falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:07 pm
Fingers also fairly null...which is less than ideal. I feel I can usually get some form of read on her, so I'll look unto that
I’m not sure I buy this post. Falcon regularly suspects me early on. The only game he didn’t was pandas vs trash pandas where he was mafia and NK me N1
The suspicious part of me says he is talking about me because he knows I’ll expect it but can’t start a genuine suspicion on me yet that town falcon would be able to.
Still reading but take back my town lean of day 1
Also MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.
In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.
If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.
So you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.
I mean I straight up think MR is town from EOD yesterday.
Falc I don't think is so cleared from that because EOD was kinda quiet. It was Me/LC/MR/A little bit of NAA/Falc from memory.
I don't mind killing Falcon first because it's entirely possible he's mafia from my backread. I am just reading you as much more likely to be mafia than him, and I don't see you paired.
I agree to this that I can’t see falcon or ender paired, and potentially a flip on one could be enlightening about the other.
I’m not sure I see the case on Ender yet; his behaviour seems pretty standard of his town game for me but I can’t actually recall his mafia game either. So I guess I’d prefer falcon of the two based on my gut feelings here based on past play with him.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 4:39 pm
Like the main thing that's wolfy on Falcon is just the fact that his vote has been on Ender all day and I don't remember him doing anything else.
Which is close to Fleabag where he just voted Illario all game but yeah.
Like what is everyone else seeing that I'm not seeing?
Why is it scummy to vote scum?
Ender's scum btw
I think he's town, really.
Why
His attempts to gain any sort of read with what little the game had to offer early, kind of his reaction to me townreading him for the least amount needed at that moment, a bit of his approach to me felt like town.
Probably most confident read currently.
You're making me increasingly nervous
I find this exchange interesting given Nanook was the one killed. This plus LC’s vote on ender with comments like this
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:47 pm
Also, Ender, I can't read you anyways dude.
Best to leave it to someone else.
Not to take the blame off me FYI, just leave me less annoyed with myself for fucking up.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:38 pm
I think that Fingersplints, LC and Porscha are all pretty much just town here. Porscha a tier below the other two. Seanzie I think is likely to be town too.
Why do you think I'm town? I've done fuckall thus far.
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:39 am
Welp, looks like I gotta self près onto enderwagon
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:22 am
@NotAnAxehole how did you get on an ender vote? Reading your iso seemed like you firmly think mac and falcon are maf, so why vote with Mac?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:38 pm
I think that Fingersplints, LC and Porscha are all pretty much just town here. Porscha a tier below the other two. Seanzie I think is likely to be town too.
Why do you think I'm town? I've done fuckall thus far.
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:14 am
What does “DADV” mean?
DADV - Dead air dead villager. Stagnant wagons/thread leading up to EoD is sometimes a sign of wolves being content with the current gamestate, suggesting the lead wagon is >rand!town.
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 4:39 pm
Like the main thing that's wolfy on Falcon is just the fact that his vote has been on Ender all day and I don't remember him doing anything else.
Which is close to Fleabag where he just voted Illario all game but yeah.
Like what is everyone else seeing that I'm not seeing?
Why is it scummy to vote scum?
Ender's scum btw
I think he's town, really.
Why
His attempts to gain any sort of read with what little the game had to offer early, kind of his reaction to me townreading him for the least amount needed at that moment, a bit of his approach to me felt like town.
Probably most confident read currently.
You're making me increasingly nervous
I find this exchange interesting given Nanook was the one killed. This plus LC’s vote on ender with comments like this
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:47 pm
Also, Ender, I can't read you anyways dude.
Best to leave it to someone else.
Not to take the blame off me FYI, just leave me less annoyed with myself for fucking up.
@falcon45ca do you reject my scum read on you based on the premise that you think you've been towny, that you've done nothing this game, or that you think the read is faked?
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:08 am
For the sake of clarity,
@falcon45ca do you reject my scum read on you based on the premise that you think you've been towny, that you've done nothing this game, or that you think the read is faked?
His attempts to gain any sort of read with what little the game had to offer early, kind of his reaction to me townreading him for the least amount needed at that moment, a bit of his approach to me felt like town.
Probably most confident read currently.
You're making me increasingly nervous
I find this exchange interesting given Nanook was the one killed. This plus LC’s vote on ender with comments like this
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:47 pm
Also, Ender, I can't read you anyways dude.
Best to leave it to someone else.
Not to take the blame off me FYI, just leave me less annoyed with myself for fucking up.
What do you mean by "interesting"?
It means I feel the same way nanook did (“Making me increasingly nervous”)
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
Oh, you're playing now? Excellent
What's your take on Porscha & fingers?
Eh, I don't like this. NAA has given a lot of thoughts on you. Are some of them kinda reachy? Sure, but he gave reasons for him pushing you. Pretending like he hasn't and only just now started "playing" is pretty meh.
Kinda starting to think NAA might be on to something.
honestly i'm pretty convinced DADV happened day 1 votes so here is who had no votes. at least 1 maf has to be in no votes IF NOT BOTH HAD NO VOTES
Ender
Finger
LC
Mac
Porscha
NAA
Nanook (not applicable)
(and obviously not me hehe) so between NAA, Mac, LC, Finger, Ender. what's the thoughts? Mac started day by pushing Ender. Falcon getting a lot of attention all game, not sure if someone day 1 kept him from becoming wagon if he was actually wolf up with votes
NAA cracking the whip with his pushy and stand offish posts / pushes idk what to do with it
Mac might be just giving me brain worms and tricking me
LC is *big chilling* from what I can tell and this makes me quite suspicious of them despite my day 1 town read. LC also voted with NAA on Falcon so I don't see any of those 3 paired cuz I think there is 1 mafia between the 3
Just waiting on Finger to get into the game to be able to assess the vibes
also don't know what to think of Ender. think they were high poster day 1. dont know if this was talkative maf who is shmearing the confusion cream cheese on the toast or just a townie trying to cast a wide net to figure something out. idk
You're being an unacceptable level of stupid, with zero sexy, and no sense of humor.
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
Is that not standard for Mac though?
I don't understand how that matters, if Mac is muted 1 day, and has a confidently incorrect read the next day, why should my reaction be anything other than to vote Mac? Should I give Mac a free ride to victory every game because he's within his meta while completely ignoring his game impact and accuracy?
I treat this type of play from Mac (yes, within his meta) as a difference check between him and Ender. I think it's the only way to play, otherwise as Mac... Just do this every game, profit as scum, and it likely doesn't affect town win rate all that much because you allow other people to take the D1 kill and just swoop in with what you want D2.
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:38 pm
this is a good point falcon I am increasingly worried I have mac brain worms b/c I am biased and have never witnessed wolf mac yet
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
Is that not standard for Mac though?
I don't understand how that matters, if Mac is muted 1 day, and has a confidently incorrect read the next day, why should my reaction be anything other than to vote Mac? Should I give Mac a free ride to victory every game because he's within his meta while completely ignoring his game impact and accuracy?
I treat this type of play from Mac (yes, within his meta) as a difference check between him and Ender. I think it's the only way to play, otherwise as Mac... Just do this every game, profit as scum, and it likely doesn't affect town win rate all that much because you allow other people to take the D1 kill and just swoop in with what you want D2.
I am by no means trying to imply you should give Mac a free ride. I was only trying to figure out why it specifically made you that sure of him since I think you are likely town
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
Oh, you're playing now? Excellent
What's your take on Porscha & fingers?
Eh, I don't like this. NAA has given a lot of thoughts on you. Are some of them kinda reachy? Sure, but he gave reasons for him pushing you. Pretending like he hasn't and only just now started "playing" is pretty meh.
Kinda starting to think NAA might be on to something.
If you read thru NAA's "thoughts" on me and read them as genuine, then I've got a bridge to sell ya
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
Oh, you're playing now? Excellent
What's your take on Porscha & fingers?
Eh, I don't like this. NAA has given a lot of thoughts on you. Are some of them kinda reachy? Sure, but he gave reasons for him pushing you. Pretending like he hasn't and only just now started "playing" is pretty meh.
Kinda starting to think NAA might be on to something.
If you read thru NAA's "thoughts" on me and read them as genuine, then I've got a bridge to sell ya
Falcon is pushing the view of "NAA is not genuine", he is not pushing "the read is incorrect". That is how you know he's mafia.
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
Oh, you're playing now? Excellent
What's your take on Porscha & fingers?
Eh, I don't like this. NAA has given a lot of thoughts on you. Are some of them kinda reachy? Sure, but he gave reasons for him pushing you. Pretending like he hasn't and only just now started "playing" is pretty meh.
Kinda starting to think NAA might be on to something.
Falcon is Maf, falcon is maf cuz he talks about vegetables, falcon is maf voting the biggest wagon, falcon is maf cuz he's still on the wagon, falcon is Maf cuz 3 others soft defended him, falcon is maf cuz nook scum reads him....
Sure it's lots of thoughts, but it's very low quality reads. Or do you disagree? Do you think they are quality, genuine reads?
I mean, NAA gave more insight into his one Mac read than all of his reads on my slot combined
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
Oh, you're playing now? Excellent
What's your take on Porscha & fingers?
Eh, I don't like this. NAA has given a lot of thoughts on you. Are some of them kinda reachy? Sure, but he gave reasons for him pushing you. Pretending like he hasn't and only just now started "playing" is pretty meh.
Kinda starting to think NAA might be on to something.
If you read thru NAA's "thoughts" on me and read them as genuine, then I've got a bridge to sell ya
Falcon is pushing the view of "NAA is not genuine", he is not pushing "the read is incorrect". That is how you know he's mafia.
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am
TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?
It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.
Oh, you're playing now? Excellent
What's your take on Porscha & fingers?
Eh, I don't like this. NAA has given a lot of thoughts on you. Are some of them kinda reachy? Sure, but he gave reasons for him pushing you. Pretending like he hasn't and only just now started "playing" is pretty meh.
Kinda starting to think NAA might be on to something.
Falcon is Maf, falcon is maf cuz he talks about vegetables, falcon is maf voting the biggest wagon, falcon is maf cuz he's still on the wagon, falcon is Maf cuz 3 others soft defended him, falcon is maf cuz nook scum reads him....
Sure it's lots of thoughts, but it's very low quality reads. Or do you disagree? Do you think they are quality, genuine reads?
I mean, NAA gave more insight into his one Mac read than all of his reads on my slot combined
Eh, I agree some are pretty iffy, but if you were frozen on an early wagon that dispersed naturally, that isn't a good look. I don't remember any early wagons so I can't say how you felt in the moment, but that one I thought was a pretty good comment.
More important though it seems you're pretty bothered by these low quality reads, and wished they didn't exist at all. Now, town definitely can get annoyed by this sort of behavior, but what I need to figure out is if you're annoyed town or if you're mafia feeling like you're caught for the wrong reasons.
