Anniversary Game 2 - Moozik [MAFIA WIN]

[Valentine]

Ok u know what u get a pass if u root for drx

[risiinq-]

go drx

(i'm p neutral but it would be nice to see drx win)

(last game was t1 crushing drx tho :c)

[IBA]

I haven't played League ever but I did watch Arcane.

It feels like they really overpowered Jinx to the detriment of the story, and ironically her own character arc and development

[risiinq-]

from what i have gathered, the general poe everyone has is
{me, schia, iba}
add in some doom and some quas

mine specifically is
{quas, schia} for wolves
add in some iba

ok so first off why schia is wolf:
- weak day today. (MAIN FACTOR - their other days were actually fine ngl)
motivations for why: im p much "the hang" today
why that's not town: gives little to no reason to voting me (i found one post in the iso), no progression
more: little to no attempt to solve more than that, has some responsive big posts but it's only considering *possibilites* and not a real other wolfread commitment
- continuously dropping off (linking to the top point)
has not had by far the content they had d1 and the postcount
- bad claim
- dz??
why i'm hesitant: i have not read eod3 to see if dz changed opinion

i'm p confident i found schia as a wolf and i dont think anyone has any reason to townread them and i think most people wolfread them anyways
petit said something about not them being paired with guillo but honestly idt that holds much weight and that's all i've seen
so i hope everyone sees this
i can do a more elaborate case if someone requires it if not i wont

now, if schia is a wolf i'm never partnered with them:
- why: does not just drop a wolf on wolf partner and afk and not care -> i am the free lim for them
being in poe schia will not be able to win after i die

[risiinq-]

why my claim makes me town (or not wolf, i am aware i cannot prove i am not 3p rn)

- very stupid claim no wolf would make like who says "i have 1-shot and killed cape ok yay nothin else"
- makes sense for me to kill cape given my own read on cape at the time; i had read cape and guillo's iso at night and decided they were wolves performing in the posts that i thought could make them unpaired; guillo is good at that anyways
- why i cannot confirm i killed cape: unfortunately cape's role makes it so that they can die on their own as well, hence i cannot say that it is vertified i killed cape, and that i wouldn't have as wolf because i could've killed a top town (i was in no danger of being tracked/watched at the time imo bc i was still vibing)

[Inawordyes]

Are you just a 1x vig Snow, or do you have other elements of your role?

Why did you shoot Cape of all players?

[risiinq-]

thats it

i shot cape because as i said, i heavily scumread cape d1
u can fact check this urself

when i looked through isos i did not think cape was unpaired with guillo and anything that could have been said to be "unpaired" i just credited to "wolf theatre" because i know guillo kinda does that stuff

i did not rly wolfread anyone else

so yea

[DaughterOfOmega]

Sup fam

[IBA]

from what i have gathered, the general poe everyone has is
{me, schia, iba}
add in some doom and some quas

mine specifically is
{quas, schia} for wolves
add in some iba

ok so first off why schia is wolf:
- weak day today. (MAIN FACTOR - their other days were actually fine ngl)
motivations for why: im p much "the hang" today
why that's not town: gives little to no reason to voting me (i found one post in the iso), no progression
more: little to no attempt to solve more than that, has some responsive big posts but it's only considering *possibilites* and not a real other wolfread commitment
- continuously dropping off (linking to the top point)
has not had by far the content they had d1 and the postcount
- bad claim
- dz??
why i'm hesitant: i have not read eod3 to see if dz changed opinion

i'm p confident i found schia as a wolf and i dont think anyone has any reason to townread them and i think most people wolfread them anyways
petit said something about not them being paired with guillo but honestly idt that holds much weight and that's all i've seen
so i hope everyone sees this
i can do a more elaborate case if someone requires it if not i wont

now, if schia is a wolf i'm never partnered with them:
- why: does not just drop a wolf on wolf partner and afk and not care -> i am the free lim for them
being in poe schia will not be able to win after i die

I'm strugglign to think of a day when schia was "fine" lmao. They've been spewing scum basically constantly

Unvote for now. I mean probably coming back to this wagon tbh but since we, sadly, apparently have another day or so to go I might as well think about this.

God forbid we actually use the hammer and make my role relevant

[IBA]

Sup fam

Watching flat earth debunking videos

You?

[DaughterOfOmega]

I found Schia as wolf in literally four post in a recent mash

Wish I found them that easily this time

[risiinq-]

I'm strugglign to think of a day when schia was "fine" lmao. They've been spewing scum basically constantly

to be complketely objective they were ok day 1 and when i looked for meta to compare they were fine. but yea

[IBA]

I'm strugglign to think of a day when schia was "fine" lmao. They've been spewing scum basically constantly

to be complketely objective they were ok day 1 and when i looked for meta to compare they were fine. but yea

Given the floating Dopp effect a strong d1 performance followed by a sudden dropoff is NAI at best.

[LordQuas]

@risiinq- why holster your 1-shot vig n1 and then fire it n2 after we skipped the day phase? that seems incredibly odd to me

[IBA]

@risiinq- why holster your 1-shot vig n1 and then fire it n2 after we skipped the day phase? that seems incredibly odd to me

Good question

Different question tho: has your ability been confirmed in anyway? Who did you target before now?

[DaughterOfOmega]

I'm confused though. Does this mean no SK exists?

Three deaths, I am one of them, and if Rising is true, then there is only one other kill.

Does this mean there was another save or they stacked on someone?

[LordQuas]

@risiinq- why holster your 1-shot vig n1 and then fire it n2 after we skipped the day phase? that seems incredibly odd to me

Good question

Different question tho: has your ability been confirmed in anyway? Who did you target before now?

nut d1 as was talked about itt
deezees d3. was basically hoping to win NK odds against him / windward / sabi since idt anyone at the time had claimed a useful night action that i wasn't dubious of

[DaughterOfOmega]

THIS GAME IS BORING

I NEED DEATHS

[risiinq-]

I'm confused though. Does this mean no SK exists?

Three deaths, I am one of them, and if Rising is true, then there is only one other kill.

Does this mean there was another save or they stacked on someone?

i'm confused as well

because i heard about an attempted kill on chelsea as well apparently which makes TWO unaccounted for kills n1

[risiinq-]

@risiinq- why holster your 1-shot vig n1 and then fire it n2 after we skipped the day phase? that seems incredibly odd to me

i wasn't feeling confident about game and n2 decided i wanted to just use the vig shot to clear poe

like i havent really been dedicated to this game due to time issues and im sorry about that

i mightve shot n1 but i was way too busy and didnt have time to decide

but i saw 3 town deaths night 1 in which they were all kinda bizarre and so i shot what was my most confident wolfread

[risiinq-]

does anyone wanna explain to me why petit is clear btw?

just checking

[Chelsea]

does anyone wanna explain to me why petit is clear btw?

just checking

The only clears in the game are me and Valentine. (Don't give me that 1% chance blah blah blah speech I'll go into detail if needed)

Then you have the next row of Quas/petit who have townie roles and actions. Quas being a motivator could be a wolf with an extra power to it and petit's if anything is SK because that's not a maf role but both have used their roles in such a townie manner it's very unlikely imo if you wanna debate this by all means.

Then we have the rest of IAWY/you/Schia/IBA/Snow all with non conf roles and is just the most classic of "well in mafia terms this person is scummy and this person is townie" combined with questionable role actions.

[Chelsea]

Before anyone goes "Quas role isn't proven" he softed it to me D1 and asked me and if he's a wolf faking that I obviously out him D2 unless you think he's mafia who nk'd me n1 anyway but that's ???
petit I can see someone calling that a SK role to use the dead powers of people but even if you want to go down that route we're putting petit in a spot where they're going to protect the two clears or out themselves.

Any questions?

[DaughterOfOmega]

@Inawordyes



This was the last time I ever heard about you until a couple days ago. (I am deleted user)

it's been 4 years brother, I've missed you

[Chelsea]

I also just find it hard to believe on a personal level that all of Schia/IAWY/petit are villagers given the sheer amount of invest power.
Snow's role is a 1 shot vig when we already have a 2 shot spam vig and their action is like...screaming coincidental.
Oh yeah I forgot Doom you could argue Doom is extra KP and that explains the missing NK and that's prob the most "theory" like answer I'm willing to personally entertain but I really wanna just hear the thoughts.

[risiinq-]

im basically entertaining the notion that petit is wolf rn bc i was under the apparently false impression that petit had been greenchecked.

[risiinq-]

whats petit claimed?

[risiinq-]

I also just find it hard to believe on a personal level that all of Schia/IAWY/petit are villagers given the sheer amount of invest power.
Snow's role is a 1 shot vig when we already have a 2 shot spam vig and their action is like...screaming coincidental.
Oh yeah I forgot Doom you could argue Doom is extra KP and that explains the missing NK and that's prob the most "theory" like answer I'm willing to personally entertain but I really wanna just hear the thoughts.

it really is annoying that cape coulda died to themselves tbh and i get that

it wouldd be kinda funny if they killed themselves and i killed them at the same time but like

why would i claim smth like 1-shot vig when there are much more better options, i just think that if you approach it from that angle it doesnt make sense

[risiinq-]

oh yeah, petit uses actions of dead people

is it all of the dead people? if so isn't that like too OP lol

[risiinq-]

like also i honestly am close to clearing iawy because i thinkt hey've been pretty towny ever since they upped their game and like yea

[DaughterOfOmega]

If I do not die tonight, there's a chance I do not post much for the rest of this game.

I've become very sad and dark tonight, but will finish this day out and see how I come around in the next 36 hours.

[Le petit poussin]

im basically entertaining the notion that petit is wolf rn bc i was under the apparently false impression that petit had been greenchecked.

why are you entertaining this? Would you walk us through the read?

[Le petit poussin]

Well take care of yourself DoOm. This is a game afterall. dw about it smh

[risiinq-]

i have to go sleep.

pls consider everyhing i have said, look at meta, look at other people if ur town

i will accept my death if need be but prefer not to die

pls dont just walk into a hang

if i die, it was a good game and gl ig

legacy is to reconsider petit hard

schia/quas lookat the most

iba and iawy decently towny but obv not on same level as the clears, valentine/chelsea

doom never wolf but idk about 3p

will try to get on tmr but who knows

[Inawordyes]

@Inawordyes



This was the last time I ever heard about you until a couple days ago. (I am deleted user)

it's been 4 years brother, I've missed you

Yeah, I started playing Survivor ORGs, had a really bad run in my first season played, and then kinda peaced out from the internet for a long while to focus on becoming a better person. I'd like to think I did a decent-enough job at that

[Le petit poussin]

@Serial Killer: can you win with town? (do you actually need to be the last man standing?) if so, how about you claim and we arrange a joint win (u shoot whoever we say you shoot and we don't chop you)?

don't mind me if that's stupid (I am new so dunno which flavor of SK is popular around here)

[Le petit poussin]

[Le petit poussin]

Also keep feeding me with good ideas for NAs, I might just sheep you!

@Chelsea: I can only use each ability once, so I can't watch 2 people, even if motivated.

[ColinIsCool]

[VOTE: riisinq] aubergine I’m not gonna be around for rest of day so hammers up

[IBA]

@Serial Killer: can you win with town? (do you actually need to be the last man standing?) if so, how about you claim and we arrange a joint win (u shoot whoever we say you shoot and we don't chop you)?

don't mind me if that's stupid (I am new so dunno which flavor of SK is popular around here)

...what version of SK can ever win with town? That would just be a vig

[IBA]

No offense rising but I'm not super impressed here.

I'm the 5th vote; anyone else who votes at this point is the hammer

[LordQuas]

Before anyone goes "Quas role isn't proven" he softed it to me D1 and asked me and if he's a wolf faking that I obviously out him D2 unless you think he's mafia who nk'd me n1 anyway but that's ???
petit I can see someone calling that a SK role to use the dead powers of people but even if you want to go down that route we're putting petit in a spot where they're going to protect the two clears or out themselves.

Any questions?

i think better proof for my role is that i targeted nutella d1 and nutella was NKed until n2 which wolves would have had no way of knowing it was coming

[LordQuas]

i've kinda come around to schia being the most likely wolf in this position over risiinq

[LordQuas]

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

i'll try to be on as much as i can today for as long as it lasts but i have company over in 2 hours for a party thing that's going until well after EoD and i'm still in bed

[LordQuas]

@risiinq- if me and schia are your wolfreads why are you voting petit

[Schiavetto]

(Because I am town and snow is not)

[Schiavetto]

Snow's posts are the words of someone who knows enough to lean into consensus-adjacent POE but whose position has no basis in any actual beliefs (because they're made up lol)

[Schiavetto]

First thing that leaps out is the schia/quas stance - if snow really does believe I'm scum she should have much larger (and more defined) concerns within the group of me/her/Iawy

[Schiavetto]

This is also a much larger gripe that I've tried to ignore for the sake of Making Good Time Investments, but a fun exercise would be to go through folks' professed issues with my slot and pick out how often tone/awkwardness is cited with no actual steps to contextualize it, either w/i the gamestate/thread environment or w/i any larger corpus of Posts By Schiavetto

&to the extent that someone might reasonably be sheeping DeeZ, I'd expect clearer steps to weed out the places where he was
a) outright lying
b) demonstrably wrong and left pushback unchecked in pursuit of confbias

[Schiavetto]

unrelated note: @Inawordyes hope you can find some mild amusement at a second year of "Schia Gets Scumread While Enjoying His Birthday Weekend Instead of Towntelling", I know I have!