The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Jackofhearts2005]

y is tsp and tim trying to get credit for falcon lynch

TSP is bragging because he’s town and he got a wolf yeeted.

Tim is...joking? Trying to fool us?

[Timsup2nothin]

Double vote power on a wolf

See? I told you there was a lot of vote fuckery in play.

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This is probably a good time to admit I made up the Bug Musk thing out of whole cloth though...nothing I can buy has any day effects at all

Insert obligatory TMI here

I'm just really good at figuring stuff out.

[Timsup2nothin]

y is tsp and tim trying to get credit for falcon lynch

TSP is bragging because he’s town and he got a wolf yeeted.

Tim is...joking? Trying to fool us?

Padding my stats.

[Jackofhearts2005]

y is tsp and tim trying to get credit for falcon lynch

TSP is bragging because he’s town and he got a wolf yeeted.

Tim is...joking? Trying to fool us?

Padding my stats.

Lol

[Marmot]

@Kylemii Marmot says he didn’t protect kza

but what did he mean when he said he could and/or couldn't protect kza

idk.

but u see why I'm all weird on Marmot, tim and gavial

mostly Marmot and gavial.

Can you explain what you're getting at here?

Early in the game, I did joke that I was going to shield KZA all game, but that was a joke from the signup thread, and also previous games where KZA would continually be shot by vigs.

I have not at any point protected him.

@DaisyCloud please respond to this.

[Timsup2nothin]

Speaking of pelts, I gotta review overnight but I suspect I start tomorrow with a "Radish or bust" bumper sticker pasted on my butt.

[Timsup2nothin]

There is gonna be good spew from the early Falcon wagon though...day...one? Two? Interesting to see how that died out.

[Nachomamma8]

Excellent. I'm sorry that I wasn't around more today to push it but hopefully we will be able to snag some more baddies tomorrow.

[Scotty]

tsp is solely responsible for getting falcon chopped and I might have just earned myself my first nightkill in the history of tsp playing mafia

Nah bro nice try. You’re more of a one trick pony in that regard. You knew falcon’s tell, you are the king of reading falcon.

I’m fairly certain I’m getting the chop finally, and as long as you and Vulgard and jack hold down the fort we should be ok

[Scotty]

OR maybe they’ll keep me alive because I can’t read for shit

[Timsup2nothin]

OR maybe they’ll keep me alive because I can’t read for shit

Well, Made is greenchecked so unless they get multiple kills you are gonna survive probably. But tomorrow I will deny saying that and mercilessly tinfoil about why you haven't been NKed.

[Timsup2nothin]

I need more money...what shrine can we all meet at? Snowglobes for everyone!!!

[DaisyCloud]

@Kylemii Marmot says he didn’t protect kza

but what did he mean when he said he could and/or couldn't protect kza

idk.

but u see why I'm all weird on Marmot, tim and gavial

mostly Marmot and gavial.

Can you explain what you're getting at here?

Early in the game, I did joke that I was going to shield KZA all game, but that was a joke from the signup thread, and also previous games where KZA would continually be shot by vigs.

I have not at any point protected him.

@DaisyCloud please respond to this.

I was town reading you for this. I didn't know it was a jk.

it wasn't just this but a part of it

[Timsup2nothin]

If I have a big night then tomorrow when you are all trying to kill me I will be able to claim that I can buy a vig shot and let you all leash it.

[DaisyCloud]

if I had vig shot whi should I shoot and why

[DaisyCloud]

who*

[Timsup2nothin]

if I had vig shot whi should I shoot and why

Empoof, for the memes.

[DaisyCloud]

if I had vig shot whi should I shoot and why

Empoof, for the memes.

I remember him


but like I wasn't being facisous

[DaisyCloud]

facetious*

[Timsup2nothin]

More seriously, Lost Monkey or Gavial, because they are unlikely to be resolved without flipping but the town will get very little info from pushing them through the chopping process.

[Timsup2nothin]

Or me of course. Shooting me will be a popular idea until I actually flip...then everyone will just say "well he had it coming, bad town, yadda yadda yadda."

[DaisyCloud]

More seriously, Lost Monkey or Gavial, because they are unlikely to be resolved without flipping but the town will get very little info from pushing them through the chopping process.

that makes sense.

but im not supposed to trust you

[Timsup2nothin]

More seriously, Lost Monkey or Gavial, because they are unlikely to be resolved without flipping but the town will get very little info from pushing them through the chopping process.

that makes sense.

but im not supposed to trust you

No one ever is.

But you should remember that I did say you needed to get on one of the three wagons, and that was good advice.

[DaisyCloud]

Or me of course. Shooting me will be a popular idea until I actually flip...then everyone will just say "well he had it coming, bad town, yadda yadda yadda."

I never seen your scum game. if this is you scum then I can see why people doubt you so much and scum read you do much.

iirc I said like way back in day 1 this first game in a long time I couldn't figure you out. :/

[DaisyCloud]

More seriously, Lost Monkey or Gavial, because they are unlikely to be resolved without flipping but the town will get very little info from pushing them through the chopping process.

that makes sense.

but im not supposed to trust you

No one ever is.

But you should remember that I did say you needed to get on one of the three wagons, and that was good advice.

I was never gonna just leave my vote on a wagon that will never happen. I think I could have been able to do it but today was a mess.

[DaisyCloud]

do it, as in get him lynched.

[Timsup2nothin]

Or me of course. Shooting me will be a popular idea until I actually flip...then everyone will just say "well he had it coming, bad town, yadda yadda yadda."

I never seen your scum game. if this is you scum then I can see why people doubt you so much and scum read you do much.

iirc I said like way back in day 1 this first game in a long time I couldn't figure you out. :/

I have had a couple of really legendary wolf games, but not really because I was a good wolf...I just was...memorably flamboyant.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The thread will remain locked for the remainder of Night 4. Actions are due to both hosts by 6:00 PM EDT in ~21.6 hours

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Night 4



Made has been killed. He was the Ashland Trader and Azura's Champion. The artifact Azura's Star has been destroyed.

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Ashland Trader
Race: Dunmer
Alignment: Town
Available Shrines: Azura
Azura’s Champion. You must access Azura’s Shrine every Night. As long as you remain alive, the thread will remain open for the first hour of every Night phase (“Dusk” phase). If you die, the thread will become locked for the entirety of every Night phase afterward.
You wield the Artifact Azura’s Star.
The wielder of Azura’s Star selects a dead player every Night. That dead player can cast a vote in the poll the following Day. The dead player may not post in the thread, but is not subject to any unique voting restrictions. A player may not be targeted more than once by Azura’s Star.
The Artifact will remain in your possession as long you remain alive.
If you are nightkilled by Mehrunes’ Razor, the Artifact will be passed into the possession of the Mafia team.
If you die under any other circumstances, the Artifact will be destroyed except under certain circumstances under which it will pass into the possession of a Civilian, unbeknownst to you.

Nachomamma8 has been killed. He was the Imperial Guard.

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Imperial Guard
Race: Imperial
Alignment: Town
Available Shrines: Azura, Boethiah, Clavicus Vile, Sanguine, Sheogorath
Azura - If a player accessing Azura’s Shrine is targeted by a nightkill on a Night when you are also at Azura’s Shrine, you will die in their place. The player responsible for killing you will begin the subsequent Day with +1 vote against them in the poll. Ineffective against unblockable kill modifiers.
Boethiah - You may roleblock a player of your choice.
Clavicus Vile - You may target a player. If that player is Mafia and in possession of an Artifact other than Mehrunes’ Razor, the Artifact will be destroyed. You will not be told whether or not this shot is successful.
Sanguine - You may protect a player of your choice. Ineffective against unblockable kill modifiers.
Sheogorath - Chaos.
You may not visit the same shrine twice during any 3-night span. For example, if you visit Sheogorath’s Shrine on Night 1, you may not access it again until Night 4.

Day 5 begins. You have 48 hours to vote for somebody.

[Timsup2nothin]

That was not the ideal vig shot at all. Maybe there really is a serial killer. But N4 we were due for a vig shot so still probably not.

@Gavial who did you track and where did they go...and if you say you tracked Made I will slaughter you today, just so you know.

[Vulgard]

Jack had the towniest EoD in my book. I don't need to argue why. Go read it yourselves if you don't trust my word.

Some part of me wants to say Tim bussed to keep himself alive. That said, I'll go study Falcon's ISO given that he flipped mafia.

I expect people to wolfread me for pushing Tim over Falcon when Falcon was the wolf PR. I'm not going to blame them for it, but I am town.

I want to kill Long Con today. Tim, is your townshield on LC still there? Why/Why not?

[Vulgard]

For clarity. I am pretty confident the following people are town.

MR
TSP
Scotty

Kyle and Daisy should be here, but they are in strange spots. For Kyle, he looks good by association with at least one flipped wolf. I've also liked some of his posts. I'm simply not confident enough to lock him in.

DaisyCloud is in a similar boat. Her posts have looked wolfy to me on an individual level, but her rebuttal of my case looked villagery as heck.

I would like someone to link me one of Daisy's towngames. I need to verify something when I have the time.

[Vulgard]

If I were forced to call a PoE right now, I'd say the wolves are between Marmot/Tim/LC. Hence my question to Tim about his townshield on LC. I'm still confident enough lost monkey is town. Reasons outlined before.

I will point out that Gavial has been trending down and I will no longer shield him for the time being. The shield may be restored depending on what he says today.

[Vulgard]

Marmot is a case of "other people are villagerier." I've defended him before, but that was when we had a different composition of living players. New information, new reads.

[Timsup2nothin]

Jack had the towniest EoD in my book. I don't need to argue why. Go read it yourselves if you don't trust my word.

Some part of me wants to say Tim bussed to keep himself alive. That said, I'll go study Falcon's ISO given that he flipped mafia.

I expect people to wolfread me for pushing Tim over Falcon when Falcon was the wolf PR. I'm not going to blame them for it, but I am town.

I want to kill Long Con today. Tim, is your townshield on LC still there? Why/Why not?

Yeah, because I want to murder Radishes. As to "Tim bussed to keep himself alive"...so I bussed...Marmot?

I agree, Jack is just flat town...or at least not wolf...but I really never doubted that.

I think you are town for starting the Falcon wagon even if you didn't stay on it.

[Vulgard]

One thing concerns me. It's a 24er, so I expect six or seven nontown. We have two flipped nontown and 12 people alive, if my math isn't terrible.

In that case, we have four or five nontown alive with seven or eight town alive. My PoE is too small for this. Which is why I'm moving people out of my clear zone. People like Gavial and Marmot.

I don't know what to do with Tim at this point, plain and simple.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

[Timsup2nothin]

For clarity. I am pretty confident the following people are town.

MR
TSP
Scotty

Kyle and Daisy should be here, but they are in strange spots. For Kyle, he looks good by association with at least one flipped wolf. I've also liked some of his posts. I'm simply not confident enough to lock him in.

DaisyCloud is in a similar boat. Her posts have looked wolfy to me on an individual level, but her rebuttal of my case looked villagery as heck.

I would like someone to link me one of Daisy's towngames. I need to verify something when I have the time.

What has Radishes done that is remotely town? He gave a "yeah wolf" read on Falcon after you already had, then voted for me. You may be operating in the world of me being some obvious wolf that merits being voted over a stated wolf read, but if so show me the case that convinced Radishes. His "Tim is serious, must be a wolf" doesn't ring even remotely true when bounced against his multi-quote case on Falcon that he immediately put on "read this just in case Falcon gets flipped but otherwise ignore it."

[Vulgard]

My priorities for today are to:

- resolve DaisyCloud. I don't want to rely on one post to clear her.
- verify Gavial.
- discuss.

Kylemii and Marmot exist in that strange limbo where I townread some of their play. Sometimes across many days. But when I compare that to people like Scotty, Jack and MR, they don't hold up.

And yes, I do trust Radishes at this point, still. I'm keeping it in mind that he didn't contribute that much yesterday. He wanted to kill Tim, but unless Tim's a wolf, I can't give him credit for it - even though I pushed Tim too.

[Timsup2nothin]

One thing concerns me. It's a 24er, so I expect six or seven nontown. We have two flipped nontown and 12 people alive, if my math isn't terrible.

In that case, we have four or five nontown alive with seven or eight town alive. My PoE is too small for this. Which is why I'm moving people out of my clear zone. People like Gavial and Marmot.

I don't know what to do with Tim at this point, plain and simple.

the five wolves, one 3P is in the opening posts

[Vulgard]

I think we had a similar thought but focused on different aspects.

[Scotty]

So that result was not ideal- goodbye Twilight (hellooo Robert Pattinson)
BUT another artifact not in mafia hands, so there’s that.

What is that left, just the 3P artifact?

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

Sure...why did you follow onto Marmot instead of staying on me? How does Falcon flipping wolf put you back onto me instead of Marmot?

[Vulgard]

In that case, today might be MyLo if there's 3 KP tonight and all hit town. I'd like to avoid that.

I'm more interested in your thoughts about Kyle and Marmot than your thoughts about MR at the moment.

One thing that looks super good for MR is the way Falcon posted about him. MR pointed out how Falcon was quick to townread MR for things that didn't merit a townread. In other words, TMIng MR.

That's a large point in his favor considering Falcon is a wolf PR and MR didn't need to say that. You could argue MR did this for distancing purposes, but I doubt he needed to. Especially in a world where Tim is town, he could push Tim instead. Or in a world where Marmot's town, push Marmot. Or either of them, if they are both town. I hope you follow my thought process.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

Sure...why did you follow onto Marmot instead of staying on me? How does Falcon flipping wolf put you back onto me instead of Marmot?

Because Made asked nicely

I’m still not wholly convinced we need to rehash the Marmot debacle. Had a lot of thinky thoughts last night and I’m not sure marmot is it. To be frank, I also thought nacho was probably bad, but the vig or whoever made that idea go out the window

[Timsup2nothin]

My priorities for today are to:

- resolve DaisyCloud. I don't want to rely on one post to clear her.
- verify Gavial.
- discuss.

Kylemii and Marmot exist in that strange limbo where I townread some of their play. Sometimes across many days. But when I compare that to people like Scotty, Jack and MR, they don't hold up.

And yes, I do trust Radishes at this point, still. I'm keeping it in mind that he didn't contribute that much yesterday. He wanted to kill Tim, but unless Tim's a wolf, I can't give him credit for it - even though I pushed Tim too.

Daisy is probably just town. Most everything said in any wolf case on her has been really just Daisy indicative, and her vote on Falcon yesterday does not scream "bus" as much as it just says town. The way you see Jack's EoD as towniest and hers as anything other than towniest (b) I think has to be biasing on your part, which is fine.

[Vulgard]

Can you link a Daisy towngame? There's one aspect of her play I'd like to verify (whether she does it as town, too).

[Scotty]

Tim doesn’t look remotely town from the falcon train btw. I didn’t like how he attempted to take credit from some seed planted, but didn’t end up voting there.

[Vulgard]

Tim, where are the four nontown?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack had the towniest EoD in my book. I don't need to argue why. Go read it yourselves if you don't trust my word.

Some part of me wants to say Tim bussed to keep himself alive. That said, I'll go study Falcon's ISO given that he flipped mafia.

I expect people to wolfread me for pushing Tim over Falcon when Falcon was the wolf PR. I'm not going to blame them for it, but I am town.

I want to kill Long Con today. Tim, is your townshield on LC still there? Why/Why not?

Once again, you have to actually bus your partner to get credit for bussing.

Tim voted Marmot and didn’t move from him when Falcon had less votes.