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[Achromatic]

I am a double voter.

[Achromatic]

y'know, I remember one time there was someone I thought could be scum in a game recently and he kept posting vote counts for the record to show people and he flipped town.

Wonder if that would apply to Santy.

[santygrass]

That is fair tbh. And like, I am well aware that my playstyle never is one to get townread over it so /shrug.

The part of explaining better my reads in general is something that I will get better at hopefully? But yeh Skill Issue in like, I just brainspew stuff most of the time and maybe unreadable with how I express stuff but oh well.

I think my point of Mac Solve doesnt really adding up and having trouble thinking that he really believes it.
Esooa reads pinging me (irt ris/neon specially, and how I feel uneasy with the read they had on me EoD)
And Hk is maybe just sheeping nanook cuz I think they have some merit regardless, but Visor legacy holds me back more ig.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sorry. Queek was....distracted, yes-yes.

[santygrass]

y'know, I remember one time there was someone I thought could be scum in a game recently and he kept posting vote counts for the record to show people and he flipped town.

Wonder if that would apply to Santy.

Ehhh, I think it was my gripe that looking back at D1 we cant track how the wagon went. So regardless of how Day ends this is going to be pro-town I think.

Also I know this is something towny in itself so I wouldn't give me points? Cuz its super easy to fake. Just dont ignore it if y'all yeet me wowee.
Was thinking in maybe put them all together in EoD to have a post with easy tracking to developing of the day

[Sabiplz]

Sorry. Queek was....distracted, yes-yes.

Looking at skaven slaves?

[Achromatic]

That is fair tbh. And like, I am well aware that my playstyle never is one to get townread over it so /shrug.

The part of explaining better my reads in general is something that I will get better at hopefully? But yeh Skill Issue in like, I just brainspew stuff most of the time and maybe unreadable with how I express stuff but oh well.

I think my point of Mac Solve doesnt really adding up and having trouble thinking that he really believes it.
Esooa reads pinging me (irt ris/neon specially, and how I feel uneasy with the read they had on me EoD)
And Hk is maybe just sheeping nanook cuz I think they have some merit regardless, but Visor legacy holds me back more ig.

See I have this wolf profile of you in my head and your Esooa read is going against it, which is good.

Like most of your behavior if you are wolf has basically been "Achro is town and also we appease Achro because we don't want any trouble."

So the natural continuation of that would be to drop Esooa as a read when I counterpointed you, but instead you found something else. Which feels like (and this can be right and I can be wrong) you just confbiasing yourself and going for it no matter what anyone else says because it just feels right. Which I find to be towny more than anything because it bucks what I would expect a wolf you to do who has filed me away as town and has played into me consistently.

Could be a wrinkle you added, of course.

[santygrass]

@Neon I think I already asked you this and probably forgot the answer already. Could you elaborate on Mac? What are some posts that pinged you as towny? What do you think about his pushes and solving?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sorry. Queek was....distracted, yes-yes.

Looking at skaven slaves?

Mind own business, cat-thing!

[santygrass]

That is fair tbh. And like, I am well aware that my playstyle never is one to get townread over it so /shrug.

The part of explaining better my reads in general is something that I will get better at hopefully? But yeh Skill Issue in like, I just brainspew stuff most of the time and maybe unreadable with how I express stuff but oh well.

I think my point of Mac Solve doesnt really adding up and having trouble thinking that he really believes it.
Esooa reads pinging me (irt ris/neon specially, and how I feel uneasy with the read they had on me EoD)
And Hk is maybe just sheeping nanook cuz I think they have some merit regardless, but Visor legacy holds me back more ig.

See I have this wolf profile of you in my head and your Esooa read is going against it, which is good.

Like most of your behavior if you are wolf has basically been "Achro is town and also we appease Achro because we don't want any trouble."

So the natural continuation of that would be to drop Esooa as a read when I counterpointed you, but instead you found something else. Which feels like (and this can be right and I can be wrong) you just confbiasing yourself and going for it no matter what anyone else says because it just feels right. Which I find to be towny more than anything because it bucks what I would expect a wolf you to do who has filed me away as town and has played into me consistently.

Could be a wrinkle you added, of course.

As a fact, I think that in my mind prob happened the other way.

Like, you were there when the ris/visor/Esooa thing happened and I jumped at Esooa sussing them, and you said to me that it was somewhat of a contradiction between the reads. So in the end like I tone down the sus a little but just have the gut feeling / gripe that I couldnt let go, so probs why only remembering runescape posts from Esooa at EoD pinged me as bad (and even forgot some other post).

Rereading the EoD I could see that I was wrong and they were kinda pushing hk indeed. But like, me bothering them so much with ris and I think they are still in an 'undecided' position from what I understand doesnt help me much?
But I see them voting Mac and unpaired with Hk, so not the best place to push rn wowee

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

going to bed gl town

[risiinq-]

i am a potato

(also gonna go sleep and will only drop by for a while at eod)

[risiinq-]

read a few isos but came to the same conclusion i went in with

[DrWilgy]

Goodnight

[santygrass]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (5) - Esooa, DrWilgy, santygrass, Achro, riisinq-
Santygrass (5) - Sabiplz, Jack, hollowkatt, Neon, Porscha
Hollowkatt (3) - Nanook, Lilypetal, MacDougall

[santygrass]

Also Jack ignored me sadge

[Achromatic]

If you're not scum my next two ideas for scum are Mac/Jack if it makes you feel better.

[hollowkatt]

I love jack btw he's hilarious

[hollowkatt]

I don't like mafia anymore. If anyone persuades me to play it again I am not going to be roped into caring.

It me, only 3 days ago. And now I'm here.

[hollowkatt]

hottest of hot takes: there is minimum one wolf between Achro, Esooa, Mac, Nanook

zero wolves within Sabi, Porscha, Wigly

min one wolf between Santy, Jack, Neon, Lilypetal, risiinq

This is all just vibes and feelings but it would make the most sense to me that there are two wolves in Achro, Esooa, Mac, Nanook, no wolves in the mid tier bucket, and only one within Santy, Jack, Neon, Lily, and risiinq.
What I can't tell is who I'd want to flip first among the top tier. Nanook flipping wolf would look good for me I think but would not provide much in terms of pairs/partners to go and look for. Nanook is playing somewhat on an island which normally would indicate unpaired with anyone but his push on me feels opportunistic. Which is probably not true I'm just feeling that because it's on me.
Nanook flipping town though functionally confirms HK wolf to the thread, I think.

Achro flipping town makes Mac look worse, me look better, Nanook no change, Esooa slightly better I think. Achro wolf functionally = Mac town, which makes Esooa look worse as well.

Mac town makes Esooa, Achro look really bad, and vice versa really good if he's wolf.

Esooa again feels unpaired, like nanook does. An Esooa wolf flip makes me look better, town flip makes me look worse, but again doesn't do much for the rest of the thread but Mac. Again town Esooa points to wolf Mac and vice versa.

It would also explain why when those 4 are posting the thread feels sticky

If there are multiple wolves instead in the bottom set and there's only one in the top set (I'm convinced the middle set is pure) it would also go a long way towards explaining why the thread feels sticky when the top set is all posting together, because it's three (or even 4) townies in that set all trying to get heard, understood, and worked with.

ugh, game is hard, why do we play

[Sabiplz]

Mafia sucks

[santygrass]

@hollowkatt explain to me your wilg read? .

Also, you think Esooa and Mac are unpaired right?

If you had full control to yeet one in Top bucket (Achro/Esooa/Mac/Nanook) and one in the third bucket , who would they be?

[santygrass]

Also dont really agree with the 'feels unpaired' read from Esooa and Nanook. Like, I think both of them have a good amount of possible partners to dig into? Idk. Feel unpaired with you is the biggest unpaired read that I have.

[DrWilgy]

Yeah I'm baffled in HK's confidence in me.

I haven't been around, I can't imagine anyone being confident on me.

[DrWilgy]

Feels TMI tbh.

I think the only people I can't be wolves with are what, Mac?

[DrWilgy]

In my time away the only thing that has held true is that we need to yeet Neon.

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt explain to me your wilg read? .

Also, you think Esooa and Mac are unpaired right?

If you had full control to yeet one in Top bucket (Achro/Esooa/Mac/Nanook) and one in the third bucket , who would they be?

the explanation is that wigly has been obvs town since like the beginning of the game. I dunno, I didn't like track reasons why I town read wigly I just do it.

i think mac/esooa are unpaired because if they were paired the theater would not be as intense as it is. Maybe they've concocted a plan in wolf chat that basically is "make the thread icky" but I respect both of them too much to make that read.

I'd kill nanook just for personal satisfaction. It would also give me the most insight into how he plays.
I think Achro is just town. If everyone in that bucket flips town though he's a wolf but it'll be too late they've already won.

[Lilypetal]

Good morning

[Lilypetal]

New fire emblem game got announced so my morning has been pretty good

[Lilypetal]

voting mac again

[santygrass]

New fire emblem game got announced so my morning has been pretty good

Toothpaste avatar letsgooo. I am kinda weirded out by the protagonist design tbh, but overall the other designs look pretty good imo. (My weakness is the blonde boy already)

[santygrass]

Also Im at work so shame I couldnt realtime with hk more, want to keep solving there cuz I feel rn the POV from me/hk/mac are the most important I'd say

[santygrass]

Votecount asof rn

MacDougall (6) - Esooa, DrWilgy, Achromatic, Lilypetal, Santygrass, Riisinq-
Santygrass (5) - sabiplz, Hollowkatt, Jack, Neon, Porscha
Hollowkatt (2) - Nanook, MacDougall

[Lilypetal]

New fire emblem game got announced so my morning has been pretty good

Toothpaste avatar letsgooo. I am kinda weirded out by the protagonist design tbh, but overall the other designs look pretty good imo. (My weakness is the blonde boy already)

yeah i like the designs just not protag, i'm a little disappointed but im sure it'll be fun also it comes out p soon !!

[Lilypetal]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

[santygrass]

So @hollowkatt . Tell me if I interpreted something wrong. From your view right now, you have the player slots like this

{Sabi, Porscha, Wilg} > Never a Wolf in here
{Esooa, MacDougall, Nanook, Achro} > Min a wolf in here. More probably 2
{Santy, Jack,Neon, Lily, Riisinq- } > Min a wolf in here, prob only one.

Right?

Then, why are you voting at me with this current votecount?
Also, since when would you say that you have this solve/worldview?

[santygrass]

Also, my gripe with Wilgz as obvtown, its like, their engagement in the game. What it feels like its that they had towny post at start of game, and then whent with a low impact/presence approach. And yeah I can see why people still think their content was towny still and dont want to pressure there or whatever, but its wilgz that polarized of a player to have a never rescind/ bet the game type of read? They werent much involved in most of the stuff to have that type of stance?

Where Im headed at is in that in your Worldview hk, I feel like they should go in the bucket of {Min 1 wolf there, but prob only one} , with lily, ris and stuff.

[santygrass]

Switching topics, @MacDougall point me at towny posts from Jack that you had yo townread them at SoD? And what is your actual read on them?

[Lilypetal]

yeah putting wilgz as lock town is a bit sus

they were becoming consensus town early day 1 but their activity has been low which is fine but due to that you cant rly lock town them

[Porscha]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

[Achromatic]

If mac is wolf Wilgy is never wolf due to them mindmelding early on VILLAINOUS MAC BEHAVIOR.

[Porscha]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

[Lilypetal]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

can u show me examples? i dont see what you think is wolfy abt me and i townread you pretty strongly so im beginning to think im wrong

[Achromatic]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

can u show me examples? i dont see what you think is wolfy abt me and i townread you pretty strongly so im beginning to think im wrong

You would change a strong townread just because someone suspects you?

[santygrass]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

You think Im wolf? Could you give me bullet points on what you think its more wolfy about me?
And your read on Mac/hk/Esooa ?

[santygrass]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

can u show me examples? i dont see what you think is wolfy abt me and i townread you pretty strongly so im beginning to think im wrong

You would change a strong townread just because someone suspects you?

Absolutely. Its pushing a town . I did it with Lily when they expressed the 50/50 and not being sure about me being town

[Lilypetal]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

can u show me examples? i dont see what you think is wolfy abt me and i townread you pretty strongly so im beginning to think im wrong

You would change a strong townread just because someone suspects you?

if i strongly tr someone and they start repeatedly saying im scum and i still dont get why then i begin to think maybe there's an agenda there

[Achromatic]

Man, my scum team is really big then huh.

[santygrass]

Also, wagons were me/Mac/Hk for most part of the day.
Anyone thinks they could be T/T/T ? Please dont try to answer 'well I think x is always a wolf so no'. Like, try to really analize wagonomics and the scenarios in where I am Villa, scenarios when Mac is villa, and scenarios where Hk is villa.

If the answer is positive, who could be the wolves?

[Lilypetal]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

can u show me examples? i dont see what you think is wolfy abt me and i townread you pretty strongly so im beginning to think im wrong

You would change a strong townread just because someone suspects you?

Absolutely. Its pushing a town . I did it with Lily when they expressed the 50/50 and not being sure about me being town

idk santy i just doubt myself a lot and there were some good points brought up by achro

im not scum reading you at all i just could see you flipping w and like i said it's a 50/50 and one i dont rly wanna touch but i wont be voting you