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Tangrowth wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:02 pm Hello, I'm Tangy and this is my first mafia game.
:haha: Hi Tangy. This may be one of my final mafia games I play. I have been considering retirement. Not, to rain on the date though, I just feel as though I can't mod how I want to mod anymore, which is my main appeal to the game in the recent years.
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Sonny wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 11:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 11:31 pm I would not mind letting all the PerC’ers have the floor for a bit. What do y’all think? What do you want to know about us? Etc.
Nah, keep posting, we just need to step up some.

Would be good to know who y'all find easy/hard to read if it isn't circular.
You know, I'm not sure I have a good answer for this. I'm too rusty maybe.

I would have said LC before, but I feel like I was sort of starting to finally get him towards the end there... at some point...
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I feel like locking LC in as town.
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Sloonei wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:30 am This comment serves no real purpose, but I just wanna say that "catching up" on this game was a breeze compared to what I expected when I saw 11 pages. Lots of short posts and easy-to-follow, direct conversation. So, I guess, if you find yourself on this page right now and think you can't get caught up on things, it's not nearly as bad as it might seem. And this is coming from the strongest advocate against catching up.
Thank you for expressing this. As someone who made a lot of those posts, I agree!
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Tangrowth wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:04 pm These Percy Go people are slow, but apparently the Cindy Kate people are too.
I have this thing called work. It keeps me busy, slow, tired, frustrated etc. but what else is new?
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Long Con wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:31 am For sure... Long Con won't last very long though, because at least the Syndicate folks know me. I'm a slow starter. I don't generally get involved with all this POE/towncore creation on Day 1 that is all the rage. I just don't see it. I don't start suspecting people until... I do. I dunno.
Here's a secret. Before I came to the Syndicate I didn't use words like POE and towncore. I had a list of suspicious people, I laid them out in thread, and told them to exe through everyone in that list until they were all dead and when that happened town would win the game.

When I came to the Syndicate I didn't modify my style at all. I just did the same thing, except I called that list my POE. And then I listed down my strongest, most confident townreads, and I called it my towncore. And then people listened to me a lot more, despite me not changing anything about the way I solve at all.
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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:33 am
Tangrowth wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:02 pm Hello, I'm Tangy and this is my first mafia game.
:haha: Hi Tangy. This may be one of my final mafia games I play. I have been considering retirement. Not, to rain on the date though, I just feel as though I can't mod how I want to mod anymore, which is my main appeal to the game in the recent years.
Omg hi Owner!

That's valid, it can be good to take a break whether it ends up being however long. I certainly feel pretty refreshed from being off and on since my Champs run and my somewhat brief COVID return.
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Tangrowth wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:04 pm Please someone come play with me.
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Sloonei wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:29 am
Sonny wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:27 am Not fully caught up but so far I have 6 Percy's who haven't even posted yet =/ sad.
Do you have any loose impressions of the Percys that have posted?
Act and Guillotine (who I don't think I actually know) are looking townie to me.
Kito is in standard slank mode which is fine and meh.
Hawk didn't give much when she was here so wait and see.
Gnome is Gnome, my default is to not read/sheep others on her until there is evidence of something or I'll end up tunneling nothing.

I expect Belzy, Owner and Seanzie at the least to post enough to give reads and am sad they're not here yet.

Tbh I expected more.
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Nice to meet you, Sonny! Just realized I didn't say hi. To anyone I didn't say hi to directly, hi!
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Tangrowth wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:06 pm nutella is scum. Just getting it out of the way now.
What's their tell? You can tell me. I don't bite...much.

Owner brain: *Owner stop saying all these questionable things on your first date*

Also Owner brain: *I have a small mouth though...it really wouldn't be much*

Is Tangy town? She was the only one here and already calls someone scum without input.
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Sloonei wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:07 pm Dear god, is this game really intended to be fun? I’ll have none of that.
You aren't fun? Why not? What do you have to offer?
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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:41 am
Tangrowth wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:06 pm nutella is scum. Just getting it out of the way now.
What's their tell? You can tell me. I don't bite...much.

Owner brain: *Owner stop saying all these questionable things on your first date*

Also Owner brain: *I have a small mouth though...it really wouldn't be much*

Is Tangy town? She was the only one here and already calls someone scum without input.
It's a joke, hahaha, because nutella and I have historically tended to suspect each other on Day 1. I actually feel okay about her right now although I'm questioning it a bit. I actually feel like I don't have any strong town reads yet. I'll see what I can work out after sleeping on it.
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Tangrowth wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:39 am Nice to meet you, Sonny! Just realized I didn't say hi. To anyone I didn't say hi to directly, hi!
Hi ya!
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:41 am
Tangrowth wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:06 pm nutella is scum. Just getting it out of the way now.
What's their tell? You can tell me. I don't bite...much.

Owner brain: *Owner stop saying all these questionable things on your first date*

Also Owner brain: *I have a small mouth though...it really wouldn't be much*

Is Tangy town? She was the only one here and already calls someone scum without input.
Omg! It's been so long Owner!! Hai.
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Tangrowth wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:12 pm
Pffft, we all know I'm not a regular mafia player.
Why be regular when you can be so much more?
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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:42 am
Sloonei wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:07 pm Dear god, is this game really intended to be fun? I’ll have none of that.
You aren't fun? Why not? What do you have to offer?
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Alison wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 10:20 pm Martin is lock town never rescind.
Why?
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Sonny wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:43 am
Omg! It's been so long Owner!! Hai.
It's a Sonny!!!! I was totes excited to see that you were signed up to play. Is lomo here yet? Also, Kito too...would be great to see his thoughts
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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:41 am
Tangrowth wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:06 pm nutella is scum. Just getting it out of the way now.
What's their tell? You can tell me. I don't bite...much.

Owner brain: *Owner stop saying all these questionable things on your first date*

Also Owner brain: *I have a small mouth though...it really wouldn't be much*

Is Tangy town? She was the only one here and already calls someone scum without input.
Hi. How's wolf chat?
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Alison wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:17 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 11:48 pm I think I can point to at least one thing I liked from every Syndicate player other than this set: Long Con, MacDougall, Made.
What did you think about my take on Mac?
It was personalized to your expectations with regard to his treatment of you, and I don't really have a perspective on that specific notion. Could be.
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Sonny wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:46 am
Alison wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 10:20 pm Martin is lock town never rescind.
Why?
Alison reps a godread on Martin so just sheep it.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:48 am
Alison wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:17 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 11:48 pm I think I can point to at least one thing I liked from every Syndicate player other than this set: Long Con, MacDougall, Made.
What did you think about my take on Mac?
It was personalized to your expectations with regard to his treatment of you, and I don't really have a perspective on that specific notion. Could be.
I don't believe I haven't made a single post you've liked but if it's true that sounds like a you problem broomlord.
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I really wanna see Gavial and Guillotine engage in real time so very badly.
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Sloonei wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:34 am I feel like locking LC in as town.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:51 am
Sloonei wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:34 am I feel like locking LC in as town.
Why do you feel that feeling?
Because it never happens and it would be nice to have a game where LC is free to just do whatever.
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MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:48 am
Hi. How's wolf chat?
That's a good question. Can you ask the wolves for me? I need to take more notes. I miss QTs; they were a lot simpler. I get too distracted in Discord with all the emoji options. Plus, Idk if Cindy Kate will like my gif game. But they are still probably going to get some of it.
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MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:49 am I don't believe I haven't made a single post you've liked but if it's true that sounds like a you problem broomlord.
Your posts have read like stale self-caricature
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Have fun, everyone! :offtobed:
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MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:48 am
Sonny wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:46 am
Alison wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 10:20 pm Martin is lock town never rescind.
Why?
Alison reps a godread on Martin so just sheep it.
Err, I mean good to know, would still like to see if for myself if it's something she can articulate.
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Sloonei wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:53 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:51 am
Sloonei wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:34 am I feel like locking LC in as town.
Why do you feel that feeling?
Because it never happens and it would be nice to have a game where LC is free to just do whatever.
I had a similar thought so let's give him a 4 day potato pass.
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Sloonei wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:53 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:51 am
Sloonei wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:34 am I feel like locking LC in as town.
Why do you feel that feeling?
Because it never happens and it would be nice to have a game where LC is free to just do whatever.
Sure. I think I did that in some recent game. I don't remember if it paid off, but I respect the intent. :smile:
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:54 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:49 am I don't believe I haven't made a single post you've liked but if it's true that sounds like a you problem broomlord.
Your posts have read like stale self-caricature
When do they not?
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MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:56 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:54 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:49 am I don't believe I haven't made a single post you've liked but if it's true that sounds like a you problem broomlord.
Your posts have read like stale self-caricature
When do they not?
When I town read you
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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:47 am
Sonny wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:43 am
Omg! It's been so long Owner!! Hai.
It's a Sonny!!!! I was totes excited to see that you were signed up to play. Is lomo here yet? Also, Kito too...would be great to see his thoughts
Kito should be sleeping but has been active, he did discover the he can vote without posting so that's lol XD

So far Bunny, Belzy, LoMo, Sean and Allcrab haven't posted.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:57 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:56 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:54 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:49 am I don't believe I haven't made a single post you've liked but if it's true that sounds like a you problem broomlord.
Your posts have read like stale self-caricature
When do they not?
When I town read you
You tell me I'm stale in loads of town games. I think maybe you just hold me to too high a standard. Just because I can doesn't mean I want to play every game in the avatar-state.
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Wtf? I did not post that emoticon and am offended by it's intrusion in my post.
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MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:58 am You tell me I'm stale in loads of town games.
I don't think that's true but whatever
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:58 amI think maybe you just hold me to too high a standard. Just because I can doesn't mean I want to play every game in the avatar-state.
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Sonny wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:59 am Wtf? I did not post that emoticon and am offended by it's intrusion in my post.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:00 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:58 am You tell me I'm stale in loads of town games.
I don't think that's true but whatever
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:58 amI think maybe you just hold me to too high a standard. Just because I can doesn't mean I want to play every game in the avatar-state.
Do your thing
but that's the point I don't wanna have to pass through your dumb gates to get town read by you, I wanna shit post and tilt people
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MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:00 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:58 am You tell me I'm stale in loads of town games.
I don't think that's true but whatever
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:58 amI think maybe you just hold me to too high a standard. Just because I can doesn't mean I want to play every game in the avatar-state.
Do your thing
but that's the point I don't wanna have to pass through your dumb gates to get town read by you, I wanna shit post and tilt people
Then do that and don't whine when you're in my POE
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Sloonei wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:14 pm First date icebreaker question for everyone: what’s your favorite trip you’ve ever been on?
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine Day 1 questionnaires are sus

--
though the question seems harmless...hmmm

idk...

There are too many good trips to pick from...final answer
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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:03 am
Sloonei wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:14 pm First date icebreaker question for everyone: what’s your favorite trip you’ve ever been on?
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine Day 1 questionnaires are sus

--
though the question seems harmless...hmmm

idk...

There are too many good trips to pick from...final answer
Lol, it's a nothing question tho. I mean you do you, just seems meh.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:02 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:00 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:58 am You tell me I'm stale in loads of town games.
I don't think that's true but whatever
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:58 amI think maybe you just hold me to too high a standard. Just because I can doesn't mean I want to play every game in the avatar-state.
Do your thing
but that's the point I don't wanna have to pass through your dumb gates to get town read by you, I wanna shit post and tilt people
Then do that and don't whine when you're in my POE
can't you just be better at reading me?
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My favorite trip is a very difficult choice. The first thing that came to mind was novice spelunking in Iceland lava caves. Would do again tomorrow. :nicenod:
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MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:00 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:58 am You tell me I'm stale in loads of town games.
I don't think that's true but whatever
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:58 amI think maybe you just hold me to too high a standard. Just because I can doesn't mean I want to play every game in the avatar-state.
Do your thing
but that's the point I don't wanna have to pass through your dumb gates to get town read by you, I wanna shit post and tilt people
One that wants to shit post and tilt people is incompatible with one that cares what others think about said shit posting and tilting.
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Sloonei wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 4:14 pm First date icebreaker question for everyone: what’s your favorite trip you’ve ever been on?
Oh and cause it's been re-raised.

Just a FYI.

I have a memory condition. I'm not sensitive about it in the least, it's just a factual thing: Severely Deficient Autobiographical Memory (SDAM). I can hardly tell you about my previous games let alone someone else's so while I know most of the Percy players, I do not rely on meta as a core way to read anyone, that just gives a background on some base expectations.

So my favourite trip? Don't remember. :shrug:
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Alison wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:36 am
Long Con wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:31 am For sure... Long Con won't last very long though, because at least the Syndicate folks know me. I'm a slow starter. I don't generally get involved with all this POE/towncore creation on Day 1 that is all the rage. I just don't see it. I don't start suspecting people until... I do. I dunno.
Here's a secret. Before I came to the Syndicate I didn't use words like POE and towncore. I had a list of suspicious people, I laid them out in thread, and told them to exe through everyone in that list until they were all dead and when that happened town would win the game.

When I came to the Syndicate I didn't modify my style at all. I just did the same thing, except I called that list my POE. And then I listed down my strongest, most confident townreads, and I called it my towncore. And then people listened to me a lot more, despite me not changing anything about the way I solve at all.
Ah, but, you see, that was already your style. I can't really play that way unless I'm being false. For the first day, at least, I mostly see things people say as possibly coming from either alignment. I don't see the benefit to the game of me trying some random stabs in the dark about calling people out as scum, especially when historically it has been more likely to bite me in the ass when I'm wrong.
MacDougall wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:56 am
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Sloonei wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 12:34 am I feel like locking LC in as town.
Why do you feel that feeling?
Because it never happens and it would be nice to have a game where LC is free to just do whatever.
I had a similar thought so let's give him a 4 day potato pass.
That's very cool of you guys, you are good friends. The irony is that I think I tend to get more involved when I'm suspected. But I still don't want to be suspected, and get nice brain chemicals when people say they Town read me.

How about, just don't suspect me for playing my usual way, I'm a slow, considered starter and I won't throw out town or wolf reads that I don't believe in, just to satisfy other players.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:02 am Hi @Owner of a Lonely Heart! Are you mafia
On one hand, I don't have truth meta anymore. On the other hand, I feel this is a cheap sentiment coming from the player I expect you to be. I much rather players learn to read my words than asking for a basic yes or no answer.
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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:10 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:02 am Hi @Owner of a Lonely Heart! Are you mafia
On one hand, I don't have truth meta anymore. On the other hand, I feel this is a cheap sentiment coming from the player I expect you to be. I much rather players learn to read my words than asking for a basic yes or no answer.
I didn't even realize you had a "truth meta". I just didn't know how else to start a conversation. :goofp:
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