Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[Creature]

I thought Michelle was wolfy, but dunno now. I wasn't expecting this level of bastard.

[Garden Gnome]

Fake alignment flips is a bastard element I find just plain unfun.

I'm not a fan of fake alignment flips but, when you're the one who is flipped, watching the reaction can be hilarious. I once played a game in which I was town. After I got NKed or vig killed (I don't know which, but I got deaded anyway), I flipped as a jester. I was so sad that I wasn't really a jester because I would have put more effort into playing scummy and getting yeeted. The squawking after my demise was funny, and the thread was a pleasure to read.

[hollowkatt]

Should we be voting alison for NK immunity if she's kidnapped?

[Guillotine]

[Garden Gnome]

Should we be voting alison for NK immunity if she's kidnapped?

She can't speak so she's an easy target.
Why did you vote MacDougall and yourself?

[Lime Coke]

Should we be voting alison for NK immunity if she's kidnapped?

Pretty much why I voted her.

[hollowkatt]

Should we be voting alison for NK immunity if she's kidnapped?

She can't speak so she's an easy target.
Why did you vote MacDougall and yourself?

Why would I not vote myself for NK immunity? c'mon, that's a bad question
I town read mac. It started yesterday as a joke b/c I voted him for NK immunity before he'd posted. I kept it there after he started posting.

[hollowkatt]

Should we be voting alison for NK immunity if she's kidnapped?

Pretty much why I voted her.

Maybe I should restate:
Do we think alison is removed from the game till tomorrow? If we do, voting NK immunity doesn't make sense.
If we think it's just for the day phase then yes, it makes sense.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Should we be voting alison for NK immunity if she's kidnapped?

If we're assuming mafia did it then yeah probably better to be safe

Idk how kidnapping works wrt what phases exactly it affects, id guess probably next day/night (ie d2 and n2), but...yeah, idk, bastard guillo game so hard to say

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean, its not entirely clear to me that kidnapping has to be scumsided, it prooooobably is, but if you're town with that role who else are you gonna target this early in the game you know? So yeah. Its probably a mafia role but without knowing the exact details its potentially not, if it removes the player at night too

[lost monkey]

We should concentrate more on scum hunting then setup solving, its wifom and mostly time wasting. We should look at the people who shifted to mansick in the end and people who made the nk immunity into a tie so that no one gets it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sorry, thats not really a clear thought, let me try to be a bit clearer. I'm still pretty congested so being coherent is not my current strongsuit

If it removes her just from the day its obviously mafia

If it removes her the same night its used it could go either way (its basically a pseudo doc if town has it)

If it removes her the following night it could go either way, but more likely to be mafia cause of target choice (Alison too high a chance to be n1 nk)


So yeah. There are worlds where kidnapping is a town ability used as a pseudo doc, but looking at these...on balance I think the world's where its mafia sided are more likely, and Alison was unlikely to ever be in danger today or get shot at night (making her an odd choice if mafia wanted to use it on one of their own), so she's probably just town

[Guillotine]

Some heinous charges have been filed by a Prosecutor against Scotty. You all have been selected to serve on Scotty's jury. Each player must decide if Scotty is innocent or guilty by voting in the thread. To cast a guilty vote, you simply vote Scotty in thread like normal.

To cast an innocent vote, you vote anyone OTHER than Scotty in thread. A simple majority (8 players) will be required to pass sentence on Scotty. If the simple majority is achieved, then the Prosecutor may then choose to immediately execute or pardon Scotty. No notice will be given in thread if Scotty is pardoned.

This will not end the day, and the normal end of day elimination will still happen regardless of it Scotty is executed, pardoned, or if no majority is reached.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm willing to hear counter arguments but I think that makes it correct to give her immunity tonight in case it's just a day ability

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wot

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is there...any reason not to take the free kill...or...?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like wait for a legacy or whatever, but yeah, I think we obviously take the free extra kill

[listo95]

We should concentrate more on scum hunting then setup solving, its wifom and mostly time wasting. We should look at the people who shifted to mansick in the end and people who made the nk immunity into a tie so that no one gets it.

Is there a way to see who voted when from the previous poll? Because if so that would be helpful.

[hollowkatt]

Should we be voting alison for NK immunity if she's kidnapped?

If we're assuming mafia did it then yeah probably better to be safe

Idk how kidnapping works wrt what phases exactly it affects, id guess probably next day/night (ie d2 and n2), but...yeah, idk, bastard guillo game so hard to say

I mean, its not entirely clear to me that kidnapping has to be scumsided, it prooooobably is, but if you're town with that role who else are you gonna target this early in the game you know? So yeah. Its probably a mafia role but without knowing the exact details its potentially not, if it removes the player at night too

Sorry, thats not really a clear thought, let me try to be a bit clearer. I'm still pretty congested so being coherent is not my current strongsuit

If it removes her just from the day its obviously mafia

If it removes her the same night its used it could go either way (its basically a pseudo doc if town has it)

If it removes her the following night it could go either way, but more likely to be mafia cause of target choice (Alison too high a chance to be n1 nk)


So yeah. There are worlds where kidnapping is a town ability used as a pseudo doc, but looking at these...on balance I think the world's where its mafia sided are more likely, and Alison was unlikely to ever be in danger today or get shot at night (making her an odd choice if mafia wanted to use it on one of their own), so she's probably just town

yeah, that all makes sense. It's probably safest to mark Alison as immune from the NK

[Scotty]

Well I’ll be

I should have latched more onto my intuition that Michelle was posting those spoilered walls of “collected posts” without any commentary or rhyme and reason behind them. Ah well, good shot whoever did it.

I’m probably going to be in the POE because afaik Michele didn’t “spew” me, though that term is still new. And that’s fine

[hollowkatt]

Like wait for a legacy or whatever, but yeah, I think we obviously take the free extra kill

yeah, we take it
[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

We should concentrate more on scum hunting then setup solving, its wifom and mostly time wasting. We should look at the people who shifted to mansick in the end and people who made the nk immunity into a tie so that no one gets it.

Is there a way to see who voted when from the previous poll? Because if so that would be helpful.

unfortunately no there's no poll history.

[Scotty]

Preemptively searching through Michele’s ISO..

So she votes for Osie early on D1 as a “come out and play friend” vote. Sits on it for almost 24 hours, no one else latches on. Could be the point. Then she voted Ender. Followed closely by defending Osie as playing in a NAI manner when lomo presses. Doesn’t really engage with osie again.

Could be w/w

[Scotty]

Some heinous charges have been filed by a Prosecutor against Scotty. You all have been selected to serve on Scotty's jury. Each player must decide if Scotty is innocent or guilty by voting in the thread. To cast a guilty vote, you simply vote Scotty in thread like normal.

To cast an innocent vote, you vote anyone OTHER than Scotty in thread. A simple majority (8 players) will be required to pass sentence on Scotty. If the simple majority is achieved, then the Prosecutor may then choose to immediately execute or pardon Scotty. No notice will be given in thread if Scotty is pardoned.

This will not end the day, and the normal end of day elimination will still happen regardless of it Scotty is executed, pardoned, or if no majority is reached.

Wait wtf is this

[Scotty]

Is there...any reason not to take the free kill...or...?

If that will help you solve the game I guess.

Really sucks for me tho.

Until then, ima keep hunting

[hollowkatt]

Preemptively searching through Michele’s ISO..

So she votes for Osie early on D1 as a “come out and play friend” vote. Sits on it for almost 24 hours, no one else latches on. Could be the point. Then she voted Ender. Followed closely by defending Osie as playing in a NAI manner when lomo presses. Doesn’t really engage with osie again.

Could be w/w

Could be yeah

[hollowkatt]

Is there...any reason not to take the free kill...or...?

If that will help you solve the game I guess.

Really sucks for me tho.

Until then, ima keep hunting

I mean like if you keep hunting and seem towny doing it then probably killing you is bad. Gonna pull my vote off of you while you solve. We have a while as it doesn't seem there's a deadline there.
[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

[Scotty]

I see HK has as TR my top SR

mansnicks, honey, lime are the ones that are sticking out to me as scum. Mostly not caring though b/c finding town is better

All right, thank you!
Who are your strongest town reads right now?

me
mac
alison
dolby
ender

all right! Thank you!

Gnomey what reads do you have?

These are the people who come across as town to me, based on their tone. I like how they communicate and how they are pushing to solve. : Alison, Dolby, lime coke, triplehaven, and honey.

I usually struggle with scum reads on D1, and this game is no exception.

What are you thinking right now?

In short i have

Mansnicks
Mac
HK
For top TRs

Creature
Ender
For top SRs

And you're probably town ig ^^

Wow and Jesus she lists Mansnicks as top TR on back half of d1. Missed that completely.

I think voting HK over Ender makes zero sense.

I agree with this

This, combined with how she was voting for Ender and campaigning for his demise for the back half of d1 probably makes Ender town, no?

[Scotty]

ok, Osie is town like 95%

I have indeed Lost Monley as scum, let's see where this goes

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

Yikes. Does Michel normally defend her scummates when wolf?

[VOTE: Osie] aubergine

Dunno if when/if I get mccarthy’d here that my vote will still count but here it is currently

[Scotty]

Is there...any reason not to take the free kill...or...?

If that will help you solve the game I guess.

Really sucks for me tho.

Until then, ima keep hunting

I mean like if you keep hunting and seem towny doing it then probably killing you is bad. Gonna pull my vote off of you while you solve. We have a while as it doesn't seem there's a deadline there.
[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Honestly killing me is only good if it will solve the Ender/Scotty dilemma at end of D1.

I currently read him as town, so I think wolves were sitting back flicking boogers towards the end

[hollowkatt]

Is there...any reason not to take the free kill...or...?

If that will help you solve the game I guess.

Really sucks for me tho.

Until then, ima keep hunting

I mean like if you keep hunting and seem towny doing it then probably killing you is bad. Gonna pull my vote off of you while you solve. We have a while as it doesn't seem there's a deadline there.
[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Honestly killing me is only good if it will solve the Ender/Scotty dilemma at end of D1.

I currently read him as town, so I think wolves were sitting back flicking boogers towards the end

I don't think there's a dilemma, especially if you post your way out of it.

[honey]

I can't read everything since day start right now but why did falcon die? weren't they a wagon on d1? I expected one of me alison or mac to die since they were tred as 'town leaders' and i was tred for being adorable and i've been thinking about the implications accordingly

Also did not expect everyone to bw mansnicks after i voted him i @'d him to come talk but ngl even i had woken up in time he didnt put up a passionate enough defense to probably make me change my mind i just think it's very sus how there were 3 different top wagons other than mans, i vote mansnicks and then within a 9 hour period he becomes overwhelmingly the top wagon

Also something bad happened to me last night if anyone knows anything about that .. come forward or else

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean the only time we don't kill scotty today is if we're gonna clear him for the rest of the game

[honey]

ALSO seeing michelle was wolf she wanted me to stop tring limecoke based on meta which makes him lean town more for me~~

[Scotty]

I am well aware that Alison put me in the town pile with ease, and because I am strangely pocketed by her for the first time since we started to play together, I will consider this a sign and refuse paranoia until later in the game if i am alive and she is still around.
That was about someone who signaled that Alison's read for me is concerning or something like this.

14. @Garden Gnome ISO - 26 posts, can go either way, she has fun, she posts opinions, upper part of the null
15. @honey ISO - 87 p, towny
16. @Creature ISO - 24 p, scum vibes, maybe town but.. nah, he looks like scum
17. @Seanzie ISO - 36 p, i would swear Seanzie posted more. Townie vibes iirc
18. @listo95 ISO - 14 p, looks like low poster scum, but i was toasted before by this reasoning
19. @mansnicks ISO - 32 p, stirred the pot early and dipped. May be RL, may be something else. Keeping an eye on him
20. @TonyStarkPrime ISO - 23 p, i really don't know
21. @osieorb18 ISO - 42 p, he's town imo

I probably have too many TRs

Let’s get some things out of the way: HK is supatown. Still read honey as town.

Gnome is also someone that I could see as possible w/w, will look at her

Seanzie on my board as well. Despite a bunch of people saying he’s “in his town meta” whatever that means. It means nothing to me. After Earth was advertised as a sci-fi horror but in reality it was an M Night Shamalamadingdong nightmare porn. Don’t believe the advertising.

Listo was scumread offhand a lot from Michele, and is prrroobably a good look imo

TSP…is a really good vote today, HK. Will look with just an eye on his interactions with Michele next, but in my skim she only calls out for him to play. Will see what he says about her

[hollowkatt]

I mean the only time we don't kill scotty today is if we're gonna clear him for the rest of the game

we have just about 40 hours to watch him post, solve, and react to things. I know I know, any wolf worth their salt can be townie as fuck for 48 hours but I'm inclined to think that if he can post himself clear of suspicion then fine, we just lock him town and make wolves kill him.
If he's a wolf i'm sure there's ways we can figure that out

[Scotty]

I mean the only time we don't kill scotty today is if we're gonna clear him for the rest of the game

Yea and I’m at peace with that. Don’t see a way to clear myself today lol

My role is pretty bland anyway

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean the only time we don't kill scotty today is if we're gonna clear him for the rest of the game

we have just about 40 hours to watch him post, solve, and react to things. I know I know, any wolf worth their salt can be townie as fuck for 48 hours but I'm inclined to think that if he can post himself clear of suspicion then fine, we just lock him town and make wolves kill him.
If he's a wolf i'm sure there's ways we can figure that out

Have to leave more time in the day if we decide to kill him, the coordination to get 8 votes on him at eod and 7 on someone else we want to kill is uh

Not likely to happen lol

Really we should make a decision 24-36 hours into the day so there's enough time to see a flip and adjust accordingly if he's red

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean the only time we don't kill scotty today is if we're gonna clear him for the rest of the game

Yea and I’m at peace with that. Don’t see a way to clear myself today lol

My role is pretty bland anyway

Yeah if you're town its a pretty shit position to be in, just do your thing and if you flip green we'll take your legacy into account

[hollowkatt]

I mean the only time we don't kill scotty today is if we're gonna clear him for the rest of the game

we have just about 40 hours to watch him post, solve, and react to things. I know I know, any wolf worth their salt can be townie as fuck for 48 hours but I'm inclined to think that if he can post himself clear of suspicion then fine, we just lock him town and make wolves kill him.
If he's a wolf i'm sure there's ways we can figure that out

Have to leave more time in the day if we decide to kill him, the coordination to get 8 votes on him at eod and 7 on someone else we want to kill is uh

Not likely to happen lol

Really we should make a decision 24-36 hours into the day so there's enough time to see a flip and adjust accordingly if he's red

I already know I'm ending the day on TSP but yeah, I get your point. Making a decision by 24-30 to go makes the most sense to me given that EOD is like 11am for me

[Scotty]

Tony’s detective work in D1 is like me trying to impress a girl at a club with my dancing: lackluster and embarrassing.
His iso might as well have been 23 posts of “woah”

falcon's town too but I think that was obvious a while ago

Well we know somebody that viewed falcon as town enough for mafia to kill

He never mentions Michele

I approve of his lynch today

[Scotty]

Osie’s iso RE: Michele:

Spoiler: show

“Michelle's vote on HK is entirely random? “
“Michelle is being very friendly and reaching out without much to it and I'm not sure if I like it or dislike it.”
“Michelle 58 feels a little stilted but still could come from either alignment.”
“Michelle embracing the social elements is giving me very light scumpings.”
“ Michelle still slightly sus to me since it looks like she's trying to fly a little low while appearing present with posts like 80. The vote on me is NAI but the chainsawing townread feels odd.”
Reads her as scum lean

So far I’m finding that any time there is a criticism of Michele, there tends to be a modifier that casts doubt on her suspicion. Too many outs.

Spoiler: show

“Michelle is AWKWARD here... I don't remember ever seeing her look this awkward.”
“ @Michelle - Do you feel engaged in this game?”

Can we not focus so much on meta from other games and play instead this game?

I want to put this up on my wall, Michelle.

Scumleans:

Flea the Magician
Michelle
Seanzie

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Between this and Falcon for me right now and I like MacDougall a hell of a lot more than either Seanzie or Ender at this time.

Wow. So I get the vote since I had some sort of leading wagon. But why even mention liking Mac more than Seanzie or Ender? Seanzie wasn’t even really a train if I recall, and the last list Osie gave had Seanzie as a scumlean. Interesting.

1. @lost monkey ISO - lean wolf
3. @falcon45ca ISO - lean town
4. @hollowkatt ISO - lean town
5. @Lime Coke ISO - lean town
6. @Flea the Magician ISO - lean town
7. @ NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME ISO - lean town
8. @Alison ISO - strong town
9. @Michelle ISO - strong town
10. @EnderWiggin ISO - lean wolf
11. @TripleHaven ISO - lean town
12. @Dolby ISO - lean wolf
13. @Scotty ISO - lean wolf
14. @Garden Gnome ISO - lean wolf
15. @honey ISO - lean town
16. @Creature ISO - lean town
17. @Seanzie ISO - strong town
18. @listo95 ISO - lean town
19. @mansnicks ISO - lean town
20. @TonyStarkPrime ISO - lean town
21. @osieorb18 ISO - strong town

Why the townlean on Falcon? I don't think I disagree with most of your other reads (at least out of the ones I quoted); I'm still getting there on a few of them, but they're within margin of error (read to null or lean to lean) on pretty much all of them other than falcon.

Vague as shit answer here. “They’re within margin of error on pretty much all of them??”

@MacDougall Oh yeah, also not sure about why the strong town on Seanzie.

*Michele strong town*

Forget about her? Or did you forget you read her as scum lean?

Final reads list of D1:

“Michelle can be a townlean for now. I didn't care for her start, but I've liked her posts a bit more as the game has gone on. Keeping an eye on her to avoid being pocketed again though.“

Now this could very well be a logical progression of a townie solving the game in their own way. I acknowledge that. I can also see the viewpoint of a partner taking just enough precaution to distance in the beginning, and slowly backing off over time.

Leaving my vote on Osie for now

[Flea the Magician]

I'm confused about Alison being kidnapped though? Will she return naturally, do we need to yeet the kidnapper for her to return, or is she just eliminated?

Yeah she'll return at EoD I think.

my townies:
me
mac
alison
ender
dolby
nanook
seanzie
honey

I'm leaning town on TH and Gnome
Parked on TSP today, seems legit to me

Figure if I can keep finding and clearing townies that'll be the best way to move forward

You should add me to that list, save me some effort later.

[hollowkatt]

I'm confused about Alison being kidnapped though? Will she return naturally, do we need to yeet the kidnapper for her to return, or is she just eliminated?

Yeah she'll return at EoD I think.

my townies:
me
mac
alison
ender
dolby
nanook
seanzie
honey

I'm leaning town on TH and Gnome
Parked on TSP today, seems legit to me

Figure if I can keep finding and clearing townies that'll be the best way to move forward

You should add me to that list, save me some effort later.

straight up, other than when I asked why you were voting me for the elimination I have not read your posts with any kind of eye towards understanding your alignment.

[Flea the Magician]

Honestly, if you don't know me you don't have a chance of working it out, just take my word for it ^_^

[Scotty]

I invite everyone to read Garden Gnome’s ISO in a vaccuum.

I don’t know how they usually play, but besides not mentioning Michele until just now when someone questions if it was fake, they only ask questions of other people’s town reads and have nothing of substance to add in D1 and very affable and friendly, but devoid of solving.

No connection to Michele, so I have other targets but im scumleaning Gnome right now

[hollowkatt]

Honestly, if you don't know me you don't have a chance of working it out, just take my word for it ^_^

lol... no

[Scotty]

I don’t know who the prosecutor is, or even what alignment that is (I’m guessing town): I’m guessing you wanted to kick my ass into gear and it’s ironic because I normally get kicked into gear after some kills are on the table and I can do shit. This isn’t an excuse, just my 2pc

[Scotty]

Seanzie RE: Michele:

Kinda don't like Michelle, ngl.

Well pack it in boys, nothing to see here

[Flea the Magician]

I still have "The Big Sus"[tm] on Macdougle, I think Scotty is town, hollowkat remains on the sus list ^_^