Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[MacDougall]

@Alison if you had 3 dayvigs who do you flip for max mafia death potential?

Tilg Porscha Santy

Be surprised if that doesn't yield a ripe harvest of pelts

@santygrass how does that make u feel bruv

[MacDougall]

Town

Belzy
Ender
Ilario
Millium
Nanook
Porscha
Santy
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Wolves

Alison
Cham
Dya
Lily
Neon

Fuck knows

Rondo

Currently feels like the best solve I've had so far.

[Alison]

Town

Belzy
Ender
Ilario
Millium
Nanook
Porscha
Santy
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Wolves

Alison
Cham
Dya
Lily
Neon

Fuck knows

Rondo

Currently feels like the best solve I've had so far.

This is a troll solve right

[MacDougall]

Town

Belzy
Ender
Ilario
Millium
Nanook
Porscha
Santy
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Wolves

Alison
Cham
Dya
Lily
Neon

Fuck knows

Rondo

Currently feels like the best solve I've had so far.

This is a troll solve right

Do you like it?

[Seanzie]

Town

Belzy
Ender
Ilario
Millium
Nanook
Porscha
Santy
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Wolves

Alison
Cham
Dya
Lily
Neon

Fuck knows

Rondo

Currently feels like the best solve I've had so far.

How familiar are you with Erika?

[MacDougall]

I have no idea who Erika is lol.

[Seanzie]

I have no idea who Erika is lol.

Then why is she at the top of your readslist?

(this is a sassy way of saying that Belzy is Erika)

How familiar are you with Belzy?

[MacDougall]

I asked Alison to give me 3 names for max pelt and they did not include Cham.

I cannot envision town Alison watching Cham do what they are doing and not viewing them as the number 1 must pelt player in the game. If you have any familiarity with Alison I invite arguments predicated on logic.

[Alison]

Town

Belzy
Ender
Ilario
Millium
Nanook
Porscha
Santy
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Wolves

Alison
Cham
Dya
Lily
Neon

Fuck knows

Rondo

Currently feels like the best solve I've had so far.

This is a troll solve right

Do you like it?

Obviously not since I'm in the wolves list and my top scumreads arent and I called it a troll solve

[MacDougall]

I have no idea who Erika is lol.

Then why is she at the top of your readslist?

(this is a sassy way of saying that Belzy is Erika)

How familiar are you with Belzy?

Because it's alphabetical

[MacDougall]

Town

Belzy
Ender
Ilario
Millium
Nanook
Porscha
Santy
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Wolves

Alison
Cham
Dya
Lily
Neon

Fuck knows

Rondo

Currently feels like the best solve I've had so far.

This is a troll solve right

Do you like it?

Obviously not since I'm in the wolves list and my top scumreads arent and I called it a troll solve

I think it's pretty nifty. I particularly like where I put Rondo. Quite stylish if you ask me.

[Alison]

Okay Mac.

[Seanzie]

I have no idea who Erika is lol.

Then why is she at the top of your readslist?

(this is a sassy way of saying that Belzy is Erika)

How familiar are you with Belzy?

Because it's alphabetical

That... I can't argue with that.

[santygrass]

Me shielding alison so hard today and them dont caring in the slightlest to pocket me should be town indicative I think

If you stay on this Alison town business, we'll have to come for you next when she flips red, my friend

I don't want that so please stop this and help me in the search for One Piece

Then engage with me with why are they mafia.

The way they claimed, how they misinterlreted their role, their overall reads I felt towny.

Why are they mafia? Lets not reoeat SDN Seven. Unexplained reads only lead to Skill Issue tbh

[Alison]

Anyway you should stop voting me on the basis of a nonexistent hypothetical red check from someone who is probably 3P or mafia and instead vote actual mafia like Porscha.

[MacDougall]

Town

Belzy
Ender
Ilario
Millium
Nanook
Porscha
Santy
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Wolves

Alison
Cham
Dya
Lily
Neon

Fuck knows

Rondo

Thing is like the reads of the rest of the game are heavily implying I need to take Ilario to be town. If I take Ilario to be town then I need to assume he's accurate on a fair chunk of his reads (not necessarily all) and if Ilario is town... Neon is very likely just mafia expecially.

Cham is doing nothing pro town except howling about wanting Alison to die. I know Alison. Town Alison would be all "well fuck you policy chop etc. etc." but instead was like "i think cham is a 3p with a separate wincon like wtf is that".

Dya ... I'm not sold on being a wolf but for the purposes of making a cool list I put them here. I feel like Dya and Alison have been largely trying to steer me. Dya hasn't been speaking to me like a town speaks to a townread. Also don't super vibe with their reads and their read on Alison felt fake.

The real style points belong to the Tilgarial/Lily switch. Let's assume for a second that TIlgarial is in fact, not mafia. I know, crazy. But in worlds where the rest of this solve is accurate, they probably just aren't due to the way alison is handling them. Coupled with the fact that they are not just removed from the poll but the thread entirely, and really it makes no sense at all to see tham as mafia cuz like, doing this is about the worst thing that could have happened to Tilgarial in terms of how they are being perceived.

If Tilgarial is town, that means that trichotomy we been going on about actually ends up pure and spews Lilypetal as mafia. Lilypetal hasn't really been all that towny, has fallen off today and has a really bad interaction with Porscha.

I reread Porscha and felt like they were a bit towny which also influenced all of this.

That's the braining.

[Chamomile]

I asked Alison to give me 3 names for max pelt and they did not include Cham.

I cannot envision town Alison watching Cham do what they are doing and not viewing them as the number 1 must pelt player in the game. If you have any familiarity with Alison I invite arguments predicated on logic.

100% Agree. Alison is far outside her town meta!

[santygrass]

@Alison if you had 3 dayvigs who do you flip for max mafia death potential?

Tilg Porscha Santy

Be surprised if that doesn't yield a ripe harvest of pelts

@santygrass how does that make u feel bruv

Already said it. The treatment irt to me doesnt feel like wolfy considering how I am shielding them ino.

But I skimmed over your point of Alison not trying to pelt off of cham and I think its a fair point fwiw

[MacDougall]

Irt Lily, if you look at what Lily has dedicated attention to today it's.

Yo I def don't townread Neon anymore (cuz an MU game ended where Neon was like queen of woofs).
Porscha feels town idgi why ppl sus Porscha.

I had the opposite reads, the only one Lily actually fought me on was Porscha. Lily has TMI on Porscha town and is teammates with Neon, was trying to distance but didn't want to disrupt me being a loser that's townreading Neon.

[MacDougall]

@Chamomile you could get yourself out of this solve if you had a mech or strong reason to suspect Alison. If not I am just going to assume that your entire agenda in this game to date has been to just spew Alison town and try to kill yourself in the process.

[MacDougall]

Over to you, internet.

[Alison]

My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

[santygrass]

Nah Mac, I think you are surely wrong on your read on Lily and I will hard shield her she's the queen of this town

[Chamomile]

uz an MU game ended where Neon was like queen of woofs

Is Neon Princess Abbi?

If so they can help me in the search for one piece!!!

[santygrass]

What pinged you as towny from Porscha specifically btw?

[Chamomile]

@Chamomile you could get yourself out of this solve if you had a mech or strong reason to suspect Alison. If not I am just going to assume that your entire agenda in this game to date has been to just spew Alison town and try to kill yourself in the process.

I don't care! You thought the same sort of convoluted stuff with me and Aro. A god does not concern themselves with such trivialities!

[Chamomile]

My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

Yeah that's super convoluted. Basically you have TMI that I'm not mafia but you actually do think I'm scummy so you think I'm 3P!

[santygrass]

@Chamomile you could get yourself out of this solve if you had a mech or strong reason to suspect Alison. If not I am just going to assume that your entire agenda in this game to date has been to just spew Alison town and try to kill yourself in the process.

Also, I would 100% send you to wash the dishes (to put it nicely) if you would say a read in me in that way.

Like , saying that someone is playing in a wolfy and suicidal way its... Super demoralizing IMO.
Like ffs not all players approach the game the same way as you and I hate when people do these kind of reads that usually just insult how a slot plays the game. Seven is clearly not playing in a suicidal way LMAO.

Rant over

[MacDougall]

Nah Mac, I think you are surely wrong on your read on Lily and I will hard shield her she's the queen of this town

You are townreading SO many slots you surely must have like a near perfect POE. What is it?

[ilario]

Illario is literally just a god and tilted aro into both outing that he is mafia and outing that he is tilted that Illario called out both mafia. There for Wisp is also mafia. Nanook is spewed town for saying there's one in Wisp Alison because it would spotlight his partner for no reason. Rondo is the 4th mafia for reasons described above.

Game is solved. Let's go home.

I think I will note being out a super secret read that will be difficult to explain without breaking the rules lol

Okay. I have mech reason to simultaneously believe that Alison is both being truthful about at least parts of their role and that they are town. But at the same time I feel like parts of how they brought about explaining their role felt like a direct violation of the things I know. But by and large I think it is mechanically more likely that Alison is town than scum.

I also suck at mech so I've been holding onto this.

Eh fuck it. I'll respect Mac's read that it could be Aro W and Wisp V.

As well as the fact that all of dyachei + Ender + Alison + Mac + SPF thinks that Aro is howling which means this is as close to an actual red check as it is possible to be.

[VOTE: Arogame] aubergine

No more vote switches after this, I have a reputation to maintain.

Ppl who played the last game Alison was mafia in should know this is outing.

What was Alison's exact claim again?

this exists btw.

[santygrass]

Nah Mac, I think you are surely wrong on your read on Lily and I will hard shield her she's the queen of this town

You are townreading SO many slots you surely must have like a near perfect POE. What is it?

You quoted my PoE and asked for reasons on it.

I said it was because I had a lot more townreads out of it.
I'm glad that you come to the same conclussions as me eventually

[MacDougall]

@Chamomile you could get yourself out of this solve if you had a mech or strong reason to suspect Alison. If not I am just going to assume that your entire agenda in this game to date has been to just spew Alison town and try to kill yourself in the process.

Also, I would 100% send you to wash the dishes (to put it nicely) if you would say a read in me in that way.

Like , saying that someone is playing in a wolfy and suicidal way its... Super demoralizing IMO.
Like ffs not all players approach the game the same way as you and I hate when people do these kind of reads that usually just insult how a slot plays the game. Seven is clearly not playing in a suicidal way LMAO.

Rant over

If you are town, you have been nothing but a hindrance to me in this game with your endless rebuking without stating any reason predicated on bad reasons. You are like a gnat. If you are town I would encourage you to rectify your approach to mafia as a villager because you persistently go through this process of being extra wolf for the first few days and then finding yourself in the POE in the mid game having stated awful reads, forced to reevaluate from behind. It is a consistent pattern.

[MacDougall]

Nah Mac, I think you are surely wrong on your read on Lily and I will hard shield her she's the queen of this town

You are townreading SO many slots you surely must have like a near perfect POE. What is it?

You quoted my PoE and asked for reasons on it.

I said it was because I had a lot more townreads out of it.
I'm glad that you come to the same conclussions as me eventually

List it. What is your POE.

[santygrass]

Illario is literally just a god and tilted aro into both outing that he is mafia and outing that he is tilted that Illario called out both mafia. There for Wisp is also mafia. Nanook is spewed town for saying there's one in Wisp Alison because it would spotlight his partner for no reason. Rondo is the 4th mafia for reasons described above.

Game is solved. Let's go home.

I think I will note being out a super secret read that will be difficult to explain without breaking the rules lol

Okay. I have mech reason to simultaneously believe that Alison is both being truthful about at least parts of their role and that they are town. But at the same time I feel like parts of how they brought about explaining their role felt like a direct violation of the things I know. But by and large I think it is mechanically more likely that Alison is town than scum.

I also suck at mech so I've been holding onto this.

Eh fuck it. I'll respect Mac's read that it could be Aro W and Wisp V.

As well as the fact that all of dyachei + Ender + Alison + Mac + SPF thinks that Aro is howling which means this is as close to an actual red check as it is possible to be.

[VOTE: Arogame] aubergine

No more vote switches after this, I have a reputation to maintain.

Ppl who played the last game Alison was mafia in should know this is outing.

What was Alison's exact claim again?

this exists btw.

This feels more towny than scummy tho

[Alison]

My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

Yeah that's super convoluted. Basically you have TMI that I'm not mafia but you actually do think I'm scummy so you think I'm 3P!

It's called being good at the game

[MacDougall]

Let me say one time. There is nothing I hate more in a mafia game, than a townie that shields stronger players than them for bad reasons. I fucking HATE it.

[Chamomile]

If Neon is Princes Abbi then they are super obv wolf confirmed!

Which means I guess they can't join my one piece crew :/

[MacDougall]

If Neon is Princes Abbi then they are super obv wolf confirmed!

Which means I guess they can't join my one piece crew :/

Neon is Princess Neon on MU.

[santygrass]

Belzy
Rondo
Porscha
Nanook
1 in Seanzie/Dyachei

Thats the PoE

Tilg is in shoot and reassess later atm too

[MacDougall]

Actually I'm gonna spend the next half hour ranting about all the things bad town do in games that piss me off. Enjoy.

[Chamomile]

My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

Yeah that's super convoluted. Basically you have TMI that I'm not mafia but you actually do think I'm scummy so you think I'm 3P!

It's called being good at the game

You sure sound like you believe it!

/s

[santygrass]

Actually I'm gonna spend the next half hour ranting about all the things bad town do in games that piss me off. Enjoy.

So i can go to sleep and not have to read thread ?

[MacDougall]

Belzy
Rondo
Porscha
Nanook
1 in Seanzie/Dyachei

Thats the PoE

Tilg is in shoot and reassess later atm too

Yeah cool maybe except.

Belzy is obvious town.

Rondo is rand.

Porscha is probably spewed clear by multiple slots townreading her for bad reasons.

Nanook is town for Alison related reasons I already stated.

And there are so many level 1 wolfy slots missing off this list that it blows my fucken mind.

Seanzie/Dya might contain one but of all the possible dichotomies you have in this game that's the one you pick?

[Alison]

My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

Yeah that's super convoluted. Basically you have TMI that I'm not mafia but you actually do think I'm scummy so you think I'm 3P!

It's called being good at the game

You sure sound like you believe it!

/s

And you sound like you're unhappy I called out your exact alignment

[ilario]

Illario is literally just a god and tilted aro into both outing that he is mafia and outing that he is tilted that Illario called out both mafia. There for Wisp is also mafia. Nanook is spewed town for saying there's one in Wisp Alison because it would spotlight his partner for no reason. Rondo is the 4th mafia for reasons described above.

Game is solved. Let's go home.

I think I will note being out a super secret read that will be difficult to explain without breaking the rules lol

Okay. I have mech reason to simultaneously believe that Alison is both being truthful about at least parts of their role and that they are town. But at the same time I feel like parts of how they brought about explaining their role felt like a direct violation of the things I know. But by and large I think it is mechanically more likely that Alison is town than scum.

I also suck at mech so I've been holding onto this.

Eh fuck it. I'll respect Mac's read that it could be Aro W and Wisp V.

As well as the fact that all of dyachei + Ender + Alison + Mac + SPF thinks that Aro is howling which means this is as close to an actual red check as it is possible to be.

[VOTE: Arogame] aubergine

No more vote switches after this, I have a reputation to maintain.

Ppl who played the last game Alison was mafia in should know this is outing.

What was Alison's exact claim again?

this exists btw.

This feels more towny than scummy tho

no it doesnt. she clearly would have had to thought about alisons role a good deal on d1 for her to come to the conclusion that alison is mech cleared for her role. i highly doubt she just forgets alisons claim like that given the amount of thought she implies she had given the claim in the first quote.

[Chamomile]

My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

Yeah that's super convoluted. Basically you have TMI that I'm not mafia but you actually do think I'm scummy so you think I'm 3P!

It's called being good at the game

You sure sound like you believe it!

/s

And you sound like you're unhappy I called out your exact alignment

#onepiece!!!

[santygrass]

Belzy
Rondo
Porscha
Nanook
1 in Seanzie/Dyachei

Thats the PoE

Tilg is in shoot and reassess later atm too

Yeah cool maybe except.

Belzy is obvious town.

Rondo is rand.

Porscha is probably spewed clear by multiple slots townreading her for bad reasons.

Nanook is town for Alison related reasons I already stated.

And there are so many level 1 wolfy slots missing off this list that it blows my fucken mind.

Seanzie/Dya might contain one but of all the possible dichotomies you have in this game that's the one you pick?

Why is Belzy obvtown?

Why are Porscha spewed town and not shielded by partners?

I read your reasons on nook and its part of the reason on why I unvoted fwiw

[santygrass]

Illario is literally just a god and tilted aro into both outing that he is mafia and outing that he is tilted that Illario called out both mafia. There for Wisp is also mafia. Nanook is spewed town for saying there's one in Wisp Alison because it would spotlight his partner for no reason. Rondo is the 4th mafia for reasons described above.

Game is solved. Let's go home.

I think I will note being out a super secret read that will be difficult to explain without breaking the rules lol

Okay. I have mech reason to simultaneously believe that Alison is both being truthful about at least parts of their role and that they are town. But at the same time I feel like parts of how they brought about explaining their role felt like a direct violation of the things I know. But by and large I think it is mechanically more likely that Alison is town than scum.

I also suck at mech so I've been holding onto this.

Eh fuck it. I'll respect Mac's read that it could be Aro W and Wisp V.

As well as the fact that all of dyachei + Ender + Alison + Mac + SPF thinks that Aro is howling which means this is as close to an actual red check as it is possible to be.

[VOTE: Arogame] aubergine

No more vote switches after this, I have a reputation to maintain.

Ppl who played the last game Alison was mafia in should know this is outing.

What was Alison's exact claim again?

this exists btw.

This feels more towny than scummy tho

no it doesnt. she clearly would have had to thought about alisons role a good deal on d1 for her to come to the conclusion that alison is mech cleared for her role. i highly doubt she just forgets alisons claim like that given the amount of thought she implies she had given the claim in the first quote.

I think the part of thinking about alison a great deal part applies more in a mafia mindset than in a town mindset when one is more fleeflowing

[santygrass]

Like, if Neon was mafia, they had planned to claim something irt to alison. So then to 'forget it' seems extremely weird if they had that sort lf mindset

[MacDougall]

First most frustrating thing bad town do in games. Argue with strong players who have strong reads on other strong players.

Unless you are some sort of Einstein level fuck, you need to let this shit run it's course. Strong players do not need you to be defending them from other strong players. Make them do it themselves. If you think that Strong player A is trying to run roughshod on the thread by hard tunneling strong player B you're almost always mistaken because strong players tend to try to pocket other strong players. The likelihood of two s-tier players going at each other goes:

t v w
t v t
w v w
w v t

In that order.

It is strictly on the surface less likely that the person with the aggressive read is mafia. And the chances of the person on the other end being mafia are around rand. Let it occur. You are not going to do anything but annoy the fuck out of a good player who may have a mafia player cornered. You are doing nothing of value even if you are right because it is important to the process of the player to actually make the push and figure shit out for themselves. When other people jump in and defend the person for shit house reasons it often exaggerates their tunnel because they feel like the person has minions defending them. Or even worse you can get accused of having TMI and have the hosebeast turn their gaze on you instead.

Just let the bulls hit each other. It is stupid to do otherwise unless you have mech.