Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

[Tangrowth]

I might have ragequitted a little back there, my apologies.


I think I might give DF a bye for his role hint. No one has come forth to contest it, so unless he knows whom The Odd was, or is gambling that he knows whom The Odd was (I certainly don't recall anyone else hinting at it, but I'm not a show-watcher), he might very well be The Odd.

Any thoughts on Hedgeowl and Gotrees? I'm curious to know if anyone can vouch for Dom. I'm considering a Hedgeowl vote.

I highly doubt Hedgeowl is bad and I extremely doubt Gotrees is bad.

Definitely won't vote either today.

Why has no one given me ANY thoughts on Blooper, despite me asking?

[Tangrowth]

HOLD ON.

I just thought of something.

keys, you said splints has been available to replace back in this whole game, right?

[keys56000000000]

Blooper is Nijuu? What's there to say about him? There are times I'm convinced he's bailed, but then he comes back and makes a post that gives an indication that he is following at least on some basic level. So idk.

MP, why so trusting of Gotrees and Hedgeowl?

linki, yes she has been ready to sub in.

[zeek]

She died N3, I died N4 However, MM may have been recruited by the Master.

[Tangrowth]

Blooper is Nijuu? What's there to say about him? There are times I'm convinced he's bailed, but then he comes back and makes a post that gives an indication that he is following at least on some basic level. So idk.

MP, why so trusting of Gotrees and Hedgeowl?

linki, yes she has been ready to sub in.

Blooper is Nijuu, yes, sorry, it's due to her avatar that I call her that. She has been the definition of under the radar this game. Perfect playstyle for The Master, right?

Similar reasons that I trust you for Gotrees, and for Hedgeowl I have her pegged with a confidence a bit less than Daisy and Dana... essentially, she could be bad, but let's just say I'd shit my pants if she were Cyber or The Master. I just don't see it.

Interesting...

[Tangrowth]

Okay, here's my theory.

Splints was the secret recruiter. Turns out she died N3. She recruited Roxy (they're really close, why wouldn't she?) and she possibly recruited MM, but let's assume she didn't. Let's assume, because she died N3, that she only had one chance to recruit before then. Probably a fair assumption.

Therefore, MM was "recruited" by The Master. I know the wording seems odd, but that would explain him being "recruited"; it's because he was "found". It also explains why, while he was alive, he didn't seem to demonstrate any real knowledge about the secret team, and seemed to just be trolling.

Is it not possible that the recruiter isn't influencing beyond Roxy and POSSIBLY MM as well because the recruiter is splints?

I don't have any role assigned to her. I think this might actually be true.

[Snow Dog]

MP. Ask for your money back.

[Tangrowth]

MP. Ask for your money back.

I don't understand what this means.

Do you have thoughts on today's lynch/The Master? Dom, Blooper, DF, or someone else; what do you think?

I still think you're Cyber, but given Bass was unrecruited and my theory about the recruiter being dead, I don't really care to lynch you today to be honest.

[Snow Dog]

MP. Ask for your money back.

I don't understand what this means.

Do you have thoughts on today's lynch/The Master? Dom, Blooper, DF, or someone else; what do you think?

I still think you're Cyber, but given Bass was unrecruited and my theory about the recruiter being dead, I don't really care to lynch you today to be honest.

It means those acting lessons were a total waste of money.

[Tangrowth]

Okay, fine, troll away. I don't care for your input then.

[Snow Dog]

Okay, fine, troll away. I don't care for your input then.

And the truth is you actually don't.

[Tangrowth]

Seems the outed disinterested baddie is outed and disinterested.

You could at least make your posts more interesting, Snowy, by adding literally back into them. I liked that. :P

[zeek]

Okay, fine, troll away. I don't care for your input then.

And the truth is you actually don't.

Why do you think MP is recruited?

[Snow Dog]

I'd vote Bass if he were here...


linki I liked it to.

[Tangrowth]

He's been spouting that nonsense for days now; I haven't seen a real reason, so it'd be nice to get one so that I can adequately address it instead of being the target of passive-aggressive accusations.

[Chris]

I find it difficult to believe that the secret recruiting role would be able to be killed so easily...

[Chris]

Did anyone ever notice that no one has suspected keys of being bad... like ever?

[Tangrowth]

I find it difficult to believe that the secret recruiting role would be able to be killed so easily...

It is odd, but it explains everything, I think... right? Since there was no lynch stop (it was a host error), that means the lynch switch the other day very well could have just been a prize.

And if the recruiter COULD recruit anyone (or practically anyone) and was a secret role, wouldn't that be insanely powerful? If I created a role like that, there's no way I'd give it any life protection.

It also explains why I haven't been recruited, why Bass wasn't recruited, and why its influence seems to be just carried through all of us asserting it's still there... but we haven't seen any further evidence of it.

That and I don't really know what other role splints could be at this point if not one of the two secret roles, based on my notes.

[Snow Dog]

Okay, fine, troll away. I don't care for your input then.

And the truth is you actually don't.

Why do you think MP is recruited?

I think he might be. I think it is very likely however. Why do I think it? Already said why. Notice how he is now saying that the recruiter is dead and there are no recruits.

I am literally digging my own grave here!

[Snow Dog]

Not literally digging it of course....

[Tangrowth]

Did anyone ever notice that no one has suspected keys of being bad... like ever?

You mean since I started defending him hard and vice versa?

Yeah, probably. Same with S~V~S though for similar reasons, right? Excluding your thoughts on her earlier of course.

I honestly think the solution to all of this is simpler than we've been making it. I thought about it today and then based on what you said too about the lack of influence, the theory just really makes sense. Let's just say there are two Cybers remaining and The Master, which have to be: Snowy, Epig, Dom, Blooper, and DF.

Maybe it's wishful thinking that the recruiter is dead, but it makes sense to me, at least if/until we receive new evidence that says otherwise.

[Tangrowth]

Okay, fine, troll away. I don't care for your input then.

And the truth is you actually don't.

Why do you think MP is recruited?

I think he might be. I think it is very likely however. Why do I think it? Already said why. Notice how he is now saying that the recruiter is dead and there are no recruits.

I am literally digging my own grave here!

But you've been fear mongering me as recruited for many cycles now and I haven't even come up with this theory until today.

Where did you say why and actually give a decent substantiated reason? Show me.

[Snow Dog]

Look Hedge, sweet Hedge. Just recruit me too so I can win as well!!!

[S~V~S]

I find it difficult to believe that the secret recruiting role would be able to be killed so easily...

It happens, though. Remember the super secret role in Six Feet Under died like day one or two. That was why you inherited the kill. There are a lot of built in death saves in this game. Not everyone can have one But yeah, I get your point, though.

Bass not being recruited made me think that the recruiter being gone was a possibility as well. But until we know that for sure, i would prefer to operate as if the recruiter is still out there.

[Tangrowth]

I find it difficult to believe that the secret recruiting role would be able to be killed so easily...

It happens, though. Remember the super secret role in Six Feet Under died like day one or two. That was why you inherited the kill. There are a lot of built in death saves in this game. Not everyone can have one But yeah, I get your point, though.

Bass not being recruited made me think that the recruiter being gone was a possibility as well. But until we know that for sure, i would prefer to operate as if the recruiter is still out there.

This is a good point though.

S~V~S, what do you think? Do you believe DF? Do you have any reads on Blooper and Dom?

[zeek]

Look Hedge, sweet Hedge. Just recruit me too so I can win as well!!!

Who else is on this team?

[Chris]

Did anyone ever notice that no one has suspected keys of being bad... like ever?

You mean since I started defending him hard and vice versa?

No, I mean ever.

His name has literally never been brought up by anyone.

Not at all. Not once. Neva.

Literally.


Linki @ SVS: It was a secret role, but it wasn't a recruiter or anything like that. But I get your point. I'm just saying that I doubt it would be that easy...

[Snow Dog]

I was refering to this. i admit i thought I'd written more and LC was obviously civ. Even so you were outed and played on it by solving your secrets guaranteeing trust all around

Here's a scenario for you.

LC outed Mp as the Doc and MP didn't deny it. In fact he posted his secrets. But what if LC isn't a Doctor companion but a recruiter? And Mp is recruited! So what I great idea to reveal to all the Doctor....no greater civ cred than that!

Anyway it is what it is. A possibility. I could be way off.

[Chris]

Except that LC is dead...

[Snow Dog]

Did anyone ever notice that no one has suspected keys of being bad... like ever?

You mean since I started defending him hard and vice versa?

No, I mean ever.

His name has literally never been brought up by anyone.

Not at all. Not once. Neva.

Literally.

[Tangrowth]

Did anyone ever notice that no one has suspected keys of being bad... like ever?

You mean since I started defending him hard and vice versa?

No, I mean ever.

His name has literally never been brought up by anyone.

Not at all. Not once. Neva.

Literally.


Linki @ SVS: It was a secret role, but it wasn't a recruiter or anything like that. But I get your point. I'm just saying that I doubt it would be that easy...

Well, that's mostly true, but remember I brought him earlier? I thought maybe he and you were bad when you were fixating on me for so long.

I was refering to this. i admit i thought I'd written more and LC was obviously civ. Even so you were outed and played on it by solving your secrets guaranteeing trust all around

Here's a scenario for you.

LC outed Mp as the Doc and MP didn't deny it. In fact he posted his secrets. But what if LC isn't a Doctor companion but a recruiter? And Mp is recruited! So what I great idea to reveal to all the Doctor....no greater civ cred than that!

Anyway it is what it is. A possibility. I could be way off.

But you keep saying Hedgeowl is the recruiter, not LC. Right?

And why would I not do any of that as my regular old civ self either?

And LC 1.0 and 2.0 are both civilians.

So I'm afraid I don't understand how this is anything other than baseless fear mongering.

[zeek]

I was refering to this. i admit i thought I'd written more and LC was obviously civ. Even so you were outed and played on it by solving your secrets guaranteeing trust all around

Here's a scenario for you.

LC outed Mp as the Doc and MP didn't deny it. In fact he posted his secrets. But what if LC isn't a Doctor companion but a recruiter? And Mp is recruited! So what I great idea to reveal to all the Doctor....no greater civ cred than that!

Anyway it is what it is. A possibility. I could be way off.

I don't think LC would replace back in if he'd been the recruiter. Issues with knowledge.

[Snow Dog]

Except that LC is dead...

Yeah but he wasn't and obviously that part of my theory doesn't hold water

[Snow Dog]

Stop pointing out that LC was civ. I bloody already mentioned it myself. Before any of you. Shit!

[Chris]

Except that LC is dead...

Yeah but he wasn't and obviously that part of my theory doesn't hold water

[zeek]

Sorry Snow Dog, linki stuff.

Whats your new theory then?

[Snow Dog]

Ok I'll make this clear, I KNOW LC WAS NOT THE FRAKING RECRUITER!

[Snow Dog]

Sometimes you guys make it hard to like you.

[Tangrowth]

Snowy, calm down, man. I love playing with you and you're an awesome guy. None of this is personal at all.

[zeek]

Sometimes you guys make it hard to like you.

Even me?

[Chris]

Sometimes you guys make it hard to like you.

[Tangrowth]

No, wait, let me redo that:

Snowy, I think you're LITERALLY the greatest person on the planet.

[Tangrowth]

^^^^^ Needs to be read in a Chris Traeger voice or else.

[Tangrowth]

I think Parks and Rec mafia needs to be hosted LITERALLY right the fuck now.

[keys56000000000]

Did anyone ever notice that no one has suspected keys of being bad... like ever?

You have suspected me of some things. I can't remember what. I'm sure you've at least accused me of being recruited.

But yeah, other than you, nothing.

MP, I'm changing my vote to Hedgeowl. Little more comfortable with her than DF. I don't know who splints was, but I can tell you she seemed annoyed that Roxy was on the team that killed her. So I am sure she wans't the recruiter. I still think she was most likely a civ.

[S~V~S]

I find it difficult to believe that the secret recruiting role would be able to be killed so easily...

It happens, though. Remember the super secret role in Six Feet Under died like day one or two. That was why you inherited the kill. There are a lot of built in death saves in this game. Not everyone can have one But yeah, I get your point, though.

Bass not being recruited made me think that the recruiter being gone was a possibility as well. But until we know that for sure, i would prefer to operate as if the recruiter is still out there.

This is a good point though.

S~V~S, what do you think? Do you believe DF? Do you have any reads on Blooper and Dom?

Blooper is being blendy~ she is not posting much, and when she is it is wall o'text. I read the walls o'text, and it feels more like a "story" then a post. She does not "feel" very civvie to e, based on her other games. As for Dom, I have somewhat of a blind spot. I tend to trust him, then I get paranoid that he is a baddie standing in my blind spot. For a little bit earlier today, he got me paranoid; he had that peevish bitchy baddie thing going on a bit. But then he sounded more like himself. So my opinion on Dom is fairly meaningless.

I tend to discount role hints, but in this game, with ways to pinpoint down roles to some extent, and a civ dead check (does anyone have a belief that Donna may be dead?) no one saying, Um, no way, makes me somewhat inclined to at least think about the possibility. Does anyone have arguments against it? Or thin it may have been someone else that was the Ood?

Linki~

[Tangrowth]

Did anyone ever notice that no one has suspected keys of being bad... like ever?

You have suspected me of some things. I can't remember what. I'm sure you've at least accused me of being recruited.

But yeah, other than you, nothing.

MP, I'm changing my vote to Hedgeowl. Little more comfortable with her than DF. I don't know who splints was, but I can tell you she seemed annoyed that Roxy was on the team that killed her. So I am sure she wans't the recruiter. I still think she was most likely a civ.

Feel free, since I'm not 100% positive on her, but I won't be joining you. I just really don't think she's bad this game.

I find it difficult to believe that the secret recruiting role would be able to be killed so easily...

It happens, though. Remember the super secret role in Six Feet Under died like day one or two. That was why you inherited the kill. There are a lot of built in death saves in this game. Not everyone can have one But yeah, I get your point, though.

Bass not being recruited made me think that the recruiter being gone was a possibility as well. But until we know that for sure, i would prefer to operate as if the recruiter is still out there.

This is a good point though.

S~V~S, what do you think? Do you believe DF? Do you have any reads on Blooper and Dom?

Blooper is being blendy~ she is not posting much, and when she is it is wall o'text. I read the walls o'text, and it feels more like a "story" then a post. She does not "feel" very civvie to e, based on her other games. As for Dom, I have somewhat of a blind spot. I tend to trust him, then I get paranoid that he is a baddie standing in my blind spot. For a little bit earlier today, he got me paranoid; he had that peevish bitchy baddie thing going on a bit. But then he sounded more like himself. So my opinion on Dom is fairly meaningless.

I tend to discount role hints, but in this game, with ways to pinpoint down roles to some extent, and a civ dead check (does anyone have a belief that Donna may be dead?) no one saying, Um, no way, makes me somewhat inclined to at least think about the possibility. Does anyone have arguments against it? Or thin it may have been someone else that was the Ood?

Linki~

Thanks!

I didn't see any conflicting role hints regarding The Ood, I only had placed someone as a probable in that role due to POE. Therefore, even though it's possible DF is lying, I'll be voting Blooper.

Subject to change, but I think she's most likely The Master out of anyone right now.

[bea]

Ok I'll make this clear, I KNOW LC WAS NOT THE FRAKING RECRUITER!

+10 nerd points to snowy for his use of Fracking. I miss BSG. Starbuck was sooo yummilicous!

[Chris]

(does anyone have a belief that Donna may be dead?)

I worked on this earlier. I don't know if it will help, but I basically found out that if Donna is alive, she would have been able to search all NKed players, not including Elo, BR & LC 1.0 at this point.

Donna check list:

night 1 - none - No one dead
night 2 - none - lynched juliets only 1 dead
night 3 - TH - checks TH or MR (died night 1)
night 4 - MR - MP & Elo survive night 2 NK. only check left is night 1.
night 5 - Splints - the only one who died night 3.
night 6 - zeek - Everyone knows Made was Emperor from night 4
night 7 - Daisy - only 1 to die night 5
night 8 - Made
night 9 - MP
night 10 - LC, BR or Elo.



I looked for thread evidence of any "ah HA!" moments, or anything that may suggest I found her, and I got nothing.

[Snow Dog]

Snowy, calm down, man. I love playing with you and you're an awesome guy. None of this is personal at all.

I know. I'm Ok. I really am.