Veggie Wars Mafia [TOWN WIN]

[MacDougall]

Anyway my solve is basically

Ender Wiggin is 90% mafia
There is a probably difference check between Falcon/NAA (albeit plausible that NAA just hard distanced Falcon out of the gate cuz of mountainous strategy)
If I am wrong on EW then I was probably just right on MR in the first place.

So for me it's EW/MR different (but significantly more likely EW is mafia) and Falcon/NAA different (kinda 50/50 with a fractional lean towards Falcon being town and the possibility they are actually teammates).

Feel free to chew on that while I go to work and forget about this game.

[EnderWiggin]

Current votes for the record:

Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)

No other votes

Also MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.

In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.

If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

All hail the magic conch.

[EnderWiggin]

Okay, well my instinct read was correct on Falcon...

Damn you, Nanook.

Why is Mac's words so suddenly impactful for you?

[MacDougall]

Current votes for the record:

Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)

No other votes

Also MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.

In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.

If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.

So you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.

[MacDougall]

Okay, well my instinct read was correct on Falcon...

Damn you, Nanook.

Why is Mac's words so suddenly impactful for you?

When things are dire and confidence is low all one really needs is for someone to sound like they have a direction and to provide one with purpose. Leadership 101 lol.

[Lime Coke]

Okay, well my instinct read was correct on Falcon...

Damn you, Nanook.

Why is Mac's words so suddenly impactful for you?

Nanook dying with a joke townread on him.

Day 1 sucked and I can't be bothered to do anything.

[MacDougall]

Current votes for the record:

Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)

No other votes

Also MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.

In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.

If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.

So you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.

Point being here is that you're helping the argument I already had that MR isn't mafia and that you were trying to pocket him lol.

[EnderWiggin]

Current votes for the record:

Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)

No other votes

Also MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.

In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.

If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.

So you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.

I mean I straight up think MR is town from EOD yesterday.

Falc I don't think is so cleared from that because EOD was kinda quiet. It was Me/LC/MR/A little bit of NAA/Falc from memory.

[NotAnAxehole]

@MacDougall is it distancing if me scum reading someone guarantees they don't get killed?

[Lime Coke]

Also, Ender, I can't read you anyways dude.

Best to leave it to someone else.

Not to take the blame off me FYI, just leave me less annoyed with myself for fucking up.

[MacDougall]

Nook death would at level 1 imply a team of like Seanzie/Falcon or something which is just like ... okay if that's the team and the town fucked d1 up that hard then lol I guess. More likely is that he was chosen to die specifically because his reads were not good and the mafia wanted them to be sheeped.

[EnderWiggin]

Current votes for the record:

Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)

No other votes

Also MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.

In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.

If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.

So you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.

Point being here is that you're helping the argument I already had that MR isn't mafia and that you were trying to pocket him lol.

I'm happy to help that. I just wanted to point it out because I felt the team was flawed lol.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall is it distancing if me scum reading someone guarantees they don't get killed?

Lol. Yes, it's like distancing with no drawback.

[MacDougall]

Current votes for the record:

Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)

No other votes

Also MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.

In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.

If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.

So you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.

I mean I straight up think MR is town from EOD yesterday.

Falc I don't think is so cleared from that because EOD was kinda quiet. It was Me/LC/MR/A little bit of NAA/Falc from memory.

I don't mind killing Falcon first because it's entirely possible he's mafia from my backread. I am just reading you as much more likely to be mafia than him, and I don't see you paired.

[Lime Coke]

Nook death would at level 1 imply a team of like Seanzie/Falcon or something which is just like ... okay if that's the team and the town fucked d1 up that hard then lol I guess. More likely is that he was chosen to die specifically because his reads were not good and the mafia wanted them to be sheeped.

I mean...not the first time that's happened so I wouldn't be surprised?

[EnderWiggin]

Nook death would at level 1 imply a team of like Seanzie/Falcon or something which is just like ... okay if that's the team and the town fucked d1 up that hard then lol I guess. More likely is that he was chosen to die specifically because his reads were not good and the mafia wanted them to be sheeped.

Doesn't that imply I'm not wolf though?

Also actually on that note me as wolf probably doesn't N1 Nanook because it takes a while for him to solidify on me being wolf and there are bigger threats to me.

[Lime Coke]

Nothing against Nanook just saying that someone's done that to me before and it was a massive "wtf?"

[MacDougall]

Nook death would at level 1 imply a team of like Seanzie/Falcon or something which is just like ... okay if that's the team and the town fucked d1 up that hard then lol I guess. More likely is that he was chosen to die specifically because his reads were not good and the mafia wanted them to be sheeped.

Doesn't that imply I'm not wolf though?

Also actually on that note me as wolf probably doesn't N1 Nanook because it takes a while for him to solidify on me being wolf and there are bigger threats to me.

If the latter is the reality how does it imply you're not a wolf?

[MacDougall]

We don't use wifom NKA to defend ourselves from a spurious early day 2 push Ender lol. Come on now.

[EnderWiggin]

Also, Ender, I can't read you anyways dude.

Best to leave it to someone else.

Not to take the blame off me FYI, just leave me less annoyed with myself for fucking up.

Mmmm.

I'm gonna re-read it a little but I'm actually thinking this might be LC wolf here.

LC has been scared of me as wolf in the past because I've grasped his meta outside his angry play pretty well. This feels like him grasping a chance to push against me while someone else has the blame for the reasons when I flip town.

I'm busy atm and will need to leave soon but that is definitely a possibility. (Mac not paired in that case.)

[EnderWiggin]

Nook death would at level 1 imply a team of like Seanzie/Falcon or something which is just like ... okay if that's the team and the town fucked d1 up that hard then lol I guess. More likely is that he was chosen to die specifically because his reads were not good and the mafia wanted them to be sheeped.

Doesn't that imply I'm not wolf though?

Also actually on that note me as wolf probably doesn't N1 Nanook because it takes a while for him to solidify on me being wolf and there are bigger threats to me.

If the latter is the reality how does it imply you're not a wolf?

Nanook scumread me on D1 pretty sure. =P

[EnderWiggin]

We don't use wifom NKA to defend ourselves from a spurious early day 2 push Ender lol. Come on now.

In my defense I wasn't the first to bring it up. I was pointing something about it out.

But also yeah, doesn't clear me.

[MacDougall]

Nook death would at level 1 imply a team of like Seanzie/Falcon or something which is just like ... okay if that's the team and the town fucked d1 up that hard then lol I guess. More likely is that he was chosen to die specifically because his reads were not good and the mafia wanted them to be sheeped.

Doesn't that imply I'm not wolf though?

Also actually on that note me as wolf probably doesn't N1 Nanook because it takes a while for him to solidify on me being wolf and there are bigger threats to me.

If the latter is the reality how does it imply you're not a wolf?

Nanook scumread me on D1 pretty sure. =P

But had his vote on Seanzie. All the more reason to kill him.

[Lime Coke]

Also, Ender, I can't read you anyways dude.

Best to leave it to someone else.

Not to take the blame off me FYI, just leave me less annoyed with myself for fucking up.

Mmmm.

I'm gonna re-read it a little but I'm actually thinking this might be LC wolf here.

LC has been scared of me as wolf in the past because I've grasped his meta outside his angry play pretty well. This feels like him grasping a chance to push against me while someone else has the blame for the reasons when I flip town.

I'm busy atm and will need to leave soon but that is definitely a possibility. (Mac not paired in that case.)

I've townread you pretty strongly every game when you were a wolf.

So are you really not considering this when looking at that?

[MacDougall]

@Seanzie what say you?

[EnderWiggin]

Also, Ender, I can't read you anyways dude.

Best to leave it to someone else.

Not to take the blame off me FYI, just leave me less annoyed with myself for fucking up.

Mmmm.

I'm gonna re-read it a little but I'm actually thinking this might be LC wolf here.

LC has been scared of me as wolf in the past because I've grasped his meta outside his angry play pretty well. This feels like him grasping a chance to push against me while someone else has the blame for the reasons when I flip town.

I'm busy atm and will need to leave soon but that is definitely a possibility. (Mac not paired in that case.)

I've townread you pretty strongly every game when you were a wolf.

So are you really not considering this when looking at that?

I was also your "Most confident townread" on day 1 here too.

Yet you've shown doubt about your townread before when it feels like winds are blowing against me. You never commit to being my biggest detractor, and "sheeping Mac" is a great excuse for it.

That being said, I'm not 100% sure this does fit your meta, it was just a thought when seeing you play metronome with your stance.

[MacDougall]

I doubt LC would hard flip to side with me like that if you were town and he was mafia. He would much prefer to revel in me being embarrassingly wrong and continue to pocket you while arguing with me. He might even go as far as voting me and pushing me.

[NotAnAxehole]

So, Mac is mafia and we just kill Mac (if somehow town) -> Ender (otherwise) -> Falcon

[Lime Coke]

I doubt LC would hard flip to side with me like that if you were town and he was mafia. He would much prefer to revel in me being embarrassingly wrong and continue to pocket you while arguing with me. He might even go as far as voting me and pushing me.

I'm not even posting here if I was mafia I wouldn't need to do anything.

[Lime Coke]

Also, Ender, I can't read you anyways dude.

Best to leave it to someone else.

Not to take the blame off me FYI, just leave me less annoyed with myself for fucking up.

Mmmm.

I'm gonna re-read it a little but I'm actually thinking this might be LC wolf here.

LC has been scared of me as wolf in the past because I've grasped his meta outside his angry play pretty well. This feels like him grasping a chance to push against me while someone else has the blame for the reasons when I flip town.

I'm busy atm and will need to leave soon but that is definitely a possibility. (Mac not paired in that case.)

I've townread you pretty strongly every game when you were a wolf.

So are you really not considering this when looking at that?

I was also your "Most confident townread" on day 1 here too.

Yet you've shown doubt about your townread before when it feels like winds are blowing against me. You never commit to being my biggest detractor, and "sheeping Mac" is a great excuse for it.

That being said, I'm not 100% sure this does fit your meta, it was just a thought when seeing you play metronome with your stance.

This wouldn't be happening if I didn't misclear you about 3 games by now, as I was putting in effort to actually read you.

[MacDougall]

So, Mac is mafia and we just kill Mac (if somehow town) -> Ender (otherwise) -> Falcon

This is not a real read. You are not this bad at mafia.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

He's either Maf or Unhelpful Town



Still very much ok w/ Ender's flip

[falcon45ca]

I'm not seeing much of a reason to TR Porscha either

[falcon45ca]

Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.

And I won't even feel bad if you're town.

Seems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.

Is a pattern necessary for you to be Maf? I don't think so.



You did have a nice pun to start this RD, but I need more than awesome jokes from you plz

[Seanzie]

I think that Fingersplints, LC and Porscha are all pretty much just town here. Porscha a tier below the other two. Seanzie I think is likely to be town too.

Why do you think I'm town? I've done fuckall thus far.

[Seanzie]

Current votes for the record:

Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)

No other votes

Also MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.

In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.

If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.

So you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.

Eh, I don't really agree with this. Before Falcon was in the tie, MR was calling for a rand (like when LC asked if he should vote me, MR encouraged it to make tiezilla happen), and then Falcon ended up joining the mix because Ender and LC both jumped on me simultaneously, putting me ahead, and then LC moved to Falcon to 4-way-tie it. If MR would have THEN moved to Falcon, breaking the tie after having rescinded his strong scumread on Falcon, that would have been super sus.

[Seanzie]

Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.

And I won't even feel bad if you're town.

Seems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.

Is a pattern necessary for you to be Maf? I don't think so.



You did have a nice pun to start this RD, but I need more than awesome jokes from you plz

The point was that while I did miss most of D1, I literally made an effort to actually show up at D2 and give a crap just to get accosted right out the gate.

[falcon45ca]

Town lean Sean, MR.

Porscha is pretty null atm


POE NAA, Mac, Ender, LC

[falcon45ca]

Fingers also fairly null...which is less than ideal. I feel I can usually get some form of read on her, so I'll look unto that

[Seanzie]

Town lean Sean, MR.

Porscha is pretty null atm


POE NAA, Mac, Ender, LC

Tell me about me and MR. Why are we town?

[falcon45ca]

Town lean Sean, MR.

Porscha is pretty null atm


POE NAA, Mac, Ender, LC

Tell me about me and MR. Why are we town?

Your reaction to being called out for your absence, and MR for wagon choices EOD.


It's a lean, not a lock, but a lean I like atm

[MacDougall]

I think that Fingersplints, LC and Porscha are all pretty much just town here. Porscha a tier below the other two. Seanzie I think is likely to be town too.

Why do you think I'm town? I've done fuckall thus far.

ender voted you lol

[Porscha]

I can't believe my boy wilgy has been lost so early he was only strong town read ;(

uuuuh I still don't have a reason to not really still read MR maf like I did day 1

hate the way NAA is playing on his reads

I felt nanook was a decent town read so I'm not surprised they died n1

if mafia are smart they will keep me around b/c I'm bad at this game and probably won't make strong pushes

also can't believe dunya said with cucumber dead their hopes of innuendos goes out the door like ... damn that hurts me (a sweet, innocent eggplant) T.T

[Porscha]

I think that Fingersplints, LC and Porscha are all pretty much just town here. Porscha a tier below the other two. Seanzie I think is likely to be town too.

i'm the towniest player here wdym put me top tier

[Porscha]

Town lean Sean, MR.

Porscha is pretty null atm


POE NAA, Mac, Ender, LC

Tell me about me and MR. Why are we town?

Your reaction to being called out for your absence, and MR for wagon choices EOD.


It's a lean, not a lock, but a lean I like atm

I don't feel like MR eod voting choice should mean very much b/c in a situation with what was it, a 4 way tie? anyone coming off the tie to confirm a flip when nobody was being hard scum read would have consequences of the interrogation variety (less so if the flipped person ended up being wolf) but like. otherwise it's going to draw attention to you no matter what. if I was maf I'd prefer to slank it there and take the 25% one of you goes over UNLESS maf was also not being voted at all. then no risk and no reason to move vote anyway

[Lime Coke]

What do you have as a worldview overall? @Porscha

[Porscha]

I don't really know what you're asking can you be a little specific in what you're looking for me to answer

[Lime Coke]

I don't really know what you're asking can you be a little specific in what you're looking for me to answer

Do you think the Earth is flat or round?

What are your reads? What do you see as the possible team or who isn't teamed?

Just anything.

[Porscha]

i'm too dumb to figure out a team here day 2 tbh but day 1 I read you town

I want to believe mac is town

MR still maf

NAA rubbing me the wrong way

I don't know what to think about wiggin from day1 or day 2 yet i'm still on the fence with them

now that seanzie showed up I feel alright about them potentially being town

I think fingers may be a missing link and could potentially help a lot once they start joining

unsure on falcon atm but I think like 60% tr 40% sr them rn