This is ilario's first (technically second, but whatever) time playing with me, so it's natural for him to assume the default New To Me position.
This is not your first time playing with me, Marmot.
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This is ilario's first (technically second, but whatever) time playing with me, so it's natural for him to assume the default New To Me position.
Okay, it seems that everyone is uneasy on him so I’ll give it a reread. Can you meet me halfway and talk me through your reads on lc and sloonei.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:48 amIf you’re town I understand why you’re not sure of some prior town reads. I am experiencing some similar turbulence. I think you’re taking the tinfoil the wrong direction though (certainly in my case), and I believe SoA needs a more rigorous reassessment. He may yet be town, but I don’t think his posts are that hard for mafia to make.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 amFell off today but still towny enoughJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am I think Johanna seems town.
@ilario what is your present view of Son of Anarch?
I will. In fact I have a large analysis project coming this afternoon or evening. I am sick of the confusion and want progress.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:51 amOkay, it seems that everyone is uneasy on him so I’ll give it a reread. Can you meet me halfway and talk me through your reads on lc and sloonei.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:48 amIf you’re town I understand why you’re not sure of some prior town reads. I am experiencing some similar turbulence. I think you’re taking the tinfoil the wrong direction though (certainly in my case), and I believe SoA needs a more rigorous reassessment. He may yet be town, but I don’t think his posts are that hard for mafia to make.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 amFell off today but still towny enoughJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am I think Johanna seems town.
@ilario what is your present view of Son of Anarch?
Good point RE: TSP.Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:44 amNot many people have posted reads list on D2 so far and he was definitely high in the townreads of most lists D1.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:37 am I don't think Lime Coke is a consensus town read. I'm iffy on him, at the very least.
No one has anything to read G-man off of. He is a suspect by virtue of not being able to be town-read.
Is TSP just a "lock" because of his claim?
Marmot should be a fairly memorable player. He's been around. I'd recommend perusing his ISO.
TSP is not technically lock but if he's lying about it it will self-resolve. I think his attitude towards the mechanics (encouraging false claims d1) has been vastly more pro-town than ANYTHING that ANYONE ELSE has done so far. He's been kind of cryptic but I don't know that that's an uncommon trait.
And PRECISELY because Marmot has been around and yet nothing he has said or done are in any way shape or form memorable or remarkable, despite you saying that they should be, makes me think something's off.
I'm not the first person to remark on his seemingly ethereal quality.
Lc is probably scum tbhSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:49 amWhy have Jay and I slid in your view? Either individually or as the unit that we are.
Also I am interested in your Lime Coke thoughts.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:49 amThe purpose of my questions for Johanna is to develop my read on her. We have barely gotten started, thus my read on her has not changed.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:47 amSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:46 amTBD.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 amYes, but has your read on her changed?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:41 amI'm aware she has been talking. I'm trying to engage her directly because that's the most helpful way for me to read folks, especially when they are new to me.
What is your read on her?
I think she's town.
Why is she town?
I do wish you would be as cooperative as you expect Axehole to be.
Why is she town?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
That is not an unfair thought process. But I am town, and I am confident at the present that Jay is too.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.
You don't read like a new player. I don't think anyone reasonable would assume that you were.
He was one of my very first srs btw
Because I suspect you, and talking to her about a player I suspect can potentially give me quality about each of you.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:00 pm
Correct, this is not my first time playing with you.
Similarly.
This is not your first time playing with me.
Why do you want Johanna to look at and talk about me?
I'm just laughing at the guy who's voting him having bad reads.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pmThat is not an unfair thought process. But I am town, and I am confident at the present that Jay is too.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.
I will not ask you to adopt a town read on either of if it is not what you feel in your heart. But I think, rather than dealing in accusations, we talk about that aforementioned POE. You say you have not felt comfortable with the direction it has been going. Excluding Jay and myself (for the sake of this mental exercise), what other changes would you make?
Vote:lcNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:02 pmI'm just laughing at the guy who's voting him having bad reads.
I had a judgment about her entry in the thread on Day 2, but that was hardly a developed read. I placed a snap vote on her to emphasize this position and indicate that she is a person of interest for me to start the day.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 am Sure. You did make a read and place a vote on her earlier today. So your read did take some shape without any interaction. Why do you feel that interaction is necessary to answer this question?
I think her shift from her original uncomfortable-looking catchup post to hitting the ground running today look good for her. I'm willing to accept that there's an explanation for the discomfort in that catchup post aside from "she is mafia".
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:53 am For everyone:
We all communicate in different ways. We have to identify how people operate and then respect those modes as well as we can.
Continually circling over how we’re frustrating each other isn’t going to make this game thread productive. Let people do what they do, and if it’s not working for you (the general “you”) then try to adapt yourself instead of spamming someone into your own communicative box.
Just base advisement. Take or leave. The game isn’t terribly comfortable right now, and I think that’s the first step toward changing that.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
The key word is relative btw. You would have picked up on that if you actually bother to read things properly. The 60 games she has probably doesn’t compare with sloonei and jjj have. But knowing that she does have that many games makes me more doubtful on her nowNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pmYou don't read like a new player. I don't think anyone reasonable would assume that you were.
I am specifically asking about what you perceived the POE to be at the time that you decided you were uncomfortable with. At the moment you began to distrust SloonJay, what specifically was the source of that distrust?ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:02 pmSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pmThat is not an unfair thought process. But I am town, and I am confident at the present that Jay is too.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.
I will not ask you to adopt a town read on either of if it is not what you feel in your heart. But I think, rather than dealing in accusations, we talk about that aforementioned POE. You say you have not felt comfortable with the direction it has been going. Excluding Jay and myself (for the sake of this mental exercise), what other changes would you make?
Well what’s the current poe looking like fypov ? I’ll tell you what I’ll add in fmpov
Cooperationilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:05 pmThe key word is relative btw. You would have picked up on that if you actually bother to read things properly. The 60 games she has probably doesn’t compare with sloonei and jjj have. But knowing that she does have that many games makes me more doubtful on her nowNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pmYou don't read like a new player. I don't think anyone reasonable would assume that you were.
I got more frustrated with NAA than I liked, so I've decided to try to focus elsehwere.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 pm @Sloonei
I think you’re town. I’m opening with that sentence because I don’t want people taking the following comments and running with them while I am not here.
I do have one concern. I have, at isolated moments, thought you might be laying your shtick on a little thick. Your pokes at NAA seemed to reach beyond a point of standing a chance of helping you “understand”, for example. At a certain point it ought to be clear something isn’t working The Sloonei Way. That’s one example and the most significant. There’ve been a couple others where Sloonei Patience seemed to give way to Sloonei Stubbornness.
Do what you will with those comments I suppose. Does it surprise you that I feel that way? Why might I feel that way? Something something
I’m not clear on what my POE is. That’s certainly a source of discomfort for me. I will sort that soon. I have a vague reads list not too far back in my ISO (on phone currently, hard to reference).Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:05 pmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:53 am For everyone:
We all communicate in different ways. We have to identify how people operate and then respect those modes as well as we can.
Continually circling over how we’re frustrating each other isn’t going to make this game thread productive. Let people do what they do, and if it’s not working for you (the general “you”) then try to adapt yourself instead of spamming someone into your own communicative box.
Just base advisement. Take or leave. The game isn’t terribly comfortable right now, and I think that’s the first step toward changing that.
What does your PoE look like right now?
Do you think the discomfort you're experiencing is primarily from playstyle clashes or from the lack of distinct, consensus suspects, or something else?
I perceived the poe to be mostly the low posters/some combination of gman/dolby/marmot/Johanna/naaSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 pmI am specifically asking about what you perceived the POE to be at the time that you decided you were uncomfortable with. At the moment you began to distrust SloonJay, what specifically was the source of that distrust?ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:02 pmSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pmThat is not an unfair thought process. But I am town, and I am confident at the present that Jay is too.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.
I will not ask you to adopt a town read on either of if it is not what you feel in your heart. But I think, rather than dealing in accusations, we talk about that aforementioned POE. You say you have not felt comfortable with the direction it has been going. Excluding Jay and myself (for the sake of this mental exercise), what other changes would you make?
Well what’s the current poe looking like fypov ? I’ll tell you what I’ll add in fmpov
The way to not be frustrated is to be a good sheep.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:09 pmI got more frustrated with NAA than I liked, so I've decided to try to focus elsehwere.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 pm @Sloonei
I think you’re town. I’m opening with that sentence because I don’t want people taking the following comments and running with them while I am not here.
I do have one concern. I have, at isolated moments, thought you might be laying your shtick on a little thick. Your pokes at NAA seemed to reach beyond a point of standing a chance of helping you “understand”, for example. At a certain point it ought to be clear something isn’t working The Sloonei Way. That’s one example and the most significant. There’ve been a couple others where Sloonei Patience seemed to give way to Sloonei Stubbornness.
Do what you will with those comments I suppose. Does it surprise you that I feel that way? Why might I feel that way? Something something
I do not know what the last sentence of your big paragraph means.
I would rank the Johanna and naa pretty highly
What do you typically scum read for players like Lime Coke?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:16 pm It would REALLY help me if I could hear in clear terms an answer to the following:
Why is Lime Coke mafia?
I seriously do not know. What’s the problem? Y’all could be right. It has felt to me like RVS-period problems just never disappeared in his case for some people no matter what he posted. I am sure tge case is more nuanced than that.
So help me out, please and thank you.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Honestly the way he read me originally felt more like he felt like he should be townreading me rather than him actually believing that he trd me. And I think he added some paranoia to make the read seem more believableJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:16 pm It would REALLY help me if I could hear in clear terms an answer to the following:
Why is Lime Coke mafia?
I seriously do not know. What’s the problem? Y’all could be right. It has felt to me like RVS-period problems just never disappeared in his case for some people no matter what he posted. I am sure tge case is more nuanced than that.
So help me out, please and thank you.
1. I don't remember shading you. I went back to read my early posts. If you are referring to this post, it was not meant as shade. I had no read on you one way or another at a time when others were announcing town reads on you. I wanted to know why that was happening.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:13 pm The source of the distrust was that 1. I found your opening shade of me to ping me 2. I found that jjj commenting that I would poison spf as something potentially he did as mafia to frame me 3. I felt like you were asking some questions just for the sake of asking questions and I couldn’t tell what direction you were going with those questions (eg who we thoufht the watcher report will be) 4. I still think lc is scummy so jjj taking him out of the poe yesterday pinged me
Marmot not with Sloonei.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:18 pm
Could you expound on your suspicion of me just so everyone's on the same page?
Looking through your ISO, I've seen you ask me a number of questions about things that I have said, but your reasons for voting me are often the same:
No good reason, I just don't like all the votes on sig and feel like Marmot can get some attention too.
Poll diversity. You have not earned a town read yet, but you have not been a big topic of discussion either.
At present I am not uncomfortable voting for either marmot or sig. it is slightly worrying that I don’t have any names beyond those two.
We seem to be circling around Marmot and sig as our primary options for today, but neither has an overwhelming case against them.
I put my vote on Marmot a while ago because sig had all the votes and there was no productive reason for me to leave mine there. Marmot was next in line for some scrutiny.
There is a common theme here that I have perceived, that you want to push my name for discussion but have not voiced a suspicion about anything that I've done. Is this intentional? Or am I missing something?
It was something you said at the start of this day phase, though the fact that you don’t remember it might be mildly villagery since I would expect mafia to be more hyper aware of their shading.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:18 pm1. I don't remember shading you. I went back to read my early posts. If you are referring to this post, it was not meant as shade. I had no read on you one way or another at a time when others were announcing town reads on you. I wanted to know why that was happening.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:13 pm The source of the distrust was that 1. I found your opening shade of me to ping me 2. I found that jjj commenting that I would poison spf as something potentially he did as mafia to frame me 3. I felt like you were asking some questions just for the sake of asking questions and I couldn’t tell what direction you were going with those questions (eg who we thoufht the watcher report will be) 4. I still think lc is scummy so jjj taking him out of the poe yesterday pinged me
2. Jay can answer that for himself if he wants.
3. Yeah I get that a lot. I'm going somewhere. I was admittedly trying to grill Marmot a little harder with the TSP/Watcher stuff last night. But I think it can be a fruitful line of discussion in any context. I can and will elaborate in a post shortly.
4. I'm on board with having Lime Coke in the POE. I think Jay has slid toward that position as well today.
There was a point at which I thought your handling of sig yesterday looked vaguely bad, but I never got around to articulating it and felt better about voting for sig anyway.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:18 pm
Could you expound on your suspicion of me just so everyone's on the same page?
Looking through your ISO, I've seen you ask me a number of questions about things that I have said, but your reasons for voting me are often the same:
No good reason, I just don't like all the votes on sig and feel like Marmot can get some attention too.
Poll diversity. You have not earned a town read yet, but you have not been a big topic of discussion either.
At present I am not uncomfortable voting for either marmot or sig. it is slightly worrying that I don’t have any names beyond those two.
We seem to be circling around Marmot and sig as our primary options for today, but neither has an overwhelming case against them.
I put my vote on Marmot a while ago because sig had all the votes and there was no productive reason for me to leave mine there. Marmot was next in line for some scrutiny.
There is a common theme here that I have perceived, that you want to push my name for discussion but have not voiced a suspicion about anything that I've done. Is this intentional? Or am I missing something?
Haha, I was thinking something similarJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:16 pm It would REALLY help me if I could hear in clear terms an answer to the following:
Why is Lime Coke mafia?
I seriously do not know. What’s the problem? Y’all could be right. It has felt to me like RVS-period problems just never disappeared in his case for some people no matter what he posted. I am sure tge case is more nuanced than that.
So help me out, please and thank you.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:26 pm So the last page was SoA vs Sig which I kind of see looking better for SoA based on Sig's weird mis-informed defense.
I saw the stuff with TSP and JJJ. Overall not sure what to think of TSP. He's meme'y which was kind of what he was in Buckets, which he was town there.
I think my town list remains how it was, I didn't pick up anything new, but nothing fell off or made me question anything. So I'm fine read wise.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Team Too Much <3G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:30 am Thoughts through page 10:
DOLBY
DYSLEXICON
-whole entry to the game was just weird. Don’t recall if this is typical but it feels a little too much. Do not agree with assessment of SPF
-So. Much. Thread-spew! Not enough foundation behind all that glitter.
-254&255: now it simmers down
-275: Waffle House reads
-280: Why play with forced restraint?
-286: Fair criticism, but also sets up a huge bias
-351: “I am intentionally not going to play the way I tend to play”
-373: something concrete is something
-401: hedgy
FALCON
-323: I concur about pingy
-354: scum reads with no meat
-363: agreed
ILARIO
-77: post count padding? Quite agreeable
-113: too much emphasis on entrance (not limited to just ilario)
-192: a little too forward-thinking and helpful without focusing on the here and now
-304: way too soft an acceptance of Dys
-337: rather over-explainy
JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
-56: could be supa-jay but feels too jabbery
-93: more like real Jay
-101: less twang and more neil hartley please
-152: good points but nai
-158: i thought the same; unclear how this makes me feel
-277: this feels slimy
-390: soft pass for NAA
-443: so why bother writing it?
JOHANNA
LIME COKE
-68: a lot to glean from so little
-434: a bit brash and over the top
-440: drifting into ATE?
MARMOT
-184: sassy burn?
NAA
-312: derp?
-437: yes and no
SIG
-291: lol sig
SLOONEI
-72: sassy interesting. Disingenuous?
-125: true
-419: bingo
SOA
-39: experienced player- no passes needed (come at me?)
-41: can’t describe own play style? Odd.
-61: seeking pat on the head or open fishing- don’t force the lure
-63: “interesting” and agreeable
-88: over-equipped try-hard
-148: a bit Mac-like? Hard to pin this personality down
-355: speaking of magnifying things…
-453: feels like too much to explain what it does
SPF
-64: good questions
-69: also good
-111: color me intrigued
-164: ew adverbs; meh
TSP
-317: TR’s sig
-463: lol Tony
Notes before post #201 were recorded before the night post. Everything after that has the benefit of reading both Sig and SPF as town.
More later as I work through it.
Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:44 amNot many people have posted reads list on D2 so far and he was definitely high in the townreads of most lists D1.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:37 am I don't think Lime Coke is a consensus town read. I'm iffy on him, at the very least.
No one has anything to read G-man off of. He is a suspect by virtue of not being able to be town-read.
Is TSP just a "lock" because of his claim?
Marmot should be a fairly memorable player. He's been around. I'd recommend perusing his ISO.
TSP is not technically lock but if he's lying about it it will self-resolve. I think his attitude towards the mechanics (encouraging false claims d1) has been vastly more pro-town than ANYTHING that ANYONE ELSE has done so far. He's been kind of cryptic but I don't know that that's an uncommon trait.
And PRECISELY because Marmot has been around and yet nothing he has said or done are in any way shape or form memorable or remarkable, despite you saying that they should be, makes me think something's off.
I'm not the first person to remark on his seemingly ethereal quality.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.