Hot Fuzz Mafia [GAME OVER]

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No luck catching them killers, then?

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It's just the one killer, actually. (Host/dead/non-player)
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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If you're fake claiming this on our only protective claim please don't.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Actually I don't believe you, because you softed the red before Ruri claimed to have not acted and after she claimed doctor. I'm sticking with my Lily vote.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Yeah for real

It doesn't take a genius to figure out she probably didn't submit an action herself lol, like. She was really likely just the proxy nk carry 🤷‍♀️
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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But wouldn't you pause on your "red" soft when you saw she claimed protective?

Idk what to think. Because if she was trying to work around a claim it wouldn't make sure for her to also claim she forgot to submit her action.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Though if multiple protectives exist you'd think there'd be more vigilantes.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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DrWilgy wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:30 pm I'm town. Tho I've not been active, which is a scum tell, it's inaccurate this game
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Actually I wouldn't say the mason protective qualifies as an actual protective.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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This red was also fake lol

Ruri probably town obscurity probably town
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Ruri wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:13 am Voting me without a counterclaim? Okay bro
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Jack probably mafia lol, probably with one of falcon/schia/ruri
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:08 am Jack probably mafia lol, probably with one of falcon/schia/ruri
This is really just falcon/schia imo, I think ruri had a pretty town reaction
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:10 am Fyi, I'm not hard shielding Falcon at this point. But he is the easiest to read of that trio by far and I have a townlean on him and if he really is town, we should be able to know in a phase or two so it's never worth shrug maybe red check yeeting Falcon.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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I still think Jack is pretty townie. And I think all reads lead back to us needing to flip Lily.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Sure, flipping lily is fine

I think jack had a pretty outing reaction but
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:08 am Jack probably mafia lol, probably with one of falcon/schia/ruri
I'm curious why Jack has a TR on me....why was Ruri's reaction towny? It seemed pretty PR hunt to me
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:12 am Sure, flipping lily is fine

I think jack had a pretty outing reaction but
Can you explain this?

I'm willing to entertain it despite my own read because of Mac likely having more experience, though I have felt he's been consistently townie.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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falcon45ca wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:12 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:08 am Jack probably mafia lol, probably with one of falcon/schia/ruri
I'm curious why Jack has a TR on me....why was Ruri's reaction towny? It seemed pretty PR hunt to me
Naw it felt real to me, and pretty sure scumruri doesn't keep posting after a red is outed on her

Note that read is specific to ruri
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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obscurity wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:13 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:12 am Sure, flipping lily is fine

I think jack had a pretty outing reaction but
Can you explain this?

I'm willing to entertain it despite my own read because of Mac likely having more experience, though I have felt he's been consistently townie.
His reaction was awkward deflection
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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His treatment around Ruri/ "this is what I was waiting for" stuff is admitted a bit strange in isolation. Not sure if that's what you mean, but.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Mostly because I'm the one who has been pinging Ruri to full claim all phase so I'm not sure why Jack was acting like he was waiting for the claim all phase so he could be like "aha, got you," when it hasn't actually felt that way.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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But I don't know, some of it could just be performative language/stylistic type of stuff. I've still all in all felt more positively about Jack than negatively. I have him on my radar in a type of way that I'm not going to let them slip by without scrutiny down the line.

I think everyone besides Lily has had some people shielding them at some point - also, the wagons on Lucy/Ruri took off much more easily than the one on Lily (which may not necessarily mean something because the one on Sabi took off too, but that was when she was near mechanically confirmed iirc?)
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Given the circumstances and composition I dknt think "the ruri wagon took off too fast" applies lol
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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I suppose. It still felt like people were stacking on without trying to scrutinize Falcon/Schia or figure out the details of your claim.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Are people like allergic to voting Lily though?

Who has Lily as town? Why?
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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I also think I reject the idea of lucy being clear despite what people are saying.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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@Schiavetto why did you decide to park on Lucy + not participate?

@falcon45ca is inactivity is usually your scum meta why are you town here?
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Yes inactivity is the Falcon scum lean. They dislike lying.

Re Nook's shit post, Ruri is to never be yeeted before Nook. I don't think Nook was under pressure enough to do this as wolf as well.

This effectively pulled Ruri from PoE which I can see as town sided.

That being pointed out, I would like to know @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why did you feel the need to isolate out Ruri following a doc claim?
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Why not, they already claimed
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:21 am Why not, they already claimed
I mean, I think they already claimed is the big one.

Second, if this was all a ploy, why Ruri who could have likely just dipped again?

I get creating data, but it just feels like it was an odd shot to shoot.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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DrWilgy wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:24 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:21 am Why not, they already claimed
I mean, I think they already claimed is the big one.

Second, if this was all a ploy, why Ruri who could have likely just dipped again?

I get creating data, but it just feels like it was an odd shot to shoot.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Aye, like I said, town sided. I just wish I could feel your intent better.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Okay I think Falcon's ISO is ~fine despite the lower activity.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:53 am Anyways I'm lying i have a motion detect, ruri either moved or was visited so they're probably just red lol
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Imagine two wolves fakeclaiming something and then going "jk I have a motion detect."
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:08 am Jack probably mafia lol, probably with one of falcon/schia/ruri
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falcon45ca wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:11 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:10 am Fyi, I'm not hard shielding Falcon at this point. But he is the easiest to read of that trio by far and I have a townlean on him and if he really is town, we should be able to know in a phase or two so it's never worth shrug maybe red check yeeting Falcon.
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falcon45ca wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:30 pm What's the case against Mac?



Went thru Lucy's ISO, and I'd vote that slot in a hot minute
He's in his wolf range.

He doesn't believe in any of his sr (hasn't moved his vote even tho he said anne cape and I are locked wolves).

Hasnt behaved like town Mac
Does Mac biff it that hard D1 as Maf? :ponder:



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Yes. He has been outted as maf D1 in like two games I have seen
Can you link those games, so that we may compare & contrast that Mac to this Mac?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37015

Mac was a wolf and nk N1 because he was outted D1.

Need to find the other game.
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Went thru Lucy's ISO, and I'd vote that slot in a hot minute
you'd be wrong once again lol
BFD, Town are wrong all the time.



What have you done that's the slightest bit Town? In your own words plz
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falcon45ca wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:30 pm What's the case against Mac?



Went thru Lucy's ISO, and I'd vote that slot in a hot minute
He's in his wolf range.

He doesn't believe in any of his sr (hasn't moved his vote even tho he said anne cape and I are locked wolves).

Hasnt behaved like town Mac
Does Mac biff it that hard D1 as Maf? :ponder:



Not IME
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Shiny armor may make for an easier target, eh?


Why does lucy need white knighting, what's the cause?
Reads like t!Falcon fire (even if it has fizzled out since D1) and you're arguing against people who have flipped scum or who I think are likely scum and you're arguing for players who have flipped town.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:14 am
obscurity wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:13 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:12 am Sure, flipping lily is fine

I think jack had a pretty outing reaction but
Can you explain this?

I'm willing to entertain it despite my own read because of Mac likely having more experience, though I have felt he's been consistently townie.
His reaction was awkward deflection
From who? You're saying Ruri is town.
obscurity wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:16 am His treatment around Ruri/ "this is what I was waiting for" stuff is admitted a bit strange in isolation. Not sure if that's what you mean, but.
obscurity wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:18 am Mostly because I'm the one who has been pinging Ruri to full claim all phase so I'm not sure why Jack was acting like he was waiting for the claim all phase so he could be like "aha, got you," when it hasn't actually felt that way.
I asked Ruri to clarify her claim right after she simply claimed doctor and she never answered. I'm not making up some shit that I've been waiting for all day. I've literally been waiting for it all day.
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Ruri wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:38 am I am doc. Vote someone else.
Regular doc or...?
I choose to not talk about it after that because that would only clue in a potential w!Ruri that would otherwise claim full doctor.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Hi, Neon. Where's your head at, Kpop idols aside?
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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obscurity wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:44 am @Schiavetto why did you decide to park on Lucy + not participate?

@falcon45ca is inactivity is usually your scum meta why are you town here?
It's normal to assume I could be Maf here, I've no objection to sus on my slot. It's well deserved.



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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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anne wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:09 am The only thing sus about Ruri is we know there’s a bodyguard so eh but two-shot doc could probably still reasonably exist
The one thing I'll say about Ruri and why I've stayed here is that I find it somewhat hard to believe that they forgot the site existed until the point they had obtained a multi vote wagon.

Like the timing of their remembering the game existed was awfully convenient.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Like honestly, Falcon, do you think a naked lone vote on Creature like 6 hours from eod does anything? At least weigh in on Lily/Ruri/Jack if you're not gonna vote there or case where you're voting.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:07 am This red was also fake lol

Ruri probably town obscurity probably town
Lmao. Never change.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:13 pm Hi, Neon. Where's your head at, Kpop idols aside?
No idea at this point lol probably just lily
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High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Neon wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:15 pm
anne wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:09 am The only thing sus about Ruri is we know there’s a bodyguard so eh but two-shot doc could probably still reasonably exist
The one thing I'll say about Ruri and why I've stayed here is that I find it somewhat hard to believe that they forgot the site existed until the point they had obtained a multi vote wagon.

Like the timing of their remembering the game existed was awfully convenient.
A lot of my actions across game history is convenient. I just pick up vibes.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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falcon45ca wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:13 pm
obscurity wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:44 am @Schiavetto why did you decide to park on Lucy + not participate?

@falcon45ca is inactivity is usually your scum meta why are you town here?
It's normal to assume I could be Maf here, I've no objection to sus on my slot. It's well deserved.



I'm town here cuz' of the rand.
Solid 10/10 defense.

But everytime I think Falcon is scum Falcon is town so we 180 my read and Falcon is town.
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High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
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Re: Hot Fuzz Mafia [Day 2]

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Ruri wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:26 pm
Neon wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:15 pm
anne wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:09 am The only thing sus about Ruri is we know there’s a bodyguard so eh but two-shot doc could probably still reasonably exist
The one thing I'll say about Ruri and why I've stayed here is that I find it somewhat hard to believe that they forgot the site existed until the point they had obtained a multi vote wagon.

Like the timing of their remembering the game existed was awfully convenient.
A lot of my actions across game history is convenient. I just pick up vibes.
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You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.

High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
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