Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like she probably isn't a hard read objectively, she seems to die as mafia a lot, but I don't read her well and idk why you're insisting I do when there's a documented history that says otherwise lol

[Gavial]

Im gonna say this. Falcon is treating Gavial like a bad townie, not like scum.

Agreed. Scumread feels fake.

Yeah, you kinda did say it before

YET YOUR NOT DENYING YOUR FAKING.

@MacDougall
@Marmot
@Lime Coke
@LinearPoint
@DrWilgy
@Dolby

IN WHAT WORLD DOES A TOWN MEMBER FAKE SHIT!?

I've already said I'm not faking, so I don't feel the need to flog a dead horse?



Do you think there's a world where I'm scum and don't deny making fake reads?

Yes it’s called hypocritical Falcon and it so happens that’s you RN.

[Dolby]

I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

[Gavial]

Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

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I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

You are just entirely outrageously wrong in your appraisal here.

I've been townie. If I hadn't been I'd be getting pushed a lot harder because that's what happens to me. I have a townie claim (that I am backed into a corner to use the way town forces me to use it) and I immediately tried to turbo Sabie when day 2 started well before Marmot outed the red check.

Your arguments that I am not town are confirmation bias, paranoia, tinfoil and StarV brand bad logic mixed together in a blender and out came this shit read.

I might be wrong about your alignment, and still you'll agree with what's in bold post-game.

I think the only players actively townreading me are like Jack, Linearpoint and Guillo and Jack and Linearpoint have outlined good reasons. Guillo might just be pocketing me.

Did you not read me?
I said I’ve town read you, heck I’ve even mind melted with you day 1.
It’s just the way you went about SoD2 felt bad. Not entirely wolfy just bad.

[Gavial]

wolf team plans to bus sabie, fails to bus sabie, proceeds to bus sabie even harder is a thing I can see

So in which case you admit you and marmot are probable scum buddies?

[TonyStarkPrime]

skimmed posts until I saw new people talking

if I got this right

Falcon -> Marmot (save)
Mac -> Mac (save)
LC -> Jack (block)
Dolby -> Nanook (block)

sig also claimed a doc

[TonyStarkPrime]

wolf team plans to bus sabie, fails to bus sabie, proceeds to bus sabie even harder is a thing I can see

So in which case you admit you and marmot are probable scum buddies?

tbh if marmot flips wolf I'll let you shoot me just on some vague principle

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I can't really see another valid reason for that.
Not to mention the 2nd Tracker hasn't claimed yet.
So it's very likely the 2nd Tracker is just always Mafia in this case.

Why would a tracker claim without a red

this is ostensibly a tracker claim but also yeah why wouldn't a tracker claim without a red

It isn't

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok are you the tracker

[TonyStarkPrime]

i'm pretty sure using the track on the tracker is just like mech wrong so

[Gavial]

I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

I’m honestly not entirely sure what happened tbh.

[Gavial]

@sig
Who did you save?
Martin?
Lime Coke?
Me? (Lol imagine.)

[Dolby]

I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

I’m honestly not entirely sure what happened tbh.

no kills happened bc eitehr someone was successfully saved or me/Lime Coke blocked teh mafia carrying the kill

and with a three person scum team the first is always just more likely

[TonyStarkPrime]

I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

I’m honestly not entirely sure what happened tbh.

this is straight up a scum claim

[Gavial]

I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

I’m honestly not entirely sure what happened tbh.

this is straight up a scum claim

I’m pretty sure if I said “it was for sure the roleblock!” That would be a straight up “TMI” eh?
Maybe a “Scum Claim”.


You can call me a wolf but don’t make up lies.
K thanks.

[Gavial]

I’m town. I don’t know why there was no kill last night as there are many ways of which it could be.
Roleblock, Doctor or some other method probable.

I’m curious who Sig medic’ed.

[Gavial]

I’m sorry but I’m not wolfy, I just talk allot and people don’t understand the difference.

[Gavial]

Maybe because of how I speak idk, but it’s apparently wolfy to others.

[NotAnAxehole]

The most mechanically cleared player in the game was saved at night, and there was no kill, we can stop talking about it now.

[Dolby]

Nanook, if you want me to not vote you I'm kinda need to know who you think are maf and who you think are town

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm actually coming around to the idea of scum!Gavial

[Dolby]

I kinda want to say that NAA is town tbh

[Dolby]

Gav, I want to look at the world, at least as an exercise, where Marmot and TSP are both 100% town

Who is the scum team then?

[Gavial]

The most mechanically cleared player in the game was saved at night, and there was no kill, we can stop talking about it now.

Do you know for sure though Falcon saved Marmot?
And who was @sig on?
Also if Falcon flips Wolf does that make Marmot Wolf or no?
Like I don’t trust Falcon I think he’s wolf.

[Gavial]

I'm actually coming around to the idea of scum!Gavial

That’s also exactly what wolves want you to come around to.


I’m not entirely sure why people keep thinking I’m wolfy but I’m town and have the solve so IDRC.

[Gavial]

Gav, I want to look at the world, at least as an exercise, where Marmot and TSP are both 100% town

Who is the scum team then?

Still a scum in Nanook/Falcon/Jack.
Probably 2.

[Gavial]

Technically I could see you as a wolf but not with Falcon.

[Gavial]

I still believe your town though.

[Gavial]

I kinda want to say that NAA is town tbh

Yeah he is.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy
@MacDougall
@LinearPoint
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
@NotAnAxehole

I want you 6 to remember something very important.
TSP being Mafia Sniper confirms Falcon as Mafia.

Mphh

How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.

Mh mphm mhfn. Mhph mph mh mf mph.

[falcon45ca]

I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

What makes you think that?

[Dolby]

@DrWilgy
@MacDougall
@LinearPoint
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
@NotAnAxehole

I want you 6 to remember something very important.
TSP being Mafia Sniper confirms Falcon as Mafia.

Mphh

How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.

Mh mphm mhfn. Mhph mph mh mf mph.

Wilgy, maybe you can make a reads list, with less mphhs being more towny, and more mphhs being more scummy

if you can't list a player, then do separate lines, with the 1st line being teh first player on the player list, second line being second, and so on (skipping dead people, or you could include them)

[Dolby]

I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

What makes you think that?

A doc save is more likely than a successful town roleblock just in general

and I kinda think that Nanook isn't the carrier

Jack could be I guess

[falcon45ca]

I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

What makes you think that?

A doc save is more likely than a successful town roleblock just in general

and I kinda think that Nanook isn't the carrier

Jack could be I guess

I don't understand why a doc save has a better chance of success than an RB....like, at all. Explain that theory to me plz

[Dolby]

I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

What makes you think that?

A doc save is more likely than a successful town roleblock just in general

and I kinda think that Nanook isn't the carrier

Jack could be I guess

I don't understand why a doc save has a better chance of success than an RB....like, at all. Explain that theory to me plz

Scum are going to give the nightkill to the person least likely to be tracked or roleblocked, and when there are more mafia, the chances of an individual roleblock blockign the kill go down. In addition, there typically isn't much benefit to mafia having X person carry the kill beyond dodging block/track/optimal person to be caught watching

In comparison, when there are limited good kills, it's easier for a doc to get the right one, and when doc dodging, maf are giving up the opportunity to do a better kill

Also in my experience doc protections succeed more often than roleblocks

[NotAnAxehole]

@Marmot I'm sticking to sheeping you, but also recommend maybe moving to Gavial

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Marmot I'm sticking to sheeping you, but also recommend maybe moving to Gavial

gonna casually mention that this is probably not necessary

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook, if you want me to not vote you I'm kinda need to know who you think are maf and who you think are town

@NotAnAxehole I'm town red heavy and self saved last night. Just putting that here for you to read. Also you @DrWilgy.

NAA why you no push Nanook?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME who do you want to chop today?

I'm pretty disengaged from this game, sorry. Just...has not been the most fun environment, for me.

Anyways ill probably just sheep Marmot at eod, tbh.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Should I start adding this to my stock response?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Look, i don't really find this game enjoyable, which is fine, not every game is fun, im doing what I can to slog through but I have very little desire to engage with this game more than I already am. If the time comes when i need to do more (ie close to Fx), I will do so--and not to toot my own horn, but I have a decent track record of doing so successfully.

In the mean time im going to sheep the functionally confirmed town Marmot, loosely follow the mech so im not lost later if applicable, and chill. If that means I get tked, fine, ill leave a legacy that will probably be decent to good and probably be ignored. I flat out refuse to kick it into full gear in this game until the gamestate demands it, and I do not believe the current gamestate requires it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

To be clear it's not affecting rl and you shouldn't feel bad for me, this isn't ate it's just me laying out why I'm not super engaged here. It isn't affecting rl, just the amount of time I choose to spend on this particular game.

[MacDougall]

ok

[TonyStarkPrime]

nanook would probably be upset if I called this ate but idk it makes me not want to chop him

[Gavial]

@DrWilgy
@MacDougall
@LinearPoint
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
@NotAnAxehole

I want you 6 to remember something very important.
TSP being Mafia Sniper confirms Falcon as Mafia.

Mphh

How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.

Mh mphm mhfn. Mhph mph mh mf mph.

Wilgy, maybe you can make a reads list, with less mphhs being more towny, and more mphhs being more scummy

if you can't list a player, then do separate lines, with the 1st line being teh first player on the player list, second line being second, and so on (skipping dead people, or you could include them)

I conquer @DrWilgy

[Gavial]

Look, i don't really find this game enjoyable, which is fine, not every game is fun, im doing what I can to slog through but I have very little desire to engage with this game more than I already am. If the time comes when i need to do more (ie close to Fx), I will do so--and not to toot my own horn, but I have a decent track record of doing so successfully.

In the mean time im going to sheep the functionally confirmed town Marmot, loosely follow the mech so im not lost later if applicable, and chill. If that means I get tked, fine, ill leave a legacy that will probably be decent to good and probably be ignored. I flat out refuse to kick it into full gear in this game until the gamestate demands it, and I do not believe the current gamestate requires it.

To be clear it's not affecting rl and you shouldn't feel bad for me, this isn't ate it's just me laying out why I'm not super engaged here. It isn't affecting rl, just the amount of time I choose to spend on this particular game.

Me wanna vote Falcon but me know it isn’t optimal.
Me think this is town AtE but me also know this is Nanook.

[Gavial]

nanook would probably be upset if I called this ate but idk it makes me not want to chop him

I’m feeling that as well tbh but he’s still optimal here.
Him and Jack.
Like even if it’s You, Falcon and Marmot the Nanook yeet is the most optimal kill here

[Gavial]

Why did Falcon vote off of me? Lmao.

[Dolby]

tbh I really disagree teh argument that Jack and Nanook are optimal bc of roleblocks

like, there are worlds where they are v/v

Also get the town AtE vibes I really can't see anything that seems town indicative from him besides that

[Gavial]

tbh I really disagree teh argument that Jack and Nanook are optimal bc of roleblocks

like, there are worlds where they are v/v

Also get the town AtE vibes I really can't see anything that seems town indicative from him besides that

Mhm that’s Nanook.
It’s best to prepare for the worst and have a late game team that can find the wolves the best.

[Gavial]

Whoever is Spy, I’d consider for you to use your kill to go on Falcon or TSP.
Sig is other Medic and I’m pretty certain both Roleblocker are town.
Sig is most likely the town medic between him and Falcon so.