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This is your last shot. Who is behind all the murders?

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MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:55 am yes let's all just towncore esooa and let her choose what happens... it'll be a fun experiment
I don't mind.
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:52 am Alison lock town never rescind I have no idea how it's possible for us to have identical reads on such rand shit but every read of hers I agree with.

Also agree with iaafr on luckbox.

Would start this game hurling luckbox and ender into the fires on Mount Doom and go from there.
Mac pushing me/voting me is the least shocking thing to happen this game fwiw.
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Alison wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:47 am
iaafr wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:46 am i thought i melded with the alison theatery vibes take and then i thought kami finding nobody villagery was villagery

but then i decided both of those things could be wolfy instead
yeah the theatre read is major bullshit lol
I think it's mildly villagery for Kami specifically because the last time she played with me we snowed the town under with D1 theater and hard bussed each other. The same goes for the read that I might be bussing Ender.
This is a good read fwiw.

I dunno if it's the same game I'm thinking of but I remember a game where Alison/Kami did this as w.
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Re: The Molly Maguires Mafia (D1)

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Towns:
IAAFR
Mac
Esooa

Adding me is 4.

Main reason I have Rabbit higher than Mac is because of the conversation he was having with Esooa last night in terms of his townread on her, which majority of what he was saying I felt myself thinking the same thing.

Mac is taking the solving seriously unlike Philo 2 where it was meme-solving.

Esooa I was taking the "You gave me a reason to townread Ender" post towards Alison to be more towards her town style, mainly because I doubt Esooa would purposefully annoy Alison as mafia, plus I remember her just flat out sheeping Alison last time it was W/T in regards to them and gave 0 opinion on anything.
Plus this appears to be a read that a lot of people have at this moment so if it's wrong I can blame them. 🙂🙃


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Alison wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:02 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:00 am
Alison wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:59 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:58 am
Alison wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:58 am [VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

I'm not gonna WIMbot hydra with you again if this is how you are gonna behave in games after WIMbotting.
Alison resorting to ate... what a world we live in.
It's not AtE at all.
it so is... its one tiny bit removed from telling me you don't want to be my friend anymore because I'm lightly pushing you at the start of a game lol
You know that's not what I meant at all. I said at the start that you were acting like you were still in WIMbot hydra despite knowing that you are talking to someone who is was also a part of WIMbot and that acting in a gimmicky way is not going to produce any AI results. Now it seems like you are leaning into the gimmick just for the sake of it. I obviously was not serious about not hydraing with you again, it was just hyperbole to make my point that you are doing the WIMbot persona really hard in a really unnecessary way.
this post feels like a sort of a "town who thinks theyre talking to town, telling the town they think their approach sucks and has no validity" post

its not very strong and i fencesat awhile on it but i lean this way
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im not totally sold on mac town because i could see him stepping it up to prove himself not a total walkover scumplayer but overall still lean town on him prolly
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iaafr wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:42 pm im not totally sold on mac town because i could see him stepping it up to prove himself not a total walkover scumplayer but overall still lean town on him prolly
Anyone who thinks Mac is a walkover scum player hasn't seen him actively try.

He nearly outposted me as scum D1 once and I had 300 posts.
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i see the logic for townreading kami for that one read but im not sold on it and don't see why she couldn't/wouldn't come up with that read as scum
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EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:44 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:42 pm im not totally sold on mac town because i could see him stepping it up to prove himself not a total walkover scumplayer but overall still lean town on him prolly
Anyone who thinks Mac is a walkover scum player hasn't seen him actively try.

He nearly outposted me as scum D1 once and I had 300 posts.
context is that lc and i just played a game (esooa was there too but subbed into a scum slot d2) where mac (and p much his entire scumteam, tbf) just kinda phoned it in d1 and got d2'd

(this game https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2237 )
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he had extra reason to phone it in though because, aside from his team slanking out, he rolled a role that pretty much needed to die mechanically, it was p bad lmao
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@112 come solve the game im beggin you
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He pulled what he was talking about in a past DVC of a game, and it was kinda blatant.
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Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:50 pm He pulled what he was talking about in a past DVC of a game, and it was kinda blatant.
This being Mac in the game that Rabbit was talking about.
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Re: The Molly Maguires Mafia (D1)

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iaafr wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:45 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:44 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:42 pm im not totally sold on mac town because i could see him stepping it up to prove himself not a total walkover scumplayer but overall still lean town on him prolly
Anyone who thinks Mac is a walkover scum player hasn't seen him actively try.

He nearly outposted me as scum D1 once and I had 300 posts.
context is that lc and i just played a game (esooa was there too but subbed into a scum slot d2) where mac (and p much his entire scumteam, tbf) just kinda phoned it in d1 and got d2'd

(this game https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2237 )
Ah I see context.

What's your opinion on both Mac and Kami doing this weird dance where they sorta scumread Alison to start then come around to being more on scumreading me?
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EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:52 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:45 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:44 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:42 pm im not totally sold on mac town because i could see him stepping it up to prove himself not a total walkover scumplayer but overall still lean town on him prolly
Anyone who thinks Mac is a walkover scum player hasn't seen him actively try.

He nearly outposted me as scum D1 once and I had 300 posts.
context is that lc and i just played a game (esooa was there too but subbed into a scum slot d2) where mac (and p much his entire scumteam, tbf) just kinda phoned it in d1 and got d2'd

(this game https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2237 )
Ah I see context.

What's your opinion on both Mac and Kami doing this weird dance where they sorta scumread Alison to start then come around to being more on scumreading me?
it's slightly alarming because i havent really found you scummy, so i agree that from your town perspective, there is reason to be suspicious of that area

nothing alarming enough to get me into a tunnel, but i am wary of the "mac is playing a pockety scumgame and amping bad scumreads" sort of deal

the thing i liked most so far was the timing of his 4 townreads drop and nothing after that has stood out as anything i wanna give heavy townpoints for
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actually no i probably misspoke

i townread the attitude with which mac has like tried to lay out his gameplan / position early
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:58 am iiafr gets free reign for a day to iaafr up the place
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:55 am @Kami and @Esooa your jobs are to solve each other

@Lime Coke your job is to be so towny you get night oned


these managerial vibes come off towny to me
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kamis aggression @ me not having that much followup (and kami seemign to have a thin presence in general) is something i also find mildly alarming but it could just be lack of time/investment

my vote being there isnt, like, fake though
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:58 am iiafr gets free reign for a day to iaafr up the place
random paranoia this is derogatory and scum perspective but lmao
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Re: The Molly Maguires Mafia (D1)

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EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:48 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:39 pm [VOTE: enderwiggin] aubergine
Anything else to contribute beyond announcing your vote again without changing it?
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iaafr wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:04 pm kamis aggression @ me not having that much followup (and kami seemign to have a thin presence in general) is something i also find mildly alarming but it could just be lack of time/investment

my vote being there isnt, like, fake though
Yeah the fact I wasnt aggressive about a read on someone who only had like 5 posts at the time is indeed alarming
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damn my original scum team of 112 lc isn't valid huh

112 still can be
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Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:43 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:04 pm kamis aggression @ me not having that much followup (and kami seemign to have a thin presence in general) is something i also find mildly alarming but it could just be lack of time/investment

my vote being there isnt, like, fake though
Yeah the fact I wasnt aggressive about a read on someone who only had like 5 posts at the time is indeed alarming
LMAO I like how this post has the ! tag
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I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night. :doh:
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honestly it's sus to make memes that suck
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Ender how do you feel about the pressure on you
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I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night. :doh:
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ender is lock wolf for me, there is only 2 mafia so ill wait to find the last after he gets lynched
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Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:46 pm ender is lock wolf for me, there is only 2 mafia so ill wait to find the last after he gets lynched
Do you have anyone as town?
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Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:49 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:46 pm ender is lock wolf for me, there is only 2 mafia so ill wait to find the last after he gets lynched
Do you have anyone as town?
luckbox confirmed town
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Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:44 pm honestly it's sus to make memes that suck
I agree but that was a good meme and youre just not sophisticated enough to get it
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Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:49 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:46 pm ender is lock wolf for me, there is only 2 mafia so ill wait to find the last after he gets lynched
Do you have anyone as town?
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Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:49 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:46 pm ender is lock wolf for me, there is only 2 mafia so ill wait to find the last after he gets lynched
Do you have anyone as town?
luckbox confirmed town
Why?
do you have anyone as town?
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Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:49 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:46 pm ender is lock wolf for me, there is only 2 mafia so ill wait to find the last after he gets lynched
Do you have anyone as town?
luckbox confirmed town
Why?
do you have anyone as town?
Yes. Rabbit, Mac, and Esooa so far.
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Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:54 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:49 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:46 pm ender is lock wolf for me, there is only 2 mafia so ill wait to find the last after he gets lynched
Do you have anyone as town?
luckbox confirmed town
Why?
do you have anyone as town?
Yes. Rabbit, Mac, and Esooa so far.
why
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esooa hasn't done anything villagery and mac has played this exact game as wolf before too
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so yes i standby the fact there is really no reason to town read anyone and luckbox is also still in his scum range just less so than everyone else
which is why I will wait for ender to flip W which he will and find the last based on that

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Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:54 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:54 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:49 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:46 pm ender is lock wolf for me, there is only 2 mafia so ill wait to find the last after he gets lynched
Do you have anyone as town?
luckbox confirmed town
Why?
do you have anyone as town?
Yes. Rabbit, Mac, and Esooa so far.
why
I already explained but TL:DR

Rabbit for how he was trying to solve Esooa and his thoughts were pretty much mirroring mine, Mac for serious solving tone and being totally different from Philo 2, and Esooa for her response to Alison on a read that I don't think she would do so in a way if she were mafia.
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Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:00 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:54 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:54 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:49 pm

Do you have anyone as town?
luckbox confirmed town
Why?
do you have anyone as town?
Yes. Rabbit, Mac, and Esooa so far.
why
I already explained but TL:DR

Rabbit for how he was trying to solve Esooa and his thoughts were pretty much mirroring mine, Mac for serious solving tone and being totally different from Philo 2, and Esooa for her response to Alison on a read that I don't think she would do so in a way if she were mafia.
yeah see thats all straight bullshit LMAO
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when has Mac played this exact game as wolf
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Kami wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:56 pm esooa hasn't done anything villagery and mac has played this exact game as wolf before too
I mean...I get that. At least Esooa is the worst person I can read based off of "tone" and stuff like that and I had a certain approach to her in Philo 2 which I ended up being correct on scumreading her, only to waver because my dumbass townreads AtE.
However I saw someone else that I townread basically saying the same thing and proceeding to just townread her, so I don't feel as bad outing a townread.

Mac I've sorta tilted the table multiple games in a row mainly because we've butted heads numerous times and it's lead to me scumreading/refusing to townread him for multiple games. I did get him twice when he was mafia at least with a confident enough read as opposed to "fuck it, just vote him out" annnnd figured him as town in a few games correctly?

This has kind of been a bit of a change in my approach to both how I play in general and how I read those 2, and a few others, in that instead of head hunting for when they're mafia I should just flat out try to achieve 100% accuracy in reading their alignments.
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Re: The Molly Maguires Mafia (D1)

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I think Kami is a wolf now.

Ender's re-entrance has been yuck. His strongest read is that I am scum for pushing him for bad reasons on page 1.
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Re: The Molly Maguires Mafia (D1)

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iaafr and Mac are both town probably.
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Re: The Molly Maguires Mafia (D1)

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Esooa wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:44 pm Ender how do you feel about the pressure on you
Kinda meh.

I don't know what I'm supposed to do with it so I'm trying to ignore it and solve but also like half my solving is going around the pressure on me.
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Re: The Molly Maguires Mafia (D1)

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I'm also ignoring Kami because she's going to get stuck in her "I am right" for now and I got no clue what she wants from me.

I'm half tendant to think she's town because of her weirdness this game but also I'm moderately sure that one of Alison/Mac/Kami is wolf so.
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Re: The Molly Maguires Mafia (D1)

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Alison wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:20 pm I think Kami is a wolf now.

Ender's re-entrance has been yuck. His strongest read is that I am scum for pushing him for bad reasons on page 1.
why do you think kami is a wolf
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Alison wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:20 pm I think Kami is a wolf now.

Ender's re-entrance has been yuck. His strongest read is that I am scum for pushing him for bad reasons on page 1.
Doubling down on pushing me*

Also no, my strongest read is LC town.
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I actually think iaafr is kinda towny with some of his questions
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Re: The Molly Maguires Mafia (D1)

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Lime Coke wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:36 pm My power is unmatched.
empirically I ic myself about as hard and as often as you do but I guess in philomaf and this one you've been towned earlier and with less paranoia
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I'd be willing to re-look at LC later because it has been a while and it's possible he levelled up but also like, I'm 90% sure he's just town so far.
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iaafr is way more obviously town than LC
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Re: The Molly Maguires Mafia (D1)

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iaafr wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:31 pm
Alison wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:20 pm I think Kami is a wolf now.

Ender's re-entrance has been yuck. His strongest read is that I am scum for pushing him for bad reasons on page 1.
why do you think kami is a wolf
also another thing I'm curious about: what led to your first post being a townread of me
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