Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

#401

Hi all. Just got notice the game started.

#402

DFaraday wrote:I'm so glad this game has started! And I voted the wonderful Peter Davison.

This is my vote too

#403

I hate having to read all this crap

#404

Snow Dog wrote:I hate having to read all this crap

Haha I feel you. When I'm gone for a day all of the sudden there's like a hundred posts to go through and figure out what's been happening.

#405

I'm kind of at a loss for this first vote. TH's post about MP's actions really struck a cord with me. At the same time I know he does these kinds of things often. And I'm certainly not going to vote zeek or enrique, and don't see the SVS case. Anyone seen suspicious behavior from anyone else in this game?

#406

I don't see the SVS case either, tbh. Smoke, mirrors and vapors.

I am not a Dalek, one of the cybermen, or anyone other than a civvie.

Is that STV enough for you Zeek?

#407

surprised splints and keys at the casino with Chris. So yah I am gonna be scarce.

#408

Enrique wrote:"Supatown" has been used twice in this thread... once by Made, as a standard LD statement, and then zeek using it "in llama's words." Zeek, this is your first game here, right? Not even a Side Mission before? Caught on quickly to the lingo. Is this something you learnt from your BTSC partners?

I played quite a bit...what is supatown?

#409

MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL. Supatown is something llama started in the Felt game as a joke and I actually changed his rank from "Henchman" to "Supatown" after that game concluded because I thought it would be funny. :P

Interested to hear zeek's response regarding the question, but it's very possible he watched the Felt game because if I remember correctly I recall seeing his name having voted in the final poll, so I don't think it means anything.

Answered. Not understood tho

#410

Snow Dog wrote:
Enrique wrote:"Supatown" has been used twice in this thread... once by Made, as a standard LD statement, and then zeek using it "in llama's words." Zeek, this is your first game here, right? Not even a Side Mission before? Caught on quickly to the lingo. Is this something you learnt from your BTSC partners?
I played quite a bit...what is supatown?

It's like Civvie, but with funny hats and mustaches!

#411

Is it just me, maybe because he's pushing at me, but does Epignosis feel really, really evil to anyone? Every time I read one of his posts, I picture him like this:

Gonna reread him; to be fair he almost always seems sinister to me, but he usually has a more sinister edge when he's bad.

#412

S~V~S wrote:Is it just me, maybe because he's pushing at me, but does Epignosis feel really, really evil to anyone? Every time I read one of his posts, I picture him like this:

Gonna reread him; to be fair he almost always seems sinister to me, but he usually has a more sinister edge when he's bad.

I'm reading Mad Genius which i'm assuming is the persona he's going for at this point. He hasn't pinged me yet so i'm letting it ride.

#413

Turnip Head wrote:Also y no turnipz on the poll hosts :o

I'll blame bea for that one. She made the poll. :P

But seriously, if anyone wants to vote for Turnip Head, just bold your vote in the thread and we'll count it.

#414

SVS, who are you leaning for at this point in time? And where is everyone?? (I don't expect you to know). It looks like about 5 of us are going to decide this lynch.

#415

Well, the football game has started and I'm going to lose track of time so I'd better vote. The biggest thing I can find to vote for is TH's comments about MP. I really hate this because i know MP wants to play and that he has been eliminated the in the beginning of too many games. But, I can't find anything else that resonates with me so I'm voting MP. I hope the rest of this group votes, its not fair to decide a lynch with a group of this size with so few people.

#416

Oh wait!!!! The vote isnt until tomorrow!! No wonder no one is here. I am not voting MP at this time - there is plenty more time for something to happen.

#417

juliets wrote:Oh wait!!!! The vote isnt until tomorrow!! No wonder no one is here. I am not voting MP at this time - there is plenty more time for something to happen.

All these games and the different times are making my head swim. Definitely glad we have a bit more time, so I can attempt to catch-up on reading by tomorrow, but I am probably out for tonight.

#418

Wow, go on, lynch me again, everyone. Third full game in a row I will have been eliminated Day 1, and this time only because no one understands my playstyle. Wonderful.

zeek wrote:I have a seriously case of man flu going on, so I doubt I'll be able to stay awake from the lynch at 2am. Going to take the next few hours to consider things.

MP - My manic adversary obviously hasn't endeared me to him. I just can't tell whether I believe him and, even if I do, is there anybody I'd vote for over him?

Enrique - The more I think about it, the more undecided I am. I'm leaning civ tho. I'd have liked to answer him myself but he dropped it so quickly it didn't seem as though it was a baddie looking for a quick bandwagon.

SVS - Been getting weird vibes from you. This comment seemed aimed at me when I was under scrutiny from MP. and then your exchange with Made over quote didn't really seem genuine either. I don't know what to think.

They're the three I'm looking at right now. Easily subject to change and I don't know where my vote will go.

I'm confused, zeek, if these are the three people you're looking at, how the hell can you be "leaning civ" on Epig? Doesn't that mean you're leaning even more civ on literally every other single person in the game other than me and S~V~S? Am I missing something here?

#419

I'm here. I'm going to catch up now.

#420

Turnip Head wrote:I'll highlight three posts from MP that make me feel like he's being disingenuous. Here's the post where he first brings up Zeek:

MovingPictures07 talking to Zeek re: speculation of secrets wrote:Consequently, while I do believe you have some logical and astute observations, in the end, I question the true intent behind your post. I've seen baddies (and I always try to do this myself as bad) who try to appear as helpful as possible but while simultaneously causing unnecessary paranoia, so just because I find myself agreeing with you, when I read your post part of me wondered if you are trying to set up misconceptions and paranoia.

Did anyone else get this stroke of paranoid thought or was it just me?

Never too early to start suspicion discussion, am I right?
Sounds like MP thought out his suspicion of Zeek's motives pretty thoroughly in that post, and then asks if anyone agrees with him. So what exactly is MP looking for with this so-called gambit?

Then, when pressed about it by Dana, here's MP's further explanation of his gambit move:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And Dana (or anyone else that is wondering), I just want to clarify that I know my gambit was risky, but I highly doubted anyone would take the bait, but on the off chance it did happen, I totally wanted to catch someone jumping onto a bullshit bandwagon. It was really just a beginning move and I don't have any intentions on regularly lying about my suspicions. :P There's a reason I kept emphasizing my suspicion on zeek was essentially equivalent to me randomly voting to find a baddie, and that's because that's exactly how I felt. So to be fair, it wasn't really that crazy of a gambit, I just wanted to see how everyone would react.
MP says he highly doubted anyone would take his bait, and that it was a bullshit bandwagon. So now MP is completely stepping away from his earlier point of view, he's doing a complete 180, he's saying his thoughts on Zeek were bullshit and he was hoping people would hop on the bandwagon he started, thereby revealing their bad selves. It just doesn't feel like civvie MP to me. It's too calculated, and requires him using Zeek as a pawn in his gambit, which doesn't seem like brotherly civvie love. I do not see a civvie MP "using" a fellow player in such a manner, especially this early and basically out of the blue.

Here's the post where MP first cites his actions as a gambit in order to start suspecting Enrique.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dana wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Bingo. It was really just a bunch of bullshit, and I really have no idea if zeek is bad or not, but I won't be voting for him this time around.
Um, MP, why would you do this? It didn't go anywhere so you just decide "I'll say I was never serious in the first place!" I do not like these mind games, people should say what they mean and mean what they say.
It was a gambit. I shook the tree up. I wanted to find baddies. I believe I have now. So it worked much better than just sitting and twiddling my thumbs, waiting for shit to happen.
He flip flops all over the Zeek thing, not taking responsibility for his own suspicion of Zeek and instead covering it up as a gambit... then used that gambit to go after Enrique instead, under even more dubious pretenses. None of this screams civvie perspective to me.

How does it "not feel" like civvie MP?

How often have you actually seen civvie MP, TH, since you've returned? Honest question. Because if I remember correctly you've only seen me as a baddie.

Again you say I'm using the gambit to go after Enrique... my thoughts on Enrique have been CLEAR. At first I thought I was onto something and then took a step back and I feel much less confident about it now.

What the hell is so suspicious about baddie hunting?

Turnip Head wrote:@Juliets: MP and others described his move as a gambit which is why I put it in quotations, but to me that's a misnomer. I think it was baddie-motivated entrapment. And I think he's calling it a gambit to cover up his perceived misfire at Zeek, and is now using that as an excuse to develop suspicions on Enrique. I think SVS pretty accurately described this type of behavior as "manic". Not getting civvie vibes from MP at all.

You can think what you want, but you're wrong. I'm NOT DEVELOPING suspicions on Enrique. I've all but abandoned them completely.

Seriously, does no one read my posts?

And what benefit would I have in doing all of this if I were bad? Why would I reveal it as a gambit? When do I ever reveal gambits as a baddie?

#421

Seriously, y guys find baddies without me, because NO ONE understands my methods, or they disagree with them, it makes me bad. Fine. Just waste a lynch on me. This is so fucking stupid. The baddies are loving this.

Disagree with me all you want, but how does it make me bad? TH gave this "great" analysis that all of it doesn't "feel" like civvie MP and I'm 99% sure he hasn't even seen my civvie game in years.

#422

I'm really done with this game, I'm not coming back until tomorrow, because this is just irritating.

#423

#424

Honestly, I don't think MP is bad here. I've played very little Mafia recently, so I still need to get used to people's playstyles again, but this isn't too different to the MP I've seen in any other games since I came back. His posts read of genuine frustration, and yeah, I don't agree with the tactic of using zeek as a scapegoat... he's obviously very frustrated with the reception he got. I have no reason to think he's good either, but, I wouldn't agree with an MP lynch today.

Epig on the other hand? Oh yeah. Maybe it's just that our styles don't mesh; last game I thought he was bad (which he kinda was?) and as far as I remember he also thought I was bad (which was only the case part of the time). That was a very quick vote for me for very little reason. Two votes within the first 5 minutes of the day, honestly I was scared of the bandwagon forming but that seems to have calmed down.

Let's look at the post that made him vote for me, since juliets also wanted to acknowledge it.

You know, I'm usually on SVS's side whenever she has the argument with Epig, but I really would've liked to see zeek's response here

The "usually" is there, juliets, because this has happened in both games since I came back (or at least happened in Monty Python and was brought up in this one). Epig insists that the only reason he ever took that position was because he was a baddie/sk and "couldn't give a tinkle" who got killed. OK, either way, that is not what I was doing, and I even acknowledged Epig in my original post. I wanted zeek to answer because it was possible he didn't have an answer prepared. MP came in and made sense, so I accepted it and dropped it. I never tried to make a big deal out of it.

Accusing me of lying about my personal life is also a little out there. I think I understand from a game perspective, but come on man

On a separate note, the way TH jumped in at first offering very little but a stance on MP was weird. Since then he has made some valid points, and honestly I don't blame him for his position. I don't think MP is bad myself, but TH's viewpoint is valid.

@linki: Assuming you mean "Enri" and not "Epig." He's looking at me since I've taken such a spotlight, making an opinion, and leaning civ. I don't have any problem with what he said. (I made another of my little probably inconsequential observations, though, just not sure it's worth sharing after the reaction last time

)

#425

@Alex:

Still a full 24 hours (I think?) until the poll closes. We'll be here, take your time.

#426

Yo, MP, from one batshit player to another, It's important to acknowledge that people don't like playing against people who use strategies they don't understand. Honestly, you had to of expected to take some votes over this, right?

Just maximize results and minimize damage by making sure everyone understands what you were trying to do and the results you got.

Also stop depending on your meta, that goes for everyone

#427

Canucklehead wrote:I've skimmed through in an attempt to catch up. Being in three games was a ridiculous choice on my part, but I am reallyreallyreally going to try not to totally bail on any games.....starting tomorrow.

Based on the last little round of insanity, my thoughts are as follows:
MP is doing too many drugs
Dana is speaking truth
Enrique has done nothing suspicious
Epi is bossy and strangely confident for Day 1 (though I get the impression that this type of confidence is really not all tht "strange" for Épi)

Un actualité not suspicieuse of Amy of the plâtres involucre in the récent brouhaha...I Will look élysée gère for m'y voté

Nope, this is just naturally how he is. Terrifying, isn't it?

#428

juliets wrote:Wow - and this is only day 0. Just catching up and providing some thoughts.

As a non-whovian I appreciate whatever information I can get on the characters in this game that comes from the tv show. I did not know the Master could regenerate but I did know Dr. Who does because it seems to be the cause of much angst in my Whovian friends. So I didn't see anything odd about zeeks post. I'm also wondering if now people will be reluctant to share details that may be important about the tv show.

I also see MP as normal MP right now. I usually can't tell about him until later in the game but he does seem to jump on seemingly small things early. Or make up theories about things that seem off base, even when he's civ. So, I'm not thinking he is bad at this point in time.

This is not going to be a favorable opinion but I see the whole thing as much to do about nothing. I don't think Dr. Who was left out of the regeneration conversation for a nefarious reason and I don't think MP has found a baddie behavior. Maybe part of my feeling is I know all too well how easy it is to say something that is taken wrong and be seen as a baddie because of it.

Ok, I have power read(skimmed up to this point and will be taking a break as my phone screen is much to small for my tired eyes.

I chose to quote juliets here because her thoughts are my thoughts up to this point.

#429

Just woke up. Thought the lynch was tonight. Presume I can still move my vote about seen as it's tomorrow, right?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
zeek wrote:I have a seriously case of man flu going on, so I doubt I'll be able to stay awake from the lynch at 2am. Going to take the next few hours to consider things.

MP - My manic adversary obviously hasn't endeared me to him. I just can't tell whether I believe him and, even if I do, is there anybody I'd vote for over him?

Enrique - The more I think about it, the more undecided I am. I'm leaning civ tho. I'd have liked to answer him myself but he dropped it so quickly it didn't seem as though it was a baddie looking for a quick bandwagon.

SVS - Been getting weird vibes from you. This comment seemed aimed at me when I was under scrutiny from MP. and then your exchange with Made over quote didn't really seem genuine either. I don't know what to think.

They're the three I'm looking at right now. Easily subject to change and I don't know where my vote will go.
I'm confused, zeek, if these are the three people you're looking at, how the hell can you be "leaning civ" on Epig? Doesn't that mean you're leaning even more civ on literally every other single person in the game other than me and S~V~S? Am I missing something here?

I'm not leaning any way on Epig. I'm leaning civ on Enrique. I haven't seen much from him other than a couple of one liners and his vote on Enrique, which seemed out of the blue but chalked it up to me not knowing him.

Unless I hear a more compelling argument to vote for somebody else, I'll leave my vote on MP. And I don't think he can complain about that.

#430

Apologies for being MIA! I will catch up tomorrow afternoon and share thoughts. Just checking in so y'all know I'm still here

#431

S~V~S wrote:Is it just me, maybe because he's pushing at me, but does Epignosis feel really, really evil to anyone? Every time I read one of his posts, I picture him like this:

Gonna reread him; to be fair he almost always seems sinister to me, but he usually has a more sinister edge when he's bad.

Haha yes Epi is very good at voicing his arguments whether they be true or not, which is how he got me, a civ, lynched in another game. Tricky tricky

#432

To be fair, it was the very end, and I still felt bad about it. It had to be done.

#433

I'm sorry, folks, I try not to break down emotionally during games and I always feel terrible when I do. My in-game frustration was seriously compounded today by RL-frustration, it was a really rough day, and I don't expect anyone to give me a pass or anything like that but it explains why I've maybe been more emotional today, so I apologize.

Seriously, I realize I probably fucked up. I just got really excited with the game and I wanted to start discussion and I seriously believed I could catch baddies with what I pulled on zeek, but I realize it comes across as insincere because I basically admit to falsifying, even if I was really clear in my very low intensity level of actually believing he was bad. As I've said, I thought getting discussion going and people talking would be a benefit overall and lead to less random voting on D1. Who knows, it still may.

I know I should feel responsible for attracting attention. I realize that I choose how I play and that if I realize it attracts attention that I should be able to deal with it better. But it doesn't make it any less frustrating when I feel like I've tried to clarify exactly where I was coming from and there are still people who want to lynch me over it.

I really have no freaking clue if Enri or zeek or practically anyone is bad at this point. I need to just clear my mind and come back to try to figure something out. But I'm pleading with people, if you really don't want to waste a lynch, don't vote for me. Just because I talk my head off and you don't understand my methods of trying to catch baddies, it doesn't make me bad.

I still look forward to hearing TH's answer to my question because I still can't think of a game where he's seen me as a civvie, but maybe I'm missing something.

And thanks for the explanation, zeek, I misread your post, my bad. I thought you said Epig not Enri. And I can complain about that because you'd be wrong, but at least I understand why you're doing it. It doesn't make it any less frustrating, but I suppose I get it. I should have probably approached things differently, but whatever, I just play to have fun and I still stand by creating discussion to get emotional tells on players. It's just disheartening because not only do I suffer this but I've seen it happen to SO many players -- in mafia, more people get lynched over people not understanding where they're coming from than they do from truly being "suspicious".

#434

Oh, and as to Epi sounding evil, I think that seems like a really weird accusation. He sounds like his regular old self to me. No clue about his alignment yet, but I have no reason to particularly distrust him.

#435

Do you guys really think MP would start out immediately accusing people and making multiple paragraph long posts as a baddie during day 0 and 1? That brought so much attention onto him, I don't understand why anyone who's bad would do something like that. I'm suspicious of the people who are jumping onto this vote.

#436

[quote="Dana"]Do you guys really think MP would start out immediately accusing people and making multiple paragraph long posts as a baddie during day 0 and 1?/quote]

Yes.

#437

@MP: I've seen glimpses of your civvie game in some games recently. Not a large sample size, but I've picked up on a few things I've seen you do as a civvie compared to things I've seen you do as a baddie (which is a much larger sample size for me).

I can go into more detail if you wish, and I'm sure you'll want me to

But, I'm curious what do you think are the differences between your civ game and your bad game? What do you think I'm missing?

Dana wrote:Do you guys really think MP would start out immediately accusing people and making multiple paragraph long posts as a baddie during day 0 and 1? That brought so much attention onto him, I don't understand why anyone who's bad would do something like that. I'm suspicious of the people who are jumping onto this vote.

Um... have you played with MP before?!? Lol. He loves to cause trouble early as a baddie.

#438

Turnip Head wrote:@MP: I've seen glimpses of your civvie game in some games recently. Not a large sample size, but I've picked up on a few things I've seen you do as a civvie compared to things I've seen you do as a baddie (which is a much larger sample size for me).

I can go into more detail if you wish, and I'm sure you'll want me to But, I'm curious what do you think are the differences between your civ game and your bad game? What do you think I'm missing?

Dana wrote:Do you guys really think MP would start out immediately accusing people and making multiple paragraph long posts as a baddie during day 0 and 1? That brought so much attention onto him, I don't understand why anyone who's bad would do something like that. I'm suspicious of the people who are jumping onto this vote.
Um... have you played with MP before?!? Lol. He loves to cause trouble early as a baddie.

MP isn't bad this time. He could be the independent, but he's not bad.

#439

Interesting Epi. I've noticed you've been relatively quiet on the matter. What makes you say that?

#440

Epignosis wrote: MP isn't bad this time. He could be the independent, but he's not bad.

Deja vu

#441

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, and as to Epi sounding evil, I think that seems like a really weird accusation. He sounds like his regular old self to me. No clue about his alignment yet, but I have no reason to particularly distrust him.

I did say he always sounds evil to me.

<----- Like that guy. But maybe a bit more than usual. I don't think it's "weird". It's just my opinion.

#442

I disagree. While he can be a manic FEB, I am not seeing Baddie MP here. He can fool me, he has done it before, but I'm not seeing what I normally I see from Baddie MP. I am seeing MP who is completely stressed out though.

#443

I honestly don't think I will be voting for MP, Enrique, or zeek. I, not sure who the heck I WILL be voting for though.

#444

Daisy, I was talking about Epi, not MP.

#445

And tbh, I am nowhere near close to voting for anyone in particular myself, either.

#446

S~V~S wrote:Daisy, I was talking about Epi, not MP.

My post was actually in response to TH and the others who were seeming to be gearing up for an MP lynch

#447

Turnip Head wrote:Interesting Epi. I've noticed you've been relatively quiet on the matter. What makes you say that?

Civilians lose because they post but do not pay attention. How many people will be here Friday evening EST voting but with little information? It's a lot like America, no?

If you put a handful of votes on MP, the "OMG I HAVE TO VOTE SO I DON'T MISS IT" crowd will vote MP or whoever is second. The early game civilian mentality is, unfortunately, the same as the Mafia's: "Anybody but me."

I reject that thinking. An evildoer can be caught on Day 1, but it requires diligence. I pay attention, even if I do choose to say little. MP has gotten lynched in the past two full games on Day 1 because I called him on it. Yes, me. Do you think I would hesitate to make it three in a row?

Leave MP alone.

++++

Look, I'll break it down in a different way. For this game for a moment.

MP kicked up the most dust. That in itself is not surprising. I think his "gambit" (was that what that was?) was gauche and wildly inappropriate. It does him no favor, BUT you fuckers are talking, and that was a stated objective. Good on him.

MP also has a tell. I've even told him what it was. I've not seen it here. Obviously that doesn't mean he couldn't be trying really hard. But I'm not going to go after someone who has learned from his errors.

"Ah! Perhaps you are PM's teammate!" Would that it were so: MP and I have never been on a team together. Were it true, do you think Day 1 would look like this?

++++

On a final but unrelated matter, to those wanting me out, relax. Whether I am good or bad, you shall get your wish. There are two bad teams in this and a pissed off independent. One of them will have me out, and that right soon. Even if I am bad, you'd be wasting a lynch. It's so funny it hurts to laugh!

Why?

Because I am Dr. WHOopass.

#448

Epignosis wrote: Even if I am bad, you'd be wasting a lynch. It's so funny it hurts to laugh!

Why?

Because I am Dr. WHOopass.

I'm just going to pretend that this play style is something that i pioneered if that's cool with everyone

.

As for your argument, were you the first to voice the idea that you and MP were on a team? I don't remember hearing anyone else suggest that.

#449

#450

hey nikki what the fuck

24 Hour Days?