Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[NotAnAxehole]

Oh wait. You don’t.

Marmot is a triple voter, you know who to appeal to.

[MacDougall]

why does sig have 0 votes lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Actually no, Soldier makes the Mafia factional kill unstoppable by roleblocks, healing, immunity, and redirection.
So, there's no way Marmot used that on a Mafia last night.

Lololololololol

My claim does confirm me.

I’m the other soldier. If I was a wolf carrying the kill, I couldn’t be blocked.

I don't see how that claim clears you - it seems to target another player. If you're the soldier, you likely didn't carry KP, but that's kind of irrelevant to my vote.

It clears me of what I’m being accused of, carrying the mafia kill and then getting roleblocked and that’s why nobody died last night.

You are aware that’s the case on me, right? The entire case.

It doesn't even do that? Lol

[falcon45ca]

Im gonna say this. Falcon is treating Gavial like a bad townie, not like scum.

Agreed. Scumread feels fake.

Yeah, you kinda did say it before

So stop being fake, furball.

I'm for real dawg.



Just cuz ya don't agree w/ me, doesn't mean my reads are fake

[falcon45ca]

why does sig have 0 votes lol

He's still POE IMO

[Jackofhearts2005]

Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks

Mmm, yes. Only stupid players do that.

Who itg is stupid?

/s

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh wait. You don’t.

Marmot is a triple voter, you know who to appeal to.

Pretending you don’t have responsibility for your own vote is antitown and I don’t understand the mindset.

How are we supposed to read you if you refuse to think for yourself?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks

Mmm, yes. Only stupid players do that.

Who itg is stupid?

/s

I mean I'm not saying only stupid players would or that I'm smarter cause I wouldn't, im saying I specifically believe in this approach and there are people in the game who are aware of that/can verify. As axe already has, for example

[Jackofhearts2005]

Actually no, Soldier makes the Mafia factional kill unstoppable by roleblocks, healing, immunity, and redirection.
So, there's no way Marmot used that on a Mafia last night.

Lololololololol

My claim does confirm me.

I’m the other soldier. If I was a wolf carrying the kill, I couldn’t be blocked.

I don't see how that claim clears you - it seems to target another player. If you're the soldier, you likely didn't carry KP, but that's kind of irrelevant to my vote.

It clears me of what I’m being accused of, carrying the mafia kill and then getting roleblocked and that’s why nobody died last night.

You are aware that’s the case on me, right? The entire case.

It doesn't even do that? Lol

Why don’t you just cc me and lock this in?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Actually no, Soldier makes the Mafia factional kill unstoppable by roleblocks, healing, immunity, and redirection.
So, there's no way Marmot used that on a Mafia last night.

Lololololololol

My claim does confirm me.

I’m the other soldier. If I was a wolf carrying the kill, I couldn’t be blocked.

I don't see how that claim clears you - it seems to target another player. If you're the soldier, you likely didn't carry KP, but that's kind of irrelevant to my vote.

It clears me of what I’m being accused of, carrying the mafia kill and then getting roleblocked and that’s why nobody died last night.

You are aware that’s the case on me, right? The entire case.

It doesn't even do that? Lol

Why don’t you just cc me and lock this in?

I don't understand what you're hoping to accomplish beyond flailing around aimlessly like a chicken with its head cut off

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey, Falcon.

What’s the most compelling reason you think I’m mafia?

@falcon45ca

Like convince me your read is real.

[Lime Coke]

Fuck it.

@Jackofhearts2005

What the hell are your reads currently?

I'm afraid to even let you off the hook because I've done it twice and you end gamed and won. I'm not gonna let it happen again just because you post well in a spurt.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Actually no, Soldier makes the Mafia factional kill unstoppable by roleblocks, healing, immunity, and redirection.
So, there's no way Marmot used that on a Mafia last night.

Lololololololol

My claim does confirm me.

I’m the other soldier. If I was a wolf carrying the kill, I couldn’t be blocked.

I don't see how that claim clears you - it seems to target another player. If you're the soldier, you likely didn't carry KP, but that's kind of irrelevant to my vote.

It clears me of what I’m being accused of, carrying the mafia kill and then getting roleblocked and that’s why nobody died last night.

You are aware that’s the case on me, right? The entire case.

It doesn't even do that? Lol

Why don’t you just cc me and lock this in?

I don't understand what you're hoping to accomplish beyond flailing around aimlessly like a chicken with its head cut off

I’m not getting yeeted today.

You and Axe can hide behind Marmot all you like but it simply won’t happen.

[sig]

why does sig have 0 votes lol

Since there's literally no reason for sig to have any.

[sig]

Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fuck it.

@Jackofhearts2005

What the hell are your reads currently?

I'm afraid to even let you off the hook because I've done it twice and you end gamed and won. I'm not gonna let it happen again just because you post well in a spurt.

You’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.

Town
Marmot
Lime
Mac
LP
Guillo
Dolby

Tony
Martin
Wilgy
Sig
Gav

Falcon
Nanook
Wolf

[Jackofhearts2005]

NAA can go above Tony.

[NotAnAxehole]

Oh wait. You don’t.

Marmot is a triple voter, you know who to appeal to.

Pretending you don’t have responsibility for your own vote is antitown and I don’t understand the mindset.

How are we supposed to read you if you refuse to think for yourself?

I give my reads in an attempt to steer the game in the correct direction. My reads have no weight this game, I'm certainly not going to start explaining them, and make it easier for people to read me. There's 1 thing I've done in this game that instantly defines my alignment if you can find it. When I realized I was like, ah fuck... Such a billboard player.

[Hally]

hey all, just a reminder that game throwing is a serious accusation and against site rules. if you truly believe someone is intentionally not playing to their wincon report it to the MoDs instead of making accusations in the thread. if you don’t truly believe that don’t use that word.

please do not interact with this post.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@MacDougall let's say I believe you for a second, what do you think about Lime Coke. Did not vote Sabie D1, D3 he claims a role block on Jack as being mechanically definitive when it's obviously not - even with no knowledge of the set up, you know that there are 2 of each role. Therefore any one action OBVIOUSLY can't be viewed this way.

This is like technically completely accurate.

But Lime is still obviously town and NAA is still voting for me.

Like…wtf am I supposed to do with that? I’m putting NAA at the high end of my nullish player list but idk if that’s the correct evaluation.

[sig]

So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.

So im townie because i tunneled Sabie but not for low tunneling you? So i cant be scum for hellbussing Sabie for example?

Well I know i'm civ and your reasoning for tunneling on me is god awful. Which imo is usually something mafia are more prone to do D0/1 since it lets them latch onto something, tunnel, do less gameplay wise, and then when someone misflips it's a meh.

So in theory you could be scum for bussing sabie, but given that it was Day 1, Sabie wasn't outted at that point, and there are only four mafia members hard bussins seems a bit less likely. That isn't to say no mafia members voted for her D1, but voting vs hard pushing is very different.

So I guess you'd be a slight town read? but probably my least confident one.

Im gonna pretend i dont scum read you to engage with you. Boom! That read is gone, the tunnel is vanished.

Sig, why do you think Sabie chose to chop Seanzie instead of chopping Gavial and you who were available wagons at the time?

Well, I'll break this down a few ways.

1. I don't think at that time I was a viable wagon. The only way to make it viable would've been if like all four mafia members voted for me, especially at the time she voted which was right before EOD correct? Really the only traction I was getting at that time was from You for a very bad reason, a random and unexplained vote from falcon who was flipflopping, and maybe dizzy? Really not any viable reasoning.

2. I think she 100% voted for whoever her teammates told her to vote for, If there was a genuine and active civ push onto sean at that time, which if I recall correctly there was, then it made sense to just throw the votes on there.

3. It was a cfd they don't always make sense nor are they executed perfectly, I think you might be attributing to much logic in that move.

4. I can't speak for the gavil thing, probably a better question to ask him. I will say based off his playstyle in this game I'm not reading him as mafia, even if you say she might've saved him by not voting or something I don't see that as a big enough reason to vote for him, especially since his other game play has been civvie imo.

[sig]

Fuck it.

@Jackofhearts2005

What the hell are your reads currently?

I'm afraid to even let you off the hook because I've done it twice and you end gamed and won. I'm not gonna let it happen again just because you post well in a spurt.

You’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.

Town
Marmot
Lime
Mac
LP
Guillo
Dolby

Tony
Martin
Wilgy
Sig
Gav

Falcon
Nanook
Wolf

Wait why would you be unblockable?

[Jackofhearts2005]

hey all, just a reminder that game throwing is a serious accusation and against site rules. if you truly believe someone is intentionally not playing to their wincon report it to the MoDs instead of making accusations in the thread.

please do not interact with this post.

The only time I seriously thought a player was game throwing, he was a townie PR trying to dodge nks and then he turned around like “everything it was doing is fake. I’m the cop. Wolves are X and Y.”

Plus like what if the player you think is gamethrowing is like a wolf after all?

So like I’m never ever gonna seriously accuse anyone of throwing during a game. Feels like this era’s version of saying you’re boning somebody’s mom on XBL.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fuck it.

@Jackofhearts2005

What the hell are your reads currently?

I'm afraid to even let you off the hook because I've done it twice and you end gamed and won. I'm not gonna let it happen again just because you post well in a spurt.

You’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.

Town
Marmot
Lime
Mac
LP
Guillo
Dolby

Tony
Martin
Wilgy
Sig
Gav

Falcon
Nanook
Wolf

Wait why would you be unblockable?

Apparently, wolf soldiers are unblockable when carrying the kill. Per LP per the setup. Imma be mad if that’s not the case.

[NotAnAxehole]

Fuck it.

@Jackofhearts2005

What the hell are your reads currently?

I'm afraid to even let you off the hook because I've done it twice and you end gamed and won. I'm not gonna let it happen again just because you post well in a spurt.

You’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.

Town
Marmot
Lime
Mac
LP
Guillo
Dolby

Tony
Martin
Wilgy
Sig
Gav

Falcon
Nanook
Wolf

Wait why would you be unblockable?

Apparently, wolf soldiers are unblockable when carrying the kill. Per LP per the setup. Imma be mad if that’s not the case.

No, soldiers can make other players unblockable, based on my read.

[MacDougall]

Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.

oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me

[Jackofhearts2005]

“Mafia Buffs

Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:

- Soldier: Will also learn the target’s class/color when he watches them.”

Well like….whatever. I’m still town.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall let's say I believe you for a second, what do you think about Lime Coke. Did not vote Sabie D1, D3 he claims a role block on Jack as being mechanically definitive when it's obviously not - even with no knowledge of the set up, you know that there are 2 of each role. Therefore any one action OBVIOUSLY can't be viewed this way.

sure but he's pretty townie

[MacDougall]

hey all, just a reminder that game throwing is a serious accusation and against site rules. if you truly believe someone is intentionally not playing to their wincon report it to the MoDs instead of making accusations in the thread.

please do not interact with this post.

The only time I seriously thought a player was game throwing, he was a townie PR trying to dodge nks and then he turned around like “everything it was doing is fake. I’m the cop. Wolves are X and Y.”

Plus like what if the player you think is gamethrowing is like a wolf after all?

So like I’m never ever gonna seriously accuse anyone of throwing during a game. Feels like this era’s version of saying you’re boning somebody’s mom on XBL.

bruh

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sorry. Somebody’s mum.

[sig]

Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.

oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me

I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.

[sig]

“Mafia Buffs

Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:

- Soldier: Will also learn the target’s class/color when he watches them.”

Well like….whatever. I’m still town.

Tin foil theory here, but what if jack is mafia with a mercenary and got their roles confused? Since in theory he could be submitting the roles for the entire team.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I love coming back to multiple announcements of “you have been mentioned by Gavial”, it fills me with joy every time

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don’t feel like any of Falcon’s questions look like legit attempts to solve this game from a town perspective.

I feel like you've already said this. Why do you feel the need to repeat yourself?

HMM
I WONDER WHY!?!?

Maybe because people are being naive here and refuse to realize your posts are wolfy.
@TonyStarkPrime
If you continue to call Falcon being wolfy your just outed wolf with him.

Rhats not me that’s jack

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don’t feel like any of Falcon’s questions look like legit attempts to solve this game from a town perspective.

I feel like you've already said this. Why do you feel the need to repeat yourself?

HMM
I WONDER WHY!?!?

Maybe because people are being naive here and refuse to realize your posts are wolfy.
@TonyStarkPrime
If you continue to call Falcon being townie your just outed wolf with him.

This is the same as the other one

[TonyStarkPrime]

That’s the worst fakeclaim attempt I’ve ever seen which means it’s town

[TonyStarkPrime]

Im gonna say this. Falcon is treating Gavial like a bad townie, not like scum.

Agreed. Scumread feels fake.

Yeah, you kinda did say it before

YET YOUR NOT DENYING YOUR FAKING.

@MacDougall
@Marmot
@Lime Coke
@LinearPoint
@DrWilgy
@Dolby

IN WHAT WORLD DOES A TOWN MEMBER FAKE SHIT!?

I fake stuff all the time as town. Being honest is wolfy

[Jackofhearts2005]

“Mafia Buffs

Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:

- Soldier: Will also learn the target’s class/color when he watches them.”

Well like….whatever. I’m still town.

Tin foil theory here, but what if jack is mafia with a mercenary and got their roles confused? Since in theory he could be submitting the roles for the entire team.

I thought the mercenaries were the mafia wowee

[falcon45ca]

Hey, Falcon.

What’s the most compelling reason you think I’m mafia?

@falcon45ca

Like convince me your read is real.

I'm actually not convinced you're Maf.


I did tell you my vote was OMGUS

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Gav] aubergine

[sig]

Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.

oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me

I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.

Though pretty sure your town, however If you're not I still want one "I told you so" to everyone.

Also for real now @MacDougall

what do you think of falcon and jack?

[MacDougall]

Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.

oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me

I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.

Every time I suspect you regardless of your alignment you always make this argument which is always incorrect as I've pushed you as town many times, and been correct many times...

I think you are sus. Not being pushed since d1 given your performance here is strongly indicative that you are mafia or the mafia would have tried to push you.

What about pushing you of all people makes me dumb? Where do you get off calling me dumb for daring to push a tepid, omgussy Sig that has been coasting?

[MacDougall]

Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.

oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me

I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.

Though pretty sure your town, however If you're not I still want one "I told you so" to everyone.

Also for real now @MacDougall

what do you think of falcon and jack?

I think Jack is town. I have Falcon as a very mild lean wolf. He seems wolfy on play but then he hasn't tried to appease me the way you did here with the bolded, which I give him town points for.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Gav] aubergine

I asked you a question tho

[MacDougall]

I love coming back to multiple announcements of “you have been mentioned by Gavial”, it fills me with joy every time

Imagine being me.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Gav] aubergine

I asked you a question tho

He answered it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey, Falcon.

What’s the most compelling reason you think I’m mafia?

@falcon45ca

Like convince me your read is real.

I'm actually not convinced you're Maf.


I did tell you my vote was OMGUS

*fart noises*

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

We should quit these asinine arguments based on NAI/mech fuckery and just kill everyone from the Seanzie wagon day 1 until we hit a wolf. If town saved mafia Sabie over town Seanzie I'll gladly just laugh and move on the next game. This game needs better direction.

Before some giant brain points out I was on that wagon, yes I know, feel free to flip me idc.

[sig]

Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.

oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me

I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.

Every time I suspect you regardless of your alignment you always make this argument which is always incorrect as I've pushed you as town many times, and been correct many times...

I think you are sus. Not being pushed since d1 given your performance here is strongly indicative that you are mafia or the mafia would have tried to push you.

What about pushing you of all people makes me dumb? Where do you get off calling me dumb for daring to push a tepid, omgussy Sig that has been coasting?

1. I mean it's a pretty good argument to make.

2. I wouldn't say I'm being tepid what so ever, I'm making reads when I see them and asking questions. Not my fault more people aren't engaging in my reads and that the thread keeps getting derailed by dumb arguments.

3. On this whole tepid/not doing enough point we are only on D3, and D2 was a total wash, even with that I've still done more than alot of other players so kinda weak to see I'm not doing anything and being tepid.

4. Back to point 3, I don't think I'm coasting at all, I'm posting, giving my thoughts, and staying caught up which is more than some people. So don't really see where this whole coasting thing is coming from.

5. It's dumb since it"s wrong and is a lazy approach. Not really doing any work into it just asking why other people haven't voted for me and helping to set up mafia for an easy vote/mislynch.

[falcon45ca]

Fuck it.

@Jackofhearts2005

What the hell are your reads currently?

I'm afraid to even let you off the hook because I've done it twice and you end gamed and won. I'm not gonna let it happen again just because you post well in a spurt.

You’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.

Town
Marmot
Lime
Mac
LP
Guillo
Dolby

Tony
Martin
Wilgy
Sig
Gav

Falcon
Nanook
Wolf

Why do you have so few Sean CFDers in a scum list, and so many in town/null lists?