Baby Mafia (TOWN WIN)

[Gira]

@Gira
again I will say this, if you are town, go through Gavial's iso
this dude is not a wolf, I do not believe it

@Gira
If I was scum I’d have killed Wisp over Falcon here and you should realize this.

If I killed Wisp, You and Falcon just cross vote due to Falcon’s already suspicion on you.

I also guess in that world I would be scum with either Alison or Miz but the point still stands and in the case your town you should realize that I’m right about that.

i mean, i was never voting falcon. maybe he votes me for dumb reasons, maybe him being alive makes him second guess, i don't know. often scum feel obligated to kill the "most clear" player so things look right

i'll take it into consideration though

[Gira]

@Gira
question here, are you being lazy town or lazy wolf?
this sounds rhetorical, but its not
you think the team is really just Mizery/Gavial?

cause there is no way if you go through Gavials iso, you can't tell me there aren't sparks that show he might not have TMI or is un-aligned with Tess
and like now how Mizery spoke to Gavial, it feels unaligned, maybe its a bad read, idk

i generally take decisions one step at a time and i just don't think mizery is town in any world

associations can be faked but i have done basically ~no evaluation there and focused purely in terms of who i am voting today


if i'm playing lazy i'm almost certainly town, you have no way of knowing this but i am basically stupid high effort every time i roll scum

[Millium]

man u are not very helpful, are you

[Millium]

"associations can be faked as long I'm not the one making them"

[Gira]

gavial seems to have turned on a dime from calling me scum to appealing to me, though

[Gira]

man u are not very helpful, are you

"associations can be faked as long I'm not the one making them"

man i haven't even read through to see the stuff you're talking about, if you're not actually citing your sources i can only take guesses, i'm still looking at it myself trying to see


like YES i could theoretically fake the stuff between me/alison and me/tess, but i wouldn't because i think scum/scum cross bussing each other in the early game for no reason is bad play

[Gira]

LHF’s:
Mizery
Limecoke
Tess
Maybe Ender and Falcon


They just go Limecoke, Tess and then Mizery.
Or they take a gamble in the dark and try and push Wisp.

B R U H

[Gira]

i see nothing in gavial's iso that unaligns him with mizery

i do see this soft defense of her on day 1

Also, I've had enough color theory for one day.

Someone talk about how Mizery's entrance is kind of scummy instead.

I think it was rushed.
That’s about it.

Wisp is probably town.

Gonna do this instead:
[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

For what?

Process.

Wolves, especially ones that have been backed into a corner, don't often turn around and processing players properly like a town would.

But that's exactly what Wisp did, including citing/checking other games they weren't part of.

And on top of that, those citations were along what I was thinking as well. Partially at least.

Question.
Did you mention Mizery at all before?
Is this a new read or a vote to push them for more contribution?

Like most of your read game was all about how you suspect Wisp with also some mentions of Me and Nanook being Town.
No where did you ever bring up Mizery and only vote them after Falcon naked votes them.

Mizery only has bonk mafia, he was town, the play is about the same as this game so far?
but I don't think I am going to lean him town, in the same way I leaned Dizzy as a wolf for his play in the game I iso'd

Mizery needs to do more

This is the reason I can see that can coherent a vote.
I don’t see any other reason at this stage.

Misery’s entrance wasn’t that great but going back to that moment and placing a vote down for that doesn’t really make any sense at this stage.

[Gira]

I didn't read mizery's posts but she posted a lot so that's cool

I mean it doesn’t mean anything AI.
But it does mean that they are contributing after a naked vote placement on them which is a Townie look.

[Gira]

Mizery, Luck and Tesse as potential team but allot more unlikely then Dizzy/Alison having scum in it.

[Gira]

I'm at Red Lobster currently. I'll talk to y'all later.

[VOTE: Tess] aubergine

I'll explain why later.

I wonder if your reasons are the same as mine

Tess over Alison?
No thanks!

[Millium]

im going to go through Gavial's iso again

[Gira]

Lime Coke just suddenly comes into this day dropping his scum read on me and votes Tess.

Like Tess could be scum but Lime Coke has a greater chance to be scum with Alison so I don’t like where Lime Coke is trying to go.



I’m thinking Nanook was correct on Lime Coke so both Lime Coke and Alison NEEDED to kill Nanook.

[Gira]

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

I think you mean:
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I'm not opposed to that idea

Why though? You were on Tess before-- and I've generally felt good about you here-- but could you discuss your reads on both of them?

Honestly, I can see a Lime Coke, Luck and Alison Team RN.
As much as I think Luck has been Townie it looks like Luck is trying to push Falcon back into a Tess vote so Alison doesn’t go over today.

[Gira]

wisp what on earth are you seeing as unaligned in here lmao

[Millium]

this is why two eyes are better than one

[Millium]

wisp what on earth are you seeing as unaligned in here lmao

ya idk
I was mostly looking at the way he interacts with Tess and Mizery
and somehow missed all those little defenses

[Gira]

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

lol I have 3 voters? btw I'm not getting exed

Of course you won’t.
That’s Alison’s role today!

But I think it’s probable you could be with them so I’ll keep that in mind after Alison dies.

[Gira]

If we vote Tess today we resolve nothing
If we vote LC today and they flip Mafia we know Alison is playing Buss this game.
If we vote LC today and they flip Town we know Alison is setting up for 2 more ML’s on LHF.

[Millium]

lmao...

[Millium]

ok I get it, I read too fast

[Gira]

also FWIW Gav voting tess day 3 is incredibly likely to be teamed

in that instance of a counter claim with a ML, tess is ~always going to be flipped at some point

in that situation, it makes sense for the teammate who is deepest to position themselves on the right side of history so that they look good on later days, regardless of the outcome of day 3

that is a situation where if i actually had been scum distancing with tess i don't drop it to go fence sit and afk from the thread, i vote her so i can go "look i was right all along"

[Millium]

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

I feel like this is most likely to flip mafia.

Do whatever you all want.

I'll possibly be around for EOD I'll have to see how real life shakes things up for me.

I feel like your wrong but ok.

lmao

[Gira]

ok I get it, I read too fast

i don't know how you reread but when i associative hunt i use ctrl+F and Highlight All so i can see every mention someone makes of another player

only issue becomes if someone has a nickname or abbreviation that gets used a lot or the person misspells their name it won't get picked up, but it wasn't an issue for me here

[Gira]

@lime coke
Look, just vote Tess, who in hindsight, is probably just a wolf trying to kill strong players

Also his last post was gross

@Gavial
I'm still thinking, where I want to vote, I'll probably end up on Tess, oraybe back to LC

I think Tess is a really bad vote and and doesn’t resolve anything.

If you don’t vote Alison at least vote LC so you know for sure Alison is wolf.

Like we are in the same position tomorrow if Tess flips town where with LC we aren’t.
If Tess flips mafia then what?
Look it’s just better to go Alison and you suddenly stopping that makes me believe you guys could be distancing.

[Gira]

i think the big thing is that in spite of making the admission tess could be mafia, gavial went incredibly hard defendig her on day 2, it's an incredibly dissonant mindset that doesn't make sense from a civilian POV

[Millium]

he did, and the things I looked at as unlikely aligned
are probably more likely to be a wolf trying to help his partners along in the thread

[Millium]

Honestly luck is doing literally the same thing, except they aren't even voting the person they think was obvious wolf

I still feel pretty decent about my vote, and if Esooa does happen to be a villager then I think I can figure that out

…..
Did you literally just say if they flip town you’ll figure out they are town?

ROFL.

how did you misread this post so poorly?

[Millium]

[VOTE: Sockpuppet] aubergine

No no no buddy that’s not it.
Remember the vote is like this:
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Millium]

Top Town - Ender and Wigly
Probably Wolf - Alison

this post is so BS, in so many ways

[Gira]

How could my own cult member die?
I shall avenge you Nanook!

ew

if anything feel like a comment like this is fairly likely to be distancing

[Gira]

definitely nothing in mizery's iso i'd point to as unaligning between her and gavial

[Millium]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

As much as I really wanna join you on that.
We need to vote Tess today and then tomorrow we can get Alison.

this vote is so bad, like its literally forced trolling
and this all you say to Mizery

Mizery and Tess, you gave so many chances to
but you were completely happy with anyone else taking the chop

[Alison]

Have you forgotten me asking Tess what her read on Mizery is and Tess going "I think Mizery is very likely to be town"

[Millium]

I would also like to request @Mizery and @Gira to make a vote today on either Tess or Ender.
If you don’t vote within the Thunderdome, or don’t vote at all. Cough Cough Gira Cough Cough.
Then your probably just most likely wolf.

lmao...

[Millium]

Have you forgotten me asking Tess what her read on Mizery is and Tess going "I think Mizery is very likely to be town"

let me go take a look at Tess' iso again
between me and Gira, I think we got enough posts that show that I was stupid in my evaluation of Gavial

[Millium]

it's like my village range keeps getting scummier and scummier every day i don't wanna say it's hilarious but it's getting hilarious

this post was alright

I'm thinking kinda that illwei is town

[Alison]

@Alison
Do you know how bad you sound right now?
Your using close to the same reasons you did on Lime Coke.
You’d think you would be more cautious and have learnt the lesson not to repeat the same mistake.
But your gonna vote someone for making bad plays regardless of alignment and shame not only them but another person as well?

What if they happened?
Let’s pretend you weren’t wolf.
What if the team was Miz and Gira?
Would you have shamed me for voting you?

Like I’m sorry but that’s such a terrible reasoning on your behalf.
And honestly kinda Rude.

Not every player is gonna play to the level you’d wish them to play to.
Check out my last game where Falcon and LC weren’t there at the time I wish they were and flanked for most of the game.
I knew both were town and made sure they knew each other were town instead of them pushing each other.
I’m not gonna vote them out because “PL is good in LYLO” like you seem to think it is.

Now if you voted Miz due to some comparisons you found of them related to Tess then yeah.
That’s a good reason and you might take Wisp over and Wolf Win.

But I refuse to lose to a wolf that’s going on this level i a repeating pattern that I’ve called out previously to go power wolf on the win.
You ain’t doing that in my game Alison, sorry.

Voting out LC was not a mistake. Imagine how bad this LyLo would be if he was here.

I kill people I deem to be threats to town regardless of the color of their role card. I am not afraid to soak my hands in the blood of townspeople on my way to burn down the mafia. If a slot has decided to work for the other team I'll treat them as an enemy.

In this case my "policy" votes killed someone who was being extremely anti town and another has landed on a mafia member. I am quite satisfied with them.

[Millium]

I'm p sure Mizery is town

How come

cause when she was a wolf she was a bitch too scared to vote or push me, this game she's voting me and you and etc

and other stuff but yeah

[Alison]

In case you are willing to listen to reason again here is a question for you.

Tess was willing to claim parity cop and commit suicide just to get the game into LyLo. We were wondering why she would do this. The only reason would be if she was confident town would not be able to nail 2 mafia in a row if we got to LyLo, and that reaching there would essentially be an auto win.

She wouldn't do this if the team was me/Gira or me/Mizery. She would only do this if the team has Gavial on it as he was widely trusted. Gavial cannot be scum with me obviously, and cannot be scum with Gira (Gira would have hammered me if so). Therefore the only possible scum team is Mizery and Gavial.

[Millium]

Ok on D1 people were like "woah Mizery is Illwei that's not a good look for her"....and you made a post that was pretty much "well if she's not villagery then she can die", then she made one post that didn't really have to do with anything game related, you called it villagery and found your way onto Dizzy.

Question is: Do you think your dynamic with Illwei could prevent you from treating her objectively on D1?

I think there are also some big differences in how you treated Dizzy here vs the game where Dizzy was wolfing, you called him a wolf, and died on D1-- in that game you were pretty much like "lol Dizzy is a wolf and should die", and here you didn't express any sort of confidence about it-- I would expect that after nailing w! Dizzy in your previous game, that you would reference that when making a case for it in the next game. It seems wolfy that you didn't.

irt illwei I have been biased against killing her before. I was pretty sure she was a wolf when she wolfed against me but I tried killing her partners and we only hit town so that was rough lol. But I still thought she was a wolf pretty much that entire game beginning from day 1, and this game I just don't think she is

I don't think posts need to be "game related" to be towny though. Especially for like, illwei. She hates wolfing and the ways I found her town previous were

1: she posted like 250 times early on in team mafia, I didn't read a single post from her before saying "illwei's lock town" in team chat
2: the way she engaged with the thread in SF2 was very believable considering her approach to the game, mostly was considering how before the game she was like "there's a lot of good players and I feel useless which demotivates me from solving and doing things cause I don't think anything I say is worthwhile/is just useless"

comparatively, as a wolf, she was really awkward. She was blatantly trying to get on my good side, when I called someone town she came up with a not very believable reason to also call the same person town, then later in thread (DM's were open in this game) that "Esooa is town because we mindmelded"

Which wasn't really true and especially with how put-on the mindmeld into mention of it was, felt like she was very intentionally and awkwardly trying to get on my good side

And after the game too, as I said, she was too scared to wolf read me cause she thought I would bury her (which I did also notice when one of her town reads tried to dome me, she was very hands off, non-committal in a wolfy way)

I think her posts this game fall much more in line with the kinda stuff I read her for in her town games and not much from her wolf game

irt to Dizzy, my confidence was never that great on them, but when I came in it was 10 minutes to EoD and I wanted to get things done, and didn't want the wagoned people to die. You probably saw similar in like, cool mountainous mafia. Day 2 I made shit up and was way more confident on it than I really was/ought to be mostly to push people around and get reactions there, or to get votes onto who I wanted in basic mafia. Part of that too was me being annoyed that Alison was even being voted day 1 which I thought shouldn't be happening, and seeing as it was caused by Dizzy I pushed them for it.

Also, I did mention that I found Dizzy as a wolf previously, and that did factor into my read on them. I'm pretty sure particularly I said that the difference I noticed between wolf Dizzy and town Dizzy is that town Dizzy just didn't really care about reads on them, but wolf Dizzy was more appearance focused broadly, and that I didn't like their entry because the town reads seemed put-on and too much like buddying

[Millium]

In case you are willing to listen to reason again here is a question for you.

Tess was willing to claim parity cop and commit suicide just to get the game into LyLo. We were wondering why she would do this. The only reason would be if she was confident town would not be able to nail 2 mafia in a row if we got to LyLo, and that reaching there would essentially be an auto win.

She wouldn't do this if the team was me/Gira or me/Mizery. She would only do this if the team has Gavial on it as he was widely trusted. Gavial cannot be scum with me obviously, and cannot be scum with Gira (Gira would have hammered me if so). Therefore the only possible scum team is Mizery and Gavial.

honestly its close to my original thoughts before I started getting stuck on you
I believe I originally said, "This play doesn't make sense unless wolves need the extra boost"
and you most certainly wouldn't need it, at least I don't think so

[Millium]

forcing the game into lylo is already a huge wim killer for most, and drops the chances of town winning by a significant amount

[Alison]

Vote Mizery then

[Millium]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

why

Because it makes sense and also a vote is pressure is nice.

I am building my town and Alison feels oddly outside that gamestate.

Which is usually an impression I only get when she's scum.

I don't think wolf Alison kills Nanook, it's kinda just a bad kill, and the explanation for it + her day play after is pushing LC. Which, Alison doesn't:

Make weird uh, framing kills like that as far as I know, she plays more straight forward

Probably doesn't decide doming with town!LC who makes himself obvious as town is the best idea

Neither do I think they're partners, obviously

[Mizery]

Theres like nothing else i can say especially bc im in class rn
There's just a fire drill
But like

Lol
(;

[Millium]

lol there's more votes on Alison than LC now

kinda yikes

this post again, for obvious reasons

[Mizery]

Theres like nothing else i can say especially bc im in class rn
There's just a fire drill
But like

Lol
(;

That was an upside down smiley not a winy

[Mizery]

Winky

[Millium]

Theres like nothing else i can say especially bc im in class rn
There's just a fire drill
But like

Lol
(;

its ok, u haven't been saying much anyways