Mountainous Two-Kill Tenner #2 - States in the US [END]

[MacDougall]

That's not to say there aren't good moments too Achro but like, you're obviously a fine player I would expect that.

[Achromatic]

Trying your best is achro ism for not trying to be mean tbh

[Achromatic]

Like note that list wasn't ordered. That wasn't a compliment lol

[Achromatic]

Sorry sabi if you read this but it's like aww. They aren't doing very well but at least they are posting.

[MacDougall]

It's Mac n Sabi, gg.

you are half right

yeah mac would know huh ;p (the half right is mac being wolf)

Forgot to call my votes.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

we are simultaneously sheeping mac vote on sabi while voting wolf partner mac to distance I see

I agree with achro. Sabi and Lucy seem to be the mafia.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

I hate this. thanks

Now let's not pretend Porscha doesn't have something to answer for here either.

[Achromatic]

That's not to say there aren't good moments too Achro but like, you're obviously a fine player I would expect that.

Oh dude I was exhausted it's all good lol. I was shit day 1 I am surprised there are any good moments.

[MacDougall]

Sorry sabi if you read this but it's like aww. They aren't doing very well but at least they are posting.

It's just a strange read to make from a town to a wolf you know... It's not a massive leap of logic for me to read all of your day 1 play as just trying to downplay Sabi as a threat and push the gamestate into non Sabi directions. I mean you literally did that several times overtly.

[MacDougall]

That's not to say there aren't good moments too Achro but like, you're obviously a fine player I would expect that.

Oh dude I was exhausted it's all good lol. I was shit day 1 I am surprised there are any good moments.

I more meant like if I am sitting here confirmation biasing you as a wolf there are posts I am looking at going "jeez that's a good wolf post" not just these ones I am quoting which are really not so good lol.

[Achromatic]

Sorry sabi if you read this but it's like aww. They aren't doing very well but at least they are posting.

It's just a strange read to make from a town to a wolf you know... It's not a massive leap of logic for me to read all of your day 1 play as just trying to downplay Sabi as a threat and push the gamestate into non Sabi directions. I mean you literally did that several times overtly.

Yeah but not every read is meant to be that big of a deal. I am empathetic and I am guessing I just didn't find much to grab onto at that point. I really don't remember but I would have said sometbing substantial either direction if I felt that way.

Also uhh. Sabi wasn't a threat see day 2 lol. Mean maybe but was I wrong?

[Achromatic]

That's not to say there aren't good moments too Achro but like, you're obviously a fine player I would expect that.

Oh dude I was exhausted it's all good lol. I was shit day 1 I am surprised there are any good moments.

I more meant like if I am sitting here confirmation biasing you as a wolf there are posts I am looking at going "jeez that's a good wolf post" not just these ones I am quoting which are really not so good lol.

Were..there good town posts too?

[MacDougall]

Probably too early to do this, but meh.

falcon45ca

Sabiplz

Porscha

lucy
MacDougall
Achromatic

NotAnAxehole

--------------no read------------
Alison
Drwilgy

I know Wilgy has posted, but I can't remember a single one, so for this quicksort, the only place I can confidently put them is with Alison.

I'm not quoting this to disrespect Seanzie, but it's worth noting that Seanzie had Sabi as 2nd top town and Alison as a wolf here ... Falcon might be the other wolf so it's actually possible Seanzie's top two town were wolves. This makes people who pushed Seanzie on day one myself included, kind of justified. Like for me personally when I see someone who is diametrically opposed to my worldview I tend to just assume they're mafia lol.

The interesting part of it all is that Sabi, Falcon, Achro, Porscha and I were ALL voting him ... and Wilgy wasn't lol. Like almost his entire townlist was voting him lol. But not Wilgy, the dude who he had at the bottom here. Why is Sabi voting Seanzie by the end of the day if he is a potential saviour if he's wrong on the rest and they are all voting him? Wouldn't it make more sense for Sabi to shield/pocket him? I need to see how his read on Sabi develops to figure out why Sabi voted him.

All very curious.

[MacDougall]

That's not to say there aren't good moments too Achro but like, you're obviously a fine player I would expect that.

Oh dude I was exhausted it's all good lol. I was shit day 1 I am surprised there are any good moments.

I more meant like if I am sitting here confirmation biasing you as a wolf there are posts I am looking at going "jeez that's a good wolf post" not just these ones I am quoting which are really not so good lol.

Were..there good town posts too?

Yeah I thought your approach to Lucy was quite pro town and actually caused Lucy to get townier. Obviously the end result wasn't so good. It's also pretty strange teammate play to sort of vote Sabi because Lucy was shielding them. It's like ... good town play but INSANELY good maybe too good wolf play?

[MacDougall]

Sorry sabi if you read this but it's like aww. They aren't doing very well but at least they are posting.

It's just a strange read to make from a town to a wolf you know... It's not a massive leap of logic for me to read all of your day 1 play as just trying to downplay Sabi as a threat and push the gamestate into non Sabi directions. I mean you literally did that several times overtly.

Yeah but not every read is meant to be that big of a deal. I am empathetic and I am guessing I just didn't find much to grab onto at that point. I really don't remember but I would have said sometbing substantial either direction if I felt that way.

Also uhh. Sabi wasn't a threat see day 2 lol. Mean maybe but was I wrong?

That's pretty disingenuous. Sabi was still 50% of the wolf team. Suggesting they weren't a threat because they died d2 to justify turning a blind eye to their wolfiness day 1 is a pretty poor argument.

[Porscha]

It's Mac n Sabi, gg.

you are half right

yeah mac would know huh ;p (the half right is mac being wolf)

Forgot to call my votes.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

we are simultaneously sheeping mac vote on sabi while voting wolf partner mac to distance I see

I agree with achro. Sabi and Lucy seem to be the mafia.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

I hate this. thanks

Now let's not pretend Porscha doesn't have something to answer for here either.

I will not apologize for throwing tomatoes at the wall to see if something would stick. I was making other accusations at the same time

[MacDougall]

I didn't say apologise. No need to get upset I'm just trying to leave no stone unturned.

[Porscha]

I didn't say apologise. No need to get upset I'm just trying to leave no stone unturned.

I am not upset it was meant to be read in a more facetious tone

[Porscha]

but now that I read that back that came off as pretty bitchy yeah my bad lmao I should have added something to make that it wasn't serious obvious

[MacDougall]

I think maybe Porscha is town for the same reason Falcon is town. Seem more active compared to past games but unlike Falcon Porscha is solving. I'm more confident that Porscha might be town more than Falcon.

Achro seems off tho.

Posted too early. Achro is trying too hard to sheep vs leading this early into the game. Not enough ego posting.

I think his posts implicitly has enough ego and idk.............................. I don't think he feels too sheep considering his IRL stuff going on

but if it's achro/mac power wolf power couple, then consider me entertained

Would their sex tape be hot tho?

they're both doms so unsure of how that would work out. but I see potential

i kinda wanna clear achro off this

[MacDougall]

I don't think Falcon is it anymore. He's a lot more active and doesn't seem burnt out like in draft.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

stumbled over this one again... still not liking it

[MacDougall]

Sean, I can't read him.

Mac, has not been towny so he's on the lower side of null atm.

I can do the first part for you. just hold my hand

ok question: if you weren't a part of mac's 2-man solve, would you still find his play nontown? do you think his argument with lucy on her play has merit?

I would still find his play non town esp if he voted someone who didn't enter the thread.

Yea I realize I'm a hypocrite doing that for Alison.

But his argument about lucy reads show some merit but I hate how he did it in a skeevy way.

Anyway walk me through Sean

The way Sabi is obsessed with getting Porscha to articulate her suspicion of Seanzie simply clears her. Especially given it produced.

Yeah, Porscha's wolf.

[MacDougall]

I would have this game easily solved if we had the Modbot tools to check on votecount at certain points lol.

[MacDougall]

I'm rethinking if I tr Falcon too early. He's frozen

This is an ok look for the Falc

[MacDougall]

I changed from Wilgz to Sean. Idk Mac seemed convincing

[MacDougall]

What's your case on Mac. I like Mac today.

What do you like about him?

Him saying that Sean would exactly open wolf like that

This is also good looking for Falcon.

[MacDougall]

Sean wasmt committed to going toe to toe with Mac

Sabi is actually trying to convince Falcon to vote for Seanzie at this point by utilising my incorrect arguments.

[Porscha]

I have unvoted I am intrigued

[MacDougall]

Catching up :

Not a huge fan of the tone of the game being super laid back and fun to serious and clinical. Not really what I signed up for but whatever I digress.

Alison entering the game, she felt agenda driven. Don't really like the shots made at me. I do have pretty accurate reads, Mac can attest to that so like don't insult me.

Achro seems off and I don't like his woo kill me I suck so bad shtick at all. Achro isn't this feeble and pedestrian.

Naa looks good. I have that gut read on that slot for the last two games so I'm going with it.

Porscha seems off when pressure was applied to her. She didn't like try to pocket people like she did in previous game so idk how to take that. But I don't like her treatment on the Alison slot at all so maybe equity?

Mac sometimes feels town with his passion with his fight with alison but I have seen wolf Mac do the same theater and act before.

Lucy I still can't fucking read for the life of me even if I try. Ask me by d3.

I think there's only one wolf in mac/alison.

The only two players that she leaves out of this solve are Wilgy and Falcon... so I'm inclined to just assume the wolf is between them.

[MacDougall]

One thing that's quite odd is that apparently Sabi had voted Wilgy cuz they unvoted Wilgy in order to vote for Seanzie at the end of the day. But they said essentially nothing about Wilgy the entire day and I can't even find where they called out the Wilgy vote they moved from.

[MacDougall]

Reread some.

Bit feeling as confident in Alison/mac

Voting Wilgz (literally said nothing) and lucy (really don't like last night posting) (I'm sorry)

Oh here is the call out. First mention I think of Wilgy in the entire day and dropped it almost immediately to vote seanzie instead.

[MacDougall]

We all agree this contains mafia right?

Voters: Alison, Achromatic, MacDougall, lucy, Porscha

Actually this is almost certainly true. If Wilgy is town then mafia are just parking on him for a free kill. If Wilgy is mafia he is very likely being bussed.

not my boy wilgy

I just wish he had like a single post relating to the game so I could TR them

cuz the first time I ever played with them I caught them wolfing in a mountainous by avoiding game discussion. sadge

Yuck

Here be weird shit...

[MacDougall]

I've read the people voting me with a ctl F on my name.

The only one that feels like they may be picking the low hanging fruit is Porscha.

NAA/Sabi don't follow a pattern similar.

Here's Wilgy sussing Porscha for voting him while defending Sabi for same.

[MacDougall]

Falcon voting me without engaging sucks
Lucy not doing anything that sounds genuine sucks
Wilgy coming in and being like wtf is based tbh

Also the whole he had like a million votes earlier and one of them was lucy helps

More Achro being a weird pest lol.

[falcon45ca]

falcon give yourself a chance here and tell me why you think it's achro

I'm town, you're my top town, and I find Wilgy a tad townier than the rest.


That just leaves a POE of Mac & Achro, and I've been getting pocket pings off Achro.


Like, when I joined Alison & Lucy's wagon...and he's TR me the next RD...why? There should've been, IMO, at least some suspicion that I was Maf and joined the wagons to appear cooperative with townies

[MacDougall]

Yeah game kind of left me behind.

Not feeling Mac Alison or porscha Elim today.

Can I interest you in lucy falcon

Achro and Sabi orchestrated the Seanzie/Lucy wagons in the absence of other players. Both worked towards that outcome. They were both also hard defending me from Falcon. Going hard for the pocket in near lockstep.

[falcon45ca]

Wilgy is difficult...I don't find him towny or overly scummy.



I find Wilgy only slightly more town than Mac

[MacDougall]

Yeah game kind of left me behind.

Not feeling Mac Alison or porscha Elim today.

Can I interest you in lucy falcon

Lucy is...odd. For sure, I don't know if it's a posting style thing, or something different, but I also find your reasonings i asked you about earlier to be....less than ideal.



BUT!



I am finding you as town now, so in the spirit of co-operation

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

[VOTE: Sean] aubergine

[MacDougall]

@falcon45ca why am in your POE exactly?

[falcon45ca]

Archo tho...I've just had a sense all game that they have a "Oh, what do you think?" "That's interesting!" "Yeah, could be!" kinda attitude

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca why am in your POE exactly?

You're typically much better at reading me, the NKs make sense from you, and pushing my lynch for a hammer this RD? I'm an easy mislynch, as you know

[MacDougall]

@falcon45ca in the post I quoted above you said you found Achro as town and that was why you decided to just sheep his lucy push. This is pretty contradictory to the notion that you found him pockety. And I can only assume your current arguments towards him are talking about stuff prior to that moment. Show me some of the posts he made that made you feel like he was pocketing you?

[falcon45ca]

Yeah game kind of left me behind.

Not feeling Mac Alison or porscha Elim today.

Can I interest you in lucy falcon

Lucy is...odd. For sure, I don't know if it's a posting style thing, or something different, but I also find your reasonings i asked you about earlier to be....less than ideal.



BUT!



I am finding you as town now, so in the spirit of co-operation

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

[VOTE: Sean] aubergine

My reads change as the game develops

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca in the post I quoted above you said you found Achro as town and that was why you decided to just sheep his lucy push. This is pretty contradictory to the notion that you found him pockety. And I can only assume your current arguments towards him are talking about stuff prior to that moment. Show me some of the posts he made that made you feel like he was pocketing you?

I've already stated that the pocket vibes came afterwards, don't be cheeky

[MacDougall]

@falcon45ca why am in your POE exactly?

You're typically much better at reading me, the NKs make sense from you, and pushing my lynch for a hammer this RD? I'm an easy mislynch, as you know

How do the NKs make sense from me? Both of them were townreading me. NAA specifically said he was gonna take me to f3. I was Alison's top town.

Also no I haven't, I've been blocking the hammer.

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca in the post I quoted above you said you found Achro as town and that was why you decided to just sheep his lucy push. This is pretty contradictory to the notion that you found him pockety. And I can only assume your current arguments towards him are talking about stuff prior to that moment. Show me some of the posts he made that made you feel like he was pocketing you?

I'm tipsy and on mobile, so I can tomorrow.



Or! You could take a peek and see for yourself.

[MacDougall]

@falcon45ca in the post I quoted above you said you found Achro as town and that was why you decided to just sheep his lucy push. This is pretty contradictory to the notion that you found him pockety. And I can only assume your current arguments towards him are talking about stuff prior to that moment. Show me some of the posts he made that made you feel like he was pocketing you?

I've already stated that the pocket vibes came afterwards, don't be cheeky

The pocket vibes from achro came after day 1?

As in... on the day that pretty much didn't occur at all because Sabi self hammered and Achro made like 2 posts?

Or today?

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca why am in your POE exactly?

You're typically much better at reading me, the NKs make sense from you, and pushing my lynch for a hammer this RD? I'm an easy mislynch, as you know

How do the NKs make sense from me? Both of them were townreading me. NAA specifically said he was gonna take me to f3. I was Alison's top town.

Also no I haven't, I've been blocking the hammer.

I think I recall a post of yours earlier about just yeeting me this RD and getting it over with, but perhaps I'm mistaken.


Maf kill town who TR them all the time, and Alison given enough time certainly is a threat to Maf Mac.



Why is my sus of your slot so implausible?

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

Falcon was a good lad and helped me out. Find it hard to believe sabi actually sheeped mac who does that tbh.

I take it you simply mean this post?

[MacDougall]

@falcon45ca why am in your POE exactly?

You're typically much better at reading me, the NKs make sense from you, and pushing my lynch for a hammer this RD? I'm an easy mislynch, as you know

How do the NKs make sense from me? Both of them were townreading me. NAA specifically said he was gonna take me to f3. I was Alison's top town.

Also no I haven't, I've been blocking the hammer.

I think I recall a post of yours earlier about just yeeting me this RD and getting it over with, but perhaps I'm mistaken.


Maf kill town who TR them all the time, and Alison given enough time certainly is a threat to Maf Mac.



Why is my sus of your slot so implausible?

I didn't say it was implausible. I just wanted you to articulate why so I could check that you had solid reasoning.

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca in the post I quoted above you said you found Achro as town and that was why you decided to just sheep his lucy push. This is pretty contradictory to the notion that you found him pockety. And I can only assume your current arguments towards him are talking about stuff prior to that moment. Show me some of the posts he made that made you feel like he was pocketing you?

I've already stated that the pocket vibes came afterwards, don't be cheeky

The pocket vibes from achro came after day 1?

As in... on the day that pretty much didn't occur at all because Sabi self hammered and Achro made like 2 posts?

Or today?

Archo had a post on the short RD about me being town, being a good guy helping, someone (I can't remember) was sussing my EOD votes

[MacDougall]

@falcon45ca in the post I quoted above you said you found Achro as town and that was why you decided to just sheep his lucy push. This is pretty contradictory to the notion that you found him pockety. And I can only assume your current arguments towards him are talking about stuff prior to that moment. Show me some of the posts he made that made you feel like he was pocketing you?

I've already stated that the pocket vibes came afterwards, don't be cheeky

The pocket vibes from achro came after day 1?

As in... on the day that pretty much didn't occur at all because Sabi self hammered and Achro made like 2 posts?

Or today?

Archo had a post on the short RD about me being town, being a good guy helping, someone (I can't remember) was sussing my EOD votes

Yeah it's that post I quoted. Fair enough...