Why are you saying this? My win con is to take out Hubologists, VC, and Enclave. If there are two Hubologists left, then I have to kill one of them. What am I not understanding here, or "overdoing"?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:53 pmI really think you’re overdoing it but for the love of all things holy please read your win con
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pretty sure your BOS count is messed up hereSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:30 pm So right now we have:
Jackofhearts2005 - Authur Pendragon of BoS
Long Con - Unspecified vaniila of Wastelander
Marmot - AHS-9 of Hubologists
MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of BoS
TonyStarkPrime - Unknown
Urist - Vice President Carlson of NCR
Assuming all these are true, this gives us faction sizes of:
Wastelanders - 5
NCR - 3
BoS - 3
Arroyo - 2
Redding - 1
New Reno - 2
Hubologist - 2
JJJ - 1
??? - 1
TSP I think just softclaimed Redding, or if not, he isn't paying attention. If TSP is indeed Redding, then for balance purposes I would say Marmot is definitely clear, and Jack is also probably clear? So in that world, LC is the clear vote, with a very small side of Jack.
If TSP is not redding, then whatever faction he is in I think would need to be examined. LC probably still questionable.
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Or like rather I think your BOS count iscorrect but it makes an assumption about your ??? which you also assign
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There are not two hubologists left unless someone and perhaps multiple people are lying and I really don't know who those people could be at this stageLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:09 amWhy are you saying this? My win con is to take out Hubologists, VC, and Enclave. If there are two Hubologists left, then I have to kill one of them. What am I not understanding here, or "overdoing"?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:53 pmI really think you’re overdoing it but for the love of all things holy please read your win con
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...and yet you're not voting me. What are you waiting for, permission? From who? Ok, if it's down to me, Jack, or Sean, and I already have voters, then what's the deliberation for?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:02 am Thinking poe should be LC, Jack, Poisynzie in some order. Marmot’s probably clear enough, cause I don’t think?? He CCs his own teammate but maybe I’m putting too much stock into that
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I was just about to vote sean actuallyLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:18 am...and yet you're not voting me. What are you waiting for, permission? From who? Ok, if it's down to me, Jack, or Sean, and I already have voters, then what's the deliberation for?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:02 am Thinking poe should be LC, Jack, Poisynzie in some order. Marmot’s probably clear enough, cause I don’t think?? He CCs his own teammate but maybe I’m putting too much stock into that
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Wow, you give me great confidence.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:14 amThere are not two hubologists left unless someone and perhaps multiple people are lying and I really don't know who those people could be at this stageLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:09 amWhy are you saying this? My win con is to take out Hubologists, VC, and Enclave. If there are two Hubologists left, then I have to kill one of them. What am I not understanding here, or "overdoing"?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:53 pmI really think you’re overdoing it but for the love of all things holy please read your win con
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actually that's the substance of chop's case against me too
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Somehow I believe that, that's not really how the lie response is likely to be constructed. Maybe it's Sean. I feel like the general consensus is that the Hubologists are down to one, fine, I can accept that. What are the reasons it couldn't be Seanzie?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:19 amI was just about to vote sean actuallyLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:18 am...and yet you're not voting me. What are you waiting for, permission? From who? Ok, if it's down to me, Jack, or Sean, and I already have voters, then what's the deliberation for?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:02 am Thinking poe should be LC, Jack, Poisynzie in some order. Marmot’s probably clear enough, cause I don’t think?? He CCs his own teammate but maybe I’m putting too much stock into that
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I don't recall an ounce of substance. I asked for it, as did others, but Chop never bothered to try and solidify a case against you.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:20 am actually that's the substance of chop's case against me too
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Sean has a claimed kill on KZA and for a time was the only claimed redding, but he correctly noted that I softed Redding earlier today (and Martin noted it yesterday)Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:23 amSomehow I believe that, that's not really how the lie response is likely to be constructed. Maybe it's Sean. I feel like the general consensus is that the Hubologists are down to one, fine, I can accept that. What are the reasons it couldn't be Seanzie?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:19 amI was just about to vote sean actuallyLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:18 am...and yet you're not voting me. What are you waiting for, permission? From who? Ok, if it's down to me, Jack, or Sean, and I already have voters, then what's the deliberation for?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:02 am Thinking poe should be LC, Jack, Poisynzie in some order. Marmot’s probably clear enough, cause I don’t think?? He CCs his own teammate but maybe I’m putting too much stock into that
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Chop had this big thing about how I didn't vote for him fast enough on day 2 to vote for him despite the fact that I was still pushing himLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:24 amI don't recall an ounce of substance. I asked for it, as did others, but Chop never bothered to try and solidify a case against you.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:20 am actually that's the substance of chop's case against me too
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Is it really softing time?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:26 amSean has a claimed kill on KZA and for a time was the only claimed redding, but he correctly noted that I softed Redding earlier today (and Martin noted it yesterday)Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:23 amSomehow I believe that, that's not really how the lie response is likely to be constructed. Maybe it's Sean. I feel like the general consensus is that the Hubologists are down to one, fine, I can accept that. What are the reasons it couldn't be Seanzie?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:19 amI was just about to vote sean actuallyLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:18 am...and yet you're not voting me. What are you waiting for, permission? From who? Ok, if it's down to me, Jack, or Sean, and I already have voters, then what's the deliberation for?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:02 am Thinking poe should be LC, Jack, Poisynzie in some order. Marmot’s probably clear enough, cause I don’t think?? He CCs his own teammate but maybe I’m putting too much stock into that
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and that was it :P
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im sorta playing chicken with marmot because I think I can confirm him and I think he thinks he can confirm me and I don't think I need to be confirmed and would much rather confirm marmotLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:26 amIs it really softing time?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:26 amSean has a claimed kill on KZA and for a time was the only claimed redding, but he correctly noted that I softed Redding earlier today (and Martin noted it yesterday)Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:23 amSomehow I believe that, that's not really how the lie response is likely to be constructed. Maybe it's Sean. I feel like the general consensus is that the Hubologists are down to one, fine, I can accept that. What are the reasons it couldn't be Seanzie?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:19 amI was just about to vote sean actuallyLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:18 am...and yet you're not voting me. What are you waiting for, permission? From who? Ok, if it's down to me, Jack, or Sean, and I already have voters, then what's the deliberation for?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:02 am Thinking poe should be LC, Jack, Poisynzie in some order. Marmot’s probably clear enough, cause I don’t think?? He CCs his own teammate but maybe I’m putting too much stock into that
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and maybe marmot doesn't even have a check on me and I'm vastly overthinking that
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:26 amChop had this big thing about how I didn't vote for him fast enough on day 2 to vote for him despite the fact that I was still pushing himLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:24 amI don't recall an ounce of substance. I asked for it, as did others, but Chop never bothered to try and solidify a case against you.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:20 am actually that's the substance of chop's case against me too
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I'm also thinking that there's no reason not to vote for jack but there's also no reason to vote jack either because he's just basically absent
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but that's a good reason too because being absent is basically a scumtell in this game
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The ??? is you. I am assuming Epi is the mazonizer from BoS because that really seems likely, which means there is one dead BoS and two live BoS claims.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:11 am Or like rather I think your BOS count iscorrect but it makes an assumption about your ??? which you also assign
Can you claim already? You not claiming is making it harder to figure out what is going on. Especially if you can clear yourself with your claim. I know a lot of people townread you, but I wasn't around for whatever you did to get those townreads.
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Sorry I misinterpretedSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:32 amThe ??? is you. I am assuming Epi is the mazonizer from BoS because that really seems likely, which means there is one dead BoS and two live BoS claims.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:11 am Or like rather I think your BOS count iscorrect but it makes an assumption about your ??? which you also assign
Can you claim already? You not claiming is making it harder to figure out what is going on. Especially if you can clear yourself with your claim. I know a lot of people townread you, but I wasn't around for whatever you did to get those townreads.
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I was really hoping that was a scum slip that would have made my life easier
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I'll hardclaim redding (feel like I basically did this yesterday) which should allow you to run your numbers
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Full disclosure at least part of the reason I didn't do that earlier is because I wanted the wolves/Alison to shoot poison and the fact that they didn't despite them being like arguably clear for three days is like obnoxious but also they shot (epi) epi kyle over three days and can't do much with that
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i'm just looking for easy outs to resolve a poe spot
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i stopped doing VCA and should get back to it but something else first
DrWilgy - Smiley of the Wastelanders - Killed on Night 1
Esooa - Senior Councilman McClure of Vault City - Killed on Night 1
staypositivefriend - Vikki Goldman of the Hubologists - Killed on Night 2
missing kill (mac)
Sloonei - Dogmeat of the Wastelanders - Killed on Night 3
KZA - President Tandi of the NCR - Killed on Night 3
if poison is telling the truth: missing kill (mac)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Saltbeef Bob of the NCR - Killed on Night 4 - shot by enclave
night 5 kill blocked by urist
Epignosis - ??? - Killed on Night 6 - Shot by enclave
reywaS / Kylemii - The Chosen One of Arroyo - Killed on Night 7 - Shot by Enclave
Grogu - Frank Horrigan of the Enclave. - Killed on Night 7 - Shot by Sprityo
and then a missing frank and missing alison shot, but i tend to believe the alison "i shot Mac and he didn't die" line
DrWilgy - Smiley of the Wastelanders - Killed on Night 1
Esooa - Senior Councilman McClure of Vault City - Killed on Night 1
staypositivefriend - Vikki Goldman of the Hubologists - Killed on Night 2
missing kill (mac)
Sloonei - Dogmeat of the Wastelanders - Killed on Night 3
KZA - President Tandi of the NCR - Killed on Night 3
if poison is telling the truth: missing kill (mac)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Saltbeef Bob of the NCR - Killed on Night 4 - shot by enclave
night 5 kill blocked by urist
Epignosis - ??? - Killed on Night 6 - Shot by enclave
reywaS / Kylemii - The Chosen One of Arroyo - Killed on Night 7 - Shot by Enclave
Grogu - Frank Horrigan of the Enclave. - Killed on Night 7 - Shot by Sprityo
and then a missing frank and missing alison shot, but i tend to believe the alison "i shot Mac and he didn't die" line
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missing kill goes to nanook/ or sloonei overlap night 3 and night 2 overlap or alison bp test I guess but then still a missing vig shot.
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But they didn’t vig Wilgy barring something I’m missing which means Mac shot Wilgy
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Wait no Raul, they could have
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 8]
A thought is forming in my mind
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@Jackofhearts2005 can you tell me your night actions btw?
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Jackofhearts2005 - Arthur Pendragon of BoS
Long Con - Wastelander
Marmot - AHS-9 of Hubologists
MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of BoS
TonyStarkPrime - Unknown
Urist - Vice President Carlson of NCR
Guaranteed at least 1 enclave
Possible guarantee of 1 slaver (due to Epi dying janitored)
Long Con - Wastelander
Marmot - AHS-9 of Hubologists
MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of BoS
TonyStarkPrime - Unknown
Urist - Vice President Carlson of NCR
Guaranteed at least 1 enclave
Possible guarantee of 1 slaver (due to Epi dying janitored)
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Nvm I’m dumb I read the OP wrong
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So marmot/LC need one or the other dead to win and Urist/Martin are in the same boat
Still waiting on TSP for a claim
Other than that I think we can start looking to alternatives for finding the last mafia using all the game knowledge thus far
Still waiting on TSP for a claim
Other than that I think we can start looking to alternatives for finding the last mafia using all the game knowledge thus far
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We don’t know epi’s role right? No one had any guesses to it?
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Actually yeah reading over win conditions we can do this logically first by seeing what alignment TSP is at the least. Because if there’s 1 of every faction excluding BoS then everyone wins once enclave is dead. JJJ, Slavers and VC are dead too
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I claimed alignment already. Only falcon needs me dead
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I forgot what this was
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All living town have presumably fulfilled their non-win-the-game win conditions
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@Jackofhearts2005 Who did you shoot your grenade at?
If you don't answer this, I'mma vote you.
If you don't answer this, I'mma vote you.
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Long Con.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:30 pm @Jackofhearts2005 out of curiosity did you use your grenade and who was it
Thought about targeting Grogu and I’m sure glad I didn’t lol.
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 8]
I plan on putting in some work but if like day would end now with LC going over, we should tie myself and LC (self preserve votes included) so that if both players are town, we can resolve both players. There’s literally no downside as LC will always be yeeted if he’s scum and the votes are tied.
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 8]
As in as long as Enclave goes down, all townies currently alive win anyway?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:30 am All living town have presumably fulfilled their non-win-the-game win conditions
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 8]
I definitely support this plan. This ensures that we eitherJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:58 am I plan on putting in some work but if like day would end now with LC going over, we should tie myself and LC (self preserve votes included) so that if both players are town, we can resolve both players. There’s literally no downside as LC will always be yeeted if he’s scum and the votes are tied.
1. flip a wolf,
2. flip Town!LC, and can immediately conclude that Jack is a wolf, or
3. flip Town!Jack and can immediately conclude that LC is also town.
I think my role (and perhaps TSP if they are Mayor Ascorti, but their vote manipulation cannot mess us up here) is the only one with vote manipulation left, and I promise not to use it, so this plan should be solid.
If we all agree, we should divide up into two groups of 4, and anyone going off-plan should be treated as outed scum.
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 8]
The Antioch Grenade? Yes. Please throw it at me and tie the vote.
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 8]
But can we not tie it with Jack if he's confirmed Arthur Pendragon? I guess this is probably confirming he is that role as well, right?
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 8]
Jack is not confirmed, and I think he is in most people's PoE. Unfortunately, this strategy can't really confirm him (it can give some evidence that he is probably town, but can't mech clear him), but it either confirms you or outs Jack if you are town, and is guaranteed to kill a wolf if you are wolf.
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