Highway Heist (MAFIA WIN)

[Hally]

mb, i misread that as you saying mac was projecting that


but yeah, i agree

to me NAA and c4 look like they’re boxed in and aren’t sure what to push anymore now that the PoE has tightened

c4 in particular i would expect more solving from if he’s a villager in this spot but all i’ve seen is him town reading nook and pairing NAA/mac together, which i think makes sense as a solve from his PoV but doesn’t exactly inspire confidence now that i’m more solid on mac v

i dunno, they both just feel caught to me

[Hally]

they’re posting like how i would expect wolves who thought they were doing okay until two people they thought would be ez mislunches claimed PR and pulled the rug out from under them would post

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yes we got lucky with the power role situation.

[Hally]

Oh my god. Mac is howling.

so is he still howling?

[Hally]

@c4e5g3d5 who are your suspects

Think it's Axe/Mac

Mac's treatment of Axe is almost too compatible to be compatible
Starts by looking for a way tovote outside of him/Axe, thread isn't receptive, switches to setting up potential Axe partners in response
Later townreads Axe again but jumps on the first chance to tie me to him

Mac citing something he knows is completely NAI for me, then going "I don't remember you doing <list of half of what I've done this game>", comes off as deliberately obtuse

Also because I think you're townier than both of them, but this post from you made me question that lmao.

didn’t everything in this post happen today? what about the previous days?

[NotAnAxehole]

axe and c4’s posts are both poop today

At least I'm consistent.

[NotAnAxehole]

Oh my god. Mac is howling.

so is he still howling?

[NotAnAxehole]

Gun to my head, Mac is town. I probably don't have quite your confidence. I think this Day 3 is kind of broadcasting a gamestate though with people clearly solving and people clearly solved. If someone wants to tear me out of that mindset, I am open to being torn. It's happening in my head though.

not sure what you mean?

Both NAA and c4 seem to be struggling to find their place in this day phase, and to me it looks like teammates who aren't sure of the way forward anymore. You and Mac are still working out the game with the progressions and strands that must exist in town brains at MYLO. Nanook isn't doing so quite as visibly, but I think I see inklings of it anyway.

I think you're just projecting. You're struggling to find a justification for your bad read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Gun to my head, Mac is town. I probably don't have quite your confidence. I think this Day 3 is kind of broadcasting a gamestate though with people clearly solving and people clearly solved. If someone wants to tear me out of that mindset, I am open to being torn. It's happening in my head though.

not sure what you mean?

Both NAA and c4 seem to be struggling to find their place in this day phase, and to me it looks like teammates who aren't sure of the way forward anymore. You and Mac are still working out the game with the progressions and strands that must exist in town brains at MYLO. Nanook isn't doing so quite as visibly, but I think I see inklings of it anyway.

I think you're just projecting. You're struggling to find a justification for your bad read.

Does that mean I am wrong or I am mafia?

[NotAnAxehole]

Gun to my head, Mac is town. I probably don't have quite your confidence. I think this Day 3 is kind of broadcasting a gamestate though with people clearly solving and people clearly solved. If someone wants to tear me out of that mindset, I am open to being torn. It's happening in my head though.

not sure what you mean?

Both NAA and c4 seem to be struggling to find their place in this day phase, and to me it looks like teammates who aren't sure of the way forward anymore. You and Mac are still working out the game with the progressions and strands that must exist in town brains at MYLO. Nanook isn't doing so quite as visibly, but I think I see inklings of it anyway.

I think you're just projecting. You're struggling to find a justification for your bad read.

Does that mean I am wrong or I am mafia?

I don't think you're mafia.

[NotAnAxehole]

what does that post even mean lol

It means I'm 99% sure that C4, Dizzy, MR contain 1 or fewer mafia.

@JaggedJimmyJay I'm going to vaguely explain why Mac is mafia without giving away the read entirely.

Let's assume that Mac is mafia, then we can assume that there is a certain agenda to his posts. I'm not going to guess too much as to how this would work.

Now, let's assume that Mac is town... Well then we can assume that he is playing without an agenda, which should roughly demonstrate a random distribution as to the alignment of people he's communicating with.

The random distribution would not necessarily be the game!rand distribution, but leaning towards mac!reads rand distribution. I'm going to assume (I've tested this with a couple games) that Mac's gut / instinctive replies are above the game rand, and he replies to mafia about 30% of the time as town.

Now, if we take this on some of his runs of posting, we can determine that there is about mechanically a 1% chance that Mac, Hally, JJJ, NAA, Nanook, DrWilgy are all town.

I know my alignment, and I have Hally, JJJ as lock town.

I think DrWilgy is firmly within town meta... If you disagree here, this is where I can be wrong.

@JaggedJimmyJay Do you believe that this mech solve was entirely for show?

[NotAnAxehole]

I want you to answer honestly, but if you answer yes, I'm never taking time to explain a read ever again.

[NotAnAxehole]

Mac/C4 final answer.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I want you to answer honestly, but if you answer yes, I'm never taking time to explain a read ever again.

I doubt that you do much of anything "for show". If you're mafia the motivation isn't to "look a certain way", but rather to promote an elimination beneficial to you (and probably with something similar to rationale you really apply as town). One thing that is unclear to me:

The random distribution would not necessarily be the game!rand distribution, but leaning towards mac!reads rand distribution. I'm going to assume (I've tested this with a couple games) that Mac's gut / instinctive replies are above the game rand, and he replies to mafia about 30% of the time as town.

Now, if we take this on some of his runs of posting, we can determine that there is about mechanically a 1% chance that Mac, Hally, JJJ, NAA, Nanook, DrWilgy are all town.

I am unfamiliar with your process, and am not sure how the first line becomes the second -- the math in the middle I cannot readily access or replicate without a better understanding of the statistical analysis you're employing.

[c4e5g3d5]

@JaggedJimmyJay

Have you said your issues with me with words

Can we start there now that we're in LyLo

You are a suspect by POE. I don't find it that hard to believe you can be mafia given your relatively emotionless play. You've provided keen insights, but the vast majority to my memory have been of the town reads variety and require only that you be paying attention. I've seen slots like I perceive yours to be flip mafia with reasonable enough regularity.

Aight

Can't help with these other than say they're individually NAI for me and how I regularly get MLed

[NotAnAxehole]

I want you to answer honestly, but if you answer yes, I'm never taking time to explain a read ever again.

I doubt that you do much of anything "for show". If you're mafia the motivation isn't to "look a certain way", but rather to promote an elimination beneficial to you (and probably with something similar to rationale you really apply as town). One thing that is unclear to me:

The random distribution would not necessarily be the game!rand distribution, but leaning towards mac!reads rand distribution. I'm going to assume (I've tested this with a couple games) that Mac's gut / instinctive replies are above the game rand, and he replies to mafia about 30% of the time as town.

Now, if we take this on some of his runs of posting, we can determine that there is about mechanically a 1% chance that Mac, Hally, JJJ, NAA, Nanook, DrWilgy are all town.

I am unfamiliar with your process, and am not sure how the first line becomes the second -- the math in the middle I cannot readily access or replicate without a better understanding of the statistical analysis you're employing.

Valid point, so you know now that my mechanical analysis was correct. What then was my motivation if wolf? I had a MR kill on the burner & once he claimed, Wilgy (who was town) was next up... I didn't really have to do anything here other that push Alison's Dizzy/MR reads... In this world I already have 2 backup options to the primary plan... So where's the motivation for breaking down the game into these two groups?

[NotAnAxehole]

Albeit, the groups are somewhat meaningless now... But they weren't necessarily at the time... Like what if Nanook and Mac claimed PRs, and we had killed Wilgy or something like that... Then I'd be in a bind with the mechanical situation I created for seemingly no reason.

[c4e5g3d5]

what does that read even mean

What the words say it means. I thought Axe was having more fun making reads and less fun just annoying people. That's how I normally read slots like his that just refuse to cooperate.

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, as mafia, if I'm not going to include my thought process completely, why would I include myself in a group at all? - Probably so that you could look up where I got them from if you were so keen.

[c4e5g3d5]

@c4e5g3d5 why did your suspicion of me increase when I asked you for your suspects

I didn't believe that "What are this one player's wolf reads?" was your first priority when you came back to the thread, over either giving your own thoughts or talking about anything that had happened in the day so far. It just looked like going straight to what's always the obvious thing to push me with, without wanting to admit it.

[c4e5g3d5]

Discouraging wagons

why were the wagons discouraging

Because they were Dizzy and Mac
I really should've voted Mac but Hally gave me hope

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Valid point, so you know now that my mechanical analysis was correct. What then was my motivation if wolf? I had a MR kill on the burner & once he claimed, Wilgy (who was town) was next up... I didn't really have to do anything here other that push Alison's Dizzy/MR reads... In this world I already have 2 backup options to the primary plan... So where's the motivation for breaking down the game into these two groups?

That's what I mean. I can't know it was correct without a better understanding of what you're doing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@c4e5g3d5 why did your suspicion of me increase when I asked you for your suspects

I didn't believe that "What are this one player's wolf reads?" was your first priority when you came back to the thread, over either giving your own thoughts or talking about anything that had happened in the day so far. It just looked like going straight to what's always the obvious thing to push me with, without wanting to admit it.

I was just seeing if you'd POE'd yourself to death like in PSY 2310. You had exactly one option for a mafia team, and it's the one you adopted in response (so that specific moment does not reflect you outing yourself).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@c4e5g3d5 how would you describe the differences between your town game and your mafia game?

[c4e5g3d5]

@c4e5g3d5 who are your suspects

Think it's Axe/Mac

Mac's treatment of Axe is almost too compatible to be compatible
Starts by looking for a way tovote outside of him/Axe, thread isn't receptive, switches to setting up potential Axe partners in response
Later townreads Axe again but jumps on the first chance to tie me to him

Mac citing something he knows is completely NAI for me, then going "I don't remember you doing <list of half of what I've done this game>", comes off as deliberately obtuse

Also because I think you're townier than both of them, but this post from you made me question that lmao.

didn’t everything in this post happen today? what about the previous days?

Previous days tell me you and Nook are town, and that Jay hasn't knocked his towniness out of the park as much but has been pretty well townread by dead town. I'm not gonna go over everything ever every time I talk.

[c4e5g3d5]

@c4e5g3d5 why did your suspicion of me increase when I asked you for your suspects

I didn't believe that "What are this one player's wolf reads?" was your first priority when you came back to the thread, over either giving your own thoughts or talking about anything that had happened in the day so far. It just looked like going straight to what's always the obvious thing to push me with, without wanting to admit it.

I was just seeing if you'd POE'd yourself to death like in PSY 2310. You had exactly one option for a mafia team, and it's the one you adopted in response (so that specific moment does not reflect you outing yourself).

My wolf game is bad but not that bad smh

[c4e5g3d5]

@c4e5g3d5 how would you describe the differences between your town game and your mafia game?

I think as town there are just more shits given? I care more about having good reads, I care more about convincing people I'm right, I care more about clearing myself. My town play tends to vary less than my wolf play, but my wolf play always falls short regardless of whatever stylistic changes I might adopt.

Like in the mentor game, all I did was

1. Project a relaxed/natural and simultaneously confident tone that made people willing to ignore me until it was too late
2. Bus

And there were those things and also me getting miscleared as a neo peek that got me the F3 win, but if you look at my actual solving, my reasons for reads are always in the okay-to-bad range whenever I'm not bussing, and I clearly don't care whether or not anyone else agrees. Two entire cycles were spent shitposting.

Also my most recent wolf game was one on POG where I don't think I posted more than 20 times on any day after D1 so volume cleared ggez

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@c4e5g3d5 thanks for answering. It might be prudent for you to examine the Mac/Nanook interaction and decide if it should be eliminated as a possibility.

It may not seem like it, but I am still listening and thinking.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’ll be out for a while this evening.

[Hally]

two things that give me pause on NAA/c4 being the solve:

- c4 is right that if he’s a wolf here this is the closest he’s come to replicating his town play at least that i’ve seen. it would mean that he was able to completely fool almost everyone with meta on him (me, alison, dizzy, marmot, radishes) and i honestly don’t know if c4 is a strong enough/confident enough wolf to pull that off (no offense c4). it would be impressive for sure.

- the mac/nook dynamic feels like it should contain a wolf. mac and nook are usually very good at reading each other and they’re wolf reading each other here. i’d think if they were v/v they would have found each other by now, but individually i don’t wolf read either of them so i dunno.

[NotAnAxehole]

Mac is obviously a wolf.

[NotAnAxehole]

2nd wolf... Fuck if I know.

[MacDougall]

Mac is obviously a wolf.

I'm really not dude. The fact you can't find a 2nd is probably the smoking gun for you to realise this.

[MacDougall]

That also brings me to my next magic trick. I think Axe is town still and that C4/Nook is the solve.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: C4] aubergine

[Hally]

That also brings me to my next magic trick. I think Axe is town still and that C4/Nook is the solve.

i don’t think c4/nook can be teamed

[Hally]

or at least i would be surprised

NAA/c4 fits a lot better imo

[Hally]

mac can you sell me on NAA being v/nook being a wolf? and/or sell me that nook/c4 works?

[MacDougall]

That also brings me to my next magic trick. I think Axe is town still and that C4/Nook is the solve.

i don’t think c4/nook can be teamed

Maybe I am a dunce, but Axe has had more conviction in his solve today than the other two. What you and Jay were describing before about floundering because your mischops die applies more to Nanook and C4 than it does to Axe.

For me he is the town between the three.

What is obvious to me is that it is not you and/or Jay because you would not need to side with me here to win if it was either of you since 3 other players believe me to be mafia. Axe has articulated his reason for suspecting me better than the other three have. Nanook and C4 in fact really just haven't at all. The one of the three who has handled me the poorest is Nook.

So... let's talk about how/why it can't be C4/Nook then.

[MacDougall]

What I've seen and heard of Axe makes me think the whole "caring about pushing reads" thing doesn't apply to him lol

Soz if my lack of response made you sound unheard, it was just that you ended on the thought I probably would've tried to steer you towards anyway so I decided to just let that thought simmer

wow this is pretty defensive tho lol

[Hally]

That also brings me to my next magic trick. I think Axe is town still and that C4/Nook is the solve.

i don’t think c4/nook can be teamed

Maybe I am a dunce, but Axe has had more conviction in his solve today than the other two. What you and Jay were describing before about floundering because your mischops die applies more to Nanook and C4 than it does to Axe.

For me he is the town between the three.

What is obvious to me is that it is not you and/or Jay because you would not need to side with me here to win if it was either of you since 3 other players believe me to be mafia. Axe has articulated his reason for suspecting me better than the other three have. Nanook and C4 in fact really just haven't at all. The one of the three who has handled me the poorest is Nook.

So... let's talk about how/why it can't be C4/Nook then.

where has he articulated it? i still have no idea why he thinks you’re a wolf

he has that one post with his “mechanical solve” that makes zero sense to me and jay asked him to explain his method for getting there and he didn’t

afaict he is just repeating you’re a wolf over and over but has no idea why

[Hally]

What I've seen and heard of Axe makes me think the whole "caring about pushing reads" thing doesn't apply to him lol

Soz if my lack of response made you sound unheard, it was just that you ended on the thought I probably would've tried to steer you towards anyway so I decided to just let that thought simmer

wow this is pretty defensive tho lol

yeah, and i quoted a couple of other posts earlier today that are just as bad

[MacDougall]

That also brings me to my next magic trick. I think Axe is town still and that C4/Nook is the solve.

i don’t think c4/nook can be teamed

Maybe I am a dunce, but Axe has had more conviction in his solve today than the other two. What you and Jay were describing before about floundering because your mischops die applies more to Nanook and C4 than it does to Axe.

For me he is the town between the three.

What is obvious to me is that it is not you and/or Jay because you would not need to side with me here to win if it was either of you since 3 other players believe me to be mafia. Axe has articulated his reason for suspecting me better than the other three have. Nanook and C4 in fact really just haven't at all. The one of the three who has handled me the poorest is Nook.

So... let's talk about how/why it can't be C4/Nook then.

where has he articulated it? i still have no idea why he thinks you’re a wolf

he has that one post with his “mechanical solve” that makes zero sense to me and jay asked him to explain his method for getting there and he didn’t

afaict he is just repeating you’re a wolf over and over but has no idea why

yeah he has articulated it poorly but it's still better than either c4 or nook have

so reviewing the way c4 handled both of them I would say that...

a) he has handled axe in a partnery way ie. soft defense, not really pushing him... but it is also the same way that a mafia will often defend a townie they know is town and want to pocket, but who they might need to switch off at some point
b) he "suspected nanook" but never provided any clear reasoning and has never really buried nanook... he has also not asked nanook any probing questions or engaged him, in this game distancing is more valuable than it ordinarily would...
c) now that we are at mylo he isn't pushing nanook any more but is pushing me with axe as his solve, he has dropped his nanook sus (which might make sense to you, but doesn't make sense to me, and so probably shouldn't make sense to the person who has been the most sus of nanook all game)

[Hally]

wow, c4 soft defends NAA like… a lot

not gonna quote it all but ctrl+F axe in c4’s iso

really feels like he’s grasping for reasons to keep his teammate out of his PoE

i think i even had a read at one point that c4’s read on NAA was villagery unless they were w/w lol

NAA looks like such a teammate from c4’s iso that it’s almost making me wonder if they would be that obvious as w/w lol

like, look at this:

c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree

Same

who are the wolves?

Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

what are those reasons?

Axe has a towny self-absorption
Dizzy is being significantly more effective and less agenda'd than GoC
Radish's takes have felt like they came without obligation
Wilgy made catches I didn't expect him to when I didn't expect him to

the NAA v read sticks out like a sore thumb here

we know the other three v reads are all correct now and they seem believable enough… and then there’s the axe read that looks like BS to me

i wanna kill NAA over mac and alison

to me NAA’s play just reads like open wolfing while daring anyone to do anything about it and then snickering to himself when he skates by

also the difficulty i’ve had getting traction on my push on him while other targets have gotten votes very easily indicates he’s a wolf

i see he’s since gotten a vote from marmot but idc about that because i v read marmot, and jay seems to be the only other person willing to push NAA with me and i v read him too, whereas it feels like every other wagon has been joined by people i don’t v read

NAA just feels like the play here

Big meh on VCA in a game with 2 wolves

I think the things Axe's snickering about are more based on what he's saying about everyone else than what everyone else is saying about him
I can't ride or die a read like this but I think it's towny

what does that read even mean

he is literally just describing NAA’s behavior (which seems more NAA indicative than AI) and then going “uhh idk it’s towny” lol

i think that regardless of NAA’s alignment my reasons to wolf read him in that post were pretty bad and it would be fairly easy for c4 to use that as a platform to defend NAA without looking too bad off it

I believe wagons or near-wagons existed around the EOD2 stretch on both c4 and NAA, so it'd be interesting to see how each handled that. Mac had a wagon too obviously so that needs to be checked out beyond just NAA's vote placement.

i don’t remember what axe did (my recollection is nothing)

c4 begrudgingly voted NAA but it was at the last second so i don’t think there was enough time for anyone to switch to NAA even if they wanted to

could definitely be a bus vote imo

[Hally]

i’m skimming NAA’s iso and don’t see anything that unaligns him from c4

he throws out c4 as an unexplained wolf read early D1, says he needs to check to see if the read holds, doesn’t check it, then completely drops it and never really talks about c4 again the rest of the game

seems like it could easily be in w/w range

[MacDougall]

Yeah I mean it is true that they are compatible. But I find Nanook and C4 more suspicious than Axe on an individual level and ... I'm not sure that their interactions are clearing for them really.

Can you show me why Nanook and C4 can't be teammates?

[Hally]

That also brings me to my next magic trick. I think Axe is town still and that C4/Nook is the solve.

i don’t think c4/nook can be teamed

Maybe I am a dunce, but Axe has had more conviction in his solve today than the other two. What you and Jay were describing before about floundering because your mischops die applies more to Nanook and C4 than it does to Axe.

For me he is the town between the three.

What is obvious to me is that it is not you and/or Jay because you would not need to side with me here to win if it was either of you since 3 other players believe me to be mafia. Axe has articulated his reason for suspecting me better than the other three have. Nanook and C4 in fact really just haven't at all. The one of the three who has handled me the poorest is Nook.

So... let's talk about how/why it can't be C4/Nook then.

where has he articulated it? i still have no idea why he thinks you’re a wolf

he has that one post with his “mechanical solve” that makes zero sense to me and jay asked him to explain his method for getting there and he didn’t

afaict he is just repeating you’re a wolf over and over but has no idea why

yeah he has articulated it poorly but it's still better than either c4 or nook have

so reviewing the way c4 handled both of them I would say that...

a) he has handled axe in a partnery way ie. soft defense, not really pushing him... but it is also the same way that a mafia will often defend a townie they know is town and want to pocket, but who they might need to switch off at some point
b) he "suspected nanook" but never provided any clear reasoning and has never really buried nanook... he has also not asked nanook any probing questions or engaged him, in this game distancing is more valuable than it ordinarily would...
c) now that we are at mylo he isn't pushing nanook any more but is pushing me with axe as his solve, he has dropped his nanook sus (which might make sense to you, but doesn't make sense to me, and so probably shouldn't make sense to the person who has been the most sus of nanook all game)

re: point A, i kind of struggle to believe any wolf would look at the game and think NAA was the villager they should try to pocket

that seems like a terrible idea from a strategic standpoint

[Hally]

Yeah I mean it is true that they are compatible. But I find Nanook and C4 more suspicious than Axe on an individual level and ... I'm not sure that their interactions are clearing for them really.

Can you show me why Nanook and C4 can't be teammates?

yeah lemme grab stuff

[MacDougall]

I dunno about that Hally, poe town can be greatly strategically beneficial to pocket because they are more inclined to townread you for being townread than a town outside the POE and getting their vote on your side can protect you. I do it all the time.

[Hally]

Nook's "Look at how many posts I have" is asinine and I refuse to believe he doesn't realize it's different when they're empty Nook posts

145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

what’s the villageriest thing you’ve posted iyo?

Idk, I dont have to evaluate myself lol. I think I'm broadly in my town meta but idk that there's one specific thing that clears me. Maybe my entrance wrt mac and Jay or not forcing a read on axe, but

Nook says he doesn't and shouldn't have reasons he's town when he spent his SoD1 insisting he was towntelling

Nook popping in to push back on the two most recent out of however many points against him, and doing it exclusively with factual information, while trying to project not caring, is baaaaaaad

Simple things that have been on the table this whole time like the posts Nook chose to respond to SoD1 making his entrance look awkward as hell

"Doing it exclusively with factual information" sorry next time ill just make stuff up instead

Nook popping in to push back on the two most recent out of however many points against him, and doing it exclusively with factual information, while trying to project not caring, is baaaaaaad

Why is this baaaaaaad

1. Soft beetlejuice
2. Picks the easy way to refute points even when (particularly with how he cites his postcount) it doesn't actually refute points
3. Acting like he doesn't care when his actions imply he does care

Like he literally started getting indignant about pushes on him right after people said the fact that he wasn't doing so was wolfy, after not having been in thread
I feel like this case writes itself

I don't feel that I'm any more indignant than I've been this entire game

I think most of you are just poor at reading my tone

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Seems unlikely given that what I've said hasn't already

I think there's likely a mafia in this game that's sort of sliding by, that pool basically amounts to wilgy/radishes/c4, I dismissed wilgy because I still think he's town and I don't think radishes fits that well, leaving me with c4, someone that has generally escaped my notice. I do believe this game is a prime target for applying the vibe tell read, and c4 fails it harder than anyone else in the game for me, so. I do think there's probably one between radishes and c4 for vague and poorly defined gamestate reasons that I don't really have the willpower or desire to even attempt to expand on, but I kinda think c4 is more likely.

By nature it's difficult to really expound on or sell, and I didn't/don't expect it to convince anyone. Convincing people isn't really my strongsuit anyways. But, that's my read.

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

will return to self voting if the opening presents itself

GTH reads on Nanook right now go go go

w

c4 and Nanook

From c4

Spoiler: show

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

I'm treating Nanook and Alison as claim and counterclaim.

This is also a little wack

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Imagine having four votes on you after you've town told your ass off, smh

I call this "Wednesday"

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Start somewhere like this

I still think Nook is wolfier than Radish

And every other Radish point looks like accusing him of being Radish

Shrug



Disclaimer haven't fully absorbed the Radish stuff yet

I'm not giving Nook jack for using the vibe tell LMAO

Lmk if I need to bury Nook but I don't think I do

Nook's "Look at how many posts I have" is asinine and I refuse to believe he doesn't realize it's different when they're empty Nook posts

145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

what’s the villageriest thing you’ve posted iyo?

Idk, I dont have to evaluate myself lol. I think I'm broadly in my town meta but idk that there's one specific thing that clears me. Maybe my entrance wrt mac and Jay or not forcing a read on axe, but

Nook says he doesn't and shouldn't have reasons he's town when he spent his SoD1 insisting he was towntelling

Nook popping in to push back on the two most recent out of however many points against him, and doing it exclusively with factual information, while trying to project not caring, is baaaaaaad

Simple things that have been on the table this whole time like the posts Nook chose to respond to SoD1 making his entrance look awkward as hell

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Oh my god.

GTH reads on Nanook right now go go go

w

From Nanook

Spoiler: show

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

If Schweppes were in this game, he would say something angsty here

Something angsty

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

My entrance was actually super townie but only axe and mac are gonna recognize it lol

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

It's lost all effect anyway and it's only about the amount of time you want to waste now.

Is this a slip?

Thonk

nook, why are you voting c4?

Iawy read

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?

Have you played with iawy before?

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Seems unlikely given that what I've said hasn't already

I think there's likely a mafia in this game that's sort of sliding by, that pool basically amounts to wilgy/radishes/c4, I dismissed wilgy because I still think he's town and I don't think radishes fits that well, leaving me with c4, someone that has generally escaped my notice. I do believe this game is a prime target for applying the vibe tell read, and c4 fails it harder than anyone else in the game for me, so. I do think there's probably one between radishes and c4 for vague and poorly defined gamestate reasons that I don't really have the willpower or desire to even attempt to expand on, but I kinda think c4 is more likely.

By nature it's difficult to really expound on or sell, and I didn't/don't expect it to convince anyone. Convincing people isn't really my strongsuit anyways. But, that's my read.

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

will return to self voting if the opening presents itself

Conclusion

So. Uh.

lol.

I did not expect to feel this way before opening the ISOs, but these two fit together. Moreover, I think this looks like teammate shit. Hear me out friends:

Their suspicion of each other is undeveloped and blank for the majority of the game to this point. Only recently has either really taken it a step further, and that was c4 once Nanook's wagon was 3-deep and it was clear nobody trusted him. There's a hint, to me, of TMI in their treatment of each other. They almost treat the game like "this guy is obviously suspicious, and it would be redundant for me to even talk about it". Nanook did the same thing by starting 1610-theory. Then consider Nanook's core accusation against c4. Is there any better way than "reference a philosophical read by a guy not in the game" (IAWY) to cast suspicion upon someone else while also ensuring nobody else will be moved by it?

They don't have to be teammates, but they sure as hell can be. I welcome argument.

Lulz

And people are surprised i self voted when there are so many of these absolute smelliest fart I've ever read type posts in this game

Like fuck, just say you don't know how to read me and you don't how to pair/unpair me and you're gonna kill me for it and get on with it

And people are surprised i self voted when there are so many of these absolute smelliest fart I've ever read type posts in this game

I don't understand why you shit on everyone's posts so much

>nanook and c4 are likely teammates

Ok boomer

Like fuck, just say you don't know how to read me and you don't how to pair/unpair me and you're gonna kill me for it and get on with it

Just say you hate being suspected so much that you lose any sense of objectivity and stop playing if you're going to lose any sense of objectivity and stop playing

Fuck off