Baby Mafia (TOWN WIN)

[Luckbox Inc]

Let me give you a helping hand.

You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?

I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.

But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.

Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..

I think people calling our dynamic out as weird are weird.

I scumread his early posts. Then I realized he had the exact same reads as me so I townread him.

This is normal and it is questionable to try to pretend like it's a sketchy dynamic.

Also, given that Dizzy made his reads before I made mine, and I townread Dizzy because his reads that were already in the thread matched up with my own thoughts as I caught up, what makes you think that Dizzy is the one trying to pocket/egg me on?

Re your approach to Dizzy: that's all fine and reasonable.

It's Dizzy's approach to you and the way Dizzy started clearing you basically instantly that I find odd. And some of that might be because in the only other game I played with you the two of you together, Dizzy tunneled you for the entire game, but it seems odd that you would get an insta-clear.

uhhhhh you mean the game where he was scum?

yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.

[Millium]

@Mizery
how much do you care about that vote on me?

[Millium]

ohh u changed ur vote, nvm

[Millium]

@Luckbox Inc
@Alison
im giving luckbox for leeway here, they said they would explain their Alison vote at some point, im not all too worried about them
But from what I recalled Alison still has not said why Gira is obvious town

[Millium]

@Luckbox Inc
@Alison
im giving luckbox for leeway here, they said they would explain their Alison vote at some point, im not all too worried about them
But from what I recalled Alison still has not said why Gira is obvious town

obvious wolf*

[Millium]

@Alison
why do u think I have TMI on Gira's slot?

[Luckbox Inc]

@Luckbox Inc
@Alison
im giving luckbox for leeway here, they said they would explain their Alison vote at some point, im not all too worried about them
But from what I recalled Alison still has not said why Gira is obvious town

At some point I should probably be concerned about all the errors and misunderstandings/etc that you're making.

But 1) I'm not voting Alison and haven't decided if she's a wolf or not. 2) I'm voting Wilgy, 3) I never said that Gira was obvious town.

[Luckbox Inc]

@Luckbox Inc
@Alison
im giving luckbox for leeway here, they said they would explain their Alison vote at some point, im not all too worried about them
But from what I recalled Alison still has not said why Gira is obvious town

obvious wolf*

ok that helps lol

[Millium]

i type my fast, my brain is weird, idk
also @Luckbox Inc I meant to say Dr Wigly in regards to you, not alison

[EnderWiggin]

The only reason that dissonance exists is because you and ender are playing in a way that makes this game unfun for me to interact with, so my posts are being less about solving and more about being oetty

Meh. If my poetry made it unfun, sorry. Not intended. Was trying to be quirky and fun since my brain otherwise isn't co-operating.

I'll drop it then.

[EnderWiggin]

Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far

Also now I'm not rhyming, this is a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier.

I expressed that I thought Nanook was townier. This is my process as I try to sort the game. Could I be wrong? Sure, but my experience tends towards that.

You post this, as if me townreading Nanook was not allowed or offensive. Discrediting or trying to nullify reads in earlygame.

Could it be personality clash, sure, but tell me:
Why do you need to point out how you disagree with every lean that crosses your desk?

[Luckbox Inc]

i type my fast, my brain is weird, idk
also @Luckbox Inc I meant to say Dr Wigly in regards to you, not alison

Yeah I got to like page 4 in rereading this morning but then got involved in real-time interactions and stopped, but I'll get back to it-- but I didn't see anything from the early Wilgy posts that should be lock-clearing, although I don't think their posts are horrible either-- they just seem like they could easily be coming from a wolf. Going to cook some breakfast and then I'll finish reading and/or ISO Wilgy and reassess.

[EnderWiggin]

People have about 20 minutes before my migraine meds knock me on my bed to sweet release if they wanna ask me something.

[Millium]

its definitely a meta clash, but in terms of Nanook
I dont see what you are saying when you say, "He is doing things"

[EnderWiggin]

its definitely a meta clash, but in terms of Nanook
I dont see what you are saying when you say, "He is doing things"

He is doing contrary things.

Nanook is tendant towards diplomatic play when scum.

There is a slight warning bell in that he also likes to establish an early pocket when scum (Lookin' at you Gav) but overall more rand!v

His funniness is appreciated but irrelevant to this impression.

[EnderWiggin]

Oversimplification of my reads is possibly because I was trying to impress them in staggered stanza.

[Millium]

i type my fast, my brain is weird, idk
also @Luckbox Inc I meant to say Dr Wigly in regards to you, not alison

Yeah I got to like page 4 in rereading this morning but then got involved in real-time interactions and stopped, but I'll get back to it-- but I didn't see anything from the early Wilgy posts that should be lock-clearing, although I don't think their posts are horrible either-- they just seem like they could easily be coming from a wolf. Going to cook some breakfast and then I'll finish reading and/or ISO Wilgy and reassess.

since you are more familiar with this site, and I have no intention of talking to Alison until she answers my questions
how polarized is Wigly's meta?
also I expected a read that wasn't "I don't think he should be lock clear, but I also don't think his posts are horrible, but I think he could easily be a wolf here"
like that isn't the kind of read that I would expect you to vote on, and be so eager to kill off other's town reads of them

[EnderWiggin]

i type my fast, my brain is weird, idk
also @Luckbox Inc I meant to say Dr Wigly in regards to you, not alison

Yeah I got to like page 4 in rereading this morning but then got involved in real-time interactions and stopped, but I'll get back to it-- but I didn't see anything from the early Wilgy posts that should be lock-clearing, although I don't think their posts are horrible either-- they just seem like they could easily be coming from a wolf. Going to cook some breakfast and then I'll finish reading and/or ISO Wilgy and reassess.

since you are more familiar with this site, and I have no intention of talking to Alison until she answers my questions
how polarized is Wigly's meta?
also I expected a read that wasn't "I don't think he should be lock clear, but I also don't think his posts are horrible, but I think he could easily be a wolf here"
like that isn't the kind of read that I would expect you to vote on, and be so eager to kill off other's town reads of them

It's not.

Anyone who says it is be trying to sell you something.

Something that is probably less effective than painkillers to a bad migraine.

[EnderWiggin]

I think he has most games won this year so far too?

[EnderWiggin]

Anyway body shutting down.

Will see you all much closer to EOD.

[Alison]

The only reason that dissonance exists is because you and ender are playing in a way that makes this game unfun for me to interact with, so my posts are being less about solving and more about being oetty

Why, because we suspect you?

[Alison]

yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.

You've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.

In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.

[Alison]

I just don't understand why seeing Dizzy tunnel me when he is mafia means that it is odd for him to insta-clear me in a different game.

[Alison]

@Luckbox Inc
@Alison
im giving luckbox for leeway here, they said they would explain their Alison vote at some point, im not all too worried about them
But from what I recalled Alison still has not said why Gira is obvious town

obvious wolf*

I did, about two posts down from the initial question.

[Alison]

@Alison
why do u think I have TMI on Gira's slot?

I don't. I'm playing around the possibility.

[Millium]

its definitely a meta clash, but in terms of Nanook
I dont see what you are saying when you say, "He is doing things"

He is doing contrary things.

Nanook is tendant towards diplomatic play when scum.

There is a slight warning bell in that he also likes to establish an early pocket when scum (Lookin' at you Gav) but overall more rand!v

His funniness is appreciated but irrelevant to this impression.

is the thread direction set, to even argue, "contrary things" though?
(the picking gaviel to sheep, seeing gaviel is voting himself, and then voting there, is definitely something, that's for sure)
what do you mean by diplomatic?
I can agree with 3, just not the rand!v part

[Millium]

@Luckbox Inc
@Alison
im giving luckbox for leeway here, they said they would explain their Alison vote at some point, im not all too worried about them
But from what I recalled Alison still has not said why Gira is obvious town

obvious wolf*

I did, about two posts down from the initial question.

ok ill go take a look, thanks

[Alison]

Wisp is being way too uncooperative. They are openly refusing to solve or talk to people because they are "tilted" at being scumread and Ender's rhyming gimmick.

Let's kill them.

[EnderWiggin]

its definitely a meta clash, but in terms of Nanook
I dont see what you are saying when you say, "He is doing things"

He is doing contrary things.

Nanook is tendant towards diplomatic play when scum.

There is a slight warning bell in that he also likes to establish an early pocket when scum (Lookin' at you Gav) but overall more rand!v

His funniness is appreciated but irrelevant to this impression.

is the thread direction set, to even argue, "contrary things" though?
(the picking gaviel to sheep, seeing gaviel is voting himself, and then voting there, is definitely something, that's for sure)
what do you mean by diplomatic?
I can agree with 3, just not the rand!v part

Contrary things don't require cohesive threadstate wut.

And diplomatic is exactly that. He plays calm and doesn't throw wrenches like the Gav vote shenanigans.

[EnderWiggin]

I feel like half of Alison's POE is town by my readings but half I agree with so idk where to put her but hey I'm not gonna complain just yet.

[EnderWiggin]

Y'all are nerds and I love you.

Don't get migraines.

Not worth it.

Night.

[EnderWiggin]

Especially you Tess. You're a nerd.

[Millium]

The only reason that dissonance exists is because you and ender are playing in a way that makes this game unfun for me to interact with, so my posts are being less about solving and more about being oetty

Why, because we suspect you?

people suspect my town game all the time, so no, that's irrelevant
personally I could even add Dizzy to the list, and he hasn't even talked about me from what I remember
Ender was there because trying to shift through his poems was starting to get a bit frustrating while he was jabbing me over and over
because one my attention span is 0, and I am not wasting it trying to interpret what someone is saying

you/Dizzy/Dr Wigly should all be on that list, but if you guys are all town, and good at what you do, than what I do is irrelevant

[Luckbox Inc]

People have about 20 minutes before my migraine meds knock me on my bed to sweet release if they wanna ask me something.

Woah ok. Can you talk about Gira and Willgy please?

[Millium]

its definitely a meta clash, but in terms of Nanook
I dont see what you are saying when you say, "He is doing things"

He is doing contrary things.

Nanook is tendant towards diplomatic play when scum.

There is a slight warning bell in that he also likes to establish an early pocket when scum (Lookin' at you Gav) but overall more rand!v

His funniness is appreciated but irrelevant to this impression.

is the thread direction set, to even argue, "contrary things" though?
(the picking gaviel to sheep, seeing gaviel is voting himself, and then voting there, is definitely something, that's for sure)
what do you mean by diplomatic?
I can agree with 3, just not the rand!v part

Contrary things don't require cohesive threadstate wut.

And diplomatic is exactly that. He plays calm and doesn't throw wrenches like the Gav vote shenanigans.

to each their own I guess
I will continue to see how he plays

[Luckbox Inc]

yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.

You've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.

In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.

I just don't understand why seeing Dizzy tunnel me when he is mafia means that it is odd for him to insta-clear me in a different game.

Yeah I've never seen it, but since I wasn't inclined to insta-clear you I'm not sure why anyone else would be either, and I wouldn't expect that Dizzy would be so polarized in his approach to you either-- so my thoughts there seem pretty reasonable.

[Gavial]

Let me give you a helping hand.

You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?

I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.

But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.

Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..

I think people calling our dynamic out as weird are weird.

I scumread his early posts. Then I realized he had the exact same reads as me so I townread him.

This is normal and it is questionable to try to pretend like it's a sketchy dynamic.

Also, given that Dizzy made his reads before I made mine, and I townread Dizzy because his reads that were already in the thread matched up with my own thoughts as I caught up, what makes you think that Dizzy is the one trying to pocket/egg me on?

I think what really bothers me about you is the fact you say if Dizzy votes Gira and Gira flips Red, Dizzy is “Probably Town”, then in the next post you call them “Probably Town” anyways.

Someone can be townie for two reasons. I don't get this.

Instead of trying to see where they place their next vote or if they would ever consider voting Gira (your scum read.) you just decide to call them “probably town” anyway for town reading another person to add to their towncore?
That’s null AF to me.
As I said before the only logical reason you can townread that is because scum Could push Wigly from their post they made but that’s the key word “Could” doesn’t mean they would or absolutely need to.

[Alison]

I feel like half of Alison's POE is town by my readings but half I agree with so idk where to put her but hey I'm not gonna complain just yet.

Who is town in my POE?

[Alison]

yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.

You've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.

In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.

I just don't understand why seeing Dizzy tunnel me when he is mafia means that it is odd for him to insta-clear me in a different game.

Yeah I've never seen it, but since I wasn't inclined to insta-clear you I'm not sure why anyone else would be either, and I wouldn't expect that Dizzy would be so polarized in his approach to you either-- so my thoughts there seem pretty reasonable.

What makes you think Dizzy wouldn't be polarized?

Why would you be surprised at you not being inclined to insta-clear me but someone else being inclined to do so when you don't know how much meta they have with me? For all you know Dizzy and I have a thousand games together and he knows how to read my town tells very well.

[Alison]

Instead of trying to see where they place their next vote or if they would ever consider voting Gira (your scum read.) you just decide to call them “probably town” anyway for town reading another person to add to their towncore?
That’s null AF to me.
As I said before the only logical reason you can townread that is because scum Could push Wigly from their post they made but that’s the key word “Could” doesn’t mean they would or absolutely need to.

They are undermining Gira with that post, which is why I felt they were unaligned.

[Gavial]

Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far

Also now I'm not rhyming, this is a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier.

I expressed that I thought Nanook was townier. This is my process as I try to sort the game. Could I be wrong? Sure, but my experience tends towards that.

You post this, as if me townreading Nanook was not allowed or offensive. Discrediting or trying to nullify reads in earlygame.

Could it be personality clash, sure, but tell me:
Why do you need to point out how you disagree with every lean that crosses your desk?

How dare you drop those amazing Poets!

[Gavial]

You know what, he’s what I’m gonna do.
I’m gonna vote Dizzy and if Dizzy wants me to move my vote they are gonna need to move off of Falcon!

[Luckbox Inc]

yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.

You've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.

In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.

I just don't understand why seeing Dizzy tunnel me when he is mafia means that it is odd for him to insta-clear me in a different game.

Yeah I've never seen it, but since I wasn't inclined to insta-clear you I'm not sure why anyone else would be either, and I wouldn't expect that Dizzy would be so polarized in his approach to you either-- so my thoughts there seem pretty reasonable.

What makes you think Dizzy wouldn't be polarized?

Why would you be surprised at you not being inclined to insta-clear me but someone else being inclined to do so when you don't know how much meta they have with me? For all you know Dizzy and I have a thousand games together and he knows how to read my town tells very well.

Wolfy post really.

[Gavial]

I feel like half of Alison's POE is town by my readings but half I agree with so idk where to put her but hey I'm not gonna complain just yet.

Who is town in my POE?

[Gavial]

yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.

You've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.

In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.

I just don't understand why seeing Dizzy tunnel me when he is mafia means that it is odd for him to insta-clear me in a different game.

Yeah I've never seen it, but since I wasn't inclined to insta-clear you I'm not sure why anyone else would be either, and I wouldn't expect that Dizzy would be so polarized in his approach to you either-- so my thoughts there seem pretty reasonable.

What makes you think Dizzy wouldn't be polarized?

Why would you be surprised at you not being inclined to insta-clear me but someone else being inclined to do so when you don't know how much meta they have with me? For all you know Dizzy and I have a thousand games together and he knows how to read my town tells very well.

Wolfy post really.

Hey Luck, what’s your read on Dizzy?
I noticed you seemed to be fine with them having you and them in a towncore so did you townread them at that point and do you still town read them now?

[Gira]

you believe this is a good town indicator off a single post townreading someone on early day 1? that seems like a post it'd take ~no effort to fake

Yes and you are mad because you are wolf and don't want townies finding each other.

you are incredibly tedious

[Alison]

yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.

You've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.

In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.

I just don't understand why seeing Dizzy tunnel me when he is mafia means that it is odd for him to insta-clear me in a different game.

Yeah I've never seen it, but since I wasn't inclined to insta-clear you I'm not sure why anyone else would be either, and I wouldn't expect that Dizzy would be so polarized in his approach to you either-- so my thoughts there seem pretty reasonable.

What makes you think Dizzy wouldn't be polarized?

Why would you be surprised at you not being inclined to insta-clear me but someone else being inclined to do so when you don't know how much meta they have with me? For all you know Dizzy and I have a thousand games together and he knows how to read my town tells very well.

Wolfy post really.

Nah.

Your point is complete bunk and you are refusing to admit it.

I am happy to tdome you if you continually refuse to follow basic logic.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

[Gira]

I like how every single person I suspected early has been making nonsensical votes for nonsensical reasoning. I'm down to just kill all of Gira/Wisp/Luckbox/Mizery and if there isn't 2+ scum in there y'all can vote me off.

rather just kill you now tbqh because you're scum or obnoxious and unproductive

[Millium]

The reason why Gira is outed is very simple. They don't believe in anything they say and are flatly and disinterestedly doing what they perceive a townie "should" be doing.

what