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Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs [Day 3]
To avoid my reads shaping ur reads*
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I don't recall any progression on that read, either.
Something something progression cases are bad, thanks c4, leave me alone.
Paying attention to such a thing is admittedly towny, but this post came after alexa's read, not before it.
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Something something wolfy pop in.
Transcend is making my points for me. There was some progression in between but it was messy, weird, and I didn't get it at all.
Who pushed on this day 1? This towncore is 100% pure if my reads so far are correct and alexa is town.
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Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs [Day 3]
...Wait. Why did he put alexa in the towncore after sussing her for bad progression? Maybe he liked the answer... whatever. Either way, if my reads are any good then Transcend was on the money day 1 and was the type of player wolves would want to kill at night, and yet he was misyeeted. He's also apparently an obvious wolf or something? How did that happen?
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basically the read on transcend was he should have known that LC was town if he was town and the fact that he expressed doubt was scummy and if that argument sounds like TMI to you then uh idk it is probably
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This sounds more like wtf than scummy. Those types of reads kill paranoid/doubtful villagers all the time.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:27 am basically the read on transcend was he should have known that LC was town if he was town and the fact that he expressed doubt was scummy and if that argument sounds like TMI to you then uh idk it is probably
I wanted to say that's actually towny for alexa in a vacuum if transcend didn't change his alexa read afterward. If you're wolfing, you don't push the villagers who are townreading you. However, if you're truthful about the reasoning used to push on him, that's so horrendous that I'm back to scumreading her for it.
Did anyone else embark on the push with commentary other than placing naked votes? What did they say?
And have you fulfilled your solving quota for the day already? Is that why you aren't solving and just listening to me talk like illario?
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ive been reading from the start with you lol. tryna see if i can clear lc of partners with everyone as a ways of finding him as town lolVulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:29 amThis sounds more like wtf than scummy. Those types of reads kill paranoid/doubtful villagers all the time.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:27 am basically the read on transcend was he should have known that LC was town if he was town and the fact that he expressed doubt was scummy and if that argument sounds like TMI to you then uh idk it is probably
I wanted to say that's actually towny for alexa in a vacuum if transcend didn't change his alexa read afterward. If you're wolfing, you don't push the villagers who are townreading you. However, if you're truthful about the reasoning used to push on him, that's so horrendous that I'm back to scumreading her for it.
Did anyone else embark on the push with commentary other than placing naked votes? What did they say?
And have you fulfilled your solving quota for the day already? Is that why you aren't solving and just listening to me talk like illario?
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I was talking to TSP, not you.
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I still can't believe this was the day 1.
Mildly villagery to encourage removing Alison from the misyeet pool if the post is serious.
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Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs [Day 3]
@alexa do these nks make sense to you in an ender/tsp world?
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My biggest townreads not called illario are the d1 misyeet and the n1 kill.
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Tfw they were actually both yeeted, d1 and d2 respectively.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:38 amWhy are you talking to alexa, you already solved the game. Transcend and I are wolves.
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I'm like 13 pages in and I still haven't seen any indication this guy is here to solve the game.
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Lime Coke completely ignoring Mac's openwolfing on page 13 and ignoring Transcend's contributions to it is also super wolfy, because it's like he knows it's V/V and there's no reason to prevent Mac from getting himself killed.
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Like, he's doing this instead. This is real openwolfing. He fizzled out so hard from his early pages, and it really shows. He's out of steam already, since as soon as the Epicmafia discourse ended (I think that's the community they were talking about), and he hasn't even tried to start solving yet. This really does look like what people such as Alison described as a 2/10 wolfgame and I'm starting to wonder how this wasn't yeeted day 1 over Transcend.
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Fwiw, Ender is doing the exact same thing, but at least he's interacting with Mac and Transcend throughout, so it's slightly better.
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I keep agreeing with Transcend on everything he says.Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:55 amthe conviction in this post doesn't feel sincere honestlyEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:54 am Turbo Mac time.
Only been live for half a day and already caught first red.
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didn't i defend you for gettin sussed for being overly self-aware in anni because ik im self-aware as town all the time or am i misrememberingVulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:44 amThe continued self-awareness is killing me, but I'm starting to think it's a personality thing and not AI.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:47 pm ah, makes sense
well i will say the games that illario has read me the most uncharitably have been his scum games historically. if i were him i wouldn't take the approach toward me right out of the gate as wolf so i'm a bit hesitant to call him scum, in my gut i actually feel he may be town because i kept expecting him to not townread me immediately in a game (and he doesn't always but he never has outed a SR me on this except when he was scum), and i feel like i'm approaching this game similarly as i would as wolf so i could see it, but in addition to what brad's saying i can't townread him yet
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Idr anything like that. I'm not sure I'd call myself self-aware, but that's probably not something I can determine by myself.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:54 amdidn't i defend you for gettin sussed for being overly self-aware in anni because ik im self-aware as town all the time or am i misrememberingVulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:44 amThe continued self-awareness is killing me, but I'm starting to think it's a personality thing and not AI.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:47 pm ah, makes sense
well i will say the games that illario has read me the most uncharitably have been his scum games historically. if i were him i wouldn't take the approach toward me right out of the gate as wolf so i'm a bit hesitant to call him scum, in my gut i actually feel he may be town because i kept expecting him to not townread me immediately in a game (and he doesn't always but he never has outed a SR me on this except when he was scum), and i feel like i'm approaching this game similarly as i would as wolf so i could see it, but in addition to what brad's saying i can't townread him yet
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@ilario - Vulgard's posts on me feel extreme Uncharitable but i know i tend to get my view tainted by people's reads on me but it's not inspiring confidence on the slot, what do you think?
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Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:04 amlike srsly why do ppl tr lime?
these are his 4 most recent posts, and none of them rly advance the game state.
town!brad tends to advance the game state quite a bit by offering his own insight on events that occur in the game but all this shit just feels blendy.
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WHY DID THEY KILL YOU DAY 1 THIS MAKES NO SENSE oiajegoieagale
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hes town, and im not just saying that cos he trd me, if anything that made me a little wary. but then i thought to myself he would probably be less blatant about it if he were trying to pocket me
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i disagree because it feels like he went into it with "oh maybe alexa is a wolf because she seems excited" (even though this game has been pretty miserable for me and i explained my excitement) then he went and started nit-picking my posts w/that assumption so i feel like he's pocketing you
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plus he literally knows my playstyle is like this cuz he's seen me in anni
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And oh, Lime Coke's Brad? Somehow, that didn't even occur to me until now.
Turbo the guy, in that case. I villaged with him in DragonVale (admittedly he was alting but not for long) and his play didn't look like this.
@alexa How uncharitable of me to wolfread someone who's constantly self-aware, overreacts to the slightest wolfread, seeks to appease people scumreading them and pushed Transcend for bad reasons on day 1 according to TSP. I could probably spare the sarcasm, but the fact you're OMGUSing me right away for this is honestly laughable.
There are some villagery things you've done, and you've definitely been solving, but I don't think it's unreasonable for me not to townread you based on what I've seen from you in the early game, which is all that I've seen so far. And considering you seem to have misyeeted Transcend who'd be among my top TRs right now if he were alive. Yes, villagers make mistakes and push on town all the time, but I'm not sure how you can have this "scumreading me is bad faith ditto" attitude with all that in mind.
I don't hold my DragonVale misyeet against people like illario because I defended two wolves in that game and it was natural to me I'd get suspected. If you're a villager, it should be natural to you too, but instead I sense immense salt.
Don't take this personally, this isn't an attack on your character. But regardless, I think me not townreading you and putting you in PoE is perfectly fine. And sure, LC defended you on a meta basis, but LC is also very wolfy - so I don't weigh that much, if at all. Plus, you defended him as well, and I think he probably flips W now. I won't pursue this line until I actually see LC's flip, but yeah.
Turbo the guy, in that case. I villaged with him in DragonVale (admittedly he was alting but not for long) and his play didn't look like this.
@alexa How uncharitable of me to wolfread someone who's constantly self-aware, overreacts to the slightest wolfread, seeks to appease people scumreading them and pushed Transcend for bad reasons on day 1 according to TSP. I could probably spare the sarcasm, but the fact you're OMGUSing me right away for this is honestly laughable.
There are some villagery things you've done, and you've definitely been solving, but I don't think it's unreasonable for me not to townread you based on what I've seen from you in the early game, which is all that I've seen so far. And considering you seem to have misyeeted Transcend who'd be among my top TRs right now if he were alive. Yes, villagers make mistakes and push on town all the time, but I'm not sure how you can have this "scumreading me is bad faith ditto" attitude with all that in mind.
I don't hold my DragonVale misyeet against people like illario because I defended two wolves in that game and it was natural to me I'd get suspected. If you're a villager, it should be natural to you too, but instead I sense immense salt.
Don't take this personally, this isn't an attack on your character. But regardless, I think me not townreading you and putting you in PoE is perfectly fine. And sure, LC defended you on a meta basis, but LC is also very wolfy - so I don't weigh that much, if at all. Plus, you defended him as well, and I think he probably flips W now. I won't pursue this line until I actually see LC's flip, but yeah.
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Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs [Day 3]
Tbh I don’t think anyone remembers anyone’s playstyle in anni. I remember seeing tsp there and if u told me this guy here and the dude I saw in anni were the same people I’d be shocked
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That was the start of it, sure, but I fail to see how that's a problematic assumption. I didn't even put that much weight on it, it just made me take a closer look.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:00 ami disagree because it feels like he went into it with "oh maybe alexa is a wolf because she seems excited" (even though this game has been pretty miserable for me and i explained my excitement) then he went and started nit-picking my posts w/that assumption so i feel like he's pocketing you
The pocketing remark is w/e, I can see people think that. It happens to me all the time when I townread people.
I think your anni game was significantly townier than this and I thought you were obvious town on day 1. Suffice to say, I don't think so here.
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1. I'm self-aware. This is my playstyle. You nitpicked a post I hedged and quite literally said I hedged but just wanted to talk about my immediate thoughts. You're acting exactly how I'd expect a wolf to while picking apart me on a micro-level and ignoring things on a macro levelVulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:02 am And oh, Lime Coke's Brad? Somehow, that didn't even occur to me until now.
Turbo the guy, in that case. I villaged with him in DragonVale (admittedly he was alting but not for long) and his play didn't look like this.
@alexa How uncharitable of me to wolfread someone who's constantly self-aware, overreacts to the slightest wolfread, seeks to appease people scumreading them and pushed Transcend for bad reasons on day 1 according to TSP. I could probably spare the sarcasm, but the fact you're OMGUSing me right away for this is honestly laughable.
There are some villagery things you've done, and you've definitely been solving, but I don't think it's unreasonable for me not to townread you based on what I've seen from you in the early game, which is all that I've seen so far. And considering you seem to have misyeeted Transcend who'd be among my top TRs right now if he were alive. Yes, villagers make mistakes and push on town all the time, but I'm not sure how you can have this "scumreading me is bad faith ditto" attitude with all that in mind.
I don't hold my DragonVale misyeet against people like illario because I defended two wolves in that game and it was natural to me I'd get suspected. If you're a villager, it should be natural to you too, but instead I sense immense salt.
Don't take this personally, this isn't an attack on your character. But regardless, I think me not townreading you and putting you in PoE is perfectly fine. And sure, LC defended you on a meta basis, but LC is also very wolfy - so I don't weigh that much, if at all. Plus, you defended him as well, and I think he probably flips W now. I won't pursue this line until I actually see LC's flip, but yeah.
2. You literally cannot say Transcend would be a top townread when you weren't there
3. And this, TSP's information is wrong, I literally SAID THAT I VILLAGE READ TRANSCEND BY THE END OF THE DAY. It was mac and Alison specifically who were pushing that yeet through - I was one of the few people trying to engage with him and stating that I felt like his EOD was actually coming from him as a villager - he was just making his own bed
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I didn't even vote Transcend by end of day one iirc
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I have not defended LC much at all since day one and even pushed him at points. You're writing your own narrative.
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I only have information from day one (not even all of it) and even said as much just now.
Now, who's being uncharitable?
Now, who's being uncharitable?
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https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5066900
this is the posti 'm referring to
but like if you read any of my games i'm town ever i'm just extremely self-aware
this is the posti 'm referring to
but like if you read any of my games i'm town ever i'm just extremely self-aware
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im gonna lol if this was a sneaky little tmi jab by enderEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:56 amSometimes he does.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:55 amHe doesn't catch heat as town.Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:53 amdoes he behave like this when he catches heat as town?
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Meh, I don't think this is going to be very productive.
My reads are in the thread. I don't see myself doing much more today, but I'll probably keep reading tomorrow.
Vote's on Coke and I'd prefer to kill him before anyone else atm.
Glgl.
My reads are in the thread. I don't see myself doing much more today, but I'll probably keep reading tomorrow.
Vote's on Coke and I'd prefer to kill him before anyone else atm.
Glgl.
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well he's at L-1 so i'm not going to hammer him but if Brad has no reaction to everyone deciding he's a wolf then he probably is one
and it'd make sense why i haven't been able to find him with confidence all game.
and it'd make sense why i haven't been able to find him with confidence all game.
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oh good
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Okay I woke up to 8 notifications.
What the hell is going on?
What the hell is going on?
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wagons might be tvt idk
just a threadstate read ig
just a threadstate read ig
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i really don't know and i just generally feel like i've fucked this game up by hyperposting, getting emotional, and not critically considering things, like i feel intensely that i want a redo because the thread is so bloated i don't have the motivation to parse things. it's been difficult on a new site. you're the only read i have any degree of confidence on and with the toxicity throughout this game i just lack motivation to figure anything out and feel like if i don't vote wiml i'm just going to get flamed by mac and esooa in post
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do you think wiml/vul is a wolf though? i mean u trusted everyone elses reads in ur champs game even though ur better judgement told u it was justin. if wiml/vul is town and he gets mishammered and ur gut told u he was town you'll regret it more than if the slot is maf and u didnt hammer them because you trd it.
id always rather lose through my own mistakes than lose through someone elses.
id always rather lose through my own mistakes than lose through someone elses.
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Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs
Because as a former EM player, and just my playstyle in general, I end up with a few snapreads early game. I saw nothing I could really give an alignment read before I posted.Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:46 am
I know this is like, 105 pages back, but.
Lime Coke, why did you feel pressured to give reads on page 1? Your statement implies you felt like you should have reads but did not, and I’m not sure where the first part comes from. The only read on that page before your post was Nanook hard townreading Transcend (correctly, but that’s beside the point), so it’s not like everyone was giving reads left and right. I’m not even sure whether Nanook’s townread was serious.
This was me making a joke about a game prior to this on MU, the one where I was banned specifically. We had a player basically tunnel all villagers and townread the entire wolf team, anytime someone had a correct read that wasn't her, she would call it "TMI."Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:05 am…Sure. Kinda villagery? The mindset presented isn't something I see wolves fake very often, because it's dumb and wolves ~usually~ don't want to sound dumb.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pmYes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.
I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.
Then proceed to lead town into an L.
Then after that person would die and flip town, she would complain about that person instead of blaming herself for misreading the player(s). She basically lost the game for town.
Still not a real thought.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:07 amdid you read his postsLime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:40 pmThat's not a real thought.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:38 pmIdk dude he looked like obvious town to meLime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:36 pmBecause who ACTUALLY townreads Transcend in this game? Even if you "say" you townread him, you never actually meant it. Fuck him, ya'know.alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:30 pmfirst thing that sticks out from memory is the "TMI" read on transcend because transcend was nook's first townread, why would that approach be considered TMI?
i will go through it for real though actually in the morning i'm kind of too tired to game right now but yeah
Nanook just threw a townread on Transcend and never explained why. It's a TMI read.
I mean...I agree with most of the things she says because 1. She's better than me and 2. We sorta think the same when reading people?Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:13 amI'm not seeing where she's getting that from. I know it's gut, but still.
It feels like Lime Coke is just agreeing with everything alexa is saying, no matter what it is. And sure, Lime has a townread on alexa already at this point, but the complete and utter agreeability is... odd. Especially since I don't even find alexa towny judging by her posts until then.
?probably? not W/W? I can't see them aligning themselves together so quickly in a game and setup like this, where they'd have to hope neither ever flips, because otherwise both will - and town wins.
I gotta respond to these a few quotes at a time because I'm getting lost when Vulgard is having multiquotes that involve multiple quotes themselves.
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Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs [Day 3]
i don't know. if someone put a gun to my head and i had 0 influence whatsoever i'd call the slot town, but it's hard for me to ignore the voices of dead people screaming at me. like the amount of emotion wiml had and the way he treated me, if he did that and it wasn't genuine that would be completely fucked up, so i want to call him a villager for that.. i think the emotion was likely real regardless of alignment, but the amount he was insisting he would kill in us specifically is like stuff that's hard to make up so stubbornly if you don't believe itilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:34 am do you think wiml/vul is a wolf though? i mean u trusted everyone elses reads in ur champs game even though ur better judgement told u it was justin. if wiml/vul is town and he gets mishammered and ur gut told u he was town you'll regret it more than if the slot is maf and u didnt hammer them because you trd it.
id always rather lose through my own mistakes than lose through someone elses.
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Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs [Day 3]
i know mac/esooa are great players and their input is something ill take into account. but at the end of the day im playing the game with more info than they are since we have more posts and content as each day goes, and that alone is enough reason to not sheep. i mean think about vtubers? i almost tossed the game cos i was feeling super lazy and was like yeah sure the entire lobby trd ilya and srd marl im just gonna trust that and vote marl. but when i read the game with the entire perspective of everything that happened ilyas game was pretty scummy and marls was just insane amounts of towniness. this COULD be the case for wiml/vul or it could not, idk yet, but more signs point to him being town than wolf and this was what i thought even BEFORE the sub.