The Molly Maguires Mafia (ENDGAME)

[EnderWiggin]

ender is also in commentary mode
outted wolf

I like how you're complaining about how iaafr is treating you regardless of meta and then you ignore the previous games we've played where commentary mode is my default.

Good single standards there.

[EnderWiggin]

ender what was your initial scumread of Alison based on

Spinning wheel of RNG. That was my first post.

Then her reaction/push is the reason.

[EnderWiggin]

Also actually might be Kami that's the wolf. Her whole "Commentary" diss on me is inaccurate as I've been doing questions and explaining reads not just reacting.

Disingenuous description of my play.

[Kami]

ender is also in commentary mode
outted wolf

I like how you're complaining about how iaafr is treating you regardless of meta and then you ignore the previous games we've played where commentary mode is my default.

Good single standards there.

i literally dont give a fuck about meta, and I also dont care if others listen to meta either
his posts were weird because he was purposefully playing ignorant

[Esooa]

ok

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

[Kami]

Also actually might be Kami that's the wolf. Her whole "Commentary" diss on me is inaccurate as I've been doing questions and explaining reads not just reacting.

Disingenuous description of my play.

You are ignoring peoples reads(which you admsit) and doing nothing but OMGUS people(which you also admit) with pointless commentary posts inbetween
id say that's pretty accurate

[EnderWiggin]

ok

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

Something something poll vote

But I'm willing to give this a shake.

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

[iaafr]

I think Kami is a wolf now.

Ender's re-entrance has been yuck. His strongest read is that I am scum for pushing him for bad reasons on page 1.

why do you think kami is a wolf

I think the whole "I refuse to solve anyone except Ender" stuff is scummy. I think the continual refusal to acknowledge *anyone's* actions as townie is scummy.

Yeah I think this is basically both of their metas perfectly. Kami seems like Kami (assuming this is true which there is no reason to doubt) and Alison's reaction is v! Alison.

Can you elaborate more on this line?

Kami being like "FU I'll do what I want" is how she plays. It's probably villagery for her because as a wolf she tries to play more traditionally villagery I'm pretty sure.

I actually just incorrectly inferred that the last "I'm pretty sure" projected a lack of extensive exp with your wolfgame

[EnderWiggin]

Also actually might be Kami that's the wolf. Her whole "Commentary" diss on me is inaccurate as I've been doing questions and explaining reads not just reacting.

Disingenuous description of my play.

You are ignoring peoples reads(which you admsit) and doing nothing but OMGUS people(which you also admit) with pointless commentary posts inbetween
id say that's pretty accurate

1. I was the one that put sus down on Alison first. Alison's the OMGUS not me. Get it right.

2. Where am I ignoring people's reads?

3. I have also:
- Explained LC's meta and read
- Created a towncore with explained reasons on why I read them as town-sided so far
- Asked questions to try and solve players
- Attempted to gather some sort of consensus within reads with very little response from some people

Are those things that make me town? Not necessarily. I can do those as wolf.

Are those things more than what you're saying?

Yes.

Yes they are.

[EnderWiggin]

And before anyone jumps on it: No my towncore are not set in stone. Towncore is just my preferred term for the people I consider my strongest townreads, no matter how weak they are at any given time.

[iaafr]

esooa and ender you actually find kami wolfy?

[EnderWiggin]

esooa and ender you actually find kami wolfy?

This last bit I find her disingenuous which might be wolfy but is certainly making me want to vote her.

What's your take on her misrep of my play so far?

[iaafr]

actually you don't have to answer immediately if you don't want to

in any case my current wolfreads are Alison and luckbox, Alison because I find her turn on kami a bit unnatural and possibly opportunistic (not strong wolfread) and luckbox because of entrance, constantly highlighting lack of being caught up, and the articulation of the kami/Alison thing.

both very tentative

[Kami]

Also actually might be Kami that's the wolf. Her whole "Commentary" diss on me is inaccurate as I've been doing questions and explaining reads not just reacting.

Disingenuous description of my play.

You are ignoring peoples reads(which you admsit) and doing nothing but OMGUS people(which you also admit) with pointless commentary posts inbetween
id say that's pretty accurate

1. I was the one that put sus down on Alison first. Alison's the OMGUS not me. Get it right.

2. Where am I ignoring people's reads?

3. I have also:
- Explained LC's meta and read
- Created a towncore with explained reasons on why I read them as town-sided so far
- Asked questions to try and solve players
- Attempted to gather some sort of consensus within reads with very little response from some people

Are those things that make me town? Not necessarily. I can do those as wolf.

Are those things more than what you're saying?

Yes.

Yes they are.

Snore

[Kami]

anyone who has a towncore is outted

[iaafr]

esooa and ender you actually find kami wolfy?

This last bit I find her disingenuous which might be wolfy but is certainly making me want to vote her.

What's your take on her misrep of my play so far?

I mean she misrepped me as willfully playing ignorant and idk my rough impression is that those sorts of misreps are nai for her


I've seen other players who that sort of thing is nai for

and luckboxs read kinda helps? but also I have the gut sense her susses are real

[EnderWiggin]

Right.

Kami's argument process is "You're outed" on repeat I see.

Good talk.

[Kami]

Right.

Kami's argument process is "You're outed" on repeat I see.

Good talk.

And your argument is "You called me a wolf so I'm gonna vote you"

good talk

[EnderWiggin]

Right.

Kami's argument process is "You're outed" on repeat I see.

Good talk.

And your argument is "You called me a wolf so I'm gonna vote you"

good talk

I like how I have one of the people who called me a wolf so far in my town which straight up disproves your statement.

Also, the fact that I've clearly stated there's a wolf who isn't voting me.

Also, again, I called Alison a wolf before she voted for me.

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I'mma be back later otherwise I'm going to cross out of snark territory.

[Luckbox Inc]

@Luckbox Inc What's your read on me?

Still working on that and haven't read enough of your posts to really have one. I'll read from the beginning tomorrow when I wake up and am motivated

[Kami]

Right.

Kami's argument process is "You're outed" on repeat I see.

Good talk.

And your argument is "You called me a wolf so I'm gonna vote you"

good talk

I like how I have one of the people who called me a wolf so far in my town which straight up disproves your statement.

Also, the fact that I've clearly stated there's a wolf who isn't voting me.

Also, again, I called Alison a wolf before she voted for me.

What youre actually trying to argue you didnt OMGUS me?

Bruh

[Kami]

Yeah im gonna continue being happy with my vote

[Luckbox Inc]

Right.

Kami's argument process is "You're outed" on repeat I see.

Good talk.

Esooa voting Kami is interesting because Esooa pretty much taught me how to read Kami when I found Kami confusing and enigmatic

but this is exactly how Kami plays, fwiw

[EnderWiggin]

The irritating thing is this is probably towny of Kami.

Mostly because I don't remember getting this annoyed at her in either of the wolf games she played when I've been in the game.

[Kami]

Right.

Kami's argument process is "You're outed" on repeat I see.

Good talk.

Esooa voting Kami is interesting because Esooa pretty much taught me how to read Kami when I found Kami confusing and enigmatic

but this is exactly how Kami plays, fwiw

What how did esooa teach you how to read me when she doesnt even know how to read me herself

[Kami]

The irritating thing is this is probably towny of Kami.

Mostly because I don't remember getting this annoyed at her in either of the wolf games she played when I've been in the game.

im not annoying im persistent

[iaafr]

not mutually exclusive adjectives

[Kami]

yo im getting offended stop

[iaafr]

[EnderWiggin]

Iaafr can I get a general tierlist? I've seen your towncore and a few other thoughts but would appreciate a confidence-ordered list

[iaafr]

LC - similar meta townread as the one you've made, feels like he's been freely outing real thoughts and the way he developed his esooa read and reacted to mine being similar seems genuine
ender - seen no reason to doubt everything you've done to be from a town perspective, think 1 in Mac/Alison/kami makes sense from your perspective even though I don't tend to make those sorts of reads myself (though I don't get run up that much in the first place)


kami - her sus on me feels real and the way she's confbiasing you feels real, persistence, luckbox's read
esooa - what I've said before but it's extremely thin, kind of waiting on a worldview to develop to see how much I think it makes sense and whether it has any of her wolftells in read construction

mac - liked the page 1 energy but possibly a bit opportunistic and piggybacky in wolfread development, extra alarming if luckbox is town (not that Mac luckbox v/v can't exist, but still)
luckbox - possible tmi expression of townread on kami, already mentioned other stuff

alison - already mentioned in recent post too, most alarming aspect still might be moving kami to scumreads with pretty much the exact reasoning I used to express my initial doubt with my own early kami townread

[iaafr]

maybe swap mac and esooa positioning idk

[Luckbox Inc]

ifaar can be my first villager

thoughts seem legit plus the irksomeness seems on point

[Alison]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

[iaafr]

I've randomly entertained Mac esooa as an exact team at points for backseatiness and random stupid pings

would not be surprised if there were one in there

[iaafr]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

explain the first thought

because part of my issue with your worldview is I'm not sure it's that realistic to jump to kami hardbussing ender the way enders been acting

[Kami]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

lolololololol

idk if I agree with the first read, i would say based on how I bus you would probably be my most likely partner

[iaafr]

ifaar can be my first villager

thoughts seem legit plus the irksomeness seems on point

was kami not your first villager? thought you said her posting was on brand for her v game but not w game?

[EnderWiggin]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

Apparently I'm not allowed to sus people who sus me.

Also.

Again.

I have explicitly said that there is one scum (at least) outside the Mac/Kami/Alison trifecta of people who are at least pseudopushing me.

Which implies I am currently working out who isn't pushing me that is scum.

Which implies that my scumlist actually isn't all the people pushing me.

[EnderWiggin]

Also yeah iaafr is town.

[iaafr]

where the FUCK is 112

[Alison]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

explain the first thought

because part of my issue with your worldview is I'm not sure it's that realistic to jump to kami hardbussing ender the way enders been acting

Why isn't that bus realistic?

Kami is just sitting here repeating "Ender is outed" over and over, he's right about that. Scum are way more likely to do that to a partner than to a random townie.

[Alison]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

Apparently I'm not allowed to sus people who sus me.

Also.

Again.

I have explicitly said that there is one scum (at least) outside the Mac/Kami/Alison trifecta of people who are at least pseudopushing me.

Which implies I am currently working out who isn't pushing me that is scum.

Which implies that my scumlist actually isn't all the people pushing me.

Remind me again why you think there can't be two wolves in that trifecta?

[iaafr]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

explain the first thought

because part of my issue with your worldview is I'm not sure it's that realistic to jump to kami hardbussing ender the way enders been acting

Why isn't that bus realistic?

Kami is just sitting here repeating "Ender is outed" over and over, he's right about that. Scum are way more likely to do that to a partner than to a random townie.

his reaction feels unaligned and i feel like a kami/ender wolfteam would have them both doing different things right now, but that's just vague conjecture and not backed by anything concrete

i mean im townreading him and i have trouble agreeing with any of the wolfreads on him so that's coloring my view

kami's most recent reaction to your post also reads as "not actually a player who is actually bussing ender"

[EnderWiggin]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

Apparently I'm not allowed to sus people who sus me.

Also.

Again.

I have explicitly said that there is one scum (at least) outside the Mac/Kami/Alison trifecta of people who are at least pseudopushing me.

Which implies I am currently working out who isn't pushing me that is scum.

Which implies that my scumlist actually isn't all the people pushing me.

Remind me again why you think there can't be two wolves in that trifecta?

I don't see it likely that the only 2 wolves in a 9p mountainous would immediately hard-align.

If there is than one of them is probably Mac but I also was kinda townreading him earlier so

[iaafr]

it's also towny in general so theres that too

[EnderWiggin]

I will say that Kami hard-busses in odd ways as scum and I could absolutely seeing her set things up like this if we were w/w.

[Alison]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

explain the first thought

because part of my issue with your worldview is I'm not sure it's that realistic to jump to kami hardbussing ender the way enders been acting

Why isn't that bus realistic?

Kami is just sitting here repeating "Ender is outed" over and over, he's right about that. Scum are way more likely to do that to a partner than to a random townie.

his reaction feels unaligned and i feel like a kami/ender wolfteam would have them both doing different things right now, but that's just vague conjecture and not backed by anything concrete

i mean im townreading him and i have trouble agreeing with any of the wolfreads on him so that's coloring my view

kami's most recent reaction to your post also reads as "not actually a player who is actually bussing ender"

I don't really see anything super unaligned about that reaction. I'm not really pushing a Kami/Ender scumteam as fact, I'm just saying that Ender seems likely scum to me regardless of Kami's alignment.

The Kami reaction to my bus theory is a shrug. She's treating Ender in a very similar way to the way she treated Transcend in BTAS (where she hard bussed him in), where she just turns on the aggression and shouts that the other person is an evil conniving scum over and over.

[iaafr]

i have also seen kami hard bus as scum before, but it was in a much larger game and 2v7 kind of changes how momentous and game-defining a hellbus position can be