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[Jackofhearts2005]

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Wolfy. Bo and Kza are my top living townies. The idea of needing to yeet one of them is uuuuh.

Scotty watched three players struggle to communicate yesterday due to chaos and being told there was no advantage to it and then still making that choice is ??? and the idea he then failed us also ???

I don’t like his defense of Tim either.

This all sounds more than it actually is but still.

Do you think made is a top town at this point?

Feels different than he normally does but he’s supposedly green checked so I suppose.

Lol “supposedly” coming from your top living townie, KZA.

I’m not buying, you’re not selling. I’m going to walmart

I’m not saying I think Kza could be a wolf. I’m saying he could be faking a green on a townread.

Either way, I’m not interested in yeeting Made.

Why would he fake a green check just because he's town reading someone?

This sounds firmly defensive of KZA and, therefore, Made.

[quote=Scotty post_id=790250 time=<a href="tel:1621353915">1621353915</a> user_id=410]
[quote=falcon45ca post_id=790248 time=<a href="tel:1621353538">1621353538</a> user_id=813]
[quote=Scotty post_id=790246 time=<a href="tel:1621352400">1621352400</a> user_id=410]
Marmot has 2 posts regarding jack:
[quote=Marmot post_id=788249 time=<a href="tel:1621091145">1621091145</a> user_id=288]
[quote=Gavial post_id=788224 time=<a href="tel:1621090202">1621090202</a> user_id=878]
Falcon/DaisyCloud/Flanders/Jack/Quin


Probably not all scum the more I think of it but probably contains at least 2, so this is your best bet SK. Please don’t allow scum to clean sweep that’s garbage.

No/No/No/Idk/Yes

The lone “idk” on jack

[quote=Marmot post_id=788913 time=<a href="tel:1621183003">1621183003</a> user_id=288]
[quote=DaisyCloud post_id=788903 time=<a href="tel:1621182237">1621182237</a> user_id=757]
[quote="Long Con" post_id=788874 time=<a href="tel:1621178335">1621178335</a> user_id=271]
[quote=DaisyCloud post_id=788750 time=<a href="tel:1621142145">1621142145</a> user_id=757]
how come syn and tim are voting out Marmot. and so is qwags and Made.

and iirc several say made and qwags are real sus. but like tim and syn are real townie.

how come several people don't like Enrique and think he is mafia but not voting him. and nacho, who is voting him is supposed to be sus?

how come tim thinks the voting looks good? what about the voting looks good?
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This attitude is similar to my current view of the game. I'm happy to have a few townreads, but I haven't figured out who I think is bad yet. I feel like a lot of posts aren't that alignment-readable maybe... or maybe I skimmed through too much while tired. I think of Qwags for instance, and people loling and saying "Who is Quags?" comes to mind, or how about Mac's bunch of GIFs and votes without explanation. I think he has a whole team of suspects, from that post where he voted 5 players at once. I don't know why, I don't know if he's joking around or if he's just scum and wants to muddy the waters while relaxing in GIF-ville. I do think he could do a better job communicating and that he might not be posting in good faith.

Jack's rhymes are sick, but his obsession with Tim doesn't work for me at all. He just calls everything Tim says a lie, whoop-de-doo, but why?
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I don't like Jack's rhymes. and, yeah Mac could use more memes/pictures to convey whst he needs to say. the gifs seem more vague.

and yeah jack does more of a this is bad but not say why. and he does thst when he thinks something is good too. like it means 0 if you don't explain why or how. sorry not sorry that just your word on it isn't enough. and last I checked song lyrics can be more then just 2-3 lines. same with poems. I get it's annoying to ppst in rhyme but if he was actually town and seems like sus by many he would put in more efforts.

since we are talking about both players I think Mac has done more to convey his process in the limits he has then jack. or wait actually it's the same. and jack can actually text and stuff. that probably sounds extremely harsh.
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That's what I thought too until I actually went back and ISOd Jack. Are you seeing something different?
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So he went back and ISO’d jack. What did he find? What is his opinion on him? We’ll never know. But he did ISO jack, so there’s that.

I think they could definitely be w/w
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How are you reading Jack? I've got him as a town lean, but the interaction (or lack thereof) with Marmot you've pointed out warrants more digging. Imma ISO Jack.


I'd like to lynch Marmot, but I also want to lynch 3 players on his wagon. And then there's the question of what to do with BK

[VOTE: UNVOTE] aubergine
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I mean I opened the day voting for him. So I definitely don’t town read him.
He’s putting in just enough content to skate by. But I’m not buying his reads as genuine. He could have done more D2 even with that rhyme lime time.

You want to lynch which 3 voting for Marmot? Between me, Mac, Made and Kyle?
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I'd be ok with Made, Mac, Kyle, Marmot TBH.
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Where’s the disconnect here?
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Geezus cist, Scotty

[Jackofhearts2005]

I feel like I caught jack in a web, and falcon is also slipping into that web.

If your supatown read is KZA, you should trust that Made is also town, not backpedal like jack or flat out be fine with made’s lynch like falcon

Backpedal what?

I read Made as probably town. That’s where he is in my readlist. The whole conversation is based on me using the word “supposedly” one time about a guy we all townread and all assume lied or probably about at least one mechanical thing.

Like you and Daisy are making a way bigger thing out of my treatment of Made than it merits.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And while I do townread Falcon, it’s weird that he’s okay with yeeting Made.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I feel like I caught jack in a web, and falcon is also slipping into that web.

If your supatown read is KZA, you should trust that Made is also town, not backpedal like jack or flat out be fine with made’s lynch like falcon

I totally forgot Kaz has a green check on Made. I am smrt

Lol okay I guess

[Jackofhearts2005]

I feel like I caught jack in a web, and falcon is also slipping into that web.

If your supatown read is KZA, you should trust that Made is also town, not backpedal like jack or flat out be fine with made’s lynch like falcon

I totally forgot Kaz has a green check on Made. I am smrt

How do you forget that. You even quoted that post 12 hours ago.

It can be easy to forget who is confirmed town if you know who the town already is

Congrats, Scotty. You caught two wolves who both forgot the same green peek.

Now let’s get serious. Talk more about Marmot.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This might just be the WIFOM in front of me talking but what's stopping wolves from saying "Don't lynch Bo cause of XYZ" just so they can get their hands on this hammer

I thought of that, and realize I can be construed as doing so but I dgaf.

It’s a gamble that we let you live today, and im gambling that eliminating a mafia member in a lynch and risking the benefit of the sword in their hands is more beneficial to town than lynching you.

I could be very wrong thoufh

Popping in, no pings, interesting convo in progress.

If the choices are "chop Bo to destroy the slammer hammer" v "chop a wolf and let the wolves have the slammer hammer" I am down to take that risk...but why are you ignoring the obvious risk of "we mischop AND the wolves get the slammer hammer"? That seems an odd level of confidence that if we steer off Bo we are somehow assured that we will hit a wolf given the overall haziness of the picture and the size of the POE.

Yeh let’s just go no yeet, amiright?

Tim, your claimed artifact checker ability gets better if the wolves have an extra artifact anyhow.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think marmot is scumbly here and that makes me think that Jack is probably protecting marmot

Yet another utterly unsubstantiated assertion from Daisy about me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well, me, I’m glad we had this discussion.

I guess I’ll like ISO Marmot because of my nullreads, he’s got the most content, the most people suspecting him and has at least one post that actually pings me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Marmot’s got a lot of #weird interactions with DaisyCloud. If he doesn’t come back with a strong read on her one way or another, imma be tilted.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Marmot are you solving here or just conversing?

Mainly the latter, with a touch of the former.

Wanna talk about Made?

Sure, I have no read on Made because I haven't seen any posts from him yet. What are your thoughts?

You probably saw his posts but glazed over them. He is posting music videos.

I see that, but what do you think about it?

note to self, if you role scum, just don't post anything of substance. People will forget about you and then you win

Instructions unclear because that’s all you’ve done and it’s obvious

(lyrics relevant)

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Alright I'll fight you.


I don't think Made's ever used a gimmick like this before. But I could see him being blatant about it after rolling mafia and getting yeeted Day 1 in our last game.

Marmot push on Made for future reference. Get all mad that I don’t post a conclusion about it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

note to self, if you role scum, just don't post anything of substance. People will forget about you and then you win

Instructions unclear because that’s all you’ve done and it’s obvious

(lyrics relevant)

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Alright I'll fight you.


I don't think Made's ever used a gimmick like this before. But I could see him being blatant about it after rolling mafia and getting yeeted Day 1 in our last game.

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Once again, Syn is pinged by the posts that ping me.

I’d be unsurprised at a Daisy/Marmot/Nacho team.

[Timsup2nothin]

This might just be the WIFOM in front of me talking but what's stopping wolves from saying "Don't lynch Bo cause of XYZ" just so they can get their hands on this hammer

I thought of that, and realize I can be construed as doing so but I dgaf.

It’s a gamble that we let you live today, and im gambling that eliminating a mafia member in a lynch and risking the benefit of the sword in their hands is more beneficial to town than lynching you.

I could be very wrong thoufh

Popping in, no pings, interesting convo in progress.

If the choices are "chop Bo to destroy the slammer hammer" v "chop a wolf and let the wolves have the slammer hammer" I am down to take that risk...but why are you ignoring the obvious risk of "we mischop AND the wolves get the slammer hammer"? That seems an odd level of confidence that if we steer off Bo we are somehow assured that we will hit a wolf given the overall haziness of the picture and the size of the POE.

Yeh let’s just go no yeet, amiright?

Tim, your claimed artifact checker ability gets better if the wolves have an extra artifact anyhow.

Does it? If the woofs get an extra artifact I'm assuming it goes to the same person holding the Razor, who the scroll would already be detecting if I targeted them.

PS: I have not claimed this ability, I have claimed that I could buy this ability. I have also claimed I can buy a different ability (it is more straightforward to me and I needed no help in assessing it's value*). I have also claimed I can save my money and maybe on a future day I will be able to buy something better.


*Secret:

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I didn't so much "need help in assessing the value" as I wanted to have one clear thing to see what people said in response just in case I couldn't make time to read the whole thread.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Does it? If the woofs get an extra artifact I'm assuming it goes to the same person holding the Razor, who the scroll would already be detecting if I targeted them.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You could probably play a whole game just using reaction gifs from a google search of “Lucy face gif”

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Scotty @falcon45ca
@MacDougall

You suspect Marmot. Read Marmot’s iso and interactions with Daisy and tell me if they look like partners. (Scotty, additionally, pretend I wasn’t the one to ask you.)

@Gavial

You suspect Daisy. Read Marmot’s iso and interactions with Daisy and tell me if they look like partners.

[Timsup2nothin]

You could probably play a whole game just using reaction gifs from a google search of “Lucy face gif”

tempting

[Jackofhearts2005]

Tim, I’ve left you alone and focused on other stuff all day. Where’s your head at atm?

[Scotty]

I feel like I caught jack in a web, and falcon is also slipping into that web.

If your supatown read is KZA, you should trust that Made is also town, not backpedal like jack or flat out be fine with made’s lynch like falcon

I totally forgot Kaz has a green check on Made. I am smrt

How do you forget that. You even quoted that post 12 hours ago.

It can be easy to forget who is confirmed town if you know who the town already is

Congrats, Scotty. You caught two wolves who both forgot the same green peek.

Now let’s get serious. Talk more about Marmot.

*takes bow*
I’d like to thank the wolfywood foreign press

[Master Radishes]

Okay so I need this game to be supa easy because I don't plan to pay attention.

Jack's just town, right? Right.

Don't give me any 'what makes you say that' or anything. Just agree with me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

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I kinda think Tim isn’t a wolf with either Daisy or Marmot and that’s 3 of my 4 suspects.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Okay so I need this game to be supa easy because I don't plan to pay attention.

Jack's just town, right? Right.

Don't give me any 'what makes you say that' or anything. Just agree with me.

What makes you say that?

[Master Radishes]

Okay so I need this game to be supa easy because I don't plan to pay attention.

Jack's just town, right? Right.

Don't give me any 'what makes you say that' or anything. Just agree with me.

What makes you say that?

Because I'm tryna pocket you.

Shutup and let it happen.

[Master Radishes]

(That's twice now I've joked about being Mafia.)

(Once is town - twice is scum.)


(But this makes three so I'm back to being town.)

[Scotty]

Okay so I need this game to be supa easy because I don't plan to pay attention.

Jack's just town, right? Right.

Don't give me any 'what makes you say that' or anything. Just agree with me.

What makes you say that?

Because I'm tryna pocket you.

Shutup and let it happen.

Too many pockets. Cargo shorts are out of fashion my radish

[Scotty]

@Scotty @falcon45ca
@MacDougall

You suspect Marmot. Read Marmot’s iso and interactions with Daisy and tell me if they look like partners. (Scotty, additionally, pretend I wasn’t the one to ask you.)

@Gavial

You suspect Daisy. Read Marmot’s iso and interactions with Daisy and tell me if they look like partners.

I’ll check after the gym

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim, I’ve left you alone and focused on other stuff all day. Where’s your head at atm?

My head is genuinely stuffed full of other things. I am making pop ins when I can, but cannot say I am super up on top of this game. I think my reads list at EoD was right on the state of Qwargs, and that makes me more confident about the town reads I had at the time generally because it gives me an accurately plugged into the game state feeling.

The biggest impacts on the game today, as far as I know, is Kza having a very plausible green check on Made, and the fiasco around Bo and the slammer hammer. I have not been plugged in enough to see reactions to those things well, but if someone is gnawing down on the Kza/Made angle and/or pushing hard at "keep Bo alive for no particular reason other than to give the slammer hammer to the wolves" I will find them, and I will kill them...if I ever have time to read the thread.

[KZA]

Mafia didnt need to kill me yet since I cant use the green check shrine again until night 4

No way they couldve predicted I'd gain a random cop check

What do you make of gavial’s claim that you weren’t visited?

It's not that unbelievable

[Timsup2nothin]

Da Fuq?

Uhhhh, hi Radish.

Sup?

[KZA]

Okay so I need this game to be supa easy because I don't plan to pay attention.

Jack's just town, right? Right.

Don't give me any 'what makes you say that' or anything. Just agree with me.

Kinda leaning that way yeah

Also Radish I'm mafia

[Timsup2nothin]

Mafia didnt need to kill me yet since I cant use the green check shrine again until night 4

No way they couldve predicted I'd gain a random cop check

What do you make of gavial’s claim that you weren’t visited?

It's not that unbelievable

Having calmed down some...maybe.

[Scotty]

What if mafia had a shrine that serves as a janitor of sorts, and they DID visit KZA, found nothing, and Gav saw no one because they made it that way?

[Jackofhearts2005]

There is a MASSIVE amount of Daisy/Marmot interaction and none of it looks like them attempting to figure out each other’s alignments.

[KZA]

What if mafia had a shrine that serves as a janitor of sorts, and they DID visit KZA, found nothing, and Gav saw no one because they made it that way?

I mean yeah what if

Is there any evidence that points to this being a likely outcome though

[MacDougall]

who did radishes sub for?

[Scotty]

What if mafia had a shrine that serves as a janitor of sorts, and they DID visit KZA, found nothing, and Gav saw no one because they made it that way?

I mean yeah what if

Is there any evidence that points to this being a likely outcome though

Evidence? No, but it wouldn’t surprise me if mafia do have knowledge of some shrines, and I’m just posing that shrine may exist

[KZA]

who did radishes sub for?

MacDougall

[Scotty]

who did radishes sub for?

Quiny

[MacDougall]

who did radishes sub for?

MacDougall

sweet

[MacDougall]

has moghedien done anything?

[KZA]

Seems like a pointless risk for scum Gavial to claim he saw nobody visited me. Like what if some towny targeted me with a beneficial power? Suddenly Gavial would be caught in a lie

Gavial might just be town

[Gavial]

who did radishes sub for?

Quiny

Oh in that case I agree with KZA’s read on them.

[KZA]

Well I guess Gavial can be a mafia watcher that actually did see nobody visit me

[Moghedien]

has moghedien done anything?

Yes, I already caught two mafia members. I simply haven't deigned to tell you all who they are, yet.

[Gavial]

Daisy is voting Quin...
Hmm.

[Gavial]

Well I guess Gavial can be a mafia watcher that actually did see nobody visit me

I could be, but I’m not.

[Gavial]

has moghedien done anything?

Yes, I already caught two mafia members. I simply haven't deigned to tell you all who they are, yet.

I think your slot is scum.
Am I right?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Marmot has basically no interactions with or surrounding Flanders except to tell Macdougall “okay okay, we heard you the first time.”

[KZA]

Well I guess Gavial can be a mafia watcher that actually did see nobody visit me

I could be, but I’m not.

I dont really feel like you are

[Moghedien]

has moghedien done anything?

Yes, I already caught two mafia members. I simply haven't deigned to tell you all who they are, yet.

I think your slot is scum.
Am I right?

What's the point to asking me that? Do you think that if I were guilty, I'd just throw my hands up and say, "you caught me?"

[KZA]

Marmot and Moghedien wagons fo today??