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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Alison wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:20 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:20 pm Wisp is probably town.

Gonna do this instead:
[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine
For what?
Process.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Wolves, especially ones that have been backed into a corner, don't often turn around and processing players properly like a town would.

But that's exactly what Wisp did, including citing/checking other games they weren't part of.

And on top of that, those citations were along what I was thinking as well. Partially at least.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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falcon45ca wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:38 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:21 pm maybe Falcon is a wolf for asking nonsensical questions
Why does it feel to you all the wolves are afk?



If the wolves are afk, it follows that you think the players who are posting are town, ya?



So do you think scum can't come across as town?



Honestly, for a player who's been in the game as much as you have, to only have Wilgy and AFKs as scum is concerning.
Why can't the wolves just be Wilgy and afks? Is there some sort of rule against that?
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Alison wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:58 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:11 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:48 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:47 pm I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow btw.

I have a job interview in the morning and then after that I'm going camping-- so I'll mostly just be on my phone-- so it's good I'm getting clears.

Let's figure out who wolves are now though
Gluck on the interview.

What're your thoughts on wolves other than Wilgy rn?

If you ignore Wilgy, pick 3 you'd push right now.
Well it's a weird game because it feels like all the wolves must be LHF or afk. Really the only person I'm interested in pushing is Wigly-- there are reasons to not push pretty much everyone else who is semi-active (not including Mizery who falls into the LHF category)-- so my GTH wolf team is pretty much Wigly, Mizery, and then one of Lime Coke/Tess. And it's a pretty slim chance that that is correct-- and so maybe Alison is just a wolf after all but I don't really think that-- although I think that will become more clear pretty soon, and I've never seen your wolf game either so you'll have to tell me what it's like. After that I'm out of guesses.
Remind me again why Wisp is town?
Wilgy seems to be in his own world enough in ways that are pretty villagery.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:21 pm
Alison wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:20 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:20 pm Wisp is probably town.

Gonna do this instead:
[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine
For what?
Process.
The meta blitz?

I'm not townreading him for that.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Mizery only has bonk mafia, he was town, the play is about the same as this game so far?
but I don't think I am going to lean him town, in the same way I leaned Dizzy as a wolf for his play in the game I iso'd

Mizery needs to do more
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:25 pm
Alison wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:58 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:11 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:48 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:47 pm I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow btw.

I have a job interview in the morning and then after that I'm going camping-- so I'll mostly just be on my phone-- so it's good I'm getting clears.

Let's figure out who wolves are now though
Gluck on the interview.

What're your thoughts on wolves other than Wilgy rn?

If you ignore Wilgy, pick 3 you'd push right now.
Well it's a weird game because it feels like all the wolves must be LHF or afk. Really the only person I'm interested in pushing is Wigly-- there are reasons to not push pretty much everyone else who is semi-active (not including Mizery who falls into the LHF category)-- so my GTH wolf team is pretty much Wigly, Mizery, and then one of Lime Coke/Tess. And it's a pretty slim chance that that is correct-- and so maybe Alison is just a wolf after all but I don't really think that-- although I think that will become more clear pretty soon, and I've never seen your wolf game either so you'll have to tell me what it's like. After that I'm out of guesses.
Remind me again why Wisp is town?
Wilgy seems to be in his own world enough in ways that are pretty villagery.
Wisp, not Wilgy I mean
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:25 pm
Alison wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:58 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:11 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:48 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:47 pm I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow btw.

I have a job interview in the morning and then after that I'm going camping-- so I'll mostly just be on my phone-- so it's good I'm getting clears.

Let's figure out who wolves are now though
Gluck on the interview.

What're your thoughts on wolves other than Wilgy rn?

If you ignore Wilgy, pick 3 you'd push right now.
Well it's a weird game because it feels like all the wolves must be LHF or afk. Really the only person I'm interested in pushing is Wigly-- there are reasons to not push pretty much everyone else who is semi-active (not including Mizery who falls into the LHF category)-- so my GTH wolf team is pretty much Wigly, Mizery, and then one of Lime Coke/Tess. And it's a pretty slim chance that that is correct-- and so maybe Alison is just a wolf after all but I don't really think that-- although I think that will become more clear pretty soon, and I've never seen your wolf game either so you'll have to tell me what it's like. After that I'm out of guesses.
Remind me again why Wisp is town?
Wilgy seems to be in his own world enough in ways that are pretty villagery.
Expand on that.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Wisp wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:51 pm Lol, thanks, again I'm sorry for asking that question and over and over, but you finally gave me the answer I was looking for.

I'm quite sure once I read wigly's iso, he will be null pushing towards wolfy, but that was never the point of my question.

Don't get me wrong I am not against killing low posters on day 1, I just don't think your push Matches your read on him. We will see tho
This post in particular comes across really villagery to me. It's sort of funny because he didn't ask the question over and over, I just responded to it three times-- but the thought process behind it seems pretty villagery.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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My POE is just LC/Mizery/Tess/Wisp right now. Nanook slightly above them, and then everyone else is someone I have some reason or other to townread.

I still think Wisp is scum but he must have partners so I'm happy to look into the rest of the POE.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:29 pm
Wisp wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:51 pm Lol, thanks, again I'm sorry for asking that question and over and over, but you finally gave me the answer I was looking for.

I'm quite sure once I read wigly's iso, he will be null pushing towards wolfy, but that was never the point of my question.

Don't get me wrong I am not against killing low posters on day 1, I just don't think your push Matches your read on him. We will see tho
This post in particular comes across really villagery to me. It's sort of funny because he didn't ask the question over and over, I just responded to it three times-- but the thought process behind it seems pretty villagery.
Hmm.

You know Wilgy's meta, right? Why do you think he would aggro you so easily if he was wolf?
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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I take it back Luckbox can be town
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear.
Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings…
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Town:
Dr Wigly
Falcon
Gaviel
Luck



Null line:
Mizery





Dizzy
Wolves:
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear.
Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings…
you are capable of fighting right to the end of the world.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Alison wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:30 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:29 pm
Wisp wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:51 pm Lol, thanks, again I'm sorry for asking that question and over and over, but you finally gave me the answer I was looking for.

I'm quite sure once I read wigly's iso, he will be null pushing towards wolfy, but that was never the point of my question.

Don't get me wrong I am not against killing low posters on day 1, I just don't think your push Matches your read on him. We will see tho
This post in particular comes across really villagery to me. It's sort of funny because he didn't ask the question over and over, I just responded to it three times-- but the thought process behind it seems pretty villagery.
Hmm.

You know Wilgy's meta, right? Why do you think he would aggro you so easily if he was wolf?
No I don't know Wilgy at all. It's my first time playing with him so interested in hearing whatever you have to say there.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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honestly if Ender is a wolf, his re-evaluation there blows my mind
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear.
Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings…
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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falcon45ca wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:57 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:15 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:23 pm
Gira wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:08 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay
so, like, notably as of this post nanook has given basically no serious reads whatsoever so this is a really weird read
Lmao.

Nanook has expressed in previous games that Gavial's constant requests for people to sheep him are bad for town.

His intentional "LET'S SHEEP GAV" feels like petty Nanook being Petty.

Which is unironically rand!v for him.
I'm not being petty i genuinely want to see what happens
Do you think Gav is town?




Do you just want to see what happens if you 100% sheep Gav, regardless of his alignment?
I think he's likely enough to be town that it isn't gamethrowinf
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:24 pm @tessepia

:(
why sad
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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last night I wrote a lot and it took all my brain power so I didn't want to read the thread (and didn't) and so I learned that writing that much for mafia is too much for smolbrain

So I give up

But eh
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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tessepia wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:59 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:24 pm @tessepia

:(
why sad
you not posting would make anyone sad
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:00 am last night I wrote a lot and it took all my brain power so I didn't want to read the thread (and didn't) and so I learned that writing that much for mafia is too much for smolbrain

So I give up

But eh
Well now I'm sad.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Wisp wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:45 pm honestly if Ender is a wolf, his re-evaluation there blows my mind
Careful. Half my wolf game is just cosplay of my town game =P
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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i'M FEELING HYPED
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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got myself hyped so now to carry it over here
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:00 am last night I wrote a lot and it took all my brain power so I didn't want to read the thread (and didn't) and so I learned that writing that much for mafia is too much for smolbrain

So I give up

But eh
you shoulda RPd on 17th shard smh
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Wisp wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:31 pm Town:
Dr Wigly
Falcon
Gaviel
Luck



Null line:
Mizery





Dizzy
Wolves:
and i wanna stay there
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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my dog is barking at me and making me unhype
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Wisp wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:27 pm [...]
Mizery needs to do more
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:25 pm
Alison wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:58 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:11 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:48 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:47 pm I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow btw.

I have a job interview in the morning and then after that I'm going camping-- so I'll mostly just be on my phone-- so it's good I'm getting clears.

Let's figure out who wolves are now though
Gluck on the interview.

What're your thoughts on wolves other than Wilgy rn?

If you ignore Wilgy, pick 3 you'd push right now.
Well it's a weird game because it feels like all the wolves must be LHF or afk. Really the only person I'm interested in pushing is Wigly-- there are reasons to not push pretty much everyone else who is semi-active (not including Mizery who falls into the LHF category)-- so my GTH wolf team is pretty much Wigly, Mizery, and then one of Lime Coke/Tess. And it's a pretty slim chance that that is correct-- and so maybe Alison is just a wolf after all but I don't really think that-- although I think that will become more clear pretty soon, and I've never seen your wolf game either so you'll have to tell me what it's like. After that I'm out of guesses.
Remind me again why Wisp is town?
Wilgy seems to be in his own world enough in ways that are pretty villagery.
I hate when people say this because I feel like they're never right
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:29 pm
Wisp wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:51 pm Lol, thanks, again I'm sorry for asking that question and over and over, but you finally gave me the answer I was looking for.

I'm quite sure once I read wigly's iso, he will be null pushing towards wolfy, but that was never the point of my question.

Don't get me wrong I am not against killing low posters on day 1, I just don't think your push Matches your read on him. We will see tho
This post in particular comes across really villagery to me. It's sort of funny because he didn't ask the question over and over, I just responded to it three times-- but the thought process behind it seems pretty villagery.
I have no knowledge of what this question is but the fact that they don't remember what they said feels more scummy to me rn because they don't remember what they said but-
uh

because like
uh

look i have a thought process here

wolves actions yadda yadda accusing yadda yadda I'll get back to myself on that
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:24 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:38 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:21 pm maybe Falcon is a wolf for asking nonsensical questions
Why does it feel to you all the wolves are afk?



If the wolves are afk, it follows that you think the players who are posting are town, ya?



So do you think scum can't come across as town?



Honestly, for a player who's been in the game as much as you have, to only have Wilgy and AFKs as scum is concerning.
Why can't the wolves just be Wilgy and afks? Is there some sort of rule against that?
I'm not to falcon's post yet but this is a response to falcons post

i don't like it

that's a stupid reason
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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EnderWiggin wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:03 am
tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:00 am last night I wrote a lot and it took all my brain power so I didn't want to read the thread (and didn't) and so I learned that writing that much for mafia is too much for smolbrain

So I give up

But eh
Well now I'm sad.
ppl probably didn't care anyways
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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I did constantly ask them why Wigly is so wolfy to them
and every single time they responded with, "look at his posts, they aren't townie"
which wasn't a good answer, based on their vote
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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EnderWiggin wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:04 am
Wisp wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:45 pm honestly if Ender is a wolf, his re-evaluation there blows my mind
Careful. Half my wolf game is just cosplay of my town game =P
that's another days problem lol
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Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings…
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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I didn't read mizery's posts but she posted a lot so that's cool
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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a lot in comparison to who? they don't have meta on this site, I saw one other game on this site, in which they were town
do you have experience with them?
Why did u focus on Mizery here?
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Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings…
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Wisp wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:28 am a lot in comparison to who? they don't have meta on this site, I saw one other game on this site, in which they were town
do you have experience with them?
Why did u focus on Mizery here?
do u think these questions are useful

she posted like 10 times after I posted and so I saw them

Also yeah I know her we're dating :lovelove:
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Wisp wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:02 pm i have again 0 intention of self-isoing myself and telling you why I am town
that is your job
i like wisp
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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rip miss carosel
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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ya honestly Idk what i expected
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear.
Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings…
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:36 am
Wisp wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:28 am a lot in comparison to who? they don't have meta on this site, I saw one other game on this site, in which they were town
do you have experience with them?
Why did u focus on Mizery here?
do u think these questions are useful

she posted like 10 times after I posted and so I saw them

Also yeah I know her we're dating :lovelove:
Mizery played in the MU team game?
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Alison wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:56 pm
Wisp wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:54 pm i dont think you are trying to work with me, you have already decided I was a wolf since I started posting
and I don't think giving anymore reads would change that
u don't get to tell me how I should feel nor how I should handle pressure
You're asserting that you somehow can't play the game because I scumread you.

This is nonsense.

I am not stopping you from making posts. I am not stopping you from engaging in solving or talking to other people.

Pre-emptively blaming me for any lack of engagement you have is both absurd and scummy.
from personal experience i am saying right now that you're wrong
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:38 am
tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:36 am
Wisp wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:28 am a lot in comparison to who? they don't have meta on this site, I saw one other game on this site, in which they were town
do you have experience with them?
Why did u focus on Mizery here?
do u think these questions are useful

she posted like 10 times after I posted and so I saw them

Also yeah I know her we're dating :lovelove:
Mizery played in the MU team game?
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

In that case I think you're dating a wolf
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:45 am [VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

In that case I think you're dating a wolf
whys that
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:45 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:45 am [VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

In that case I think you're dating a wolf
whys that
lilwei was just a lot more villagery in the team game I'm pretty sure-- seems like basically a shadow of her D1 play there.
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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reading the wisp stuff is frustrating i don't wanna read it it's giving me flashbacks
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:47 am
tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:45 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:45 am [VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

In that case I think you're dating a wolf
whys that
lilwei was just a lot more villagery in the team game I'm pretty sure-- seems like basically a shadow of her D1 play there.
alas :pensive:
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Mizery wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:50 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:47 am
tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:45 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:45 am [VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

In that case I think you're dating a wolf
whys that
lilwei was just a lot more villagery in the team game I'm pretty sure-- seems like basically a shadow of her D1 play there.
alas :pensive:
I'm off to double check now
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:51 am
Mizery wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:50 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:47 am
tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:45 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:45 am [VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

In that case I think you're dating a wolf
whys that
lilwei was just a lot more villagery in the team game I'm pretty sure-- seems like basically a shadow of her D1 play there.
alas :pensive:
I'm off to double check now
your read on me isn't gonna change probably lmfao i have no idea why i was villagery
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Re: Baby Mafia (D1)

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tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:43 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:38 am
tessepia wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:36 am
Wisp wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:28 am a lot in comparison to who? they don't have meta on this site, I saw one other game on this site, in which they were town
do you have experience with them?
Why did u focus on Mizery here?
do u think these questions are useful

she posted like 10 times after I posted and so I saw them

Also yeah I know her we're dating :lovelove:
Mizery played in the MU team game?
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