Game Over! Monty Python and the Holy Grail

[Mongoose]

Hey, Before we even have the ability to lynch people and we're still all friends, I want to put a idea out there. It's probably safe to assume they're more civvies out there than baddies, and day one lynches without really good leads can end up being crap shoots, with the odds not in civvie favor. I think we should go for a no lynch on day one.

Thoughts?

someone like TheLlama would probably vote for you just to prove a point.

Llama'll be too busy voting me for doing something different than some random obscure I did this one time that was totally insignificant.

[Tangrowth]

Why did you suggest that in this game but not Misfits?

Reported for illegal BTSC. Oh yeah, the mods are totally gon get ya.

How is that illegal BTSC and not a legitimate question?

Yes, the game is still ongoing, but it's referencing something from the very beginning of the game, and his alignment is unknown there. It was out of curiosity more than anything.

He's just screwing with you dude. I was joking about the length of one of the night in irc and he threated to Call MR on me

Oh, okay.

[Enrique]

Well, first off, I wasn't serious... I think you'd know if I reported your post

Still, you're asking about his behavior in an ongoing game where his alignment is still unknown. Whatever happened in the other game, alignment is a factor. Just rather we didn't get into that.

linki @ Made: what makes you think I didn't report you?

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

As in deliberately waste the poll?

Yeah pretty much. odds aren't in our favor. chances of getting a baddies first night can't be better than like 1/6.

Also linki
We could politely ask Roxy for one?

Well I guess I'm just chopped liver then.

[Enrique]

Made, you should try asking Dom.

[DFaraday]

Yay game! I will vote for wink wink, just because.

[Made]

As in deliberately waste the poll?

Yeah pretty much. odds aren't in our favor. chances of getting a baddies first night can't be better than like 1/6.

Also linki
We could politely ask Roxy for one?

Well I guess I'm just chopped liver then.

I wanted to refer to you as dispor, but i couldn't remember that name, and i didn't know how you felt about being refered to as DP :/
Ily tho!


oh, and btw, can we have a no lynch option on the poll?

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

As in deliberately waste the poll?

Yeah pretty much. odds aren't in our favor. chances of getting a baddies first night can't be better than like 1/6.

Also linki
We could politely ask Roxy for one?

Well I guess I'm just chopped liver then.

I wanted to refer to you as dispor, but i couldn't remember that name, and i didn't know how you felt about being refered to as DP :/
Ily tho!


oh, and btw, can we have a no lynch option on the poll?

DP is what I'm usually called on the forums so yeah it's cool.

Also, NEVERRRRRR

[Made]

As in deliberately waste the poll?

Yeah pretty much. odds aren't in our favor. chances of getting a baddies first night can't be better than like 1/6.

Also linki
We could politely ask Roxy for one?

Well I guess I'm just chopped liver then.

I wanted to refer to you as dispor, but i couldn't remember that name, and i didn't know how you felt about being refered to as DP :/
Ily tho!


oh, and btw, can we have a no lynch option on the poll?

DP is what I'm usually called on the forums so yeah it's cool.

Also, NEVERRRRRR

um....please?

[S~V~S]

Personally, I don't like the no lynch option. I have played a few games with it, and it just feels like a way to avoid accountability for your votes. In one of those games we lynched a civvie on Day Two instead, iirc. You waste a whole day talking, and you learn nothing from it, especially since we don't reveal NKed roles. IMO you wind up with what is effectively 2 Day Ones in a row, where people take votes for trivia, and it delays real talk of suspicions. Although the game design is a bit different here, so not sure what Rox & DP may have in mind.

The initial set up with no revealed roles seems at first a bit like K-Site, which DOES have a no lynch. BUT I think she had this game set up with no revealed roles prior to her playing at K-Site (although I could have that wrong).

[Bullzeye]

Personally, I don't like the no lynch option. I have played a few games with it, and it just feels like a way to avoid accountability for your votes. In one of those games we lynched a civvie on Day Two instead, iirc. You waste a whole day talking, and you learn nothing from it, especially since we don't reveal NKed roles. IMO you wind up with what is effectively 2 Day Ones in a row, where people take votes for trivia, and it delays real talk of suspicions. Although the game design is a bit different here, so not sure what Rox & DP may have in mind.

The initial set up with no revealed roles seems at first a bit like K-Site, which DOES have a no lynch. BUT I think she had this game set up with no revealed roles prior to her playing at K-Site (although I could have that wrong).

I agree with this. I've never played or even seen a game with a no lynch option but I don't think it'd be a good move. I also feel like you'd probably get a lot of blendy people voting no lynch as often as they could just to avoid being made accountable for anything.

[Made]

Personally, I don't like the no lynch option.

Good points. Specifically the part about making two day ones and basically building in hiding option.

I'm kinda tempted to do the math and see what's optimal and why...

[S~V~S]

What math? Do you knowvhow many baddies there are?

[Mongoose]

As in deliberately waste the poll?

Yeah pretty much. odds aren't in our favor. chances of getting a baddies first night can't be better than like 1/6.

Also linki
We could politely ask Roxy for one?

Well I guess I'm just chopped liver then.

You knew enough to watch The Hunt and Synecdoche, NY and Her et al., so you will only ever be the highest caliber meat in my book.
Well sugs, this has really clicked out to be a very strange and insightful day one. I look forward to more dialogue throughout the day.

[thellama73]

Personally, I don't like the no lynch option. I have played a few games with it, and it just feels like a way to avoid accountability for your votes. In one of those games we lynched a civvie on Day Two instead, iirc. You waste a whole day talking, and you learn nothing from it, especially since we don't reveal NKed roles. IMO you wind up with what is effectively 2 Day Ones in a row, where people take votes for trivia, and it delays real talk of suspicions. Although the game design is a bit different here, so not sure what Rox & DP may have in mind.

The initial set up with no revealed roles seems at first a bit like K-Site, which DOES have a no lynch. BUT I think she had this game set up with no revealed roles prior to her playing at K-Site (although I could have that wrong).

I agree with this. I've never played or even seen a game with a no lynch option but I don't think it'd be a good move. I also feel like you'd probably get a lot of blendy people voting no lynch as often as they could just to avoid being made accountable for anything.

Stand with SVS and Bullz. Lynching is litterally the only tool the civvies have to get rid of baddies. We'd be follish to waste it. It effectively just gives the mafia a free kill, and we get none of the good information that comes from voting records.

And yes, everyone knows me well. Even if no votes resulted in no lynch, I would vote anyway and ruin it, so you'd just be giving me unilateral authority to decide who dies.

[juliets]

The times I've seen no lynch used in a game there was another factor - it took a certain number of votes to lynch someone. So someone could not come in with one vote and lynch someone if others voted no lynch. I don't think there is any way we could do no lynch here without that additional rule. I'm not advocating no lynch, in fact I don't like it for much the same reason as SVS said. I do however want to give Made a pat on the back for suggesting something new and different.

[thellama73]

I do however want to give Made a pat on the back for suggesting something new and different.

Don't encourage him.

[Lizzy]

First! *nudge nudge*

[Dom]

I've seen several Day 1 baddie lynches this year, so I always think it could happen.

What was that game a few months ago where we got 2 or 3 baddies in a row at the beginning of the game? That was rockin'.

You mean the game where you killed everyone on my team but me in about three days?

[Marmot]

I voted nudge-nudge because I like it better than wink-wink.

I voted wink-wink because I don't want to nudge-nudge a llama.

[Mister Rearranger]

*nudges thread*

*-*

[Hedgeowl]

I've seen several Day 1 baddie lynches this year, so I always think it could happen.

What was that game a few months ago where we got 2 or 3 baddies in a row at the beginning of the game? That was rockin'.

You mean the game where you killed everyone on my team but me in about three days?

I be

Linki with Mongoose: That was The Hobbit and it was my team that got decimated.

Now that was a good start to a game!

[bea]

winky wink wink for me

[Roxy]

looks like we are waiting on Rey and Dana.
Wink and nudge them peoples!

Also if you have not completed a survey you will not be eligible for any prizes from the survey.

[thellama73]

Linki with Mongoose: That was The Hobbit and it was my team that got decimated.

Now that was a good start to a game!

And yet I still managed to lose that game! So frustrating.

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

The Day 0 challenge shall begin at 6PM EDT tomorrow. Preparest thyselves.

[bea]

Just a heads up to all players - I will be out of town from the 8-11th and I will not have internet access those days. I should be back around sometime on the 11th.

I will mention it again, but I wanted to get that out there now.

[thellama73]

Just a heads up to all players - I will be out of town from the 8-11th and I will not have internet access those days. I should be back around sometime on the 11th.

I will mention it again, but I wanted to get that out there now.

Is it okay if we lynch you while you're gone?

[Mongoose]

Linki with Mongoose: That was The Hobbit and it was my team that got decimated.

Now that was a good start to a game!

And yet I still managed to lose that game! So frustrating.

If you ask me (and obviously your comment above is tantamount to asking me), it seems like you lost credibility in that game after leading the pitchfork army to lynch innocent civs. Ahem.

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

As in deliberately waste the poll?

Yeah pretty much. odds aren't in our favor. chances of getting a baddies first night can't be better than like 1/6.

Also linki
We could politely ask Roxy for one?

Well I guess I'm just chopped liver then.

You knew enough to watch The Hunt and Synecdoche, NY and Her et al., so you will only ever be the highest caliber meat in my book.

[bea]

Just a heads up to all players - I will be out of town from the 8-11th and I will not have internet access those days. I should be back around sometime on the 11th.

I will mention it again, but I wanted to get that out there now.

Is it okay if we lynch you while you're gone?

I would prefer that you didn't tbh. It would make me very sad. You don't want a sad bea. They are sad.

[thellama73]

Linki with Mongoose: That was The Hobbit and it was my team that got decimated.

Now that was a good start to a game!

And yet I still managed to lose that game! So frustrating.

If you ask me (and obviously your comment above is tantamount to asking me), it seems like you lost credibility in that game after leading the pitchfork army to lynch innocent civs. Ahem.

Some people are leaders. Others are followers. If some people want to win by sitting back and doing nothing, they can, but that's not how I play, which means I will sometimes be wrong about people.

[Made]

What math? Do you knowvhow many baddies there are?

by math i mean "logic". Like how many baddies there would need to be and how many goodies there would need to be where a no lynch would make sense. like if a civvie killed by mafia is worth more or less than a civvie killed by them.

[Made]

I do however want to give Made a pat on the back for suggesting something new and different.

Don't encourage him.

[S~V~S]

What math? Do you knowvhow many baddies there are?

by math i mean "logic". Like how many baddies there would need to be and how many goodies there would need to be where a no lynch would make sense. like if a civvie killed by mafia is worth more or less than a civvie killed by them.

I know what you meant

But we know 1 number, "25". Anything else is speculation. Besides we don't even know if the hosts will allow it.

[Enrique]

Pretty sure they already said they won't, so there goes that

[thellama73]

What math? Do you knowvhow many baddies there are?

by math i mean "logic". Like how many baddies there would need to be and how many goodies there would need to be where a no lynch would make sense. like if a civvie killed by mafia is worth more or less than a civvie killed by them.

I know what you meant

But we know 1 number, "25". Anything else is speculation. Besides we don't even know if the hosts will allow it.

I think we know more than that one number. For example, I would be pretty confident in asserting that there are not 34 mafia members and one civilian.

[Bullzeye]

What math? Do you knowvhow many baddies there are?

by math i mean "logic". Like how many baddies there would need to be and how many goodies there would need to be where a no lynch would make sense. like if a civvie killed by mafia is worth more or less than a civvie killed by them.

I know what you meant

But we know 1 number, "25". Anything else is speculation. Besides we don't even know if the hosts will allow it.

I think we know more than that one number. For example, I would be pretty confident in asserting that there are not 34 mafia members and one civilian.

I feel pretty confident in claiming there definitely aren't 34 of anything given we only have 25 players.

[A Person]

What math? Do you knowvhow many baddies there are?

by math i mean "logic". Like how many baddies there would need to be and how many goodies there would need to be where a no lynch would make sense. like if a civvie killed by mafia is worth more or less than a civvie killed by them.

I know what you meant

But we know 1 number, "25". Anything else is speculation. Besides we don't even know if the hosts will allow it.

I think we know more than that one number. For example, I would be pretty confident in asserting that there are not 34 mafia members and one civilian.

I feel pretty confident in claiming there definitely aren't 34 of anything given we only have 25 players.

That's not very Pythonesque, is it?

[S~V~S]

The Ministry of Silly Maths

[reywaS]

microphone check 1-2 1-2

[Enrique]

*drops sick beat on rey*

[Made]

Putting this out there, if this game doesn't have a rap battle, i will be disapointed.

[juliets]

Roxy and DP: Are you going to put all polls in the polls thread or just lynch polls?

[Mister Rearranger]

Putting this out there, if this game doesn't have a rap battle, i will be disapointed.

[Dana]

Sorry friends! I propose that the link to the next thread be posted in the old one because I've been sitting here refreshing that for like two days...

[Enrique]

Wait.. new thread... what are you guys talking about??

MR love Parappa the Rapper

[Enrique]

Oh wait Dana is talking about sign ups, isn't she? But what about Juliets? Poll thread whaa-

[Dana]

Wait.. new thread... what are you guys talking about??

MR love Parappa the Rapper

This thread. I was still in the sign up thread...

[juliets]

I'm asking about the poll thread. Maybe you havent seen it Enrique. Here, the hosts post the polls in a separate thread so you dont have to worry about the poll going down before you can get a picture of it. My question about polls had nothing to do with Dana. I posted in the sign-up thread just to tell Dana to go here, and Dana i think your idea is a good one.