What's your read on Alison herself?Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:17 pmwhat points do you have in favor of Mac or Guilo or Allcrab or Lomo that makes them mutually incompatible? Is it Jay's analysis. The issue is if there's 2 scum left it's either those or you're getting got sis.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:13 pm Let's just vote Made to be honest.
Like what even is the mafia team if Made is town? Is it Mac + Guillo? Is it [Mac/Guillo] + Allcrab who ripped off LoMo's watcher result and TMI'd bunny and has been skating by ever since? It is one of those + Martin who has fooled me?
I am not inspired by any of these possibilities. A mafia team with Made in it makes the most sense regardless of anyone else's alignment.
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Did I say that? That sounds more like something Guillo would say.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:18 pmI remember that I said something like, I think Made is a save, and Mac came in and said I agree.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:17 pm Made is the most likely to be eliminated today, so it's not something I am inclined to talk about much on its own yet. I'm looking for relationships and other suspects tangential to him.
I don't remember many other interactions they've had but the one I remember seems teammate compatible. I trust you'll do your due diligence on all their interactions anyway.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Yes I love to make pro Mac night kills because they're always wifom to read into.Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:18 pmMy partner's last night legacy was that you are town along with Alison and J, i disagreed on you being town, but now im not sure.
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I think you find it heavily implied in my first post of this day phase. Even before that, at EoD4 yesterday I ascribed myself to agreeing with most of JJJ's post.Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:10 pmweird/sus, same thing, but avoiding hard stances is pro scum. What is your read on Gulio right now?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:05 pmA few things:Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:47 pmthis is a weird take from Martin. I feel like if he's scum, being wishy washing, and then going on at length as to the flavor of the wishwash is the best way to add volume without substances on a slot that might need a mislynch later. Ironically, it's overly careful. I also don't think I would ever compare Gav's game to Gulio's game generally. they're just not similar like that.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:09 pmI'm not sure if I can elaborate effectively. I'm just pulling this straight from my head.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:05 pmCan you elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're saying here.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:03 pmHonestly removing "impulsive" from the equation and you can't really see much. I mean, to read him without impulsiveness in mind is kinda like not trying to read him at all fmpov.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 pm
I agree he has that comfortable-in-thread impulsiveness that is usually associated with town, but idk if you've ever been town when Guillo's been wolf, but he can fake that. He has compared himself to Gavial a few times, and I think that is actually a good comparison, they both are very good at bringing that impulsive posting style into their wolf games.
I'm not fully convinced he is a wolf, but I think the reasons he is being townread by most are exactly what you described, and having been on the losing side of wolf!Guillo multiple times, I don't think it is as AI as many people do. Take away his impulsive posting style, and what do you get?
The only evaluation at that point is the expectation that he has been hunting in reasonable faith. And whether he has been negatively affected during the night. I can't really think of anything else.
I mean. It's his style. I don't know how people read things without considering style, and whether doing so would be accurate.
If he's town I would have to take in that they're impulsive. If they're wolf I would have to take in fake impulsivity. In determining either I would have to consider the impulsivity and how that might influence a !town him unless I'm assuming he's a wolf.
--I think it's inherently going to look "weird" because of this.
--Wishy Washy? What in the world does that even mean in Forum Mafia?
--This isn't directly a take on Gulio. This is a take on what Seanzie asked me in regards to *how* one should read Gulio (shown in red glow); in no way is this going to lead directly to a deletion. I was arguing that he was suggesting to me to ignore Gulio's impulsiveness, and that is problematic because both wolf and town Gulio would use that and thus it would have to be considered even if it were NAI.
--What am I being very careful or overly careful about? What should I be concerned about that's supposedly making me careful here?
Besides, I believe many (but not all) other people didn't take a hard stance of "Oh, Gulio's town" or "Oh, Gulio's Poisoner". Most just expressed a viability that he could be non-town.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 4]
Nice word soup.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:20 pmI think you find it heavily implied in my first post of this day phase. Even before that, at EoD4 yesterday I ascribed myself to agreeing with most of JJJ's post.Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:10 pmweird/sus, same thing, but avoiding hard stances is pro scum. What is your read on Gulio right now?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:05 pmA few things:Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:47 pmthis is a weird take from Martin. I feel like if he's scum, being wishy washing, and then going on at length as to the flavor of the wishwash is the best way to add volume without substances on a slot that might need a mislynch later. Ironically, it's overly careful. I also don't think I would ever compare Gav's game to Gulio's game generally. they're just not similar like that.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:09 pmI'm not sure if I can elaborate effectively. I'm just pulling this straight from my head.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:05 pmCan you elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're saying here.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:03 pm
Honestly removing "impulsive" from the equation and you can't really see much. I mean, to read him without impulsiveness in mind is kinda like not trying to read him at all fmpov.
The only evaluation at that point is the expectation that he has been hunting in reasonable faith. And whether he has been negatively affected during the night. I can't really think of anything else.
I mean. It's his style. I don't know how people read things without considering style, and whether doing so would be accurate.
If he's town I would have to take in that they're impulsive. If they're wolf I would have to take in fake impulsivity. In determining either I would have to consider the impulsivity and how that might influence a !town him unless I'm assuming he's a wolf.
--I think it's inherently going to look "weird" because of this.
--Wishy Washy? What in the world does that even mean in Forum Mafia?
--This isn't directly a take on Gulio. This is a take on what Seanzie asked me in regards to *how* one should read Gulio (shown in red glow); in no way is this going to lead directly to a deletion. I was arguing that he was suggesting to me to ignore Gulio's impulsiveness, and that is problematic because both wolf and town Gulio would use that and thus it would have to be considered even if it were NAI.
--What am I being very careful or overly careful about? What should I be concerned about that's supposedly making me careful here?
Besides, I believe many (but not all) other people didn't take a hard stance of "Oh, Gulio's town" or "Oh, Gulio's Poisoner". Most just expressed a viability that he could be non-town.
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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:36 pmare you saying that the mafia saved made by pushing both nutella and owner?
that would probably require a lot of mafia lol
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:44 pmoh that makes more sense
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Town on tone, she's dunking on me in wreckless way i don't think i've ever seen her do as scum, but i have seen her do it townJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:18 pmWhat's your read on Alison herself?Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:17 pmwhat points do you have in favor of Mac or Guilo or Allcrab or Lomo that makes them mutually incompatible? Is it Jay's analysis. The issue is if there's 2 scum left it's either those or you're getting got sis.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:13 pm Let's just vote Made to be honest.
Like what even is the mafia team if Made is town? Is it Mac + Guillo? Is it [Mac/Guillo] + Allcrab who ripped off LoMo's watcher result and TMI'd bunny and has been skating by ever since? It is one of those + Martin who has fooled me?
I am not inspired by any of these possibilities. A mafia team with Made in it makes the most sense regardless of anyone else's alignment.
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I know your result on Jay and you whiffed on Mac, what was the result on Tang and me?
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That sure is a townie series of thoughts I had back there. Good job finding that for me.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:21 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:36 pmare you saying that the mafia saved made by pushing both nutella and owner?
that would probably require a lot of mafia lolMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:44 pmoh that makes more sense
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Just a baseline of reads as I work through my own brainspace:
Alison - Played a key role in all three mafia deaths. A bussing case against her requires a great deal of presupposition. Not impossible; not likely. Claim not alignment-indicative.
Allcrab - Played a key role in Owner death and was a part of the democratic coalition to shoot orangecrush. Not impossible; fringe POE. Claim not alignment-indicative.
Garden Gnome - Is my dearest and will pass on anyway.
Guillotine - Gratuitous agent of chaos. Could be mafia on behavior. Claim is town-indicative if/when corroborated. I have theories.
lost monkey - Watch portion of JOAT claim seems legitimate. Was a nutella punching bag. Seems okay on behavior. Claim not entirely alignment-indicative.
MacDougall - Played a central role in eliminating nutella. Could be mafia on behavior. Other mafia relations questionable. No claim.
Made - Not much to say at all. No claim.
MartinGG99 - Was decently involved in the anti-orangecrush initiative. Seems okay on behavior. Claim not alignment-indicative.
Nanook - Was decently involved in getting nutella eliminated. Didn't seem interested in preventing Owner's demise. Was more actively a defender of orangecrush. Could be mafia on behavior. No claim.
Sloonei - Shot orangecrush in the bum. No.
TangyStarkPrime - Was shot in the bum by Belzy. Nope.
Alison - Played a key role in all three mafia deaths. A bussing case against her requires a great deal of presupposition. Not impossible; not likely. Claim not alignment-indicative.
Allcrab - Played a key role in Owner death and was a part of the democratic coalition to shoot orangecrush. Not impossible; fringe POE. Claim not alignment-indicative.
Garden Gnome - Is my dearest and will pass on anyway.
Guillotine - Gratuitous agent of chaos. Could be mafia on behavior. Claim is town-indicative if/when corroborated. I have theories.
lost monkey - Watch portion of JOAT claim seems legitimate. Was a nutella punching bag. Seems okay on behavior. Claim not entirely alignment-indicative.
MacDougall - Played a central role in eliminating nutella. Could be mafia on behavior. Other mafia relations questionable. No claim.
Made - Not much to say at all. No claim.
MartinGG99 - Was decently involved in the anti-orangecrush initiative. Seems okay on behavior. Claim not alignment-indicative.
Nanook - Was decently involved in getting nutella eliminated. Didn't seem interested in preventing Owner's demise. Was more actively a defender of orangecrush. Could be mafia on behavior. No claim.
Sloonei - Shot orangecrush in the bum. No.
TangyStarkPrime - Was shot in the bum by Belzy. Nope.
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Is shooting orangecrush actually clearing given they were floundering. I've seen stranger mafia decisions. Maybe Sloonei is just some mafia counter balance to belzy.
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jay and gnome are pseudo-masons. Guillotine claims to be one half of a separate mason pairing. Does this make sense?
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Guillo has claimed those 4 names are not his mason buddy.
If they aren't, then the only person left who can be his mason buddy is nanook. Nanook's ISO is strongly, strongly suggestive that he is masons with guillo - go look at it yourself, search guillo in his iso and see how obvious it is.
I don't think nook is mafia so I don't think they're mafia buddies faking masons with each other. It feels legit.
If they aren't, then the only person left who can be his mason buddy is nanook. Nanook's ISO is strongly, strongly suggestive that he is masons with guillo - go look at it yourself, search guillo in his iso and see how obvious it is.
I don't think nook is mafia so I don't think they're mafia buddies faking masons with each other. It feels legit.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
“The best way to lie in a game of lies is telling the truth”.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:19 pmYes I love to make pro Mac night kills because they're always wifom to read into.Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:18 pmMy partner's last night legacy was that you are town along with Alison and J, i disagreed on you being town, but now im not sure.
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then who the fuck is the poisoner if it's not nanook lolAlison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pm Guillo has claimed those 4 names are not his mason buddy.
If they aren't, then the only person left who can be his mason buddy is nanook. Nanook's ISO is strongly, strongly suggestive that he is masons with guillo - go look at it yourself, search guillo in his iso and see how obvious it is.
I don't think nook is mafia so I don't think they're mafia buddies faking masons with each other. It feels legit.
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I believe I have just learned something about Guillotine and will not be sharing what it is yet, but I'm less interested in chopping him than I was before I learned it. WOOO OMINOUS
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I was blocked trying to pick up Belzy's role on Night 2 and lost monkey has now corroborated this by claiming to have blocked me that night.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:24 pm Is shooting orangecrush actually clearing given they were floundering. I've seen stranger mafia decisions. Maybe Sloonei is just some mafia counter balance to belzy.
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Well nevermind Alison just said it.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Who is the mafia team if you're town?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pmthen who the fuck is the poisoner if it's not nanook lolAlison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pm Guillo has claimed those 4 names are not his mason buddy.
If they aren't, then the only person left who can be his mason buddy is nanook. Nanook's ISO is strongly, strongly suggestive that he is masons with guillo - go look at it yourself, search guillo in his iso and see how obvious it is.
I don't think nook is mafia so I don't think they're mafia buddies faking masons with each other. It feels legit.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
You would have rather me lied? I would answer you this way regardless of my alignment. You should probably consider modifying your play this way because you fixate on non alignment indicative things a lot and it's definitely a weakness in an otherwise pretty strong game you're developing.Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pm“The best way to lie in a game of lies is telling the truth”.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:19 pmYes I love to make pro Mac night kills because they're always wifom to read into.Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:18 pmMy partner's last night legacy was that you are town along with Alison and J, i disagreed on you being town, but now im not sure.
Mac, level with me. Would scum!you kill Seanzie right after he sus you?
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
You ever learn anything about how your 1-shot was refunded to you, if that's what happened?Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:29 pmI was blocked trying to pick up Belzy's role on Night 2 and lost monkey has now corroborated this by claiming to have blocked me that night.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:24 pm Is shooting orangecrush actually clearing given they were floundering. I've seen stranger mafia decisions. Maybe Sloonei is just some mafia counter balance to belzy.
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What's the relation between Martin and Alison?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:34 am Eh that's probably a bad read, nvm
Martin still not mafia unless Alison is too tho
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That is ridiculous. Masons are guaranteed to be town.
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Alison is hard townreading himMade wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:31 pmWhat's the relation between Martin and Alison?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:34 am Eh that's probably a bad read, nvm
Martin still not mafia unless Alison is too tho
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I have no confirmation that you are a mason beyond you saying it. I didn't mean you were literally mafia masons either just that you could have made this claim preemptively to survive. I would not be shocked in the slightest and have seen it before. It's also definitely in Nanook's playbook.Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:31 pmThat is ridiculous. Masons are guaranteed to be town.
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Any takes on Martin outside of Alison?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:32 pmAlison is hard townreading himMade wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:31 pmWhat's the relation between Martin and Alison?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:34 am Eh that's probably a bad read, nvm
Martin still not mafia unless Alison is too tho
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Yes, ironically from a POE perspective, Alison/Martin would be one of the few plausible pairs remaining that I can think of off-hand in a world where Mac and/or Made is town.
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Refresh me on how nanook has good interactions with nutella beyond bussing her.
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Yeah I'm masons with guillo
Hes mostly been a dick and then told me some bs about us not being compatible cause I didn't want to rip on tangy's effort level, its been real fun
Hes mostly been a dick and then told me some bs about us not being compatible cause I didn't want to rip on tangy's effort level, its been real fun
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
[Made, Mac]; [Nanook, Guillotine]; [Alison, Martin] -- they technically work without needing overlap. I will have to verify the first set more closely.
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Not particularlyMade wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:34 pmAny takes on Martin outside of Alison?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:32 pmAlison is hard townreading himMade wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:31 pmWhat's the relation between Martin and Alison?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:34 am Eh that's probably a bad read, nvm
Martin still not mafia unless Alison is too tho
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Given that he started with a town read on nutella (similar to myself), I suspect if he's her teammate that's where he stays. He reverted the read mid-day 1 when she failed to keep up appearances and it was one of the things that pushed me to reconsider myself.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Oh I guess this claim is real lol.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:35 pm Yeah I'm masons with guillo
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Nope. I was asked about this yesterday too and my response was to point that the phrase "1-shot" did not actually appear anywhere in my original rolecard. I described it as such because it was a single-use ability by design, but I guess it was not technically "1-shot", it was just an ability that changed to something else after it got used. The desperado role was explicitly described as "1-shot."JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:30 pmYou ever learn anything about how your 1-shot was refunded to you, if that's what happened?Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:29 pmI was blocked trying to pick up Belzy's role on Night 2 and lost monkey has now corroborated this by claiming to have blocked me that night.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:24 pm Is shooting orangecrush actually clearing given they were floundering. I've seen stranger mafia decisions. Maybe Sloonei is just some mafia counter balance to belzy.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Yesterday's honest people are today's dicks in a world entitled instant gratification jerks.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:35 pm Yeah I'm masons with guillo
Hes mostly been a dick and then told me some bs about us not being compatible cause I didn't want to rip on tangy's effort level, its been real fun
Sorry honesty does not resonate with you.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
I have another pair.
Jay and Sloonei.
Jay and Sloonei.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
That is not what he is suggesting. He's saying your claim is fake.Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:31 pmThat is ridiculous. Masons are guaranteed to be town.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
He left for me a gnome.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Yeah you're a real hero alright, fighting the good fight
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Cool. I can't think of a reason off-hand why that might be in conflict with lost monkey's claim which is why I asked.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:37 pm Nope. I was asked about this yesterday too and my response was to point that the phrase "1-shot" did not actually appear anywhere in my original rolecard. I described it as such because it was a single-use ability by design, but I guess it was not technically "1-shot", it was just an ability that changed to something else after it got used. The desperado role was explicitly described as "1-shot."
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Oh... people are gonna say that Nanook and I are distancing now. Oops
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Lol what did he do to upset you?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:38 pm Yeah you're a real hero alright, fighting the good fight
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
Anyways guillo basically claimed masons with his early to mid d1 reads, I clearly dropped off to avoid NKs, I dont think there's much space to doubt the claim tbh
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 5]
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.