Veggie Wars Mafia [TOWN WIN]

[fingersplints]

I don’t think LC and falcon are paired, so if falcon flips mafia than LC is ok

[Master Radishes]

Mac caught me so now I'm f-f-f-frozen

[Seanzie]

NAA moved from Ender to Falcon just now as well.

[Master Radishes]

I too have read back and solved the game, but I'm gonna hold my opinions until game's end to make it fair.

[fingersplints]

NAA moved from Ender to Falcon just now as well.

Yea he’s been moving around

[fingersplints]

It’s a move that always makes me a bit uneasy, but isn’t out of character

[Seanzie]

It’s a move that always makes me a bit uneasy, but isn’t out of character

I know he does this a lot, but I really don't like it when people ghost-vote. It makes it impossible to reconstruct the vote at different times upon recollection, so I try to comment when I see people do it, so later on if we ask something like "when did Falcon's wagon pull ahead?" or "when did Ender's wagon start to die?" We have a concerete reference point.

[Lime Coke]

If Falcon town then NAA is mafia.

[Lime Coke]

TBH I can see either worlds of Falcon or NAA being mafia just based on how they're playing around each other.

Probably not paired but at least 1 in Falcon or NAA.

[Porscha]

this is a good point falcon I am increasingly worried I have mac brain worms b/c I am biased and have never witnessed wolf mac yet

?

You heard me

[MacDougall]

Mac caught me so now I'm f-f-f-frozen

Strange post given what I actually said

[MacDougall]

I too have read back and solved the game, but I'm gonna hold my opinions until game's end to make it fair.

Lol why are you starting the game day low key insulting me?

[MacDougall]

Wow that's it for MR. Okay I guess.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: MR] aubergine

[Porscha]

TBH I can see either worlds of Falcon or NAA being mafia just based on how they're playing around each other.

Probably not paired but at least 1 in Falcon or NAA.

How do you feel about the day 1 vote where you and NAA both voted falcon. Would you do it again? Would NAA voting with you make you feel uneasy? Did you put initial vote on falcon or did NAA?

[Porscha]

Cuz as far as I'm concerned, there is likely 1 maf between the 3 of you involved in that vote. Including possibly you

[Lime Coke]

Mac caught me so now I'm f-f-f-frozen

Strange post given what I actually said

Sorry...what did you say? I fell asleep during it...

[Lime Coke]

TBH I can see either worlds of Falcon or NAA being mafia just based on how they're playing around each other.

Probably not paired but at least 1 in Falcon or NAA.

How do you feel about the day 1 vote where you and NAA both voted falcon. Would you do it again? Would NAA voting with you make you feel uneasy? Did you put initial vote on falcon or did NAA?

NAA's read had nothing to do with my decision, Nanook's read actually influenced it which I looked at something that I realized happened in a wolf game that Falcon did, so I voted him then.

[Porscha]

Wow that's it for MR. Okay I guess.

I dont really have an issue going on MR but what do you think about how NAA has been playing mac

[fingersplints]

@Lime Coke what did you realise happened in falcon’s wolf game?

[falcon45ca]

TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.

Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?

It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.

Oh, you're playing now? Excellent


What's your take on Porscha & fingers?

Eh, I don't like this. NAA has given a lot of thoughts on you. Are some of them kinda reachy? Sure, but he gave reasons for him pushing you. Pretending like he hasn't and only just now started "playing" is pretty meh.

Kinda starting to think NAA might be on to something.

Falcon is Maf, falcon is maf cuz he talks about vegetables, falcon is maf voting the biggest wagon, falcon is maf cuz he's still on the wagon, falcon is Maf cuz 3 others soft defended him, falcon is maf cuz nook scum reads him....




Sure it's lots of thoughts, but it's very low quality reads. Or do you disagree? Do you think they are quality, genuine reads?



I mean, NAA gave more insight into his one Mac read than all of his reads on my slot combined

Eh, I agree some are pretty iffy, but if you were frozen on an early wagon that dispersed naturally, that isn't a good look. I don't remember any early wagons so I can't say how you felt in the moment, but that one I thought was a pretty good comment.

More important though it seems you're pretty bothered by these low quality reads, and wished they didn't exist at all. Now, town definitely can get annoyed by this sort of behavior, but what I need to figure out is if you're annoyed town or if you're mafia feeling like you're caught for the wrong reasons.

I'm never gonna look favorably on low quality reads from high quality players...do you?

[fingersplints]

I don’t have a read on MR right now for me so I’d guess he’d fall in the PoE

[Lime Coke]

@Lime Coke what did you realise happened in falcon’s wolf game?

In Fleabag mafia he kept a static vote on one player through the whole game and not much else. He had a vote on Ender to start the game and didn't change it for a good while and kept calling Ender wolf.

He's moved his vote a few times after that, probably because NAA is tunneling him.

There's a chance I'm not believing in him being scum as I was typing that...

[Porscha]

TBH I can see either worlds of Falcon or NAA being mafia just based on how they're playing around each other.

Probably not paired but at least 1 in Falcon or NAA.

How do you feel about the day 1 vote where you and NAA both voted falcon. Would you do it again? Would NAA voting with you make you feel uneasy? Did you put initial vote on falcon or did NAA?

NAA's read had nothing to do with my decision, Nanook's read actually influenced it which I looked at something that I realized happened in a wolf game that Falcon did, so I voted him then.

I'm lazy and on mobile at work, can you remind me of nanook position that influenced you pls

[Porscha]

Oh nvm I think you just mentioned it

[Lime Coke]

I don't think radishes is aligned with Sean or falcon so I don't want to vote him

Vote Sean, vote falcon, profit

Why Falcon mafia?

I'm voting Seanzie technically but I'm just interested in why Falcon mafia.

Gamestate, his approach, the lines he's pushed, how he's interacted with the thread, all make him >rand mafia

@Porscha

This was what influenced me to rethink my Falcon read.

[Lime Coke]

I was actually sort of hoping that if Mac was town he'd have a clear cut read on Falcon but his read on him is hedgy as fuck.

[Porscha]

I don't think radishes is aligned with Sean or falcon so I don't want to vote him

Vote Sean, vote falcon, profit

Why Falcon mafia?

I'm voting Seanzie technically but I'm just interested in why Falcon mafia.

Gamestate, his approach, the lines he's pushed, how he's interacted with the thread, all make him >rand mafia

@Porscha

This was what influenced me to rethink my Falcon read.

Yeah if I was maf I'd see nanook as easy kill n1 for sussing me like that but idk if that's too obvious a choice for falcon/ mac wolf team

[Porscha]

I don't think radishes is aligned with Sean or falcon so I don't want to vote him

Vote Sean, vote falcon, profit

Why Falcon mafia?

I'm voting Seanzie technically but I'm just interested in why Falcon mafia.

Gamestate, his approach, the lines he's pushed, how he's interacted with the thread, all make him >rand mafia

@Porscha

This was what influenced me to rethink my Falcon read.

Yeah if I was maf I'd see nanook as easy kill n1 for sussing me like that but idk if that's too obvious a choice for falcon/ mac wolf team

[fingersplints]

I was actually sort of hoping that if Mac was town he'd have a clear cut read on Falcon but his read on him is hedgy as fuck.

Why do you say it’s “hedgey as fuck”
Seems pretty clear to me

Despite me thinking Falcon is not mafia, I wouldn't object too violently to him being wagoned today.

[Lime Coke]

I was actually sort of hoping that if Mac was town he'd have a clear cut read on Falcon but his read on him is hedgy as fuck.

Why do you say it’s “hedgey as fuck”
Seems pretty clear to me

Despite me thinking Falcon is not mafia, I wouldn't object too violently to him being wagoned today.

If you townread someone, wouldn't you be against wagoning them?

[fingersplints]

Depends on how strongly you town read them I suppose.
There are times when I have completely defended someone because I felt so sure of their towniness, other times it’s just a slight town lean so I’m not going to stick my neck out there for them.

[Master Radishes]

I too have read back and solved the game, but I'm gonna hold my opinions until game's end to make it fair.

Lol why are you starting the game day low key insulting me?

It wasn't meant to be insulting.

Wow that's it for MR. Okay I guess.

Yeah.

[Master Radishes]

Maybe I'll come play tomorrow.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm more convinced that ever that Falcon is mafia.

[NotAnAxehole]

@MacDougall why are you voting obv!town MR?

[EnderWiggin]

Also, Ender, I can't read you anyways dude.

Best to leave it to someone else.

Not to take the blame off me FYI, just leave me less annoyed with myself for fucking up.

Mmmm.

I'm gonna re-read it a little but I'm actually thinking this might be LC wolf here.

LC has been scared of me as wolf in the past because I've grasped his meta outside his angry play pretty well. This feels like him grasping a chance to push against me while someone else has the blame for the reasons when I flip town.

I'm busy atm and will need to leave soon but that is definitely a possibility. (Mac not paired in that case.)

I've townread you pretty strongly every game when you were a wolf.

So are you really not considering this when looking at that?

I was also your "Most confident townread" on day 1 here too.

Yet you've shown doubt about your townread before when it feels like winds are blowing against me. You never commit to being my biggest detractor, and "sheeping Mac" is a great excuse for it.

That being said, I'm not 100% sure this does fit your meta, it was just a thought when seeing you play metronome with your stance.

This wouldn't be happening if I didn't misclear you about 3 games by now, as I was putting in effort to actually read you.

Meh. I could be wrong. Just felt really fucking weird when you ended last day with "Ender is town" as your "Most confident read" and then flipped it on me the moment someone big came at me.

[falcon45ca]

I mean, we've got NAA calling MR obv town, and somehow there are player's who are buying this bullshit?




His reads aren't real

[MacDougall]

Lol I just realised this is a heist and not mountainous.

[MacDougall]

I mean, we've got NAA calling MR obv town, and somehow there are player's who are buying this bullshit?




His reads aren't real

Mmm the only problem with that is that NAA has a condition that means often he does these kinds of things when town.

[Lime Coke]

Wait....

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall why are you voting obv!town MR?

MR is literally and unequivocally the scummiest player in this game on play and nowhere near obvious town status.

@Master Radishes chime in here plz.

[EnderWiggin]

Current votes for the record:

Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)

No other votes

Also MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.

In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.

If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.

So you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.

Eh, I don't really agree with this. Before Falcon was in the tie, MR was calling for a rand (like when LC asked if he should vote me, MR encouraged it to make tiezilla happen), and then Falcon ended up joining the mix because Ender and LC both jumped on me simultaneously, putting me ahead, and then LC moved to Falcon to 4-way-tie it. If MR would have THEN moved to Falcon, breaking the tie after having rescinded his strong scumread on Falcon, that would have been super sus.

MR put Falcon in the mix in the first place I thought. If he hadn't started that wagon at EOD it wouldn't have existed.

Granted it could have been a case of not expecting it to get out of hand but still, feels unpartnered to me.

[EnderWiggin]

Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.

And I won't even feel bad if you're town.

Seems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.

Is a pattern necessary for you to be Maf? I don't think so.



You did have a nice pun to start this RD, but I need more than awesome jokes from you plz

The point was that while I did miss most of D1, I literally made an effort to actually show up at D2 and give a crap just to get accosted right out the gate.

Also just gonna throw this in, but if it felt like I was attacking you directly that was not the intention, sorry. Was more a throwaway about the state of inactivity in the game from D1 and annoyance at that rather than at you specifically.

[Lime Coke]

Now I don't know...

[EnderWiggin]

Town lean Sean, MR.

Porscha is pretty null atm


POE NAA, Mac, Ender, LC

Idk if it's a good read but the way this reads list feels disjointed from like, anyone else with patchwork connection of reads feels actually better from Falc than D1 felt.

[EnderWiggin]

I can't believe my boy wilgy has been lost so early he was only strong town read ;(

uuuuh I still don't have a reason to not really still read MR maf like I did day 1

hate the way NAA is playing on his reads

I felt nanook was a decent town read so I'm not surprised they died n1

if mafia are smart they will keep me around b/c I'm bad at this game and probably won't make strong pushes

also can't believe dunya said with cucumber dead their hopes of innuendos goes out the door like ... damn that hurts me (a sweet, innocent eggplant) T.T

Unnecessary over-explainy wolf read?

[EnderWiggin]

Welp, looks like I gotta self près onto enderwagon

Why did you feel the need to self pres less than 12 hours into the game NAA?

[EnderWiggin]

Into the day phase*