Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

[Marmot]

Solo vote on TH, until Snow Dog buried his extra votes with 10 minutes to go.


So Mp, where is it where you've given someone a warning vote in this game? Can you show me where? That vote on TH appears to me to be the first time you've gone so "rogue" to put someone on blast.


You know what else I noticed MP? The lynches you did lead, they all netted baddies. You were dead on.

Now, this kind of fuck up? Do you think you're really that unlucky that you just happened to be involved in this unfortunate circumstance?

I don't think you understand the notion of a warning vote. If he votes someone early on (or any time for that matter) to get a reaction, that is a warning vote, or a pressure vote. All of these votes are day end votes that he placed on players he wants to lynch, some of which had changed at one point or another.

[zeek]

Would a player even need any votes for the lynch to be switched to them?

[Chris]

And if it just a switch that was needed, Hedgie had a vote. Why not switch it to her?

Because she's either:

A: A member of the recruited team (not)
B: A civvie role that they're very interested in recruiting, not killing. (haven't the baddie teams been trying to incriminate her for a while now?)

And I won't die if I'm lynched, so the next best thing is a civ that you can whip up a quick case on.

MP- "Oh, there, TH said something mildly suspicious. Let's put a vote there 30 minutes before the poll ends."



*TH is lynched and civ*

MP -"I noes!! How'd that happen?? You're going down for this Bass!"





You're not innocent in this MP.



LINKI @ MM: Yes I do think you and MP are on the same team. I've been saying that.

And the vote on TH was not a warning vote put on him early. It was a vote put on him with 30 minutes till the poll closed, and he got lynch switched.

but it's pointless to have this conversation with you since your job is to just muddle things up with disinformation. I've played an outted baddie before...


LINI @ zeek: I tried to ask that. It never got answered, and then LC said I asked too many questions of the hosts, so I didn't push it, and instead am just operating under the assumption that it works that way until I'm told by the hosts otherwise.

[keys56000000000]

Anyway, even if he didn't mean this game, it's still the first time he's done it in this game. And the first time he votes outside of the norm, it gets switched?

VERY coincidental then...

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that whoever switched the lynch wanted MP to look bad.

You should check out these things called conspiracy theories. You'd like conspiracy theories. Did you know that when man landed on the moon back in 1969, the footage they took on the moon showed no stars in the sky? How freaky is that, right? It's obviously damning evidence that the whole thing was faked in a studio, I don't know why people can't see that.

linki: Or they switched it to TH because TH was much more of an active civilian (and thus, threatening) than Hedgeowl? FFS Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?

[Marmot]

Would a player even need any votes for the lynch to be switched to them?

It's usually the case, but not guaranteed.

If that is the case, someone had to be online to switch the lynch, which narrows the choices down. As Chris pointed out, TH did not have any votes until 30 minutes left.

[Marmot]

LINKI @ MM: Yes I do think you and MP are on the same team. I've been saying that.

Remember when he got me lynched? And remember when he got Roxy lynched?

I don't understand how he could have been on both of our teams, and get us both lynched.

[Marmot]

Anyway, even if he didn't mean this game, it's still the first time he's done it in this game. And the first time he votes outside of the norm, it gets switched?

VERY coincidental then...

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that whoever switched the lynch wanted MP to look bad.

You should check out these things called conspiracy theories. You'd like conspiracy theories. Did you know that when man landed on the moon back in 1969, the footage they took on the moon showed no stars in the sky? How freaky is that, right? It's obviously damning evidence that the whole thing was faked in a studio, I don't know why people can't see that.

linki: Or they switched it to TH because TH was much more of an active civilian (and thus, threatening) than Hedgeowl? FFS Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?

TH was not active, he was under the radar. I think MP's suspicion of him was justified, as was mine. There wasn't enough to warrant a lynch, but who would have thought he would've taken a lynch anyway.

[Chris]

Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?

So my conclusion that the recruiter wouldn't want to lynch Hedgie because they want to recruit her is a "downright ignorant conclusion"?

That's a pretty strong statement keys.

Why is it that every single theory I put out, you refute? Quite aggressively I might add?



LINKI @ MM: But why even put a vote on him like that? Jesus, if it's a warning vote, 30 minutes before the poll ends, for a guy who hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours, how is he going to see it when the poll goes away at the end of every lynch.

"Oh yeah, by the way TH, MP voted for you"

It just doesn't add up.

[Chris]

If MP is not recruited when lynched or at the end of the game, I'll forever quit mafia.

Quote this to use if I'm wrong, and I ever try to play mafia again.

[Marmot]

Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?

So my conclusion that the recruiter wouldn't want to lynch Hedgie because they want to recruit her is a "downright ignorant conclusion"?

That's a pretty strong statement keys.

Why is it that every single theory I put out, you refute? Quite aggressively I might add?



LINKI @ MM: But why even put a vote on him like that? Jesus, if it's a warning vote, 30 minutes before the poll ends, for a guy who hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours, how is he going to see it when the poll goes away at the end of every lynch.

"Oh yeah, by the way TH, MP voted for you"

It just doesn't add up.

Actually, that's the EXACT reason I'll bet MP put a vote on him. If TH hasn't been on much, and popped in to see the lynch tally, he'll see 2 votes on himself. That will make him realize "Oh shit, I probably have to address something". Otherwise, TH might not notice that we've been talking about him if he had just skimmed through.

I did the same thing to zeek on Day 2 I think.

Linki: well we could always try lynching him for proof. He'll come back anyway right? I know you'll love this idea...

[zeek]

This is all nonsense. We can put out scenarios till the cows come home but its all a lot of conjecture. I put a sole vote on Dom earlier in the game, if the switch had happened then I'd be in the same situation as MP and SD.

Why has nobody considered that this switch could have been a prize? I never heard back from the hosts about the poetry contest.

[Chris]

I'm not sure if that's a repeated thing, or one time use.

But sure, he can't hide if he's recruited if he's lynched.

But I know you'll just backtrack out of this idea... Because he's the Doctor, and in addition to every other power he's got, he's unrecruitable. Too bad it doesn't say that anywhere...

And if MP was as obvious as everyone says he was, why WOULDN'T the recruiter recruit him?


@ zeek, but it didn't. If it had, you'd be getting looked at too.

[zeek]

Could still be a prize. Easily.

Would you prefer they both put "Voting Turnip, for *reasons*" like you have before?

I really doubt the Doctor can be recruited. That'd make it a Super Team. We can't waste a lynch for such poor reasons.

[Marmot]

This is all nonsense. We can put out scenarios till the cows come home but its all a lot of conjecture. I put a sole vote on Dom earlier in the game, if the switch had happened then I'd be in the same situation as MP and SD.

Why has nobody considered that this switch could have been a prize? I never heard back from the hosts about the poetry contest.

I made a submission, but I didn't win. I was under the impression somebody won though.

[Hedgeowl]

This is all nonsense. We can put out scenarios till the cows come home but its all a lot of conjecture. I put a sole vote on Dom earlier in the game, if the switch had happened then I'd be in the same situation as MP and SD.

Why has nobody considered that this switch could have been a prize? I never heard back from the hosts about the poetry contest.

I made a submission, but I didn't win. I was under the impression somebody won though.

I didnt win either. ya'll are still chatty at night, geez. I have pages to catch up on. Slow the frick down already.

[S~V~S]

If MP is not recruited when lynched or at the end of the game, I'll forever quit mafia.

Quote this to use if I'm wrong, and I ever try to play mafia again.

Are you going to say the same thing about me? I could use a new sig :P

[Marmot]

If MP is not recruited when lynched or at the end of the game, I'll forever quit mafia.

Quote this to use if I'm wrong, and I ever try to play mafia again.

Are you going to say the same thing about me? I could use a new sig :P

You can't be recruited if you're the recruiter though.

[S~V~S]

You're no fun.

I am not the recruiter, though. Just like I am not recruited.

[Marmot]

You're no fun.

I am not the recruiter, though. Just like I am not recruited.

I'm just having fun with Chris' accusations there.

[Hedgeowl]

Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?

So my conclusion that the recruiter wouldn't want to lynch Hedgie because they want to recruit her is a "downright ignorant conclusion"?

That's a pretty strong statement keys.

Why is it that every single theory I put out, you refute? Quite aggressively I might add?



LINKI @ MM: But why even put a vote on him like that? Jesus, if it's a warning vote, 30 minutes before the poll ends, for a guy who hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours, how is he going to see it when the poll goes away at the end of every lynch.

"Oh yeah, by the way TH, MP voted for you"

It just doesn't add up.

Actually the point that seems to have been overlooked is that I didnt have any votes. I was the lone vote on Dfaraday.

Discuss

[Chris]

Oh shit Hedgie. I'm sorry, you're right.

So then Faraday, whom keys went after early avoided the switch for some reason.

Thank you for clearing that up.

[Chris]

*earlier

[Hedgeowl]

Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?

So my conclusion that the recruiter wouldn't want to lynch Hedgie because they want to recruit her is a "downright ignorant conclusion"?

That's a pretty strong statement keys.

Why is it that every single theory I put out, you refute? Quite aggressively I might add?



LINKI @ MM: But why even put a vote on him like that? Jesus, if it's a warning vote, 30 minutes before the poll ends, for a guy who hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours, how is he going to see it when the poll goes away at the end of every lynch.

"Oh yeah, by the way TH, MP voted for you"

It just doesn't add up.

Actually, that's the EXACT reason I'll bet MP put a vote on him. If TH hasn't been on much, and popped in to see the lynch tally, he'll see 2 votes on himself. That will make him realize "Oh shit, I probably have to address something". Otherwise, TH might not notice that we've been talking about him if he had just skimmed through.

I did the same thing to zeek on Day 2 I think.

Linki: well we could always try lynching him for proof. He'll come back anyway right? I knuow you'll love this idea...

I completely agree. This happens all the time. People often vote for someone else if its obvious who is getting lynched.

Chris, do you remember in SFU when lorab was lynched with one vote, because the baddies ended the day early and used a switch? They did it at the time to make it look like I was lying about my role. There are always crazy game mechanics at play is what I mean and speculation only takes us so far.

Linki no problem, i was confused catching up until i checked the poll.

[DFaraday]

Everyone has been so intense this game, my goodness.

Chris, you made note that I still had a vote, but it wasn't switched to me. I'm guessing it's because the baddies know I keep taking heat, and figured I'd be a viable lynch candidate in the future, whereas TH really wasn't. Either that or they just had to pick someone and went with TH.

[Snow Dog]

Chris - I think MP switched because MM said about his night action, not that the powers were redirected.

Snowy - We can't be sure MM wasn't recruited by the Master. Do you think the Great Intelligence is a poss secret role? Weeping Angel is still a possibility too I suppose.

All possibilities, but my suggestion has a certain neatness i think.

[thellama73]

Everyone has been so intense this game, my goodness.

Not me.

[Marmot]

Everyone has been so intense this game, my goodness.

Not me.

I read all your posts, and you are 80% correct.

[Long Con]

I see the intensity from some sources, but my own intensity level has been low in this game. I'm just going with the flow of my gut and my head, and trying to stay alive. I'll be shocked as hell if I make it to the end of this game, though.

[keys56000000000]

zeek, aren't you the one who got your panties in a bunch and PMed the Hosts over the me and keys being mean? Funny that you should then post a pic of a pacifier. I like it though... tells me that you might thicken that skin up... The catch is, you've gotta be able to take it too.

Linki

For the record, I don't need pm's form anyone for me to decide that maybe players are being agressive and need to cool off. Even when two players are engaged in some name calling that THEY BOTH ARE OK WITH, (and yes I've seen that happen) it still tends to create a hostile environment for other players not involved in the situation. I, as a player, feel uncomfortable posting in places that feel hostile and I work VERY hard to create a welcoming environment full of fun for ALL my players. (There's a reason I never played on sites like MafiaScum.)

Basically my point is, I ask people to tone it down as a host, if it would have made me feel uncomfortable if I were playing, NOT because someone made me do it.

Now - I have to finish getting ready for work. I wanted to make sure that was CLEARLY understood though before I left the thread again.

I missed this. I don't want to get into any ridiculous drama. Leave me out of it, ok?

[Long Con]

zeek, aren't you the one who got your panties in a bunch and PMed the Hosts over the me and keys being mean? Funny that you should then post a pic of a pacifier. I like it though... tells me that you might thicken that skin up... The catch is, you've gotta be able to take it too.

Linki

For the record, I don't need pm's form anyone for me to decide that maybe players are being agressive and need to cool off. Even when two players are engaged in some name calling that THEY BOTH ARE OK WITH, (and yes I've seen that happen) it still tends to create a hostile environment for other players not involved in the situation. I, as a player, feel uncomfortable posting in places that feel hostile and I work VERY hard to create a welcoming environment full of fun for ALL my players. (There's a reason I never played on sites like MafiaScum.)

Basically my point is, I ask people to tone it down as a host, if it would have made me feel uncomfortable if I were playing, NOT because someone made me do it.

Now - I have to finish getting ready for work. I wanted to make sure that was CLEARLY understood though before I left the thread again.

I missed this. I don't want to get into any ridiculous drama. Leave me out of it, ok?

Heh, yeah, that was awkward to read, given that I knew he was mistakenly remembering zeek being involved in a situation which he wasn't. I prefer a drama-free environment as well, too many people have said someone is being an idiot or whatever for thinking something, only to find out, wow, it was a baddie deception, not their real thoughts. Then it's like, "Oh... sorry then... "

[zeek]

Pretty sure I was dead when things got heated

[juliets]

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[S~V~S]

You have NO IDEA how much I want to rename the Off Topic forum the Seductive Ghoul forum, but I fear the Sock would be displeased~

[Snow Dog]

I will heed zeek's advice and vote Tigus (in the Spotlight)

[Long Con]

I voted for Woman Wept, for all the ladies whose hearts I have broken.

[Gotrees]

I think Elo has been acting strange this whole game. Starting off with a Juliets 1.0 vote, then an Azure vote, then a bunch of votes where she was the sole person voting for Dana, then suddenly she began voting very accurately and with the crowd, (Made, Enrique, MM, Roxy).

Might this shift in voting habits be due to being recruited? I don't know. What I do know is that (1) Elo doesn't appear to be any more active in thread to suggest that she actually has any reason to make these informed votes, and (2) every single vote since the Made vote, she has voted with Blooper, with the exception of one vote. In that vote, Blooper voted for Elo's favorite enemy, Dana. I feel like the recruiter might be recruiting these silent players and using them as pawns or something, I imagine it would be a good way to fly under the radar. I think it's generally being assumed that Elo is good because she survived the early Strax attack, but if my theory is right she was recruited just before the Made vote, and would not have been a baddie at the time of Strax's NK attempt.

I notice that Blooper was posting a few hours ago, but failed to reply to the concerns I mentioned earlier about her. If there really is a connection between Blooper and Elo, there might be one with Epig too (maybe as recruiter?). Although I realize this would definitely need a closer look.

Let me know if I'm insane, it's past 3 in the morning and I need some sleep. For that reason, I also won't be posting the planet summaries up right away, but I'll try to get them done before the poll closes tomorrow. I will mention, though, that Vulcan has made an appearance before. My summary of it can be found here. It had strong Dalek connotations, but now that the Daleks are dead I don't know what that means for us. Personally, I would still avoid it.

You should also be aware that Strax tried to kill Elo, but failed. Hence, she is either a civ or a baddie with protection.

Yeah, I addressed this. I don't think she had been recruited yet when Strax attempted to kill her, so she still turned up good/saved.

[birdwithteeth11]

I will not be here when the night post is due up. I'm going to be out with a few friends. Bea will be taking care of it, but it will be a bit on the late side.

[Gotrees]

Night poll:

Tigus - Under Galatic Heritage in the novels, i.e. protection, the Doctor was stranded here once for all of five minutes before he worked out an escape.

Uranus - Mining of Uranus helped power the Time Destructor created by the Daleks. Some not so nice species like the Ice Warriors went to a moon there to observe a reaction on the surface of the planet.

Woman Wept - Visited by the Doc and Rose once (unseen), the whole planet was also taken by Davros and the Daleks during the Stolen Earth storyline, when they tried to use the Reality Bomb.

Vulcan - Human colony almost taken over by the Daleks. Doctor saved the planet and the Dalek survivors went into the Dalek Asylum.


Tigus sounds safest.

Thanks for doing this, zeek. One thing I'd like to add though: at first glance Tigus looks to be the obvious choice, but I don't think it is. If you look at the guy who tried to get the Doctor stranded there, he was a Time Lord named The Monk. From The Monk's wiki page:

For some time there was speculation that the Monk was actually an earlier incarnation of the Master or the War Chief,

In an alternative timeline, the Monk cooperated alongside the Master, the Rani and Drax to try to destroy the world using a DNA recombinator, turning the human race into a gestalt consciousness which could be used as a weapon to conquer the universe.

That sounds absolutely terrifying. And also very Master-y.

Woman Wept, on the other hand, might be the best option for this vote. In fact, I'm almost sure of it:

According to REF: The Doctor's Lives and Times, the race for Enlightenment began in orbit of Woman Wept.

Enlightenment was a prize offered to a group of Eternals by the White Guardian and Black Guardian in a race. [...] It was claimed to bring anyone's heart's desire to life and Wrack wanted to win so she would never be bored again.

it was revealed that Enlightenment was in fact the ability to choose between good and evil, concepts of which the Eternals had no knowledge. Turlough threw the diamond at the Black Guardian and upon contact with Enlightenment he was consumed by flames from the blinding light of the prize.

So, looks like if Woman Wept goes through, we might get the opportunity to bring somebody back to life, OR to tell the difference "between good and evil."

I imagine the hosts must've put up a bunch of Dalek planets expecting us to go for the non-Dalek, Master-related planet. But now that the Daleks are dead, I don't know what we have to lose. Gonna vote for Woman Wept.

[juliets]

based on Illyria Wazzipi I'm gonna change my vote to Women revealed

[Black Rock]

I voted for Woman Wept.

[Epignosis]

I voted for Woman Wept.

You're singing it wrong.

It's, "No Woman, No Cry."

[Black Rock]

I voted for Woman Wept.

You're singing it wrong.

It's, "No Woman, No Cry."

My mistake, I'll do better next time.

[Marmot]

zeek was mighty upset when I wanted to visit the weeping angels on Night 1...

[zeek]

zeek was mighty upset when I wanted to visit the weeping angels on Night 1...

Because I knew it was the wrong option.

[Long Con]

I'm still interested in knowing what was up with that Azure vote. What happened with that?

[zeek]

I'm still interested in knowing what was up with that Azure vote. What happened with that?

Alzarius won and it did benefit the civs. I can't really be any more specific.

[zeek]

I'm freaking out that you've NK'd me, MM That comment was really random.

[Marmot]

I'm freaking out that you've NK'd me, MM That comment was really random.

I was looking at tonight's poll and the Weeping Women won that's all.

[nijuukyugou]

Shit, I thought the poll ended late like the other nights. Sorry, hosts

[Tangrowth]

Chris, sorry bud if my wording was confusing. What I meant was I have given people "attention" or "warning" votes before in this game (though I have in general before too), the first example of which I can think of was when I voted DFaraday on whatever day that was to get his attention. Though you're right in that I never really kept my vote on those type of votes in the end, because something else always came up, although one could argue I felt way more confident in some votes than others. I've given people warning votes this game several occasions and was suspected for it earlier. The only reason I felt comfortable with my TH 2.0 vote was that I knew (well, I thought I knew) Bass was getting lynched. I could have switched my vote back but the lynch ended quickly and I didn't have particular reason to.

Also, while I have "led" cases against baddies, my track record hasn't really been that great, and my whole argument that MM was bad was pretty much predicated on him being a Dalek and insincere, neither of which were true in retrospect.

But if you still think I'm recruited, by all means, but you'd be wrong. It just feels like deja vu because earlier you were finding any excuse to read my intentions as bad because it fit your preconceived notions about me and now you're doing the same thing to fit the circumstances in which I've been recruited.

I have not been recruited. Since I believe the fact that I have not means I very well could be unable to be recruited, it'll be interesting to see if this will be your last mafia game ever.

Though I hope it's not!