Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[Alison]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

how do you figure

Because his push on me sucked.

Also because I am now open to the possibility of Chamomile being town and if that is true then Ender has been doing nothing but opportunistically pushing town all game while letting other people take the fall for it, and also just having bad content in general (which I scumread him for earlier).

[MacDougall]

srsly I haven't voted anyone

I am pushing porscha

and I'm not in chaos

what a hilariously overreactive meme of a post

[Alison]

aight im doming ilario today

Ur doing a great job of honoring aros legacy

You’ve somehow managed to vote his tr, ignore his srs, and manage to descent into chaos in a manner of minutes lol

I’m just going to solve around you then

we dome these

Let's skip past the requisite 5 pages of dick-waving before you both admit you never actually had the intention to thunderdome and go back to solving like a normal person.

[Millium]

no way im voting Santy, he is one of my strongest town leans

[Alison]

I think it is very likely arogame had accurate reads.

[Millium]

also what is outting for Alison I dont get it, and I've didn't read that game

[Porscha]

actually nvm i like porscha's vibe these pages

the questions are directionless antagonism lol

need to see more from her but im not gonna condemn her yet

must be nice to think i'm the one advocating for directionless antagonism but you get to make condescending remarks towards me while you get TR'd for free and I get SR'd for free

sweet power wolf and way to take advantage of aro's flip, bud

lily I didn't see any of your recent posts, can you give me a broad view of your ideas rn

so you scumread me?

honestly your tone is just making me a little angry so I might be an omgus gremlin right now, but depending on how you 180'd on aro's slot I will be taking that into consideration to determine if you're actually just trying to take advantage of his bad read on me to loudly push me over today and keep your hands clean by saying "well it's aro's fault on the read"

because I think a wolf mac who wants to keep the ball rolling could easily throw me under the bus b/c you will always be much louder than I am and I am easily exploitable

well that's all fair and if there is one thing I do enjoy doing it's exploiting porscha

I am trying so hard to not make sex jokes to this

I think you generally have a pretty good read on me so I have to wonder why it's failing you this time and one of those options is that I am expendable to you and the set up from aro would be impeccably useful for you

[EnderWiggin]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

how do you figure

Because his push on me sucked.

Also because I am now open to the possibility of Chamomile being town and if that is true then Ender has been doing nothing but opportunistically pushing town all game while letting other people take the fall for it, and also just having bad content in general (which I scumread him for earlier).

Porscha, your scumread, has been my biggest push all game.

You were one of the people that talked me OFF Porscha ON to Aro.

Don't fucking put that on me unless you're just going to TMI Porscha town while you're at it.

[MacDougall]

I think it is very likely arogame had accurate reads.

arogame had you as a wolf tho

[EnderWiggin]

I think it is very likely arogame had accurate reads.

"My biggest scumread is Ender, who Aro hard-townread and told people to not go after."

"Also Aro probably had accurate reads."

[MacDougall]

the questions are directionless antagonism lol

need to see more from her but im not gonna condemn her yet

must be nice to think i'm the one advocating for directionless antagonism but you get to make condescending remarks towards me while you get TR'd for free and I get SR'd for free

sweet power wolf and way to take advantage of aro's flip, bud

lily I didn't see any of your recent posts, can you give me a broad view of your ideas rn

so you scumread me?

honestly your tone is just making me a little angry so I might be an omgus gremlin right now, but depending on how you 180'd on aro's slot I will be taking that into consideration to determine if you're actually just trying to take advantage of his bad read on me to loudly push me over today and keep your hands clean by saying "well it's aro's fault on the read"

because I think a wolf mac who wants to keep the ball rolling could easily throw me under the bus b/c you will always be much louder than I am and I am easily exploitable

well that's all fair and if there is one thing I do enjoy doing it's exploiting porscha

I am trying so hard to not make sex jokes to this

I think you generally have a pretty good read on me so I have to wonder why it's failing you this time and one of those options is that I am expendable to you and the set up from aro would be impeccably useful for you

do you think ur d1 hit the town standards I'd need to lock town you like I usually do?

[MacDougall]

why is cham very likely town btw al?

[Porscha]

I think it is very likely arogame had accurate reads.

if aro had accurate reads, (obviously I disagree on myself),

you think he was fear killed by wolves on his wagon or pushing threadstate? what does your statement conclude with? what's the purpose of this statement?

[MacDougall]

ilario is howling idc what Alison says

[Alison]

I think it is very likely arogame had accurate reads.

arogame had you as a wolf tho

His specific read on me was to let me use my role to show I am town, which I was prevented from doing because of Nook.

But also even if he had a hard scumread on me I don't see anything wrong with saying I think he had accurate reads in general, even if he was wrong on one of them.

[Alison]

I think it is very likely arogame had accurate reads.

"My biggest scumread is Ender, who Aro hard-townread and told people to not go after."

"Also Aro probably had accurate reads."

I don't recall Aro shielding you at all. Quote the post?

[Lilypetal]

my migraine is bad i am leaving goodbye @MacDougall i think porscha is probably town from these recent posts whenever she sounds like that she's town

[Alison]

I think it is very likely arogame had accurate reads.

if aro had accurate reads, (obviously I disagree on myself),

you think he was fear killed by wolves on his wagon or pushing threadstate? what does your statement conclude with? what's the purpose of this statement?

My conclusion is that you should die.

Also I think he was accurate not because he was fear killed or whatever but simply because he is a good player that was very confident in his reads and was bottom POE (which means he gets a much more accurate view of the gamestate because he has a green check on himself).

[MacDougall]

my migraine is bad i am leaving goodbye @MacDougall i think porscha is probably town from these recent posts whenever she sounds like that she's town

sounds like what?

[santygrass]

Santy this is an unprecedented level of skill issue tbh, im not even mad im impressed

Im glad to be your guest

[Alison]

why is cham very likely town btw al?

I don't know if they're very likely town but I am very open to the possibility that they are.

Reasons would include:

1) I think Porscha is likely to be mafia and Cham wanted us to kill Porscha.
2) Wisp is more likely to be town (shielded hard by Aro + a significant reason to scumread Wisp, ie. the tag teaming with Aro and other assorted partnery interactions, is gone), and Cham wanted to shield Wisp.
3) Aro thought Cham was town (iirc, correct me if wrong).

[Alison]

I have a townread on dya because I thought their EOD treatment of Aro isn't as likely to come from a mafia.

[santygrass]

@Allison what happened to your Millium read?

And why is people wanting to sheep aro's reads more than spf reads?

What even is this game¿?¿?

[Porscha]

need to see more from her but im not gonna condemn her yet

must be nice to think i'm the one advocating for directionless antagonism but you get to make condescending remarks towards me while you get TR'd for free and I get SR'd for free

sweet power wolf and way to take advantage of aro's flip, bud

lily I didn't see any of your recent posts, can you give me a broad view of your ideas rn

so you scumread me?

honestly your tone is just making me a little angry so I might be an omgus gremlin right now, but depending on how you 180'd on aro's slot I will be taking that into consideration to determine if you're actually just trying to take advantage of his bad read on me to loudly push me over today and keep your hands clean by saying "well it's aro's fault on the read"

because I think a wolf mac who wants to keep the ball rolling could easily throw me under the bus b/c you will always be much louder than I am and I am easily exploitable

well that's all fair and if there is one thing I do enjoy doing it's exploiting porscha

I am trying so hard to not make sex jokes to this

I think you generally have a pretty good read on me so I have to wonder why it's failing you this time and one of those options is that I am expendable to you and the set up from aro would be impeccably useful for you

do you think ur d1 hit the town standards I'd need to lock town you like I usually do?

iirc you don't always locktown me day 1 regardless. do you think I always hit my day 1 "town standards" since I'm ML'd early on the regular? i'm not sure what exactly it is that you choose to consider my town standards. isn't it true that I'm frequently pushed day 1 for half ass lol catting and making a read and a half?

[santygrass]

Like, I am not underestimating aro reads at all or anything like that. But aro's read have been bringed up like 50 times already and spf ones almost nothing wowee

[Alison]

@Allison what happened to your Millium read?

And why is people wanting to sheep aro's reads more than spf reads?

What even is this game¿?¿?

See above.

SPF self admittedly didn't have many strong scumreads apart from Aro who flipped town. If you think a read of SPF's is worth signal boosting feel free to show it.

[santygrass]

Tilg / nook top of my head were slots that felt spf was wary of . Prob should ISO spf but uWu.

Also is a totally biased take because I am sussing Tilg and Nook regardless *dab*

[Alison]

I checked SPF's ISO and the last few reads she talked about are:

- Nook scum if Alison Wisp V/V: he has said he can't be killed today which I take as a hint that he will town it up and/or do something mech to prove himself, if he doesn't I'll get him tomorrow.

- Wisp town: already there.

- Aro mafia: already flipped.

- Illario town: already there.

Not sure what else I need to do to respect her legacy.

[santygrass]

nook hardpushing on alison but then shifting to wisp and saying "it's fine to kill him anyway" after he self-voted is outing for nook in a world where alison and wisp are V/V, bcuz it means he has done nothing today but wolfside and nook is generally not a wolfsider

maybe it isn't actually "outing" for nook but i think it would increase his maf/3p equity quite a bit

actually i take back whatever i said about nook being outed wolf, i just think he is most likely wolfsiding quite a bit today and that this increases his wolf equity by default

[Porscha]

I think it is very likely arogame had accurate reads.

if aro had accurate reads, (obviously I disagree on myself),

you think he was fear killed by wolves on his wagon or pushing threadstate? what does your statement conclude with? what's the purpose of this statement?

My conclusion is that you should die.

Also I think he was accurate not because he was fear killed or whatever but simply because he is a good player that was very confident in his reads and was bottom POE (which means he gets a much more accurate view of the gamestate because he has a green check on himself).

lol
1) aro is always a good and confident player but he is not infallible in his reads. like at this rate I should just start calling anybody I want to sheep for any reason, good or bad, a confident and good player so therefore reasons make sense.
2) bottom poe comment makes no sense and green check on himself also doesnt make sense. any town has a green check on themselves. how does that play into aro's reads at all?

I don't get what you are saying in the slightest and it feels kind of made up unless i'm just vastly misunderstanding what you are trying to say

[santygrass]

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

[Alison]

lol
1) aro is always a good and confident player but he is not infallible in his reads. like at this rate I should just start calling anybody I want to sheep for any reason, good or bad, a confident and good player so therefore reasons make sense.
2) bottom poe comment makes no sense and green check on himself also doesnt make sense. any town has a green check on themselves. how does that play into aro's reads at all?

I don't get what you are saying in the slightest and it feels kind of made up unless i'm just vastly misunderstanding what you are trying to say

1) I always respect the reads of dead town that I think are good. Anyone here who has played with me can attest to this. There are games where I do this more and there are games where I do this less but you shouldn't be surprised at me saying I want to sheep arogame at all.

2) Having a green check on a POE member is a lot more valuable than having a green check on someone everyone trusts. Plus people in the POE are the best equipped to figure out which of the people coming at them are genuine in their approach.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

[santygrass]

so anyway my towncore would probably be mac lily neon and rondo. im about to go to bed too and idk how much ill be around tomorrow cause ill be busy

Probably pure btw btw

[Millium]

not to shade Aro either, but I'd take their reads based on context
they are good but its not impossible for them to be wrong

[EnderWiggin]

why is cham very likely town btw al?

I don't know if they're very likely town but I am very open to the possibility that they are.

Reasons would include:

1) I think Porscha is likely to be mafia and Cham wanted us to kill Porscha.
2) Wisp is more likely to be town (shielded hard by Aro + a significant reason to scumread Wisp, ie. the tag teaming with Aro and other assorted partnery interactions, is gone), and Cham wanted to shield Wisp.
3) Aro thought Cham was town (iirc, correct me if wrong).

MAN if only I'd already quoted his legacy.

Here lemme do it again for you:

So, for town, we have mac/Ilario/Nanook/ender/Rondo/Lily

Don’t kill in there and we should be fine.

Below that, we have spf/neon/wisp where they need some attention but def not on high radar rn. Spf pushing me isn’t a good look but it’s fine, I trust her if she’s town to turn it around.

Alison mentioned she can inno herself so if she can’t do that, you just insta kill her, that simple.

Then we have the kill list:

You guys should kill Porscha, Tilg, Dya, Santy, Cham, and Seanzie.

You should always start with Porscha after me and go from there and evaluate, thanks!

Cham is on his "Kill" list.

I'm on the "Don't kill in the town list."

Lemme also quote all the other times towards EOD that he effectively defended me.

Like sure you can disagree with him, but what the hell is this murdering of his reads/legacy.

You can't say you think he's accurate and then misquote like half of his reads.

[santygrass]

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

[Alison]

Oh, I guess I was wrong.

Well Ender is fine for now then.

Cham goes back into POE.

[Alison]

Tilg being on both SPF and Aro scum lists is a bad look for them.

[santygrass]

@MacDougall remember the difference check stuff you were bringing D1 in regards to Lily votes? What happened to that read? Dont forget it pls carry town tyvm

[Alison]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall remember the difference check stuff you were bringing D1 in regards to Lily votes? What happened to that read? Dont forget it pls carry town tyvm

literally already mentioned it

please stop wasting thread real estate with redundancies

[MacDougall]

my biggest scumread is ilario

[EnderWiggin]

Hm. I actually thought Aro more actively called me towny second half of the day but it seems he didn't do it nearly as much as I thought. Huh.

[Porscha]

lol
1) aro is always a good and confident player but he is not infallible in his reads. like at this rate I should just start calling anybody I want to sheep for any reason, good or bad, a confident and good player so therefore reasons make sense.
2) bottom poe comment makes no sense and green check on himself also doesnt make sense. any town has a green check on themselves. how does that play into aro's reads at all?

I don't get what you are saying in the slightest and it feels kind of made up unless i'm just vastly misunderstanding what you are trying to say

1) I always respect the reads of dead town that I think are good. Anyone here who has played with me can attest to this. There are games where I do this more and there are games where I do this less but you shouldn't be surprised at me saying I want to sheep arogame at all.

2) Having a green check on a POE member is a lot more valuable than having a green check on someone everyone trusts. Plus people in the POE are the best equipped to figure out which of the people coming at them are genuine in their approach.

okay sure but the statements here are going in a circle. "I think aro had good reads" "why" "cuz he's a good player who was getting poe'd" "okay but good players can be incorrect" "well I think aro is a good player while looking up so his reads were good" and specifically in regards to me, aro had no equipment to figure out if I was coming at him from any approach since I never did in the first place. IMO aro doesn't understand the read I gave to lily, is unwilling to accept that it makes sense even with lily fighting him on it, I don't end up posting much cuz of irl timing for playing, therefore aro confbiases himself into some web where i'm frozen and crying in wolf chat instead of just realizing that he doesn't understand my dynamic with lily

so do you see how I don't understand your viewpoint leads to me.

[Alison]

lol
1) aro is always a good and confident player but he is not infallible in his reads. like at this rate I should just start calling anybody I want to sheep for any reason, good or bad, a confident and good player so therefore reasons make sense.
2) bottom poe comment makes no sense and green check on himself also doesnt make sense. any town has a green check on themselves. how does that play into aro's reads at all?

I don't get what you are saying in the slightest and it feels kind of made up unless i'm just vastly misunderstanding what you are trying to say

1) I always respect the reads of dead town that I think are good. Anyone here who has played with me can attest to this. There are games where I do this more and there are games where I do this less but you shouldn't be surprised at me saying I want to sheep arogame at all.

2) Having a green check on a POE member is a lot more valuable than having a green check on someone everyone trusts. Plus people in the POE are the best equipped to figure out which of the people coming at them are genuine in their approach.

okay sure but the statements here are going in a circle. "I think aro had good reads" "why" "cuz he's a good player who was getting poe'd" "okay but good players can be incorrect" "well I think aro is a good player while looking up so his reads were good" and specifically in regards to me, aro had no equipment to figure out if I was coming at him from any approach since I never did in the first place. IMO aro doesn't understand the read I gave to lily, is unwilling to accept that it makes sense even with lily fighting him on it, I don't end up posting much cuz of irl timing for playing, therefore aro confbiases himself into some web where i'm frozen and crying in wolf chat instead of just realizing that he doesn't understand my dynamic with lily

so do you see how I don't understand your viewpoint leads to me.

I don't care if good players can be wrong? It's a meaningless statement that's not going to stop me from sheeping the reads of someone I think is likely to be correct. And you giving all the arguments in the world about why aro was wrong about you doesn't change that. I also provided several specific reasons why aro is likely to have good reads.

[Alison]

Like imagine if I said "I want to sheep Newcomb he's usually right" and you're like "but Newcomb can be wrong" and I'm like "I don't care, everyone has been wrong at some point, I'm going to follow the read I think is most likely to be correct"

[santygrass]

@Allison why did you treat yesterday Seven as outed wolf if they were going to vote you but not nanook?

[santygrass]

I have skill issue mac I missed it idk how to read

[Alison]

@Allison why did you treat yesterday Seven as outed wolf if they were going to vote you but not nanook?

Because Nanook has experiences with me that makes him more likely to want to deny my role, including a game where I was a 3P that claimed post 1 and killed everyone because I was allowed to do my thing too long.