GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Paopan]

@Paopan talk to me about your read on sabie?

without iso'ing them i surface-level remember some kinda pingy posts but nothing that without iso'ing struck me as a hard wolf tell

Probably because I don't see any commitment?
I can only see no in-game information, setup speculation, and doesn't commit to any kind of reads albeit 28h~ has already passed
If she managed to stay alive on day 2-3. How are we going to assess her slot?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait did MR claim 3P

[TonyStarkPrime]

C’mon people

[Paopan]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

It's not she doesn't have a bad read. But that she doesn't have a read at all and that is my main issue at this stage

[112]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

It's not she doesn't have a bad read. But that she doesn't have a read at all and that is my main issue at this stage

I'm not sure you understood my post.

[Seanzie]

Who has shots and why also

I have a shot, strongly thinking about shooting you. Any legacy you want to give before I do?

[dyachei]

Wait did MR claim 3P

I dont think he did? he just seems flat to me

[alexa]

I want to kill marmot just for this post

Is there a red on nutella too? I really did miss a lot.

just want to add from my backreading that this hard spews me V/not partnered w/marmot

[alexa]

JPIC prolly V

[Paopan]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

I approached the game in a way that ends up for me to scum read you.
If you flip scum. Then yay. If not, then I'm gonna get scum read
But it's a trade-off I'm willing to risk

[Paopan]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

It's not she doesn't have a bad read. But that she doesn't have a read at all and that is my main issue at this stage

I'm not sure you understood my post.

Sorry

[nutella]

I'm not caught up but the LP thing is ridiculous, I read the OP before the game started and knew about the captain stuff but didn't know there was soup so @Urist you are just wrong

[ilario]

112 (wolf)
- I don't see any valuable information he gave aside from the BoKnow vote

alexa (town)
+1 - Incredible solvy (NAI, but its solvy so I'll give it a pass)
- Just gonna drop here that I view alexa and Alison as twins

Alison (town)
+1 - Incredible solvy
- for being voted by Marmot (might be a bus, might be a scum who got into Alison's crosshairs)

Belzy (town)
- Could've been a +1 or -1. But she's "too towny". It kinda sets my alarm off. Just noting

BoKnows (wolf)
-1 - No impact on the game. Policy D1 lynch?

c4e5g3d5 (town)
+1 - Incredible solvy

Creature (wolf)
-1 I don't like how he always rides along with someone else’s opinion
-1 Changing his vote without posting/telling publicly

DrWilgy (policy)
- No opinion. Just that he plays his typical scum play

dyachei (wolf)
- For shooting a wolf
- I don't feel good since C4 is already planning to shoot Marmot.
- Probably shot Marmot first to earn some town cred

Dyslexicon (wolf)
-1 "towny" intro feels off. I think this is a wolf

EnderWiggin (policy)
-1 No intention of playing the game. I'm deeply saddened

falcon45ca (wolf)
-1 Personally don't like the slot

Guillotine (town)
- Typical Guillo. Just likes to press people. Not familiar with scumplay soo there's that.

hollowkatt (town)
- Not sure about this slot. Is this her typical townplay?

ilario (town)
+1 okay okay pretty cool (might be a deep wolf. but that's a problem for another day)

Justplayingitcool (town)
+1 Cool entrance also, me likey

LinearPoint (wolf)
+1 Neeko is solvy, I like also
-1 I see no AtE which I am used to town!LP

Master Radishes (3P)
- Abilities feels like RNG, would benefit town; statistically speaking.
+1 for having 0 counterclaim on the 3P slot

NotAnAxehole (town)
- Would personally like to proceed with NAA regardless of alignment

nutella (wolf)
+1 or -1 - Creature and Nutella feels W/W

Phil and Gloria (town)
+1 for having the same tone when he's town, post lower than usual today (might be NAI but for me its good)

Porscha (wolf)
-1 Late entry and I do not like the entry :/

sabie12 (wolf)
-1 Don't like

Seanzie (town)
+1 Same gameplay as his townplay (might be a replicated play from his scum pool but meh)

sig (policy)
- Meh

Sloonei (policy)
-1 changes his train a lot, I don't like; non-helpful

TonyStarkPrime (wolf)
-1 for having non-towny post

Urist (town)
+1 for "outing" LP and starting the engine of day 1
-1 for deathtunelling LP (would be better to check who also TRs Neeko that would help us solve further)

Take:
You guys rely on meta-read too much.
If some players levelled up their gameplay. It's going to bite us in the end
Have so many wolf read atm
Marmot flip confirms my theory that Mafia Capt picked players instead of roles (mixed it with GOAT and non-GOAT players)

i enjoy when people put me in deep wolf category, happens every game lmao

[nutella]

@nutella @alexa you ok if dizzy/MR die?

As of now I townlean radish and scumlean dizzy, would flip dizzy

[sabie12]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

Sure they can. Just weird he chose me to say confident is scum out of all the people in this game when I haven't had a chance to even be here and participate much. I guess I see now why Alexa felt weird about his post about her earlier on the game when he doesnt know her. I think it's easy to go after low posting people and be like oh well she wasn't involved anyway so no loss if we kill her off and she's town. I don't blame him for suspecting me just weird that he is so adamant about me in particular.

[ilario]

i don't want to kill sabie12 is that is a thing

idk i barely noticed them but their post above yours was kinda towny

[sabie12]

Wait did MR claim 3P

Did they? How so?

[Paopan]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

Sure they can. Just weird he chose me to say confident is scum out of all the people in this game when I haven't had a chance to even be here and participate much. I guess I see now why Alexa felt weird about his post about her earlier on the game when he doesnt know her. I think it's easy to go after low posting people and be like oh well she wasn't involved anyway so no loss if we kill her off and she's town. I don't blame him for suspecting me just weird that he is so adamant about me in particular.

It's a scum tell on my part.
I highly think some people here are only town reading you due to meta reasons

Wait did MR claim 3P

Did they? How so?

my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

[falcon45ca]

Pao has wolf reads, but they mostly read as "don't like the slot"...no words as to why, which is odd given how many words they've been using in general

[Paopan]

Pao has wolf reads, but they mostly read as "don't like the slot"...no words as to why, which is odd given how many words they've been using in general

You are crazy if you want someone to overanalyze everyone in this game at its current state

[Seanzie]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

Sure they can. Just weird he chose me to say confident is scum out of all the people in this game when I haven't had a chance to even be here and participate much. I guess I see now why Alexa felt weird about his post about her earlier on the game when he doesnt know her. I think it's easy to go after low posting people and be like oh well she wasn't involved anyway so no loss if we kill her off and she's town. I don't blame him for suspecting me just weird that he is so adamant about me in particular.

It's a scum tell on my part.
I highly think some people here are only town reading you due to meta reasons

Wait did MR claim 3P

Did they? How so?

my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

For the record, Master Radishes posts there are directly copied from last years Game of Champions (They were Alison's posts). This was very clearly a fluff joke and not an actual 3p claim.

[Alison]

I have just been held up by something IRL. I'll get on later tonight or tomorrow.

[112]

I have just been held up by something IRL. I'll get on later tonight or tomorrow.

I hope it's nothing bad!

I have to go buy something to eat soon, so I'll be gone for maybe 20 minutes myself.

[Paopan]

Pao has wolf reads, but they mostly read as "don't like the slot"...no words as to why, which is odd given how many words they've been using in general

We have played games where I am scum and town

Now, kindly describe this statement and give us what is this particularly.
I'm assuming this is a wolf read since this is the main reason you are voting for me, right?
If that so, can you relate a moment in any of our past games that my huge post is a scumtell

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

112 (wolf)
- I don't see any valuable information he gave aside from the BoKnow vote

alexa (town)
+1 - Incredible solvy (NAI, but its solvy so I'll give it a pass)
- Just gonna drop here that I view alexa and Alison as twins

Alison (town)
+1 - Incredible solvy
- for being voted by Marmot (might be a bus, might be a scum who got into Alison's crosshairs)

Belzy (town)
- Could've been a +1 or -1. But she's "too towny". It kinda sets my alarm off. Just noting

BoKnows (wolf)
-1 - No impact on the game. Policy D1 lynch?

c4e5g3d5 (town)
+1 - Incredible solvy

Creature (wolf)
-1 I don't like how he always rides along with someone else’s opinion
-1 Changing his vote without posting/telling publicly

DrWilgy (policy)
- No opinion. Just that he plays his typical scum play

dyachei (wolf)
- For shooting a wolf
- I don't feel good since C4 is already planning to shoot Marmot.
- Probably shot Marmot first to earn some town cred

Dyslexicon (wolf)
-1 "towny" intro feels off. I think this is a wolf

EnderWiggin (policy)
-1 No intention of playing the game. I'm deeply saddened

falcon45ca (wolf)
-1 Personally don't like the slot

Guillotine (town)
- Typical Guillo. Just likes to press people. Not familiar with scumplay soo there's that.

hollowkatt (town)
- Not sure about this slot. Is this her typical townplay?

ilario (town)
+1 okay okay pretty cool (might be a deep wolf. but that's a problem for another day)

Justplayingitcool (town)
+1 Cool entrance also, me likey

LinearPoint (wolf)
+1 Neeko is solvy, I like also
-1 I see no AtE which I am used to town!LP

Master Radishes (3P)
- Abilities feels like RNG, would benefit town; statistically speaking.
+1 for having 0 counterclaim on the 3P slot

NotAnAxehole (town)
- Would personally like to proceed with NAA regardless of alignment

nutella (wolf)
+1 or -1 - Creature and Nutella feels W/W

Phil and Gloria (town)
+1 for having the same tone when he's town, post lower than usual today (might be NAI but for me its good)

Porscha (wolf)
-1 Late entry and I do not like the entry :/

sabie12 (wolf)
-1 Don't like

Seanzie (town)
+1 Same gameplay as his townplay (might be a replicated play from his scum pool but meh)

sig (policy)
- Meh

Sloonei (policy)
-1 changes his train a lot, I don't like; non-helpful

TonyStarkPrime (wolf)
-1 for having non-towny post

Urist (town)
+1 for "outing" LP and starting the engine of day 1
-1 for deathtunelling LP (would be better to check who also TRs Neeko that would help us solve further)

Take:
You guys rely on meta-read too much.
If some players levelled up their gameplay. It's going to bite us in the end
Have so many wolf read atm
Marmot flip confirms my theory that Mafia Capt picked players instead of roles (mixed it with GOAT and non-GOAT players)

I don't hate this nearly as much as I hated the first big wall. I don't necessarily agree with your takes and I'm still concerned about your "policy" list b/c I'm not sure how you're getting there at all but I believe you believe in this.

[hollowkatt]

NAA otoh has been parked on me for a while so lets go there
[VOTE: notanaxehole] aubergine

[Paopan]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

Sure they can. Just weird he chose me to say confident is scum out of all the people in this game when I haven't had a chance to even be here and participate much. I guess I see now why Alexa felt weird about his post about her earlier on the game when he doesnt know her. I think it's easy to go after low posting people and be like oh well she wasn't involved anyway so no loss if we kill her off and she's town. I don't blame him for suspecting me just weird that he is so adamant about me in particular.

It's a scum tell on my part.
I highly think some people here are only town reading you due to meta reasons

Wait did MR claim 3P

Did they? How so?

my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

For the record, Master Radishes posts there are directly copied from last years Game of Champions (They were Alison's posts). This was very clearly a fluff joke and not an actual 3p claim.

Cultural differences. My bad.

[falcon45ca]

Pao has wolf reads, but they mostly read as "don't like the slot"...no words as to why, which is odd given how many words they've been using in general

You are crazy if you want someone to overanalyze everyone in this game at its current state

I agree.


Town usually take the game in chunks, deal w/ the players that stick out to them, particularly in a game this size.



Scum tho....well, big wall posts w/ small blurbs on lots of players that don't really say anything...that's scummy

[falcon45ca]

Pao has wolf reads, but they mostly read as "don't like the slot"...no words as to why, which is odd given how many words they've been using in general

We have played games where I am scum and town

Now, kindly describe this statement and give us what is this particularly.
I'm assuming this is a wolf read since this is the main reason you are voting for me, right?
If that so, can you relate a moment in any of our past games that my huge post is a scumtell

You've been a wolf in a game we played? Which one?



I recall the town game, and uou didn't post like that at all. That's the scum read basis

[hollowkatt]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

I approached the game in a way that ends up for me to scum read you.
If you flip scum. Then yay. If not, then I'm gonna get scum read
But it's a trade-off I'm willing to risk

so either sabie/paopan w/w or paopan town b/c that's either a bus or it's incredibly pure. I do not think this is w?paopan vs town?sabie

[LinearPoint]

Neeko's still pretty sure Paopan is Town here, significantly less flaky than their Mafia game.
Also Falcon is just wrong that Town don't have reads D1.

[hollowkatt]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

Sure they can. Just weird he chose me to say confident is scum out of all the people in this game when I haven't had a chance to even be here and participate much. I guess I see now why Alexa felt weird about his post about her earlier on the game when he doesnt know her. I think it's easy to go after low posting people and be like oh well she wasn't involved anyway so no loss if we kill her off and she's town. I don't blame him for suspecting me just weird that he is so adamant about me in particular.

do you think it's lamist then when he says "if sabie flips town I'll get wolf read but I'll take that trade"

[sabie12]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

Sure they can. Just weird he chose me to say confident is scum out of all the people in this game when I haven't had a chance to even be here and participate much. I guess I see now why Alexa felt weird about his post about her earlier on the game when he doesnt know her. I think it's easy to go after low posting people and be like oh well she wasn't involved anyway so no loss if we kill her off and she's town. I don't blame him for suspecting me just weird that he is so adamant about me in particular.

It's a scum tell on my part.
I highly think some people here are only town reading you due to meta reasons

Wait did MR claim 3P

Did they? How so?

my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

How would you know anything about people meta reading me if you aren't familiar with my meta and don't agree with meta reads? Unless I missed the part where anyone said that. I guess maybe I'm overthinking just seems like you're talking to someone who knows my meta. I was thinking you were just town trying to navigate a different environment with players you're not familiar with. Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot. If you have questions about where I stand on things you could just ask.

[Paopan]

Pao has wolf reads, but they mostly read as "don't like the slot"...no words as to why, which is odd given how many words they've been using in general

You are crazy if you want someone to overanalyze everyone in this game at its current state

I agree.


Town usually take the game in chunks, deal w/ the players that stick out to them, particularly in a game this size.



Scum tho....well, big wall posts w/ small blurbs on lots of players that don't really say anything...that's scummy

I'll tell you the benefits of wall post
- Huge overview = More engagement = Might be helpful to use as a reference to look for some wolves after I died
- Positive Thread health (Honestly, It's 29/48h of Day 1 and we are already at 2.4k+ post where more than half of them are one-liner fluffs
- Can give people a fresh perspective. Mindmelding would be possible and can push lurkers where it would force them to come out

[Paopan]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

Sure they can. Just weird he chose me to say confident is scum out of all the people in this game when I haven't had a chance to even be here and participate much. I guess I see now why Alexa felt weird about his post about her earlier on the game when he doesnt know her. I think it's easy to go after low posting people and be like oh well she wasn't involved anyway so no loss if we kill her off and she's town. I don't blame him for suspecting me just weird that he is so adamant about me in particular.

It's a scum tell on my part.
I highly think some people here are only town reading you due to meta reasons

Wait did MR claim 3P

Did they? How so?

my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

How would you know anything about people meta reading me if you aren't familiar with my meta and don't agree with meta reads? Unless I missed the part where anyone said that. I guess maybe I'm overthinking just seems like you're talking to someone who knows my meta. I was thinking you were just town trying to navigate a different environment with players you're not familiar with. Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot. If you have questions about where I stand on things you could just ask.

Mmm I think you are right. But I still don't like how you have 0 committed reads on anyone so far. So I think your interaction with me is a good start.
But currently, I'm leaning on You (sabie), Creature, and ElderWiggin

[NotAnAxehole]

Who has shots and why also

I have 3 shots - COVID-19

[falcon45ca]

Pao has wolf reads, but they mostly read as "don't like the slot"...no words as to why, which is odd given how many words they've been using in general

You are crazy if you want someone to overanalyze everyone in this game at its current state

I agree.


Town usually take the game in chunks, deal w/ the players that stick out to them, particularly in a game this size.



Scum tho....well, big wall posts w/ small blurbs on lots of players that don't really say anything...that's scummy

I'll tell you the benefits of wall post
- Huge overview = More engagement = Might be helpful to use as a reference to look for some wolves after I died
- Positive Thread health (Honestly, It's 29/48h of Day 1 and we are already at 2.4k+ post where more than half of them are one-liner fluffs
- Can give people a fresh perspective. Mindmelding would be possible and can push lurkers where it would force them to come out

If wall posting has so many positive benefits, why is this the first time I'm seeing it from you?

[Paopan]

Pao has wolf reads, but they mostly read as "don't like the slot"...no words as to why, which is odd given how many words they've been using in general

You are crazy if you want someone to overanalyze everyone in this game at its current state

I agree.


Town usually take the game in chunks, deal w/ the players that stick out to them, particularly in a game this size.



Scum tho....well, big wall posts w/ small blurbs on lots of players that don't really say anything...that's scummy

I'll tell you the benefits of wall post
- Huge overview = More engagement = Might be helpful to use as a reference to look for some wolves after I died
- Positive Thread health (Honestly, It's 29/48h of Day 1 and we are already at 2.4k+ post where more than half of them are one-liner fluffs
- Can give people a fresh perspective. Mindmelding would be possible and can push lurkers where it would force them to come out

If wall posting has so many positive benefits, why is this the first time I'm seeing it from you?

As I have stated before, I'm still looking for the kind of playstyle I am comfortable with.
And this is also GoC for christ sake. It's a shame for my homesite if I'm not going to play to the fullest.

[sabie12]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

Sure they can. Just weird he chose me to say confident is scum out of all the people in this game when I haven't had a chance to even be here and participate much. I guess I see now why Alexa felt weird about his post about her earlier on the game when he doesnt know her. I think it's easy to go after low posting people and be like oh well she wasn't involved anyway so no loss if we kill her off and she's town. I don't blame him for suspecting me just weird that he is so adamant about me in particular.

do you think it's lamist then when he says "if sabie flips town I'll get wolf read but I'll take that trade"

I don't know maybe? Like feigning confidence in a read because there's nothing to go off of. I mean my initial response was me being snarky to see where that focus on me was coming from.

[alexa]

why are people considering dizzy scummy? i'm still in process of rring but i do not see this at all and historically i have a very good read on them, if that matters

[sabie12]

I'm just wondering why dyslexicon MR and creature are still voting for scotty who has been flipped town.

[alexa]

dude idk why the heck guillo guillo pressures me for "outing" him as day vig then claims night vig

i am still sus of that slot.

[falcon45ca]

Pao has wolf reads, but they mostly read as "don't like the slot"...no words as to why, which is odd given how many words they've been using in general

You are crazy if you want someone to overanalyze everyone in this game at its current state

I agree.


Town usually take the game in chunks, deal w/ the players that stick out to them, particularly in a game this size.



Scum tho....well, big wall posts w/ small blurbs on lots of players that don't really say anything...that's scummy

I'll tell you the benefits of wall post
- Huge overview = More engagement = Might be helpful to use as a reference to look for some wolves after I died
- Positive Thread health (Honestly, It's 29/48h of Day 1 and we are already at 2.4k+ post where more than half of them are one-liner fluffs
- Can give people a fresh perspective. Mindmelding would be possible and can push lurkers where it would force them to come out

If wall posting has so many positive benefits, why is this the first time I'm seeing it from you?

As I have stated before, I'm still looking for the kind of playstyle I am comfortable with.
And this is also GoC for christ sake. It's a shame for my homesite if I'm not going to play to the fullest.

OK, I can live with that. For now.


Now that you & I have had some interactions, if you're able to expand on your slot read on me that would be delightful.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

I'm just wondering why dyslexicon MR and creature are still voting for scotty who has been flipped town.

Dizzy & MR are across the Atlantic Ocean, so that could be a factor

[sabie12]

why are people considering dizzy scummy? i'm still in process of rring but i do not see this at all and historically i have a very good read on them, if that matters

I'm thinking because they were defending marmot who flipped mafia. I don't know if that's a norm for them though to defend a teammate like that.

[DrWilgy]

why did wilgy request to be shot?

Because I'm cute and lazy

[c4e5g3d5]

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

I approached the game in a way that ends up for me to scum read you.
If you flip scum. Then yay. If not, then I'm gonna get scum read
But it's a trade-off I'm willing to risk

so either sabie/paopan w/w or paopan town b/c that's either a bus or it's incredibly pure. I do not think this is w?paopan vs town?sabie

Second

[c4e5g3d5]

I'm very tempted to just shoot Sloon

[falcon45ca]

I'm very tempted to just shoot Sloon

Announcing your plans aloud is a good way to hear God laugh...or so I've been told

[falcon45ca]

why are people considering dizzy scummy? i'm still in process of rring but i do not see this at all and historically i have a very good read on them, if that matters

I'm thinking because they were defending marmot who flipped mafia. I don't know if that's a norm for them though to defend a teammate like that.

I know Dizzy doesn't like bussing teammates, especially early on