Highway Heist (MAFIA WIN)

[Hally]

i don’t know why i even asked

[JaggedJimmyJay]

GTH reads on Nanook right now go go go

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who wants to help me with a Super Special Interactions Project?

Gonna require explaining things so

[Hally]

i would but i’m really crashing

didn’t sleep well last night at all and my brain is becoming mush

[Hally]

might be done posting til tomorrow

[JaggedJimmyJay]

cool cool cool

[c4e5g3d5]

GTH reads on Nanook right now go go go

w

[JaggedJimmyJay]

GTH reads on Nanook right now go go go

w

What if I were to tell you that in the last hour or so my reads on you and Nanook have inverted?

[c4e5g3d5]

I can help with the project, but like, chances are the most you get out of me is I point out two or three things from the sidelines that I think are interesting
Like my normal play ig

[c4e5g3d5]

GTH reads on Nanook right now go go go

w

What if I were to tell you that in the last hour or so my reads on you and Nanook have inverted?

I mean you've kinda been implying it

[Hally]

still don’t think c4 is a wolf

[JaggedJimmyJay]

still don’t think c4 is a wolf

What gives you the most confidence, if you could summarize quickly?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can help with the project, but like, chances are the most you get out of me is I point out two or three things from the sidelines that I think are interesting
Like my normal play ig

I need 2-way interactions for every living pair. Is there any one player on this list that you think you read particularly well?

[c4e5g3d5]

I can help with the project, but like, chances are the most you get out of me is I point out two or three things from the sidelines that I think are interesting
Like my normal play ig

I need 2-way interactions for every living pair. Is there any one player on this list that you think you read particularly well?

I feel like I can read Hally pretty well but that's just in terms of their own alignment

I did wolf with Radish that one time and got to see specifically how he treated partners so maybe I'd be good at that

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@c4e5g3d5 if you could review each of the MR interactions that’d be spectacular.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I hate losing even more than I hate playing. I will blowing the thread up soon.

[Hally]

still don’t think c4 is a wolf

What gives you the most confidence, if you could summarize quickly?

i’m not thaaat confident, but i do think he would struggle to fake the nuance, conviction and depth to his solving he’s shown here. he’s also not really forcing takes he doesn’t have. like, his solving doesn’t feel performative to me. his posts all read like “here’s a thing i picked up on that i care about” as opposed to saying stuff just to say it. there’s no extra fat to anything he’s doing.

my one reservation is that he was kinda lacking in oomph a bit today before he started pushing nook, but c4 often slides into the PoE as the game goes on because of that (i’ve actually mislunched him for it myself). people get scared that he’s not doing enough but it’s just the way he villages. he only talks when he actually has something interesting to say.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks Hally

[c4e5g3d5]

Radish not with Jay ldo
Radish not with me ldo

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Too much hammer chatter

Must say, I also found this weird. I never felt in danger of being hammered and I even resisted self voting for the meme because I figured it'd be a town more likely to hammer me, not a scum.

And then he doubled down on it which I guess is not really AI but still is a likely enough scum approach when called out on something.

I dont think I've ever seen scum Wilgz though.

This hits all the notes of fanning flames and also hdeges at the exact moment a bussing wolf starts looking for credit, not with Wilgy

I don’t really believe MR is mafia though, which is a problem. But he has been overdoing the I don’t care I’m joking haha play style, and it’s getting super tired

I'm not overdoing anything. I don't like playing D1s, am busy with work as usual, and am phone posting because my laptop is dead and I'm waiting for a new one. I'm keeping up but will not be taking any sort of lead.

Lighter than the others but I don't think this one's a pair

A key reason I was content with chopping Alison was because her case against me was so generic and quite frankly poor as it applies to my meta that I didn't believe she believed it.

So I'm going to try to avoid doing the same to Jay. At this juncture I'd still call him Town anyway, but it's a similar case of a player I hold to high expectations in my head making pretty basic reads with a level of confidence disproportionately high.

Absolutely never

So I can have some light reading on my bus ride home, why was NAA's EoD villagery?

I dont even know what to feel about him, I just don't really get why he's now a town read.

I felt his EoD was a lot of telling rather than showing. He said he tried to help Alison but I'm not sure he showed it.

He is tonally similar to a recent town game I played with him. But tone reads are unreliable.

Was gonna call this unalign light until Radish actively argued himself out of townreading Axe
Then the growing agitation of wanting an explanation from Axe is a pretty hard not w/w

[c4e5g3d5]

So far

Axe Jay moi
Wilgy
Dizzy

All seem unaligned from Radish

[c4e5g3d5]

@JaggedJimmyJay when you did the last chart do you remember particular instances of others treating Radish in an unaligned way that I should skip to

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am literally drowning in irony

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay when you did the last chart do you remember particular instances of others treating Radish in an unaligned way that I should skip to

I do have some in mind, but I would vastly prefer you pursue this task free of any biases I might introduce. Afterword I may share.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

c4 and Wilgy

From Wilgy

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Speaking of which.

I wanna stop talking about the hammer thing

no

Simply this:
if MR flips RED, I don't think these are wolves
c4e5g3d5, Alison, MacDougall, NotAnAxehole

I think there's a likely chance MR is red because of them not being hammered for what, a 10-12 hour period of floating 4?

I don't really care about Wilgy's hammer read, villagers have wack reads

I do care that Wilgy has 0 reads that don't involve the word "hammer"

That's just incorrect. I TR Hally, NAA and Marmot.

NAA I even vocalized.

jay, why is radishes the towniest town to ever town?

I bet I can answer this and if Jay explains what's in my head I'll return the lock town read on him.

Radish hypes up the whole did he think what I thought he thought thing, making it sound like there's a high bar for Jay to clear here

jay, why is radishes the towniest town to ever town?

his reception of Nanook doing the "Jay and Mac are outed" thing and conversion of that into "Nanook and Mac are outed" looked very real to me, even if he didn't intend for it to be taken as incredibly serious. The brain that happened in MR's brain to facilitate that read is something I don't figure mafia are braining on Page 1

All Jay has to offer is describing what Radish did and saying "this feels like town"

Yep Jay town.

And that's enough for Radish apparently

Bit of a letdown

and you’re also town

Hally explain this one to me plz.

Gut is saying Dizzy's Wilgy read is towny

Same, and while I dislike the reason why (as I now know of a weak spot in my scum game), I agree that it is valid.

Read the past few pages.

I think my PoE at this moment is Mac, Radishes, Alison.

Tinfoil C4. I can't express why.

the thing is i can’t tell if he’s gimmicking here? his tone is weird but not in an obviously gimmicky way

I don't have the capacity for gimmicks rn. Getting married in a week.

My tone is probably off because I didn't read the first 10 pages and I'm struggling to really read anyone as scum. With the exception of c4, and I don't even get that one.

I haven't played with c4 before.

And idk. They seem like they are quite alright with many a wagon. They were on MR, Nook and Alison. They are cool with anyone going over and persistently keeps people at 4. I think they are the only one who's been on all 3 potential yeets.

I haven't played with c4 before.

And idk. They seem like they are quite alright with many a wagon. They were on MR, Nook and Alison. They are cool with anyone going over and persistently keeps people at 4. I think they are the only one who's been on all 3 potential yeets.

c4 never voted alison

he actually was the only one defending her for most pf the day

Holy shit.

My b. I feel like I jumped timelines as I swore I saw c4's name there.

From c4

Spoiler: show

I don't really care about Wilgy's hammer read, villagers have wack reads

I do care that Wilgy has 0 reads that don't involve the word "hammer"

I don't really care about Wilgy's hammer read, villagers have wack reads

I do care that Wilgy has 0 reads that don't involve the word "hammer"

That's just incorrect. I TR Hally, NAA and Marmot.

NAA I even vocalized.

Oh my god.

I don't really care about Wilgy's hammer read, villagers have wack reads

I do care that Wilgy has 0 reads that don't involve the word "hammer"

That's just incorrect. I TR Hally, NAA and Marmot.

NAA I even vocalized.

Oh my god.

Okay, so it turns out that this does in fact imply Wilgy hasn't said anything about his Hally and Marmot reads
And in this case "vocalized" means he said "I think Axe is town because he townread me"

This is pretty dumb

Thinking about Hammering Alison.

You can wait on your decision until tomorrow because if she's town wolves will hammer her by then anyway

I haven't played with c4 before.

And idk. They seem like they are quite alright with many a wagon. They were on MR, Nook and Alison. They are cool with anyone going over and persistently keeps people at 4. I think they are the only one who's been on all 3 potential yeets.

That's worth talking about, @c4e5g3d5. I think I like the observation for Wilgy anyway if it's accurate. I don't remember the wagons clearly.

I didn't vote Alison but I eventually gave vocal support so close enough

I don't think any of the three pushes besides Nook support Wilgy's point in context tho lol, and certainly not in terms of like, holding the rest of the list to the same standards

Alison Nook Mac Axe Wilgy

It doesn't seem as pressing to say this anymore, but Wilgy gets a break IMO.

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

How do the Day 1 and Night 1 kills impact your broader view of the game?

I don't usually do much with legacy but this looks like the kind of list where I should do something with legacy
Axe and Wilgy looking like distractions was the big takeaway

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

who are the wolves?

Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

who are the wolves?

Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

what are those reasons?

Axe has a towny self-absorption
Dizzy is being significantly more effective and less agenda'd than GoC
Radish's takes have felt like they came without obligation
Wilgy made catches I didn't expect him to when I didn't expect him to

@c4e5g3d5 who are your suspects other than Nanook?

My Achilles heel

I have non-PoE reasons to think Mac and Wilgy are wolves
I do not think Mac and Wilgy are Wolves
That's about all I can give you rn

Conclusion

I don't think they're both mafia. The interaction strikes me as uncoordinated. I highlighted the parts that sell me on that. I particularly doubt that mafia Wilgy decides to adopt only one suspect, his only teammate, and portray that suspicion as a giant shrug.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

c4 and Dizzy

From c4 (not in perfect order because of the Dizzys and Dyslexicons)

Spoiler: show

Game felt so much scummier when Mac arrived, and not just Mac lol. Wtf is that all about

It's because I started lurking

I would love to hear everyone's town reads. It would be peachy keen. The more the better.

Hally u maybe Alison maybe Dizzy

I don't get the Marmot reads but it's probably my fault for not actually absorbing any of his posts

I want to say Dizzy has a higher mileage this game than GoC thoughts-wise, and posts look less prepared in general
No idea if that's a good way to read Dizzy

Gut is saying Dizzy's Wilgy read is towny

think dizzy is probably not a wolf unless it’s with exactly wilgy, but i also don’t think he would really read wilgy like that as w/w, so he’s probably just v

I was thinking something along these lines too, but the first half seems unreliable
I simplified it into "a bunch of kinds of unnecessary for w!Dizzy to make a read like this"

Name 6 townies not including yourself. Get it right and you win the game. Anyone fancy a try?

Hally
Marmot
Probably you
Imma roll with Dizzy
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck it Axe

I'm out of ideas

Don't you hate it when everyone has one more townread than you because that one townread is you

I don't know what to make of Dizzy's suspicion of me so I'm going to ignore it.

Dizzy is POE'd for other reasons (mainly doing nothing townie), but he is not a prime suspect.

I've done only towny things you don't even know what a citizen pays in taxes

Perhaps you have done townie things in the section I didn't read. Feel free to quote them to spark discussion in advance.

I'm happy to accept Dizzy as a town read purely by consensus. He's close enough. Perhaps I swap him with Mac in the uncertain pile. I end up with something like:

c4, Dizzy, Hally, Marmot
-
MR, Mac
-
Alison, Nanook, NAA, Wilgy

Wilgy's in a strange spot right now. I think he is the most actively suspicious player in the thread, save perhaps Alison. Both Dizzy and Nanook have provided strong vouches though so I will think about it. The Nanook-Wilgy dynamic is especially important.

I don't think Dizzy should be a consensus town read. This man has done nothing.

Oh my god.

c4 do you have an updated alison read?

I've caved so have fun

Original tr prob wasn't that good given Jay's input that Alison could want to do those things... as a wolf
Reentrance had too many are you serious posts to shield
Dizzy made good points

Welp I'm ready to go. I'll let anyone protest if they want before I return Alison to L-1.

I'm paused for the day but I got the impression that people like Dizzy weren't

Town reads
c4e5g3d5
Hally
MacDougall
Marmot

There's some dissonance here, but gun to head town
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes

Not town reads
Alison
DrWilgy
Nanook
NAA

At 9 vs. 2, an ordinary set of roles would call for a POE pool of 5 players (2 mafia + 3 mischops). The arrangement of this game's matrix provides the likelihood (certainty?) of a mischop being lost to an extra mafia kill or beloved princess, so reduce the POE to 4. We'd then need 6 town reads to square the game away, which for the moment does seem like a genuine challenge. I have a theoretical POE built above, but I would like to be more confident about it than I am.

Wilgy is town.

What's the dissonance with me?

Entirely for that one post? Big meh.

Entirely for that one post? Big meh.

It is that, and I just feel it.

I have more success reading town from micro tells (one off posts)
But not a lot of success reading scum from micro tells (cause town says weird and scummy shit or stuff that is insincere all the time)

Town read micro and scum read macro or something.
This is a rant that's not really relevant, but just something I thought about today.

Anyway, I still think Wilgy is town so sue me.

This is a big part of my MO too so I get that much, but this specific kind of read is one I've turned my confidence in way, way down over time because of how frequently it's been wrong

Entirely for that one post? Big meh.

It is that, and I just feel it.

I have more success reading town from micro tells (one off posts)
But not a lot of success reading scum from micro tells (cause town says weird and scummy shit or stuff that is insincere all the time)

Town read micro and scum read macro or something.
This is a rant that's not really relevant, but just something I thought about today.

Anyway, I still think Wilgy is town so sue me.

This is a big part of my MO too so I get that much, but this specific kind of read is one I've turned my confidence in way, way down over time because of how frequently it's been wrong

Of course, we could all be wrong. What if wolves are you and Marmot oh wow.

Fire wc

Jimmay - I actually just need someone to convince me one way or another, cause it's a mixed bag

Target acquired once I get on PC

Town reads
c4e5g3d5
Hally
MacDougall
Marmot

There's some dissonance here, but gun to head town
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes

Not town reads
Alison
DrWilgy
Nanook
NAA

At 9 vs. 2, an ordinary set of roles would call for a POE pool of 5 players (2 mafia + 3 mischops). The arrangement of this game's matrix provides the likelihood (certainty?) of a mischop being lost to an extra mafia kill or beloved princess, so reduce the POE to 4. We'd then need 6 town reads to square the game away, which for the moment does seem like a genuine challenge. I have a theoretical POE built above, but I would like to be more confident about it than I am.

I vaguely understand Dizzy's read on Wilgy. I am not sure I agree with it, but I get it.

I don't understand Mac's read on NAA.

@c4e5g3d5 you asked about my Mac read. I'm afraid it's not going to be one that is likely to move your needle a ton, but anyway:

In recent memory, when Mac has been mafia I have been able to tell pretty quickly. There's a certain degree of obviousness about how BS his chaos has been, and it becomes difficult to suspend disbelief for his sake. I don't get that impression generally in this game. I think his reads have mostly made sense and that they have aligned well with my own. When he and I are seeing a similar state of affairs I think that's usually a good sign. The only read of his that I do not follow is his town read on NAA.

I could move Mac down a level to the "dissonance" pile. At the least answering c4's prompt made it clearer to me that I cannot concretely justify a town read. I can vaguely justify it.

@Dyslexicon I'm a sucker for this kind of thing
It's the kind of read where you can see where he's leaning and when throughout even though he doesn't say it explicitly at any point
Then little things like that second post being presented as off topic and not for a specific purpose and how he shows off the original townread more than the retraction even while applying pressure come off has lacking agenda
Just a bunch ofextra hoops for w!Jay to jump through that make me think he's genuinely reading Mac

Not my only reason but it's the one I can recall right now and the one I had the most fun finding

Why do we actually town read Hally again? I've already forgotten.

Does Jimmay always write posts that seems so academic they basically end up lacking meaning (to me?) Have I just forgotten. I feel like every statement and every read is just "quantitively this and qualitatively that but inverse it and flip it at its head over time and you'll get the sum of my concern for the nuances of.." Ok, this is totally a parody and done with a lot of love, I hope you believe me Jimmay. And it may very, very well be more on my side. I just find it hard to process what your actual point is a lot of the time.

The thing that made me just stop thinking about Hally was this

I get why you'd be annoyed if NAA is V treating you like this, but what did I do?

i probably shouldn’t lump you in with him

was annoyed at you earlier because it felt like you weren’t even trying to find me and were trying to pigeonhole me into your logic with the dizzy thing and then seriously asking me why i wouldn’t be ok blindly sheeping you when i don’t v read you and you wolf read me

just frankly asinine things that i have a hard time seeing you come at me with as a villager

but you’ve dropped it now so hopefully that’s the end of that

All of those things are reaction tests.

your entire push on me was a reaction test?

This seems kinda Alison 101 lmao

Also I think the main reason for my Alison tr is presentation, still having trouble describing it but there's an efficiency to it, she gets to the point quickly and bluntly in a way that looks designed to hit harder when you read it
Just makes me actually believe she's trying to stir the thread, and I also think it describes what I've seen of v!Alison better than what I've seen of w!Alison

And generally she seems to not have any kind of schedule for who she pressures and when but these reads are always wrong from me so take that one with a grain of salt

the thing is i don’t really buy that it was all a reaction test - that feels like a retcon because i wolf read her push on me and she probably wasn’t expecting that because i tend not to OMGUS

also re: the rest, the reason i think she’s wolfy is because i think v!alison is generally more measured and reasonable (albeit still forceful) whereas here i feel like she’s been going 1000mph trying to engineer something to push on that will stick, and that just feels like how i expect a wolf of her archetype to play in a strong player list where she knows if she’s not aggressive pushing her agenda she’s going to get boxed out of the thread very quickly

If w!Hally came up with the perspective of "I'm responding more aggressively than is typical of me, wolves would be unprepared and more willing to initially bs a push on me based on my normal meta, and Alison's treatment of me reflects that, followed by her realizing that this isn't my typical town game this time and going into damage control" as a wolf, then holy fucking shit lol

How long until day end again?

2h

Dizzy, either all the way or a little less maybe?

Yeah I am asking what the reads were that you went into reading it all with that didn't change C4. ie. who are you townreading and scumreading before, and now?

My townreads on Hally and Jay didn't change, my weaker townread on Dizzy didn't change, my "when is this dude gonna start" read on you didn't change because your push just now was clearly either fake or a wolf

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

who are the wolves?

Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

who are the wolves?

Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

what are those reasons?

Axe has a towny self-absorption
Dizzy is being significantly more effective and less agenda'd than GoC
Radish's takes have felt like they came without obligation
Wilgy made catches I didn't expect him to when I didn't expect him to

c4, can you talk more about your progression on alison? i get how you went from “i think alison v” to “not shielding her anymore” but i don’t get how you went from that to voting her

I had a part about this somewhere up there

Dizzy's case made sense, Alison's mid-D2 return was bad, final straw was her saying "Dizzy has done nothing" and "I haven't read the thread" like three minutes apart

And it turns out I still think Dizzy's town

If I get a good night's sleep before I die his game you might get an explanation but I mean just search "Alison" in his ISO lol

Would prooobably be harmless but better safe than sorry

It'll be later later

People think you 1610'd, so you might want to deal with that.

Oh. Okay.

Read Dizzy's second and third posts of the day. I thought it was too obvious and wanted him to be explicit about it in either direction.

From Dizzy

Spoiler: show

I change my mind. Hally could be town.

With Jimmay, c4 and probably possibly Radish.

Mac is probably town tbh
Add Hally, c4, Marmot and Radish. YES RADISH

Towncoreville wow

I'm treating Nanook and Alison as claim and counterclaim.

This is also a little wack

Yeah, can't tell if wack or just Jimmay being SO SERIOUS MAFIA PLAYER

Town:
Marmot
c4
Wilgy
Hally
MR

Everyone else should get townier if they are town.

Entirely for that one post? Big meh.

It is that, and I just feel it.

I have more success reading town from micro tells (one off posts)
But not a lot of success reading scum from micro tells (cause town says weird and scummy shit or stuff that is insincere all the time)

Town read micro and scum read macro or something.
This is a rant that's not really relevant, but just something I thought about today.

Anyway, I still think Wilgy is town so sue me.

This is a big part of my MO too so I get that much, but this specific kind of read is one I've turned my confidence in way, way down over time because of how frequently it's been wrong

Of course, we could all be wrong. What if wolves are you and Marmot oh wow.

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

You might be bad for doing things that won't lead anywhere. Cause your shit doesn't lead anywhere when you are mafia. I believe it's the number one difference between your wolf and town game.

c4 is pretty consensus town read.

Your particular brand of pouting isn't inspiring either.

Just my opinion man

@Alison Of you town read Wilgy, I expect you to describe meaning to me trying to town clear them when Hally and Jimmay were voting Wilgy. Other people were able to. Unless you’re just not paying attention. My biggest issue, again, is your solve doesn’t have substance or the substance is weak/bad like in the case of MR

I should add that my reads aren't really that different to yours tbh.

c4/Marmot - shocked if mafia.
Hally - not shocked if mafia at all actually, but I still town read.
Wilgy - town just get with it
Jimmay - I actually just need someone to convince me one way or another, cause it's a mixed bag
Nanook - Shrug
NAA - Shrug
Mac - Playing some sour notes
Alison - Why is your reasoning for your reads on me and MR in particular so extremely bad
MR - Actually should do a lot more things

no burn intended I am just trying to make you recognise the hypocrisy of claiming my play "leads nowhere" when your current play is to yolo a vote onto a town Mac

You're a possible chop. C4 is not. So it leads somewhere. Potentially. Your alignment is irrelevant.

If you want to understand my perspective. But if you want to moan, feel free.

Town reads
c4e5g3d5
Hally
MacDougall
Marmot

There's some dissonance here, but gun to head town
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes

Not town reads
Alison
DrWilgy
Nanook
NAA

At 9 vs. 2, an ordinary set of roles would call for a POE pool of 5 players (2 mafia + 3 mischops). The arrangement of this game's matrix provides the likelihood (certainty?) of a mischop being lost to an extra mafia kill or beloved princess, so reduce the POE to 4. We'd then need 6 town reads to square the game away, which for the moment does seem like a genuine challenge. I have a theoretical POE built above, but I would like to be more confident about it than I am.

I vaguely understand Dizzy's read on Wilgy. I am not sure I agree with it, but I get it.

I don't understand Mac's read on NAA.

@c4e5g3d5 you asked about my Mac read. I'm afraid it's not going to be one that is likely to move your needle a ton, but anyway:

In recent memory, when Mac has been mafia I have been able to tell pretty quickly. There's a certain degree of obviousness about how BS his chaos has been, and it becomes difficult to suspend disbelief for his sake. I don't get that impression generally in this game. I think his reads have mostly made sense and that they have aligned well with my own. When he and I are seeing a similar state of affairs I think that's usually a good sign. The only read of his that I do not follow is his town read on NAA.

I could move Mac down a level to the "dissonance" pile. At the least answering c4's prompt made it clearer to me that I cannot concretely justify a town read. I can vaguely justify it.

@Dyslexicon I'm a sucker for this kind of thing
It's the kind of read where you can see where he's leaning and when throughout even though he doesn't say it explicitly at any point
Then little things like that second post being presented as off topic and not for a specific purpose and how he shows off the original townread more than the retraction even while applying pressure come off has lacking agenda
Just a bunch ofextra hoops for w!Jay to jump through that make me think he's genuinely reading Mac

Not my only reason but it's the one I can recall right now and the one I had the most fun finding

Ok. I think it's a bit like you being confused as to how I town read Wilgy, but at the same time, I'm not that confused. Jimmay can likely be town, and I have no problem seeing that. He hasn't been bad, I also think a large part of it is me not being able to process his posts well, and then wondering if that is his fault (trying to be vague and obfuscate) or me not just having the mental fortitude to process his view.

I'm find trusting your judgement for now ig

Dizzy, either all the way or a little less maybe?

What do you need?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?

if there’s anything i can do to make the game more fun for you lmk

Flip a mafia =p

It's complicated.
It's bad timing now, cause I've been out all day and about to go to sleep.

I'm sure you have some world view post or something like that, cause that may help.
Or just make it easier again.

I'm going easy route you/c4/jay town, I guess.
I could be there on Mac if you all agree-ish.
Not sure. His sorry for existing attitude was maybe towny for him. If real lol. But sure.

So.

Oh. Okay.

Read Dizzy's second and third posts of the day. I thought it was too obvious and wanted him to be explicit about it in either direction.

No.

Conclusion

I don't think these two are both mafia. The most important factor is that c4's Not 1610 post tends to necessitate this dissociation. I don't care to expand on that. Otherwise you can see a few highlighted posts of c4's in which he is trying earnestly to explain reads to Dizzy in manners that suggest to me there is no prior connection -- the connection is being forged in the game thread by way of discussing these reads of c4's that Dizzy doesn't understand.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

c4 and Mac

From c4

Spoiler: show

I might just keep playing without knowing my alignment. Thoughts?

Sounds good to me since I know it anyway

Game felt so much scummier when Mac arrived, and not just Mac lol. Wtf is that all about

It's because I started lurking

Town reads
c4e5g3d5
Hally
MacDougall
Marmot

There's some dissonance here, but gun to head town
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes

Not town reads
Alison
DrWilgy
Nanook
NAA

At 9 vs. 2, an ordinary set of roles would call for a POE pool of 5 players (2 mafia + 3 mischops). The arrangement of this game's matrix provides the likelihood (certainty?) of a mischop being lost to an extra mafia kill or beloved princess, so reduce the POE to 4. We'd then need 6 town reads to square the game away, which for the moment does seem like a genuine challenge. I have a theoretical POE built above, but I would like to be more confident about it than I am.

More on Mac? I haven't seen you say anything to imply a strong Mac read, is it just that you thought on your resons for a weak read and decided they were strong?

Generally agree with the rest

Alison Nook Mac Axe Wilgy

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Start somewhere like this

I might just keep playing without knowing my alignment. Thoughts?

Sounds good to me since I know it anyway

I would hope not given I'm a VT.

What, so it would be okay if you were a PR?

For me, kill order is MR, Dizzy, Nanook.

If scum is outside of that... Well, mistakes were made.

This looks like something I've seen before, but without Mac.

Wya on Mac

I had suggested before that Mac and MR are an awkward fit together. I would appreciate second opinions on that, because I could easily be wrong about it and it seems like an important interaction to sort.

Is it still for the Mac/Nook thing early on?

Why do you think that's not w/w? I don't exactly have a counterargument, but it's because I still don't get the argument itself.

The argument was kinda dumb and also somehow doesn't change any of my reads so gj guys

What was dumb about it and what reads did you have that aren't changed?

What was dumb is that you flooded the thread with blatant falsehoods and pushed people for not debunking them with a fine-tooth comb, and it's NAI for you.

The reads that didn't change were... I mean, all of them? Don't see how I was implying anything else. Only alignment takeaway I had was that Jay's reflexive catch on Radish's comment was towny, which changed my Jay read from v to v.

The argument was kinda dumb and also somehow doesn't change any of my reads so gj guys

What was dumb about it and what reads did you have that aren't changed?

What was dumb is that you flooded the thread with blatant falsehoods and pushed people for not debunking them with a fine-tooth comb, and it's NAI for you.

The reads that didn't change were... I mean, all of them? Don't see how I was implying anything else. Only alignment takeaway I had was that Jay's reflexive catch on Radish's comment was towny, which changed my Jay read from v to v.

Such as?

The obvious one is "Jay didn't do preflip interactions"
Then "Jay's Hally read changing means the reason his Hally read changed has to have been the most recent thing he said about Hally"

What is my reaction and why is it bad? Is this you trying to make me look bad after a red flip or something?

This got bizarre so fast. I bet it’s pretty hilarious in specchat in some way or another.

No you are sidelining hot takes that feel like cheerleading Jay in a really scummy way and even Jay noticed it.

Your yammering makes zero sense to me. Sorryboutit.

You’re accusing Hally and clearing Hally on breathing in and out.

Or I just don’t get it.

And I believe that if there’s scum between j/hally, it’s likelier to be hally.

You also exaggerate what is happening for some reason. MR and Nanook have had no issues following my train of thought at all. Also you are acting like me changing up me reads and behaving in a weathervaney way is unexpected.

Have either of these two even interacted with your posting today dafuq

Yeah I am asking what the reads were that you went into reading it all with that didn't change C4. ie. who are you townreading and scumreading before, and now?

My townreads on Hally and Jay didn't change, my weaker townread on Dizzy didn't change, my "when is this dude gonna start" read on you didn't change because your push just now was clearly either fake or a wolf

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

who are the wolves?

Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

I've given more solving and content than you and most others.

Buzzer

Hally tell me about Mac
Normally there's light at the end of a Mac tunnel and I'm still waiting for that so what do you like about him so far

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

who are the wolves?

Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

what are those reasons?

Axe has a towny self-absorption
Dizzy is being significantly more effective and less agenda'd than GoC
Radish's takes have felt like they came without obligation
Wilgy made catches I didn't expect him to when I didn't expect him to

Like c4 there is literally no argument you can make that is "c4 has produced more content and solved harder than mac". It's just completely obviously not the case.

Oh my god.

Like c4 there is literally no argument you can make that is "c4 has produced more content and solved harder than mac". It's just completely obviously not the case.

Oh my god.

It's literally available to you to read. You've been a ghost I've forgotten has been in the game for the majority of it and reading your ISO I can see why because you're said nothing controversial all game and have just had hedgy under the radar takes.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Oh my god.

Hally tell me about Mac
Normally there's light at the end of a Mac tunnel and I'm still waiting for that so what do you like about him so far

idk, once i untilted myself and tried to think things through i just felt he was town

like, the way he entered today with “wolves are running the game we’re all getting duped” just feels like that town!mac fire

go back and look at how he entered D2 in GoC as a wolf

i locked him as a wolf from spec because D1 town got kinda stomped but D2 he entered and had like no fire whatsoever and was posting lazy

when mac is a villager and thinks town is getting wrecked this is more like how he gets ime

I'm seeing it

@c4e5g3d5 who are your suspects other than Nanook?

My Achilles heel

I have non-PoE reasons to think Mac and Wilgy are wolves
I do not think Mac and Wilgy are Wolves
That's about all I can give you rn

c4, you don’t think mac’s D2 is villagery?

I do now

From Mac

Spoiler: show

I might just keep playing without knowing my alignment. Thoughts?

Sounds good to me since I know it anyway

I would hope not given I'm a VT.

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

I would love to hear everyone's town reads. It would be peachy keen. The more the better.

you dizzy Marmot

axe c4

nanook hally Alison

wilgy

Who are the wolves Mac?

Radishes and Wilgy most likely. C4 can be mafia.

I am now voting c4 for science

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

The argument was kinda dumb and also somehow doesn't change any of my reads so gj guys

What was dumb about it and what reads did you have that aren't changed?

The argument was kinda dumb and also somehow doesn't change any of my reads so gj guys

What was dumb about it and what reads did you have that aren't changed?

What was dumb is that you flooded the thread with blatant falsehoods and pushed people for not debunking them with a fine-tooth comb, and it's NAI for you.

The reads that didn't change were... I mean, all of them? Don't see how I was implying anything else. Only alignment takeaway I had was that Jay's reflexive catch on Radish's comment was towny, which changed my Jay read from v to v.

Such as?

Yeah I am asking what the reads were that you went into reading it all with that didn't change C4. ie. who are you townreading and scumreading before, and now?

Yeah I am asking what the reads were that you went into reading it all with that didn't change C4. ie. who are you townreading and scumreading before, and now?

My townreads on Hally and Jay didn't change, my weaker townread on Dizzy didn't change, my "when is this dude gonna start" read on you didn't change because your push just now was clearly either fake or a wolf

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

who are the wolves?

Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

what are those reasons?

I've given more solving and content than you and most others.

Buzzer

I absolutely empirically and demonstrably have.

Like c4 there is literally no argument you can make that is "c4 has produced more content and solved harder than mac". It's just completely obviously not the case.

Like c4 there is literally no argument you can make that is "c4 has produced more content and solved harder than mac". It's just completely obviously not the case.

Oh my god.

It's literally available to you to read. You've been a ghost I've forgotten has been in the game for the majority of it and reading your ISO I can see why because you're said nothing controversial all game and have just had hedgy under the radar takes.

Does C4/Dyslexicon make sense as a team?

@Master Radishes c4/dizzy?

what about nook?

Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?

i don’t think he’s being obtuse about anything

seems like he just doesn’t care

I don't care about a large chunk of this thread, correct

what part of the thread do you care about?

At least half the posts from the higher posters, every time there's a piss fight, when it turns into a measuring contest of who's "contributed" the most, etc. etc.

sorry for contributing to this but like c4 telling me to "step it up" was lame... nobody needs me to flood the thread with garbage just to make myself look townier

or maybe it’s just wilgy/nook

Wilgy hit the thread way late and got to work pushing MR for awful reasons and then later on dropped that read in favour of pushing C4 for awful reasons. Meanwhile he spent most of the time voting me without talking about me.

I'd say his teammate is likely MR. People just give Wilgy twtbw townreads a lot.

If I ignore all notions of building a total game theory and just give flat reads of players in isolation, it'd look something like this:

c4e5g3d5
Hally

NotAnAxehole
MacDougall


Dyslexicon
DrWilgy

Nanook
Master Radishes

why is c4 your top town?

As for c4, I am not really bothered by his SOD2, but I don't oppose him facing the music a bit so to speak. He'll have to earn his keep.

so your top town is something you're not that sure of?

I think c4 is town. He has been paying extremely close attention to the subtleties of posts and posting trends and is noticing things that I don't think mafia realize they could be looking for.

such as

Conclusion

This one is a little more lukewarm than I anticipated. There is animosity, particularly from Mac at c4, but it's also not especially energized. I would tend to doubt they're teamed on the basis of just the one moment I highlighted, but with subdued confidence. I just decided to use numerous colors for my chart. Light green.

[MacDougall]

suck my bum bum jay

[MacDougall]

I am literally drowning in irony

we are hard difference checked so we can openly troll people together and never get suspected as partners so let's do that

[MacDougall]

I'd like to point out that if I was mafia in a team of 2 in a game like this there is no fucking way that your level 1 disassociation reads are ever going to catch me partnered with anyone and if anything me and my partner would 100% be the least aligned player you'd come up with.

So you should consider who that holds true for and doesn't and flip accordingly your script.

[MacDougall]

gotta say though, that if u think c4 and i can be mafia after collecting those quotes you collected there you're probably doing a better job being careful than i give u credit for lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Regardless your point is well-received. Things are different with teams of two, and that's why I haven't already done all this. But I'm getting a bit stumped and have to open up the toolbox.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Because of time constraints and also my strong town read, I am not going to do Hally interactions. If anyone thinks that's ill-advised, you should absolutely say so. Otherwise a mafia Hally is one we all share blame for.

[MacDougall]

99% sure she's town so i don't mind

[JaggedJimmyJay]

c4 and MR

From c4 I would like to personally thank c4 for never saying "MR" and making the search much easier.

Spoiler: show

I should've thought of a witty opening post.

You only have to think of one in your career and paste it into every game

I should've thought of a witty opening post.

You only have to think of one in your career and paste it into every game

I should've thought of a witty retort to this.

You only have to think of one in your career and paste it into every game

radishes and jay aren’t w/w at least

I almost drpooed a not w/w/w read on this post

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

jay, why is radishes the towniest town to ever town?

I bet I can answer this and if Jay explains what's in my head I'll return the lock town read on him.

Radish hypes up the whole did he think what I thought he thought thing, making it sound like there's a high bar for Jay to clear here

jay, why is radishes the towniest town to ever town?

his reception of Nanook doing the "Jay and Mac are outed" thing and conversion of that into "Nanook and Mac are outed" looked very real to me, even if he didn't intend for it to be taken as incredibly serious. The brain that happened in MR's brain to facilitate that read is something I don't figure mafia are braining on Page 1

All Jay has to offer is describing what Radish did and saying "this feels like town"

Yep Jay town.

And that's enough for Radish apparently

Bit of a letdown

jay, why is radishes the towniest town to ever town?

I bet I can answer this and if Jay explains what's in my head I'll return the lock town read on him.

Radish hypes up the whole did he think what I thought he thought thing, making it sound like there's a high bar for Jay to clear here

jay, why is radishes the towniest town to ever town?

his reception of Nanook doing the "Jay and Mac are outed" thing and conversion of that into "Nanook and Mac are outed" looked very real to me, even if he didn't intend for it to be taken as incredibly serious. The brain that happened in MR's brain to facilitate that read is something I don't figure mafia are braining on Page 1

All Jay has to offer is describing what Radish did and saying "this feels like town"

Yep Jay town.

And that's enough for Radish apparently

Bit of a letdown

and you’re also town

But what about Radish's alignment

Can you just... say you don't think the points are good if you don't think the points are good

slow down there tiger, we have a lot of game to play

when i decide what i think of radishy you’ll be the first to know

What I'm getting annoyed at is that you raise "It's page 3" to imply there isn't enough to work off of
While in the meantime I'm gesturing toward *thing to work off of* in what I think is a pretty accessible way

I'm not asking for your holistic read on Radish, I get that it's fair for that to not exist yet, but what about this specific thing I wrote in order to talk about

Can you just... say you don't think the points are good if you don't think the points are good

slow down there tiger, we have a lot of game to play

when i decide what i think of radishy you’ll be the first to know

What I'm getting annoyed at is that you raise "It's page 3" to imply there isn't enough to work off of
While in the meantime I'm gesturing toward *thing to work off of* in what I think is a pretty accessible way

I'm not asking for your holistic read on Radish, I get that it's fair for that to not exist yet, but what about this specific thing I wrote in order to talk about

i think your perception that there was nothing there in jay’s read that could resonate with radishes is a bit uncharitable

also hope you don’t mind but one thing i’ve noticed about your town game is you tend to come in a bit hard when i think especially this early it would have been better to question radishes about what he saw instead of assuming there was nothing

Don't mind, I've noticed it too and probably would've said something more aggressively worded than "Bit of a letdown" otherwise

But I'm confused what else Radish could've seen in Jay's read at all, let alone resonate with, because it was truly just "thing feels town"
If there's some reason that resonated with Radish I'm open to hearing it, but I'll probably still be skeptical considering his first post about it

@JaggedJimmyJay are you now able to talk about the Radish things you couldn't talk about before

Randomly clicked, saw Alison wagon, loled

Y’all wild

Has she ever been D1'd before as either alignment? Let's make history.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5453820

jay, why is radishes the towniest town to ever town?

I bet I can answer this and if Jay explains what's in my head I'll return the lock town read on him.

@Master Radishes hopefully if I ask this way it's slightly less tail-chasing

What would Jay have had to say for you to not townread him?

my vote is also on alison in spirit

I guess she's been spirit hammered then

What, you're telling me there are people in this list who aren't willing to hammer?

i’m a bit worried this is CoV 2.0 where alison came under fire D1 and correctly caught radishes wolfing while i suspected her and defended radishes like a dingus lol

But I'm totally not w/w with Radish and TMI shielding Alison this time through

Radish got better before I forget to say it

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

who are the wolves?

Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

who are the wolves?

Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

what are those reasons?

Axe has a towny self-absorption
Dizzy is being significantly more effective and less agenda'd than GoC
Radish's takes have felt like they came without obligation
Wilgy made catches I didn't expect him to when I didn't expect him to

I still think Nook is wolfier than Radish

And every other Radish point looks like accusing him of being Radish

Shrug



Disclaimer haven't fully absorbed the Radish stuff yet

I can help with the project, but like, chances are the most you get out of me is I point out two or three things from the sidelines that I think are interesting
Like my normal play ig

I need 2-way interactions for every living pair. Is there any one player on this list that you think you read particularly well?

I feel like I can read Hally pretty well but that's just in terms of their own alignment

I did wolf with Radish that one time and got to see specifically how he treated partners so maybe I'd be good at that

From MR

Spoiler: show

I should've thought of a witty opening post.

You only have to think of one in your career and paste it into every game

I should've thought of a witty retort to this.

I should've thought of a witty opening post.

You only have to think of one in your career and paste it into every game

I should've thought of a witty retort to this.

You only have to think of one in your career and paste it into every game

I should've thought of a witty retort to this.

I don't know how tf that typo happened but it's canon now

Dr Pooed is surely just a nickname for Mac.

I don't want to spend the mental energy responding to C4's ping about me at 6am.

In a nutshell Jay made a lightly serious read on pg 1, I felt I immediately understood why, then he said exactly why, so I said 'yep' and turned off my phone and went to sleep.

alison, convince me that radishes is a dastardly villain please

it can’t just be that post dizzy quoted, right?

His entrance was bad. c4 made a case against him if you care about that. I don't, but maybe it sways you. Then he came back into the thread and sort of acknowledged the suspicion on him but skated by. (He was top wagon when he returned to the thread. But he did not do anything townie. Now he is not top wagon. This makes me wonder why.) His wagon position relative to mine makes me suspect him more.

Way to slip C4's thing in there without personally relying on it for your own case.

These are nothing more than feelings, but I'd be fine with calling Hally and Marmot town, and probably Jay, Dizzy, and C4 too. I respect all their ranges but the first two have had moments where I sensed genuinity and the latter three it's more of an overall vibe.

I dont have anything specifically bad to say about most of the others, just that I've seen nothing I consider good enough to raise up beyond neutrality.

Actually if there's one name I'm maybe a bit off the consensus with its C4? Like I have a good enough feeling there but I feel I've seen multiple people call him along the lines of a super strong town read and I wouldn't add either adjective or any like it to such a claim.

That's an invitation for someone to say 'ah you see MR, C4 is lock town because...'

Reminds me,

jay, why is radishes the towniest town to ever town?

I bet I can answer this and if Jay explains what's in my head I'll return the lock town read on him.

@Master Radishes hopefully if I ask this way it's slightly less tail-chasing

What would Jay have had to say for you to not townread him?

Nothing in particular. Without going back to quote specifics, basically Jay had made the first serious ish take in the early shitposting phase and it was about me so I stopped to consider why. I thought I knew what it was. He said what I thought it was. That meant I understood his mindset which is generally a good sign.

If he had something else I would've just kept him null and moved on. He said what I expected so I gave him a mental town point and moved on.

Any phrasing such as 'lock' etc we may have used was exaggerated. I'm pretty sure he assigned me a town point and then I did the same to him, and that was all.

Radish got better before I forget to say it

Screw you I can be mafia still.

What if the crowd of Jay, Hally, Dizzy, C4, Marmot, and I all rank Alison, NAA, Mac in preferred order and then find the average score to decide who dies.

(In this plan Wilgy and NAA are NPCs.)

Conclusion

This one is similar to the Mac/c4 interaction, but swap the day phases and make c4 the primary aggressor. It starts off the right way to make them seem separated, but kind of dwindles into a dead fish. Light greem, probably not teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

lmao

c4's best teammate fit by far is...

Spoiler: show

Nanook

completely serious

[Hally]

I'd like to point out that if I was mafia in a team of 2 in a game like this there is no fucking way that your level 1 disassociation reads are ever going to catch me partnered with anyone and if anything me and my partner would 100% be the least aligned player you'd come up with.

So you should consider who that holds true for and doesn't and flip accordingly your script.

i agree with this, not only specifically wrt you but in general too

in a two wolf game mafia’s win condition is literally just to seem hard unaligned from each other any way they can. that’s really all they have to do. they don’t even have to be villagery necessarily so long as when one of them flips it clears the other. and in a two wolf game it’s a lot easier to frame your interactions in a way that seems unaligned imo because you don’t have to worry about interactions with like three other teammates, you only have one person to worry about. not sure most wolves would necessarily get that crazy with it but i wouldn’t be surprised at all if they’ve already done a fair amount of distancing/bussing for example and would be careful disassociating anyone off that.

just my two cents

[JaggedJimmyJay]

c4 and Nanook

From c4

Spoiler: show

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

I'm treating Nanook and Alison as claim and counterclaim.

This is also a little wack

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Imagine having four votes on you after you've town told your ass off, smh

I call this "Wednesday"

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Start somewhere like this

I still think Nook is wolfier than Radish

And every other Radish point looks like accusing him of being Radish

Shrug



Disclaimer haven't fully absorbed the Radish stuff yet

I'm not giving Nook jack for using the vibe tell LMAO

Lmk if I need to bury Nook but I don't think I do

Nook's "Look at how many posts I have" is asinine and I refuse to believe he doesn't realize it's different when they're empty Nook posts

145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

what’s the villageriest thing you’ve posted iyo?

Idk, I dont have to evaluate myself lol. I think I'm broadly in my town meta but idk that there's one specific thing that clears me. Maybe my entrance wrt mac and Jay or not forcing a read on axe, but

Nook says he doesn't and shouldn't have reasons he's town when he spent his SoD1 insisting he was towntelling

Nook popping in to push back on the two most recent out of however many points against him, and doing it exclusively with factual information, while trying to project not caring, is baaaaaaad

Simple things that have been on the table this whole time like the posts Nook chose to respond to SoD1 making his entrance look awkward as hell

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Oh my god.

GTH reads on Nanook right now go go go

w

From Nanook

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

If Schweppes were in this game, he would say something angsty here

Something angsty

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

My entrance was actually super townie but only axe and mac are gonna recognize it lol

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

It's lost all effect anyway and it's only about the amount of time you want to waste now.

Is this a slip?

Thonk

nook, why are you voting c4?

Iawy read

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?

Have you played with iawy before?

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Seems unlikely given that what I've said hasn't already

I think there's likely a mafia in this game that's sort of sliding by, that pool basically amounts to wilgy/radishes/c4, I dismissed wilgy because I still think he's town and I don't think radishes fits that well, leaving me with c4, someone that has generally escaped my notice. I do believe this game is a prime target for applying the vibe tell read, and c4 fails it harder than anyone else in the game for me, so. I do think there's probably one between radishes and c4 for vague and poorly defined gamestate reasons that I don't really have the willpower or desire to even attempt to expand on, but I kinda think c4 is more likely.

By nature it's difficult to really expound on or sell, and I didn't/don't expect it to convince anyone. Convincing people isn't really my strongsuit anyways. But, that's my read.

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

will return to self voting if the opening presents itself

Conclusion

So. Uh.

lol.

I did not expect to feel this way before opening the ISOs, but these two fit together. Moreover, I think this looks like teammate shit. Hear me out friends:

Their suspicion of each other is undeveloped and blank for the majority of the game to this point. Only recently has either really taken it a step further, and that was c4 once Nanook's wagon was 3-deep and it was clear nobody trusted him. There's a hint, to me, of TMI in their treatment of each other. They almost treat the game like "this guy is obviously suspicious, and it would be redundant for me to even talk about it". Nanook did the same thing by starting 1610-theory. Then consider Nanook's core accusation against c4. Is there any better way than "reference a philosophical read by a guy not in the game" (IAWY) to cast suspicion upon someone else while also ensuring nobody else will be moved by it?

They don't have to be teammates, but they sure as hell can be. I welcome argument.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am literally drowning in irony

we are hard difference checked so we can openly troll people together and never get suspected as partners so let's do that

Is there a better 21st century dancer than Jason sudeikis?

I say no, there is not

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Lulz

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And people are surprised i self voted when there are so many of these absolute smelliest fart I've ever read type posts in this game

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like fuck, just say you don't know how to read me and you don't how to pair/unpair me and you're gonna kill me for it and get on with it

[Hally]

c4 and Nanook

From c4

Spoiler: show

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

I'm treating Nanook and Alison as claim and counterclaim.

This is also a little wack

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Imagine having four votes on you after you've town told your ass off, smh

I call this "Wednesday"

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Start somewhere like this

I still think Nook is wolfier than Radish

And every other Radish point looks like accusing him of being Radish

Shrug



Disclaimer haven't fully absorbed the Radish stuff yet

I'm not giving Nook jack for using the vibe tell LMAO

Lmk if I need to bury Nook but I don't think I do

Nook's "Look at how many posts I have" is asinine and I refuse to believe he doesn't realize it's different when they're empty Nook posts

145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

what’s the villageriest thing you’ve posted iyo?

Idk, I dont have to evaluate myself lol. I think I'm broadly in my town meta but idk that there's one specific thing that clears me. Maybe my entrance wrt mac and Jay or not forcing a read on axe, but

Nook says he doesn't and shouldn't have reasons he's town when he spent his SoD1 insisting he was towntelling

Nook popping in to push back on the two most recent out of however many points against him, and doing it exclusively with factual information, while trying to project not caring, is baaaaaaad

Simple things that have been on the table this whole time like the posts Nook chose to respond to SoD1 making his entrance look awkward as hell

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Oh my god.

GTH reads on Nanook right now go go go

w

From Nanook

Spoiler: show

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

If Schweppes were in this game, he would say something angsty here

Something angsty

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

My entrance was actually super townie but only axe and mac are gonna recognize it lol

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

It's lost all effect anyway and it's only about the amount of time you want to waste now.

Is this a slip?

Thonk

nook, why are you voting c4?

Iawy read

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?

Have you played with iawy before?

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Seems unlikely given that what I've said hasn't already

I think there's likely a mafia in this game that's sort of sliding by, that pool basically amounts to wilgy/radishes/c4, I dismissed wilgy because I still think he's town and I don't think radishes fits that well, leaving me with c4, someone that has generally escaped my notice. I do believe this game is a prime target for applying the vibe tell read, and c4 fails it harder than anyone else in the game for me, so. I do think there's probably one between radishes and c4 for vague and poorly defined gamestate reasons that I don't really have the willpower or desire to even attempt to expand on, but I kinda think c4 is more likely.

By nature it's difficult to really expound on or sell, and I didn't/don't expect it to convince anyone. Convincing people isn't really my strongsuit anyways. But, that's my read.

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

will return to self voting if the opening presents itself

Conclusion

So. Uh.

lol.

I did not expect to feel this way before opening the ISOs, but these two fit together. Moreover, I think this looks like teammate shit. Hear me out friends:

Their suspicion of each other is undeveloped and blank for the majority of the game to this point. Only recently has either really taken it a step further, and that was c4 once Nanook's wagon was 3-deep and it was clear nobody trusted him. There's a hint, to me, of TMI in their treatment of each other. They almost treat the game like "this guy is obviously suspicious, and it would be redundant for me to even talk about it". Nanook did the same thing by starting 1610-theory. Then consider Nanook's core accusation against c4. Is there any better way than "reference a philosophical read by a guy not in the game" (IAWY) to cast suspicion upon someone else while also ensuring nobody else will be moved by it?

They don't have to be teammates, but they sure as hell can be. I welcome argument.

i actually don’t think it’s outlandish at all fwiw and was privately tinfoiling earlier that nook’s static/unexplained push on c4 without trying to convince anyone of it seemed like how wolves could bus here

but i’m sure it fits anymore because i think nook was genuinely frustrated by c4’s push regardless of his alignment, and i think if he and c4 were w/w nook probably wouldn’t get frustrated in the same way? idk

i mean, i think if that’s the exact team and nook goes over today with c4 hard pushing it + being a consensus v read he probably just wins in F3 and c4 is definitely a busser when he wolfs so i could see it from his side for sure. nook’s reaction makes it tricky though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And people are surprised i self voted when there are so many of these absolute smelliest fart I've ever read type posts in this game

I don't understand why you shit on everyone's posts so much

[Hally]

c4 and Nanook

From c4

Spoiler: show

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

I'm treating Nanook and Alison as claim and counterclaim.

This is also a little wack

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Imagine having four votes on you after you've town told your ass off, smh

I call this "Wednesday"

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Start somewhere like this

I still think Nook is wolfier than Radish

And every other Radish point looks like accusing him of being Radish

Shrug



Disclaimer haven't fully absorbed the Radish stuff yet

I'm not giving Nook jack for using the vibe tell LMAO

Lmk if I need to bury Nook but I don't think I do

Nook's "Look at how many posts I have" is asinine and I refuse to believe he doesn't realize it's different when they're empty Nook posts

145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

what’s the villageriest thing you’ve posted iyo?

Idk, I dont have to evaluate myself lol. I think I'm broadly in my town meta but idk that there's one specific thing that clears me. Maybe my entrance wrt mac and Jay or not forcing a read on axe, but

Nook says he doesn't and shouldn't have reasons he's town when he spent his SoD1 insisting he was towntelling

Nook popping in to push back on the two most recent out of however many points against him, and doing it exclusively with factual information, while trying to project not caring, is baaaaaaad

Simple things that have been on the table this whole time like the posts Nook chose to respond to SoD1 making his entrance look awkward as hell

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Oh my god.

GTH reads on Nanook right now go go go

w

From Nanook

Spoiler: show

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

If Schweppes were in this game, he would say something angsty here

Something angsty

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

My entrance was actually super townie but only axe and mac are gonna recognize it lol

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

It's lost all effect anyway and it's only about the amount of time you want to waste now.

Is this a slip?

Thonk

nook, why are you voting c4?

Iawy read

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?

Have you played with iawy before?

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Seems unlikely given that what I've said hasn't already

I think there's likely a mafia in this game that's sort of sliding by, that pool basically amounts to wilgy/radishes/c4, I dismissed wilgy because I still think he's town and I don't think radishes fits that well, leaving me with c4, someone that has generally escaped my notice. I do believe this game is a prime target for applying the vibe tell read, and c4 fails it harder than anyone else in the game for me, so. I do think there's probably one between radishes and c4 for vague and poorly defined gamestate reasons that I don't really have the willpower or desire to even attempt to expand on, but I kinda think c4 is more likely.

By nature it's difficult to really expound on or sell, and I didn't/don't expect it to convince anyone. Convincing people isn't really my strongsuit anyways. But, that's my read.

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

will return to self voting if the opening presents itself

Conclusion

So. Uh.

lol.

I did not expect to feel this way before opening the ISOs, but these two fit together. Moreover, I think this looks like teammate shit. Hear me out friends:

Their suspicion of each other is undeveloped and blank for the majority of the game to this point. Only recently has either really taken it a step further, and that was c4 once Nanook's wagon was 3-deep and it was clear nobody trusted him. There's a hint, to me, of TMI in their treatment of each other. They almost treat the game like "this guy is obviously suspicious, and it would be redundant for me to even talk about it". Nanook did the same thing by starting 1610-theory. Then consider Nanook's core accusation against c4. Is there any better way than "reference a philosophical read by a guy not in the game" (IAWY) to cast suspicion upon someone else while also ensuring nobody else will be moved by it?

They don't have to be teammates, but they sure as hell can be. I welcome argument.

i actually don’t think it’s outlandish at all fwiw and was privately tinfoiling earlier that nook’s static/unexplained push on c4 without trying to convince anyone of it seemed like how wolves could bus here

but i’m sure it fits anymore because i think nook was genuinely frustrated by c4’s push regardless of his alignment, and i think if he and c4 were w/w nook probably wouldn’t get frustrated in the same way? idk

i mean, i think if that’s the exact team and nook goes over today with c4 hard pushing it + being a consensus v read he probably just wins in F3 and c4 is definitely a busser when he wolfs so i could see it from his side for sure. nook’s reaction makes it tricky though.

*i’m NOT sure it fits

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Like fuck, just say you don't know how to read me and you don't how to pair/unpair me and you're gonna kill me for it and get on with it

Just say you hate being suspected so much that you lose any sense of objectivity and stop playing if you're going to lose any sense of objectivity and stop playing

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To be clear, that's not a request to stop playing. It's a reference to your behavior.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And people are surprised i self voted when there are so many of these absolute smelliest fart I've ever read type posts in this game

I don't understand why you shit on everyone's posts so much

>nanook and c4 are likely teammates

Ok boomer

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like fuck, just say you don't know how to read me and you don't how to pair/unpair me and you're gonna kill me for it and get on with it

Just say you hate being suspected so much that you lose any sense of objectivity and stop playing if you're going to lose any sense of objectivity and stop playing

Fuck off

[Hally]

bruh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm stepping away this game continues to be horrendous