Highway Heist (MAFIA WIN)

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

[Hally]

i wanna kill NAA over mac and alison

to me NAA’s play just reads like open wolfing while daring anyone to do anything about it and then snickering to himself when he skates by

also the difficulty i’ve had getting traction on my push on him while other targets have gotten votes very easily indicates he’s a wolf

i see he’s since gotten a vote from marmot but idc about that because i v read marmot, and jay seems to be the only other person willing to push NAA with me and i v read him too, whereas it feels like every other wagon has been joined by people i don’t v read

NAA just feels like the play here

[Hally]

for anyone who missed it

Top Guess: JJJ

2nd Guess: Dizzy

Somehow I think the other two are more likely to vote Alison D1 as town. And I think JJJ's been scummy in general.

I suppose you could be right about Jay. He probably hasn't been as towny as he'd need to be to be as townread as he has been at least.

Jay gave a list early on that was so outrageous to me (me, Alison, Hally as top scum reads), certainly after Hally more or less left wolf range (I think - Limited/No personal experience dealing with them).

I think Alison has done some towny things... And is over scrutinized compared to her regular game.

I'm town...

So I'm wondering what compelled JJJ to release such a terrible reads list, I assume it's just that he's mafia. I think JJJ voting Alison makes it incredibly likely one of them is wolf, and JJJ has been wolfy.

weren’t you suspecting me around that time too?

Yeah, but I dropped it around the time when I asked why you were upset at me for basically reciprocating a "what you just did was scummy".

but that was after jay listed me as a wolf read lol

you were wolf reading me at the same time he was so why is it wolfy when he does it?

The timeline isn't relevant. Either the read is correct or incorrect. Reads are formed based on that check.

this is not a real take

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think I would be comfortable with NAA and Alison wagons prevailing right now.

[Master Radishes]

Imagine it's Alison/NAA and both wolves have sat on my wagon for the bulk of the Day.

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Imagine it's Alison/NAA and both wolves have sat on my wagon for the bulk of the Day.

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.

I've considered it. NAA's sheep isn't terribly hard to view through that lens.

[Hally]

@Dyslexicon think it was you that asked why jimmay is town

the best reason i have is that all his reads make perfect sense to me and i agree with them, and every other time jay and i have been v/v we’ve come to really similar reads (and those reads end up being very accurate)

i really have no reason to doubt that’s what’s happening here other than jay is not as blindingly obvious town as i’ve seen him be, but i didn’t really expect that anyway

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.

Would you say that you are Master Bait?

[Hally]

Imagine it's Alison/NAA and both wolves have sat on my wagon for the bulk of the Day.

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.

would be surprised if it’s exactly NAA/alison just because it would be like a whole new level of wolf trolling lol, but i don’t think they’re v/v either

i would actually maybe soft clear the other if one of them flips wolf, so we should try to lunch the wolf in there

[Dyslexicon]

no burn intended I am just trying to make you recognise the hypocrisy of claiming my play "leads nowhere" when your current play is to yolo a vote onto a town Mac

You're a possible chop. C4 is not. So it leads somewhere. Potentially. Your alignment is irrelevant.

If you want to understand my perspective. But if you want to moan, feel free.

[Hally]

Imagine it's Alison/NAA and both wolves have sat on my wagon for the bulk of the Day.

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.

I've considered it. NAA's sheep isn't terribly hard to view through that lens.

any other interactions stick out to you within your PoE? i know in the past you’ve tended to solve through interactions a lot even on D1

not expecting a chart, just anything you’ve noted

[Master Radishes]

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.

Would you say that you are Master Bait?

[Dyslexicon]

That's an invitation for someone to say 'ah you see MR, C4 is lock town because...'

Just a lot of self reflective reacting to [situations] in a way I think would be hard to fake as scum. He just writes from a very towny perspective. Which fits with what I know of his town game, and I don't think he's as good at it as mafia. I'm ready to be fooled, but it's enough for me to just say he's town tbh.

Maybe this is abstract, but too lazy to find examples. It's basically a constant.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Imagine it's Alison/NAA and both wolves have sat on my wagon for the bulk of the Day.

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.

I've considered it. NAA's sheep isn't terribly hard to view through that lens.

any other interactions stick out to you within your PoE? i know in the past you’ve tended to solve through interactions a lot even on D1

not expecting a chart, just anything you’ve noted

Let me take a quick look.

[Dyslexicon]

I''m surprised Marmot is so willing to kill me on a whim.

Most players are willing to kill you on a whim. I will be willing to kill you on a whim all day phases in this game. This is an invitation to whomever this concerns.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone else notice that ISOs are a bit weird now? Quoted material within posts are collapsed into the post, and it makes it harder than it usually is to interpret. I think it's because posts are being truncated now, and they weren't in the past.

[Dyslexicon]

I''m surprised Marmot is so willing to kill me on a whim.

I haven't fully grasped what my read is on you, so I placed a vote while I muse on it.

There are a couple things you've done that bug me. One is that you've defended yourself a number of times this game with the statement "It's a minor technicality".

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

I jest, but those reads

The timeline is relevant when you treated my reads the same way at the time.

Maybe I did... Still minor technicality. I didn't wolf read Hally till Alison did.

This is one of those intricacies where NAA is using a speciific phrase to describe something, and has done it multiple times. I don't know why, but this sort of thing bugs me. It's like, recycling a phrase to explain something without explaining it using more words, or in this case, to lighten the severity of the topic in question.

I don't feel like I can explain this very well. I tried.


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Another thing is this sheeping of Alison on MR. I find Alison to be scummier in this game than MR, so even if we're going to treat those two players as a difference check (or dichotomy or whatever), I would rather elim Alison first.


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Also you're the only person in this game who hasn't locked me in as town.

This post is interesting. I wonder though, if it's a minor technicality.

[Hally]

no burn intended I am just trying to make you recognise the hypocrisy of claiming my play "leads nowhere" when your current play is to yolo a vote onto a town Mac

You're a possible chop. C4 is not. So it leads somewhere. Potentially. Your alignment is irrelevant.

If you want to understand my perspective. But if you want to moan, feel free.

this reminds me, i actually think mac’s moaning is king wolfy for him

when he’s v i feel like he gets motivated by pressure and is all “i’m gonna bitchslap the wokves now,” but his response here has felt kinda weaksauce so far

[Hally]

Anyone else notice that ISOs are a bit weird now? Quoted material within posts are collapsed into the post, and it makes it harder than it usually is to interpret. I think it's because posts are being truncated now, and they weren't in the past.

yea it’s annoying lol

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Hasn't claimed gay yet. This is a serious vote.

im gay

[Hally]

idk i feel like mac is kinda in between his town and wolf metas now

sometimes he feels ok but then sometimes he feels kinda farty and i don’t really know if he’s trying to find wolves

most conflicted read rn for me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I''m surprised Marmot is so willing to kill me on a whim.

I haven't fully grasped what my read is on you, so I placed a vote while I muse on it.

There are a couple things you've done that bug me. One is that you've defended yourself a number of times this game with the statement "It's a minor technicality".

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

I jest, but those reads

The timeline is relevant when you treated my reads the same way at the time.

Maybe I did... Still minor technicality. I didn't wolf read Hally till Alison did.

This is one of those intricacies where NAA is using a speciific phrase to describe something, and has done it multiple times. I don't know why, but this sort of thing bugs me. It's like, recycling a phrase to explain something without explaining it using more words, or in this case, to lighten the severity of the topic in question.

I don't feel like I can explain this very well. I tried.


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Another thing is this sheeping of Alison on MR. I find Alison to be scummier in this game than MR, so even if we're going to treat those two players as a difference check (or dichotomy or whatever), I would rather elim Alison first.


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Also you're the only person in this game who hasn't locked me in as town.

Am I a joke to you

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone else notice that ISOs are a bit weird now? Quoted material within posts are collapsed into the post, and it makes it harder than it usually is to interpret. I think it's because posts are being truncated now, and they weren't in the past.

yea it’s annoying lol

I was about to just go ahead and do a quick interactions chart, but this is actually debilitating to my methods. I can't.

I'll dig around the hard way I guess.

[Dyslexicon]

Why do we actually town read Hally again? I've already forgotten.

Does Jimmay always write posts that seems so academic they basically end up lacking meaning (to me?) Have I just forgotten. I feel like every statement and every read is just "quantitively this and qualitatively that but inverse it and flip it at its head over time and you'll get the sum of my concern for the nuances of.." Ok, this is totally a parody and done with a lot of love, I hope you believe me Jimmay. And it may very, very well be more on my side. I just find it hard to process what your actual point is a lot of the time.

[Dyslexicon]

no burn intended I am just trying to make you recognise the hypocrisy of claiming my play "leads nowhere" when your current play is to yolo a vote onto a town Mac

You're a possible chop. C4 is not. So it leads somewhere. Potentially. Your alignment is irrelevant.

If you want to understand my perspective. But if you want to moan, feel free.

this reminds me, i actually think mac’s moaning is king wolfy for him

when he’s v i feel like he gets motivated by pressure and is all “i’m gonna bitchslap the wokves now,” but his response here has felt kinda weaksauce so far

That's what I've been saying. He's moany, arguing points that doesn't matter and not really solving the game afaic.

But I almost feel like he's town playing his wolf meta, though I don't know why I feel this way.

[Hally]

Why do we actually town read Hally again? I've already forgotten.

Does Jimmay always write posts that seems so academic they basically end up lacking meaning (to me?) Have I just forgotten. I feel like every statement and every read is just "quantitively this and qualitatively that but inverse it and flip it at its head over time and you'll get the sum of my concern for the nuances of.." Ok, this is totally a parody and done with a lot of love, I hope you believe me Jimmay. And it may very, very well be more on my side. I just find it hard to process what your actual point is a lot of the time.

because i’m villagery af

[Dyslexicon]

I'm just like scolding everyones play style and how they are "doing it wrong".
Alison, get better reads Jesus.
Jimmay, write differently.
Mac, don't be a pouty poutface.

^Dizzy is confirmed town. Thank you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why do we actually town read Hally again? I've already forgotten.

Does Jimmay always write posts that seems so academic they basically end up lacking meaning (to me?) Have I just forgotten. I feel like every statement and every read is just "quantitively this and qualitatively that but inverse it and flip it at its head over time and you'll get the sum of my concern for the nuances of.." Ok, this is totally a parody and done with a lot of love, I hope you believe me Jimmay. And it may very, very well be more on my side. I just find it hard to process what your actual point is a lot of the time.

I have a theory about your problem. It may be completely wrong; I don't know. But I will share:

Right now your Mafia energy is visibly, tangibly drained. You don't have the spark or the fire that I have seen you play with before. That's okay. I don't have it either. Regardless, in that state it is going to be difficult for you to absorb and to deal with logicbrain posts and academics. The simple answer is that yes, I do always make those posts. Always. Perhaps you just don't have the playing fortitude right now to stomach them, and it's giving you the wrong impression about what I am doing. It's also easy enough to forget such a specific tendency when I hardly ever play anymore.

[Dyslexicon]

Why do we actually town read Hally again? I've already forgotten.

Does Jimmay always write posts that seems so academic they basically end up lacking meaning (to me?) Have I just forgotten. I feel like every statement and every read is just "quantitively this and qualitatively that but inverse it and flip it at its head over time and you'll get the sum of my concern for the nuances of.." Ok, this is totally a parody and done with a lot of love, I hope you believe me Jimmay. And it may very, very well be more on my side. I just find it hard to process what your actual point is a lot of the time.

because i’m villagery af

Are you though? I mean, yes. But does that mean anything? Probably. Not a problem for today.

[Master Radishes]

Why do we actually town read Hally again? I've already forgotten.

They're my mason.

[Dyslexicon]

Why do we actually town read Hally again? I've already forgotten.

Does Jimmay always write posts that seems so academic they basically end up lacking meaning (to me?) Have I just forgotten. I feel like every statement and every read is just "quantitively this and qualitatively that but inverse it and flip it at its head over time and you'll get the sum of my concern for the nuances of.." Ok, this is totally a parody and done with a lot of love, I hope you believe me Jimmay. And it may very, very well be more on my side. I just find it hard to process what your actual point is a lot of the time.

I have a theory about your problem. It may be completely wrong; I don't know. But I will share:

Right now your Mafia energy is visibly, tangibly drained. You don't have the spark or the fire that I have seen you play with before. That's okay. I don't have it either. Regardless, in that state it is going to be difficult for you to absorb and to deal with logicbrain posts and academics. The simple answer is that yes, I do always make those posts. Always. Perhaps you just don't have the playing fortitude right now to stomach them, and it's giving you the wrong impression about what I am doing. It's also easy enough to forget such a specific tendency when I hardly ever play anymore.

This is all reasonable.

The last time I played, I was mafia. So I just had to agree lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dizzy is town. I'm at four confident town reads. That's not enough.

[Hally]

I'm just like scolding everyones play style and how they are "doing it wrong".
Alison, get better reads Jesus.
Jimmay, write differently.
Mac, don't be a pouty poutface.

^Dizzy is confirmed town. Thank you.

dizzy be like

[Hally]

unironically villagery for him though, yes

[Hally]

bbl

[Master Radishes]

Dizzy is town. I'm at four confident town reads. That's not enough.

Hi

[Master Radishes]

As soon as Jay accepts me in the towncore the wolves will be well and truly boxed in.

[Dyslexicon]

Town reads
c4e5g3d5
Hally
MacDougall
Marmot

There's some dissonance here, but gun to head town
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes

Not town reads
Alison
DrWilgy
Nanook
NAA

At 9 vs. 2, an ordinary set of roles would call for a POE pool of 5 players (2 mafia + 3 mischops). The arrangement of this game's matrix provides the likelihood (certainty?) of a mischop being lost to an extra mafia kill or beloved princess, so reduce the POE to 4. We'd then need 6 town reads to square the game away, which for the moment does seem like a genuine challenge. I have a theoretical POE built above, but I would like to be more confident about it than I am.

I vaguely understand Dizzy's read on Wilgy. I am not sure I agree with it, but I get it.

I don't understand Mac's read on NAA.

@c4e5g3d5 you asked about my Mac read. I'm afraid it's not going to be one that is likely to move your needle a ton, but anyway:

In recent memory, when Mac has been mafia I have been able to tell pretty quickly. There's a certain degree of obviousness about how BS his chaos has been, and it becomes difficult to suspend disbelief for his sake. I don't get that impression generally in this game. I think his reads have mostly made sense and that they have aligned well with my own. When he and I are seeing a similar state of affairs I think that's usually a good sign. The only read of his that I do not follow is his town read on NAA.

I could move Mac down a level to the "dissonance" pile. At the least answering c4's prompt made it clearer to me that I cannot concretely justify a town read. I can vaguely justify it.

@Dyslexicon I'm a sucker for this kind of thing
It's the kind of read where you can see where he's leaning and when throughout even though he doesn't say it explicitly at any point
Then little things like that second post being presented as off topic and not for a specific purpose and how he shows off the original townread more than the retraction even while applying pressure come off has lacking agenda
Just a bunch ofextra hoops for w!Jay to jump through that make me think he's genuinely reading Mac

Not my only reason but it's the one I can recall right now and the one I had the most fun finding

Ok. I think it's a bit like you being confused as to how I town read Wilgy, but at the same time, I'm not that confused. Jimmay can likely be town, and I have no problem seeing that. He hasn't been bad, I also think a large part of it is me not being able to process his posts well, and then wondering if that is his fault (trying to be vague and obfuscate) or me not just having the mental fortitude to process his view.

I'm find trusting your judgement for now ig

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dizzy is town. I'm at four confident town reads. That's not enough.

Hi

I'd like to, but

[Master Radishes]

Dizzy is town. I'm at four confident town reads. That's not enough.

Hi

I'd like to, but

[Dyslexicon]

I'm just like scolding everyones play style and how they are "doing it wrong".
Alison, get better reads Jesus.
Jimmay, write differently.
Mac, don't be a pouty poutface.

^Dizzy is confirmed town. Thank you.

dizzy be like

You get me.

Especially frustrating cause some will suck AND be town. How rude.

(You don't actually suck, it's just that we all are stuck in our own minds, and therein lies the problem of mafia oh wow such game)

[Dyslexicon]

Here is my advice on what to do. First, eliminate Alison so that I won't die today.

If Alison flips scum, then eliminate Mac. If Mac is town, then eliminate Dizzy and Wilgy, in that order.

If Alison flips town, then eliminate me. I will flip town, whereupon which you should eliminate NAA and Wilgy.

I have about a 60% confidence that this solve wins the game. This may not seem like a lot of confidence, but it's actually quite a lot if you think about what I am proposing.

You're a terrible person thank god you're pretty

[Dyslexicon]

i wanna kill NAA over mac and alison

to me NAA’s play just reads like open wolfing while daring anyone to do anything about it and then snickering to himself when he skates by

also the difficulty i’ve had getting traction on my push on him while other targets have gotten votes very easily indicates he’s a wolf

i see he’s since gotten a vote from marmot but idc about that because i v read marmot, and jay seems to be the only other person willing to push NAA with me and i v read him too, whereas it feels like every other wagon has been joined by people i don’t v read

NAA just feels like the play here

(There's only two wolfes, so traction might not be the most reliable thing to go after here).

In any case, I'd vote NAA any day, and especially this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Question for the audience while I try to figure out interactions:

Is Nanook compatible with Alison? There's clearly voting animosity that exists, but it also strikes me as blank and not outside the realm of bussing. Hard to say. I welcome takes.

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon think it was you that asked why jimmay is town

the best reason i have is that all his reads make perfect sense to me and i agree with them, and every other time jay and i have been v/v we’ve come to really similar reads (and those reads end up being very accurate)

i really have no reason to doubt that’s what’s happening here other than jay is not as blindingly obvious town as i’ve seen him be, but i didn’t really expect that anyway

Good enough

[Dyslexicon]

Question for the audience while I try to figure out interactions:

Is Nanook compatible with Alison? There's clearly voting animosity that exists, but it also strikes me as blank and not outside the realm of bussing. Hard to say. I welcome takes.

Yeah. That was my shower theory. I'm not as enthused about a scum!Nook here, but it's not impossible at all.

[Dyslexicon]

Imagine it's Alison/NAA and both wolves have sat on my wagon for the bulk of the Day.

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.

would be surprised if it’s exactly NAA/alison just because it would be like a whole new level of wolf trolling lol, but i don’t think they’re v/v either

i would actually maybe soft clear the other if one of them flips wolf, so we should try to lunch the wolf in there

What exactly would be a whole new level of wolf trolling?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

This post probably tells us everything about the compatibility of Wilgy and MR. My first instinct is incompatible. I present it here anyway because I think it's worth a second look.

[Dyslexicon]

The wagons existing now are fine. This is fine. I feel like we're going to mischop though, which is also very much fine for now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay and mac already outed, mafia in shambles

Nanook town hally town Jay and mac getting rolled

Nanook spewing Mac as his partner.

Nanook town hally town Jay and mac getting rolled

I haven't even seen my role PM yet but I'm assuming you're my partner.

Jay and mac already outed, mafia in shambles

Nanook town hally town Jay and mac getting rolled

Nanook spewing Mac as his partner.

haha mind meld

This sequence makes me doubt Mac and MR are both mafia.