Kid's Birthday Party Mafia Game Over

[Sabiplz]

If you can't find me as town then I can't help you.

Who is this directed at?

Falcon

[Sabiplz]

But yea I barely posted and just min posted the whole game.

Would you say that you have a volume tell?

Not on purpose.

First maf rand: middle of posters even tho I end gamed

Second maf rand: low end of posters even tho I end gamed

Third: low end but I was d1ed

Fourth: I was middle and I was qh D2

Fifth: I was bottom and I end gamed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Cool. That seems like it'd be a simple thing to check out. Have you primarily played on MU and playdip?

[Sabiplz]

Cool. That seems like it'd be a simple thing to check out. Have you primarily played on MU and playdip?

And webdip. (my first two Rands)

[falcon45ca]

Falcon what exactly have you done that was towny?

Dead Maf.

Bussing never exists.

No, it does. Bussing is real, I'm not saying I'm lock town



But you asked, and I've got a pelt.



You don't tho, yet somehow think you're beyond reproach. Why is that I wonder?


I recall you were a bit testy last RD when I dared raise questions about your slot...


Talk to me about your thoughts on the remaining players

Pelt means nothing because your vote wasn't the one that caused her death. The fact you are bragging about it is a clear tell you want credit for bussing.

I am always testy.

Jjj I'm currently paranoid over because he's alive

Wilgz idk what's up with him post surgery

Nook he need to obv town because rn he's looking dire

You, I'm currently raising my eyebrows at

I'm not bragging, if I was bragging I would've brought it up unsolicited.



You asked.




I agree with everything else you've said re: Jay, Wilgy & Nook btw

[JaggedJimmyJay]

literal double dipper

[falcon45ca]

I'm very much clearly out of my wolf range this game.

What have you done, specifically, that you feel is totally outside your wolf range?


Can ya give me 3?

[Sabiplz]

I'm very much clearly out of my wolf range this game.

What have you done, specifically, that you feel is totally outside your wolf range?


Can ya give me 3?

Have passionate cases, including building a whole wolf case on someone.

Have been reckless and not calm in how I post. I have been visibly annoyed about being scumread and frustrated irt because I don't like being incorrectly sr.

I antagonized a lot of people (Alison and Esooa)


Which brings me to #4 I have put the attention all on me. I want the attention. I begged jjj to case me. I made myself the focal point of the thread. I thrive as maf when people don't notice me so why would I bring it all on me.

(volume tell I'm top posting)

[falcon45ca]

literal double dipper

Who is your GTH scum right now?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

literal double dipper

Who is your GTH scum right now?

Nanook

[falcon45ca]

literal double dipper

Who is your GTH scum right now?

Nanook

Why does Nook leave you alive given last RD?



It's not like you getting MKd would be something that could only be hung on Nooks door, there's lots of good reasons for Maf to take you out...


But for Nook as Maf? I'd think there's a bit more incentive given your sus on his slot last RD.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why does Nook leave you alive given last RD?

It's not like you getting MKd would be something that could only be hung on Nooks door, there's lots of good reasons for Maf to take you out...

But for Nook as Maf? I'd think there's a bit more incentive given your sus on his slot last RD.

At a certain point, any mafia has the incentive to leave me here because my very existence draws paranoia like moths to the light. It's not that uncommon, frankly.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am not completely convinced that it's Nanook. He'd be my first guess with a gun in my face.

My entire mission this day phase is to assess everyone else as thoroughly as I can to determine the veracity of that viewpoint. That's due diligence.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We're allowed a POE of two players. It'd be useful to see who everyone would include in that group. As of right this moment, mine would be Nanook and Wilgy. I'll determine if my analyses agree with that pair throughout the day, but that's where I am now.

I sense greater solving urgency from the other two, commensurate with the gamestate.

[falcon45ca]

Why does Nook leave you alive given last RD?

It's not like you getting MKd would be something that could only be hung on Nooks door, there's lots of good reasons for Maf to take you out...

But for Nook as Maf? I'd think there's a bit more incentive given your sus on his slot last RD.

At a certain point, any mafia has the incentive to leave me here because my very existence draws paranoia like moths to the light. It's not that uncommon, frankly.

I've thought that as well....how do you view Sabi's reaction to my pressure on their slot?

[falcon45ca]

Why does Nook leave you alive given last RD?

It's not like you getting MKd would be something that could only be hung on Nooks door, there's lots of good reasons for Maf to take you out...

But for Nook as Maf? I'd think there's a bit more incentive given your sus on his slot last RD.

At a certain point, any mafia has the incentive to leave me here because my very existence draws paranoia like moths to the light. It's not that uncommon, frankly.

Given Nooks penchant for absence, and yours for rallying the town, it still seems...less than ideal for his position if he's wolf.


Or do you disagree?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've thought that as well....how do you view Sabi's reaction to my pressure on their slot?

It doesn't make me think less of them. It's become quite evident in recent games that Sabi does not care to receive suspicion, particularly when they're town. They may be guilty of some degree of "town entitlement", wherein folks tend to overestimate their own degree of being clear.

Generally I think it's healthy for both of you to engage in that exchange if you're both town. It's the nature of a final 5 scenario, and people who have seemed town most of the game are going to come under increased scrutiny. That's how it should be. I still think Sabi appears town at face value. When I get the opportunity to review them more completely I can expand that read beyond general impressions, meta, and high-level strategy (like "defended lucy"). Hopefully that will be more illuminating either way.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Given Nooks penchant for absence, and yours for rallying the town, it still seems...less than ideal for his position if he's wolf.


Or do you disagree?

Perhaps. It's something that should be considered, and I will. The entire question becomes significantly more wifom as long as Nanook's Day 4 looks the way that it looks right now -- I would imagine he'll have more to say eventually. Rondo kind of got away with similar let town consume itself with silent paranoia behavior at the end of Halvosen Ridge.

[falcon45ca]

We're allowed a POE of two players. It'd be useful to see who everyone would include in that group. As of right this moment, mine would be Nanook and Wilgy. I'll determine if my analyses agree with that pair throughout the day, but that's where I am now.

I sense greater solving urgency from the other two, commensurate with the gamestate.

I tend to agree...but that also feels too easy in some ways...


Both are low activity the past few RDs, and traditionally low activity players by and large...but the Maf leave an active town voice w/ an exceptional resume' alive to rally town?

[Sabiplz]

Town entitlement

[falcon45ca]

Jay's posting this game reminds me of a Bible verse...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I tend to agree...but that also feels too easy in some ways...

I don't tend to think about games in terms of "too easy". I don't think there's any correlation to suggest that a solve being "easy" makes it less likely to be correct.

Both are low activity the past few RDs, and traditionally low activity players by and large...but the Maf leave an active town voice w/ an exceptional resume' alive to rally town?

In this game their activity level is pretty comparable to mine. Folks would be surprised how often I live long in games. It's been a trend that has elapsed pretty much my entire tenure as a player. Whether I am playing well or playing poorly, my lifespan is consistently longer than people seem to assume it will be (or than I think it should be). There are exceptions, especially when I play with strangers, but among friends this is the trend. Marmot might have provided a clue earlier in the game: my analytical focus is broad and all-encompassing, and I am a careful thinker who is willing to listen. That may be less scary than the loud, boisterous reputations of the Alison-types who might have a comparable record of winning but do so in a way that is inherently scarier to mafia.

I haven't even voted yet, after all. I wish to take care with my solving, and mafia know that I will be careful and refuse to just tunnel.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Town entitlement

No offense intended, Sabz. We all do that sometimes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I should probably tunnel more.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay's posting this game reminds me of a Bible verse...

People tell me I look like Jesus!

[Sabiplz]

Send pics or gtfo

[Sabiplz]

He did gtfo

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Send pics or gtfo

Blessings upon each of you, my babies.

[falcon45ca]

Jay's posting this game reminds me of a Bible verse...

People tell me I look like Jesus!

Nah, it's from a fun part of the Bible


Revelations 3:16


Fun fact, did you know there's not one single historical document that exists referencing Jesus of Nazarather until around 100 years after he's said to have died for couple days?


No primary sources


You can find texts re: Pilate, but not JC. Huh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m lukewarm.

[Sabiplz]

Send pics or gtfo

Blessings upon each of you, my babies.

Woah I did not expect you too look like that

[Sabiplz]

You do look like jesus

[Sabiplz]

Jjj you have a nice voice.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyway this game just ended. It was multiball and I was scum. Under the BesharamSabi name.

I won.

You have 2 states game and this as recent scum rands

https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/vie ... 06&t=62489

Yeah this game is why im TRing you lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I've thought that as well....how do you view Sabi's reaction to my pressure on their slot?

It doesn't make me think less of them. It's become quite evident in recent games that Sabi does not care to receive suspicion, particularly when they're town. They may be guilty of some degree of "town entitlement", wherein folks tend to overestimate their own degree of being clear.

Generally I think it's healthy for both of you to engage in that exchange if you're both town. It's the nature of a final 5 scenario, and people who have seemed town most of the game are going to come under increased scrutiny. That's how it should be. I still think Sabi appears town at face value. When I get the opportunity to review them more completely I can expand that read beyond general impressions, meta, and high-level strategy (like "defended lucy"). Hopefully that will be more illuminating either way.

"Particularly when they're town" they self hammered as maf lol this seems inaccurate

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Given Nooks penchant for absence, and yours for rallying the town, it still seems...less than ideal for his position if he's wolf.


Or do you disagree?

Perhaps. It's something that should be considered, and I will. The entire question becomes significantly more wifom as long as Nanook's Day 4 looks the way that it looks right now -- I would imagine he'll have more to say eventually. Rondo kind of got away with similar let town consume itself with silent paranoia behavior at the end of Halvosen Ridge.

You can imagine that if you want. My poe is you

If I get a second person I'd make it wilgy, but I doubt I have that luxury

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jjj you have a nice voice.

Thanks! I don’t do much with it except teach psychology! I kinda forget how to talk sometimes!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"Particularly when they're town" they self hammered as maf lol this seems inaccurate

That was a deliberate strategy to make Achromatic look good and silence town with an early night. There was other disgruntlement in that period, but it was unrelated to the game and shouldn’t be recapped here.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Agree to disagree

[Sabiplz]

Jjj is right about the strat. He was in mafia chat

[Sabiplz]

Anyway this game just ended. It was multiball and I was scum. Under the BesharamSabi name.

I won.

You have 2 states game and this as recent scum rands

https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/vie ... 06&t=62489

Yeah this game is why im TRing you lol

Now I know why you couldn't explain your reasons lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What's on your mind at this point, Sabi?

[Sabiplz]

What's on your mind at this point, Sabi?

I think Nook or Wilgz has to be the vote because poe.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@DrWilgy I hope your head feels better dude.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Gonna go for a deep dive into Sabi now.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyway this game just ended. It was multiball and I was scum. Under the BesharamSabi name.

I won.

You have 2 states game and this as recent scum rands

https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/vie ... 06&t=62489

Yeah this game is why im TRing you lol

Now I know why you couldn't explain your reasons lol

Tbf i haven't exactly been a fount of eloquence lately

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reviewing Sabiplz

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Also because Alison rvs is very awkward and stiff compared to other aussie visor.

The first immediate difference I noticed from Sabi in this game from their previous here (the States-themed mountainous double-chopper). I thought they were slower in that other game about getting into a proper "hunting" mindset, whereas in this one they were already giving Alison grief seven posts in. Reiterated here

It's a small meta note by the standards of this gamestate.

Spoiler: show

I'm bored and gay.

Wilgz might be town. Idk. He seems too engaged in the game when every time I played with him (3 other times) he wasn't. He's not fluff posting as much.

Nook I'd weird and he usually reads me well so his sr on me makes no sense.

Falcon seems engaged I guess.

Mamot no read on.

Jjj no read on but I like his solving my slot. I'm biased.

Link

Volume tells are boring and easily fake able. I only tr Falcon last game when he was posting a lot of fluff because I had tmi.

Falcon needs game related content and shouldn't be tr till he does.

Volume tells are fake able.

I'm not hyperposting or top posting. I'm confirmed scum.

That's how yall sounds judging both Falcon and Wilgz based off posting numbers

I'm not hyperposting or top posting. I'm confirmed scum.

That's how yall sounds judging both Falcon and Wilgz based off posting numbers

Alright, so do tell me Sabi, what have I done, outside of numbers that would incline you to a town or wolf read?

Your distrust is a good thing, I think.

Null at the moment.

I think if you're scum yiu would be hyperposting because when you slank as town you get put into poe. To avoid that you are trying to appear as towny as possible.

I think if you're town you are tired of everyone poe-ing you and you just are excited to play a game with your pals jjj marmot.and Falcon.

I just need more stuff from you

I'm not hyperposting or top posting. I'm confirmed scum.

That's how yall sounds judging both Falcon and Wilgz based off posting numbers

I've played with them for years. I've only played one (maybe two) games with you tbf

Fair. I just think giving townreads based off volume on D1 tends to be something mafia does because they want to look like they are solving the game and trying to justify their tmi with shallow tr.

I rather you explain what posts of Falcon and Wilgz is giving you towny pings

Nothing Alison has done since her pop in has given me towny pings.

She's still awkward and stiff.

Anyway I have a migraine so I'm going to be in and out today.

Sabi's early game content was pretty thick with solving material. I threw a number of examples into a porridge here. I can temper this by clarifying that not all of these are explicitly reads; indeed, Sabi dedicated some effort to diminishing town reads on falcon and Wilgy. There can be theoretical mafia value in that, as it can serve to keep the POE nice and open. While the agenda is available for interpretation, it's not one that I feel. To me this looks like someone that wants to make their mark on the game and has real perspectives about how to do so. It's okay to be cautious.

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You read all these pages and I'm the only one you have any semblance of a read on? Well go ahead then, proceed at your own pace, I'm sure you'll come up with something.

I have been giving nuance reads on all the active slots so far. I can see both their towny and scummy pov.

Wilgz I just have doubts on because he has slanked 3/3 games I had with him as town so him being super active is giving me doubts because I think he's doing this to avoid being poed.

Falcon hasn't given any good enough amount of game content and all his tr he has received has made me more sus of the low bar he has.

I misread marmot our only game together so I rather wait till I see more from him.

Jjj solving has been noticed but I can see maf or town him doing this to explain away tmi. I have creeped and read his past games because he's #famous.

Nook hasn't done anything towny or necessarily scummy yet minus his terrible read on me. He's one of the few people with an accurate read on me. I need more from him before I judge his slot.

Anything else?

These reads certainly waffle about. It's better that Sabi made it clear that was the intention in the first sentence. I'll have to see how these develop to determine whether it's a problem.

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I'm going to explain my jjj read.

His solve on my slot is based off the fact that he thought mafia me last game I was not trying to solve with my D1 fluff.

This is an incorrect read because I was pushing on Mac and giving the same style reads as right now.

So yea I feel like he could explain away his tmi in me with an incorrect read in me.

I only have had 4 wolf Rands and have played each one differently so like I don't have a wolf range yet.

This is a decent start. They interpreted their own play in the previous game differently to me, and accordingly they were wary of my initial town read. I'm not sure it's typical of mafia, especially in their first game against me, to treat an erroneous town read of mine like this (instead they probably just say "alright, sick" and take it). There's visible paranoia at play, and that's okay.

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You are pretty tame this game.

Hmm a little too reserved and timid

This was directed at lucy. It strikes me as important, because Sabi ended up being lucy's staunchest defender. This opening interaction suggests some measure of suspicion. What that means to me I will clarify as I continue.

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As someone who has played a lot of games with Lucy recently. She makes herself obvious by D2. Just patience. If she doesn't by D2 we yeet her to the sun.

I don't get why lucy is getting this pressure when Nook plays the same style and doesn't do anything AI till later in the game.

I just think yall think of her as lhf

That posture moved not long after. Sabi had given themselves the opportunity to participate in the anti-lucy climate with the previous post, but then opted against that here (and became increasingly adamant about it through Day 2). That would be an awkward pivot for mafia when faking a read on town. This is a small point, at least so far.

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"she's playing as null as possible"

"she isn't giving us anything AI"

"she's mafia"

None of this is making sense.

Alison you moved from one lhf (Falcon) to Lucy. This isn't helping me not sr you.

@Sabiplz can you please elaborate on the Alison vote? I want into your head again.

Basically nothing towny from her. She moved from one lhf (Falcon) to another (lucy). Her reasoning to push her is weak and for someone that wants to win, she has no care that her policy pushing is going to force us into limlo due to miselims. It's anti town.


None of her pushes and reads have been pro town. It's all been centered around Alison.

Perhaps the alternate interpretation would be TMI, particularly with posts like these (dismissing both falcon and lucy as "LHF") as a justification for suspecting Alison.

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I'm kinda meh on sparkles. It feels too easy. I have zero meta on her so I will sheep yall.

Wait I'm sticking on Alison for now.

Idk

Esooa also hasn't impressed me but I guess irl obligations?

Falcon is null.

Wilgz sustaining the posting for two days in a row is interesting. Slightest of slightest town leans for now.

Jjj is null. I want charts and graphs.

Marmot may have partner equity with Alison idk. He isn't feeling towny. But I also suck at reading him so idk.

Nook exists.

Visor exists.

Am I missing anyone?

Here's another reads list to follow the development from those before it. The reads are moving, gradually. Esooa and Wilgy seem to have clearer viewpoints here, and perhaps Marmot too.

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I wish we could vote out Mac for having an ungodly eod time.

Word

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@MissSparkles to save everyone a giant wallpost of quotes:

whats your take on me? tbh i dont know why i quoted this so rather then make the effort of backspacing ill ask u a questionn.

I currently didn't have a solid opinion with your early start. I have heard before this game that you were coming out of retirement and wanted games so I guess the rust played a part with the awkwardness.

I kinda did share a kinship over playing with a lot of emotions.

I do like your posts since you came back the game. Feels a bit pockety but whatever. I'm easy.

×××

Do you feel the same way about Alison? I felt ALISON EXAGGERATED IN RESPONSE HERE AND CAME OFF QUITE DEFENSIVE.

Yes but also that's NAI for Alison. She is very policy heavy in terms how she plays. Not my play style but it's hers.

×××

Do you also consider me LHF? So yea this is why im mindmelding and liking your takes, im calling you town on mindmeld.

Idk I haven't played with you but I know others have said you were good and tend to do a lot as a player. You don't have arep of being a slank so I guess I don't view you as a lhf

This is a bit hard to follow, but it's a dialogue with Sparkles. A prevailing view, and one that I have shared, is that Sparkles tried to pocket Sabi on Day 1. Sabi themself was aware of this possibility and voiced that accordingly, albeit alongside a gentle positive reception. Sparkles going for those "mindmelds" looks really unteamed.

Dumb read alert: I think teammates are less likely to communicate in this form, without quotes. It degrades the distance value they'd otherwise be pursuing.

At the end of Day 1, Sabi left their vote on Alison (alongside Sparkles). It was technically a "counterwagon" comprised of two. It'd be a bit bizarre for both mafia to do that on a wagon that cannot overcome the Sparkles wagon, as lucy would have at one point or outed wolf later.

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Alison not dying.

Alison wolf.

Alison vote.

Alison tried to force lucy to be a cw to sparkles.

Alison weird comments in eod.

The math isn't matching.

Alison once again looks scummy.

I rather flip Alison today and if she flips v then policy lucy tomorrow but I doubt it.

I'm hungover and haven't slept so I will explain later.

Another point against Alison btw is I think she was very resistant to accepting Lucy's meta stuff when backed by like nanook or someone

That's probably an angle where wolf Alison is pushing things a bit more unreasonably than she i ought to be

Not sold on it though obviously

Also the thing where "she has a poe of two so it's towny" isn't really valid. Even if a wolf needs to push more people than that to win they don't have to today and Alison knows that

Also Lucy's vote reasoning last day phase was SUS imo

Esooa mindmeld ing with me.

Join me and Nook on alison.

Alison tried to force lucy to be a cw to sparkles.

Alison weird comments in eod.

The math isn't matching.

Do you think lucy is town?

I don't think she's scum.

What has she done to make you think she isn't scum?

Because right now she is caring more about her ego than winning this game as scum. She's not the kind of person to abandon her wincon if she's the last scum member. She cares more about teaching you a lesson.

Lettuce tunnel, spec chat.

I say that facetiously, because these posts read to me like people tunneling someone from an unspoiled spec chat. That doesn't imply necessarily that Sabi isn't spoiled, but the vibe made me chuckle. More importantly, this is thematic in Sabi's play. In their lucy defense as well as their aggression against Alison and Esooa, they were insistent, consistent, and persistent. They invested in those motions. From the perspective of "mafia agenda", I'm not sure I see why that's necessary on Day 2 when things are kind of snoozing toward a lucy mischop -- especially if Alison is going to be a night kill. That's all rather incongruent and reflects nicely on Sabi.

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Nook eod response defending lucy kinda felt genuine.

Esooa I don't even know anymore.

Falcon has dropped hard.

Wilgz also dropped hard.

Jjj is fine.

Marmot is also fine.

Initial Day 3 reads. Maybe they're better called "observations" than reads. They're rather generic and don't add a lot to the solving aura Sabi had previously established. Expanded a bit in a dialogue with falcon

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Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

Whow would you consider not LHF at this point?

I would consider falcon and Wilgy in that category too, the people I've gathered you are pushing. But so I can get a clarification, who do you think is the wolf atp?

You and jjj.

I don't think Falcon is lhf today.

I have no idea who is maf. Gut/tinfoil is telling me there's a deep wolf in either you or jjj

What are your thoughts on Esooa?

Alison lite.

I don't mind yeeting her since she's being weird and the way marmot and jjj brought up how she handled sparkles was eyebrow raising

Yeah, I'm also not a fan of the way she handled Sparks...or any of her scum reads really. There's lots of hedging and pivot points in her posts, and several examples of unsolicited overexplanations.



OK, so who is in your absolutely not voting list for this RD?

Uhhhh you, marmot and jjj.

Maybe Wilgz (this vote is just a placeholder for now but I would like him to post this game day)

Jk voting for Esooa. No more omgus Wilgz.

Esooa I rather yeet than Nook and j3

Sabi spent a chunk of Day 3 vaguely exploring some paranoia and gradually arriving at a view of the game that was reasonably similar to mine. I think these progressions are fine.

In the interest of not making this post any longer, I'm gonna truncate this here.

There are little things I can nitpick if I want to. I don't really want to. Generally, this review supports my previous perspective: that Sabi looks town. There is a meta argument and a general solving argument that I think is more easily made in their favor than against it (as well as an argument for association with Sparkles). I'd still like to take a quick look at their other sites to judge the value of the volume tell. I couldn't find them right away on MU (is it Kutiplz or something similar?).

[falcon45ca]

Given Nooks penchant for absence, and yours for rallying the town, it still seems...less than ideal for his position if he's wolf.


Or do you disagree?

Perhaps. It's something that should be considered, and I will. The entire question becomes significantly more wifom as long as Nanook's Day 4 looks the way that it looks right now -- I would imagine he'll have more to say eventually. Rondo kind of got away with similar let town consume itself with silent paranoia behavior at the end of Halvosen Ridge.

You can imagine that if you want. My poe is you

If I get a second person I'd make it wilgy, but I doubt I have that luxury

Why do you doubt?

[falcon45ca]

Gonna go for a deep dive into Sabi now.

How often do your deep dives sway your opinion?



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