Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[Scotty]

Today:

-I am not looking to vote Wilgy. I think his track record is one that is solved by flipping Michelle.
-I will not vote for Elo or Vivax or Golden. They are my current towncore
-I am not voting Sloonei unless Golden changes his mind on Sloonei’s townness
-I think voting DF is a non-starter. If DF truly is wolf, he will be best eliminated last once we’ve caught the 3rd wolf.

Therefore, I will be voting for sig or Michelle today. And sig I feel pretty ok about.

[DrWilgy]

Dude, if my track record can only be solved by flipping 3/4 wolves correctly then I've somehow set a horrendous precedent for myself.

[Elohcin]

O'm onsenofoid. O gaiss O woll nut bi telkong thos phesi. Buu Huu!

[sig]

Today:

-I am not looking to vote Wilgy. I think his track record is one that is solved by flipping Michelle.
-I will not vote for Elo or Vivax or Golden. They are my current towncore
-I am not voting Sloonei unless Golden changes his mind on Sloonei’s townness
-I think voting DF is a non-starter. If DF truly is wolf, he will be best eliminated last once we’ve caught the 3rd wolf.

Therefore, I will be voting for sig or Michelle today. And sig I feel pretty ok about.

Why is Vivax in your town core

[sig]

Dude, if my track record can only be solved by flipping 3/4 wolves correctly then I've somehow set a horrendous precedent for myself.

New meta Wilgy is only town If he can catch/vote on 75% of the mafia team

[Sloonei]

I endorse votes for Michelle.

[DrWilgy]

Does the pattern of yeet scum > auto continue? Find out tonight at five.

[Scotty]

Dude, if my track record can only be solved by flipping 3/4 wolves correctly then I've somehow set a horrendous precedent for myself.

I think it’s that your record is just too good.

You’re either the wolf whisperer or you eat caribou

[Scotty]

O'm onsenofoid. O gaiss O woll nut bi telkong thos phesi. Buu Huu!

There it is.

QIchvam Danejbej! wa' qaDangan "revan, tlhInganpu'.

[Scotty]

Today:

-I am not looking to vote Wilgy. I think his track record is one that is solved by flipping Michelle.
-I will not vote for Elo or Vivax or Golden. They are my current towncore
-I am not voting Sloonei unless Golden changes his mind on Sloonei’s townness
-I think voting DF is a non-starter. If DF truly is wolf, he will be best eliminated last once we’ve caught the 3rd wolf.

Therefore, I will be voting for sig or Michelle today. And sig I feel pretty ok about.

Why is Vivax in your town core

As I’ve said, I’ve had a good feeling of him early on and I stand by my read of him.

[sig]

Today:

-I am not looking to vote Wilgy. I think his track record is one that is solved by flipping Michelle.
-I will not vote for Elo or Vivax or Golden. They are my current towncore
-I am not voting Sloonei unless Golden changes his mind on Sloonei’s townness
-I think voting DF is a non-starter. If DF truly is wolf, he will be best eliminated last once we’ve caught the 3rd wolf.

Therefore, I will be voting for sig or Michelle today. And sig I feel pretty ok about.

Why is Vivax in your town core

As I’ve said, I’ve had a good feeling of him early on and I stand by my read of him.

That’s not a very descriptive reason.

Let’s say Michelle flips civ then what would your read be on them

[Scotty]

Today:

-I am not looking to vote Wilgy. I think his track record is one that is solved by flipping Michelle.
-I will not vote for Elo or Vivax or Golden. They are my current towncore
-I am not voting Sloonei unless Golden changes his mind on Sloonei’s townness
-I think voting DF is a non-starter. If DF truly is wolf, he will be best eliminated last once we’ve caught the 3rd wolf.

Therefore, I will be voting for sig or Michelle today. And sig I feel pretty ok about.

Why is Vivax in your town core

As I’ve said, I’ve had a good feeling of him early on and I stand by my read of him.

That’s not a very descriptive reason.

Let’s say Michelle flips civ then what would your read be on them

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Let’s find out

[Scotty]

hmm…that’s odd.

So I clicked on the poll as “Don’t vote, view results” and now I can’t vote in this poll.

Is that…supposed to happen?

[sig]

Today:

-I am not looking to vote Wilgy. I think his track record is one that is solved by flipping Michelle.
-I will not vote for Elo or Vivax or Golden. They are my current towncore
-I am not voting Sloonei unless Golden changes his mind on Sloonei’s townness
-I think voting DF is a non-starter. If DF truly is wolf, he will be best eliminated last once we’ve caught the 3rd wolf.

Therefore, I will be voting for sig or Michelle today. And sig I feel pretty ok about.

Why is Vivax in your town core

As I’ve said, I’ve had a good feeling of him early on and I stand by my read of him.

That’s not a very descriptive reason.

Let’s say Michelle flips civ then what would your read be on them

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Let’s find out

That’s not an answer and with thread closing at night I’d prefer one

[Scotty]

Today:

-I am not looking to vote Wilgy. I think his track record is one that is solved by flipping Michelle.
-I will not vote for Elo or Vivax or Golden. They are my current towncore
-I am not voting Sloonei unless Golden changes his mind on Sloonei’s townness
-I think voting DF is a non-starter. If DF truly is wolf, he will be best eliminated last once we’ve caught the 3rd wolf.

Therefore, I will be voting for sig or Michelle today. And sig I feel pretty ok about.

Why is Vivax in your town core

As I’ve said, I’ve had a good feeling of him early on and I stand by my read of him.

That’s not a very descriptive reason.

Let’s say Michelle flips civ then what would your read be on them

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Let’s find out

That’s not an answer and with thread closing at night I’d prefer one

Let me ask you this: if Michelle flips civ, who would you find most suspicious and why?

[Sloonei]

hmm…that’s odd.

So I clicked on the poll as “Don’t vote, view results” and now I can’t vote in this poll.

Is that…supposed to happen?

This is a glitch that happens sometimes. You should be able to vote if you refresh or switch devices, I think

[Spacedaisy]

I have been having Scotty try various fixes with no luck so far and he is still unable to vote in the poll. I would recommend players not use the don’t vote, view results option until I can figure out if this is something glitching for Scotty or everyone will have the same experience. I will try to pop in once an hour and share the vote tally. Non-players are welcome to share the vote tally as well if they are in the thread. They can’t say anything about the game besides the tally though.

Current vote:
Michelle - 1 (DrWilgy)
Vivax - 1 (Sloonei)

[Spacedaisy]

Has anyone else used the view results button and if so, are you experiencing the same problem?

[Golden]

Yes, apparently that has also happened to me.

[Golden]

Today:

-I am not looking to vote Wilgy. I think his track record is one that is solved by flipping Michelle.
-I will not vote for Elo or Vivax or Golden. They are my current towncore
-I am not voting Sloonei unless Golden changes his mind on Sloonei’s townness
-I think voting DF is a non-starter. If DF truly is wolf, he will be best eliminated last once we’ve caught the 3rd wolf.

Therefore, I will be voting for sig or Michelle today. And sig I feel pretty ok about.

Why is Vivax in your town core

As I’ve said, I’ve had a good feeling of him early on and I stand by my read of him.

That’s not a very descriptive reason.

Let’s say Michelle flips civ then what would your read be on them

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Let’s find out

Can this count in the vote tally?

[Scotty]

hmm…that’s odd.

So I clicked on the poll as “Don’t vote, view results” and now I can’t vote in this poll.

Is that…supposed to happen?

This is a glitch that happens sometimes. You should be able to vote if you refresh or switch devices, I think

Unfortunately tried logging out and using my computer instead of phone to no avail.

I mean, I’m fine with also updating vote tallies so the host doesn’t have to do it every hour lol. I’ve kinda been doing it already this game

[Spacedaisy]

If you have already used the view results button and are finding you can’t vote, I will count a vote tag in the thread as your vote. Please also send me and Epi a PM with your vote at the same time. I don’t want to risk missing it. Don’t use it more than once in a day phase.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine and whoops votes aren’t changeable.

Also why Vivax

@Michelle what’s you’re thoughts right now

I have a lot of thoughts and I will post them from now on because I came home from work.

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

I have a very good reason to consider Scotty town and I disagree with both wagons

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

On top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.

If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.

There is a proof I was thinking at, if you want me to talk about it just ask me.

Also today was a special day in my country, we celebrated saints Michael and Gabriel and the people having these names (my username is my name translated in English so I had a great RL day, bad for mafia though)


Regarding the votes, I clicked on view votes and I can't vote as well

[Spacedaisy]

current vote tally:
Michelle - 2 (DrWilgy, Scotty)
Vivax - 1 (Sloonei)

[Scotty]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine and whoops votes aren’t changeable.

Also why Vivax

@Michelle what’s you’re thoughts right now

I have a lot of thoughts and I will post them from now on because I came home from work.

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

I have a very good reason to consider Scotty town and I disagree with both wagons

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

On top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.

If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.

There is a proof I was thinking at, if you want me to talk about it just ask me.

Also today was a special day in my country, we celebrated saints Michael and Gabriel and the people having these names (my username is my name translated in English so I had a great RL day, bad for mafia though)


Regarding the votes, I clicked on view votes and I can't vote as well

You have proof that I’m town?
Curious.

[Scotty]

May I also suggest that when a player votes, why don’t they themselves include the updated vote tally?

Might be helpful

[Michelle]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine and whoops votes aren’t changeable.

Also why Vivax

@Michelle what’s you’re thoughts right now

I have a lot of thoughts and I will post them from now on because I came home from work.

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

I have a very good reason to consider Scotty town and I disagree with both wagons

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

On top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.

If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.

There is a proof I was thinking at, if you want me to talk about it just ask me.

Also today was a special day in my country, we celebrated saints Michael and Gabriel and the people having these names (my username is my name translated in English so I had a great RL day, bad for mafia though)


Regarding the votes, I clicked on view votes and I can't vote as well

You have proof that I’m town?
Curious.

Yes, i am answering at your rainvow post but also I saw this and i want to explain this first.

"When the FEBs are down to half their number or less, the thread will be locked during all remaining Night phases"

Do I have to say more?

[Kate]

hi

[Michelle]

Michelle is bad lol

Nah

Ok, I did a search for all the times Michelle mentioned Quin. Guess which is the first mention? You guessed it:

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

When she voted for him yesterday.

Yes, with my thread presence I didn't even read his posts. I saw Sloonei had a TR for him and I thought it looked solid.

Her defense of this is even more nakedly scummy:

I think two of the three wagons could be Mafia, pretty much all of us have been circling these three people.

But which two?

I wouldn't be surprised if the wagons are all town because of the way you try to shade me

Bea was suspected by everyone and their mom, trying to legitimate the push by the thread's consensus suspicions is nagl

Also you said i didn't mention Quin. I don't remember to notice his presence in the game in the same time with me so yes, i didn't talk with/about him.
Your point?

I was doing the same thing Scotty, now i can go to sleep.

If anyone wants to ask me something I am still here for a while

Who would you be voting if there were no votes on the poll?

My vote is there not because it was a wagon.
My Poe is in Quin/Svs/DF/Golden/Vivax (not ordered) but if the wagon on Lorab was made to save Quin/Svs then one of them is bad for sure

Implies that the wagons of Golden, Quin and herself could all be town. This is important because it seems in this post that she doesn’t believe Quin to be bad, even though she was currently voting there.

You want to interpret it like that but it was adressed with the impression Svs can be bad. I wasn't really convinced which one of them is mafia from the dynamic of wagons when Lorab was mischopped, but also a wagon was on Quin already so I voted there. After Quin flipped mafia, it became clear I was wrong about Svs.

Getting defensive about SVS bringing attention to the fact that she hasn’t mentioned Quin all game. And because she didn’t notice him, she had no reason to talk with OR about him. This needs no explanation on why that’s suspicious.

Bea's vote was suspicious and she payed with her life.
Proof that now everything who is suspicious comes from scum

Finally claims to have some agency behind the vote, and adds Quin (and SVS) into her POE. But just 3 posts ago she “wouldn’t be surprised” if Quin is good. This sure looks like a exasperation vote. This whole thing is like if you procrastinated too much and missed the deadline on sending in your essay online to the teacher, and then wrote the essay, emailed the teacher 12 hours later with the completed essay citing ‘bad connectivity issues’ and ‘I totally sent it on time you have to believe me’ and the teacher is like, “okay, technically issues happen- don’t let it happen again.”

it was a vote dictated by my own logic

So anyway, I’d advocate a Michelle elimination today.

I flipped town. Now what?

[Scotty]

Looking through Quin ISO and this stood out:

Can't really spot any concerted effort to save G-Man around End of Day.
Bea vote sticks out as townie, at first glance. I think for a Feb team that doesn't want to stick out too much voting together to save him, G-Man is the more logical choice. With the best choice being to vote off both wagons.
Michelle feels less opinionated than during D1. The DFaraday push could be such an attempt at placing a vote away from G-Man and also not Sloonei.

Tokang thu ployurs frem thu lewust pesturs
Whot thu censunsis epanaen obeit Forodoy?

Has Ase as smoll, centoans o fuw ruods ond sulf muto soyang hu weild pest meru os o welf

I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

It's a weird interaction between these two, actually. It's really not the angle most of the game was looking at, and they seem to feel a bit too safe in this bubble where they push each other. DFara openly admits to not reading the reasons behind the wagons, but somehow finds Michelle interesting enough to read. Maybe he was just reading whoever was pushing him, but then he'd have had to read the thread?

The banger here is that Michelle didn't vote, so for DF to notice her, he'd also have had to run into posts describing reasons behind the main wagons. So this could be grounds to campaign for a DF lynch tomorrow, as it feels like he's lying here about what he read.

There was a big upheaval in sig voters switching to Sloonei towards EoD. If there was an attempt at a save, that was it.

Noting you also voted for him at one point, what do you think of those who voted for sig yesterday?

That’s throwing sig under the bus, ain’t it.

Real good look for sig

[Michelle]

Where's Quin?

Spoiler: show

Oh, there he is.

Quin was been lynched. He was Non-Player Blue.

Nights are locked from here on out.

It is Night 5. You have until 8pm EST to submit your PMs.

"Non-Player Blue
Each night, you target a player. That player’s vote will not count during the following elim poll. Instead, a non-player will be allowed to cast a vote that will count in their place. The non-player will have the choice to gain BTSC with either you or the targeted player for that Day Phase. They may not speak about the game in the thread, but their vote in the poll will count instead of the player you targeted."

So Quin targeted someone and their vote didn't count and also most probably had Btsc with Mata Hari, convincing them to vote me. With Quin's vote and Mata Hari's scum siding vote I could be the one mischopped yesterday instead mafia.

[Scotty]

Went back to ISO just why I started townreading Vivax- most of it is vibe and being fluid and messy with reads but still asking good questions that look civ sensible, but that’s probably not enough.

So I started looking more intently at his interactions with and mentions of Quin.

If we go back to D1 in the NAA slot, Quin doesn’t make a lot of reads but he does make that odd comment about liking NAA’s “substantive” vote for bea when I used a shitty D1 reason to sus her for quoting a post in her first post. Golden and I call him out on it, and his response is 4-day old pasta water. Call it confbias, but I don’t think mafia Quin makes a crappy town read on such a terrible reason for his partner.

On Day 2, Quin goes even further in Vivax’s slot, saying

I don't remember what the rules are for discussing 2.0 replacements 1.0 roles, so I won't.

Vivax 2.0 looks stellar to me though.

This has TMI written all over it.

****************

Vivax2.0 has a firm suspicion of Quin throughout D2, and if my counting is correct, was the 2nd or 3rd vote on that wagon, switching OFF the lorab wagon and didn’t move from there. The LoRab wagon had already started by my calculations, and Vivax did not need to vote for Quin unprompted like he did. Peachy keen.

His Day 3 isn’t stellar, by any means. He actually has a few posts where he compartmentalizes both GMan and Quin and contextualizes that they look better in a reread. I don’t think this damning, because I had similar doubts with GMan, though him having both of those reads are whiffs for sure. By his own admission, he changes his mind around a lot, voting Kate, then sig, and settling on Sloonei. I also ended on Sloonei and can see where he got his suspicion from.

His day 5 was interesting in that he had most of day 4 saying Quin was a town read, and at some point on day 5, he first voted on Quin after Golden convinced him. But then after Wilgy says he doesn’t trust some of the quin voters, and Vivax dares Wilgy to switch, and Wilgy dares him back, and he does. Could just be an excuse to jump onto Michelle, but could also just be fluid movement.


In summary, yesterday’s voting does seem questionable, but on a whole, I still have him as a Townread.

We’ll see what happens if Michelle is town.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine and whoops votes aren’t changeable.

Also why Vivax

@Michelle what’s you’re thoughts right now

I have a lot of thoughts and I will post them from now on because I came home from work.

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

I have a very good reason to consider Scotty town and I disagree with both wagons

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

On top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.

If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.

There is a proof I was thinking at, if you want me to talk about it just ask me.

Also today was a special day in my country, we celebrated saints Michael and Gabriel and the people having these names (my username is my name translated in English so I had a great RL day, bad for mafia though)


Regarding the votes, I clicked on view votes and I can't vote as well

You have proof that I’m town?
Curious.

Yes, i am answering at your rainvow post but also I saw this and i want to explain this first.

"When the FEBs are down to half their number or less, the thread will be locked during all remaining Night phases"

Do I have to say more?

OH.

Good call. Math.

Right. Thanks.

So anyway, I’m confirmed town, time to call the polls and add myself as a candidate YOU CAN TRUST

[DrWilgy]

hi

I offer my life for Kate? The hosts have gotta let me have it eventually.

[Michelle]

Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.

Scotty is town like I said, so this is the way Quin pushed a townie.
The read for Axe is pocketing or buddying? I need to read more
Bea is clear pocketing
Llama is another push for a flipped town.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine and whoops votes aren’t changeable.

Also why Vivax

@Michelle what’s you’re thoughts right now

I have a lot of thoughts and I will post them from now on because I came home from work.

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

I have a very good reason to consider Scotty town and I disagree with both wagons

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

On top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.

If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.

There is a proof I was thinking at, if you want me to talk about it just ask me.

Also today was a special day in my country, we celebrated saints Michael and Gabriel and the people having these names (my username is my name translated in English so I had a great RL day, bad for mafia though)


Regarding the votes, I clicked on view votes and I can't vote as well

You have proof that I’m town?
Curious.

Yes, i am answering at your rainvow post but also I saw this and i want to explain this first.

"When the FEBs are down to half their number or less, the thread will be locked during all remaining Night phases"

Do I have to say more?

OH.

Good call. Math.

Right. Thanks.

So anyway, I’m confirmed town, time to call the polls and add myself as a candidate YOU CAN TRUST

I see you are happy to kill me, I realised you are locked town mechanically at Eod, why are you alive if I am a wolf?

[Michelle]

Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.

I disagree entirely with your assessment of me.

That's nice.

I can see this as distancing

Quin is town.

Why should I believe you?

@Sloonei what's Quin's wolf meta?

I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

I voted Bea.

I like Axe for this. The read itself is mixed up in a bunch of fluff (on Page 2 even, fluff city), but there's substance that most people skimming the thread would have looked over the first time. It's a no nonsense vote and it's super early in the game.

Mafia doesn't make anything without a purpose, and this post looks like Quin wanted to convince everyone that Axe is town.

I think early interactions are very important because well made distance can determine the outcome of the game.
I see as suspicious the way Quin treated Axe in these posts.

[Michelle]

If i stop posting i fell asleep because it's 11 pm at me

Where is everyone?

[Vivax]

If i stop posting i fell asleep because it's 11 pm at me

Where is everyone?

I'm sitting here with two tabs open going through G-Man and Quin in stride. We've got time and early votes are bad.
There almost has to be enough info around to solve the game from here.

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Alright, I'm here! It may take me a bit to get back into the groove of things, not that I ever had a really good groove with mafia. But, looking forward to some old-time fun!

Eloh's first post has an excuse in it.

Votes should be expressed in the thread though, like this:
[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

Let the little man whisper!

I will HAPPILY use an adverb, but it may take me a while to get used to the vote tag thing. Have patience.

Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

I would say it is something to consider.

I'm not a fan of changing votes. I like to take the day to interact and observe without being hasty.

Sig says votes are changeable. I don't see how he could have known this before voting. I can only find him sus right away as his hasty vote would most likely land on a civ.

Yeah if only there were a role that explicitly stated (hey look guys, adverb. I'm multitasking!) that votes were changeable.

Maybe Eloh missed that part, though. I guess if it were an indie role or a mafia role, and Eloh were a civ and had no reason to read up on the mafia/indie sides of things, that could be it.

But if that role were not an indie or mafia role, and Eloh were a mafia or an indie and would have reason to be more focused on that side of the board, I could see a world where Eloh might forgo reading up on the civ side of things.

So, rule number 5 says the "votes are changeable. MAYBE." Then, I did read the roles including Moveable Votes, but didn't understand it. I was looking at it like a RULE and not a ROLE, probably b/c I had been in the car all day traveling. But I just had a lightbulb moment looking back at it now after a good night's sleep! So, I definitely get it now.

I no longer suspect sig atm. We shall see what's to come.

methinks the baker might be baking up some sugar-free excuses here

All the initial post told me is that Eloh didn't read the roles thoroughly before posting. What does Eloh having not reading the roles thoroughly tell you about her alignment? Hopefully this is a rhetorical question.

In all seriousness, this Day 1 is going to be bizarre because I’m going to feel dirty eliminating a player that has made a triumphant return after a lengthy break only to be yeeted early.

I suppose I can take solace in the fact that rezz’s are in the game. But for day 1? It just feelsbadman.jpg

I guess we could always all just vote for dog lol

"yeet" and "yeeted" are not allowed in old school mafia games. Silly Scotty, yeets are for kids.

I think you mean Yeezys.

Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

I remember catching a scum Dana years ago on her first game back in ages (my first game with her, she was great). She used her time away as a crutch to excuse her inability to contribute and it just felt like she couldn't integrate herself into the thread. It could be the same thing here, but I'm happy to sit on it and let that idea progress.

And, I'm not lying about the role thing. I didn't understand the movable votes until I reread the roles this morning after reading DH's comments. I must have more tired than I thought last night b/c everything was much clearer this morning.

That’s fair. I often overanalyze roles in my pregame analysis and make bold assumptions that can be easily disproven with the obvious information given.

I think another part of your explanation that is still not swaying me, however, is the way you’ve presented your suspicion for sig in so many words, then just as succinctly dropped your suspicion for him without offering any other reads for other players. It’s very cookie-cutter apple pie and although it doesn’t lack logical progression, it does seem to lack that extra scoop of ice cream a-la-mode

First of all, I don't remember using "so many words." Second, there was not much to go on at the time of that post. I will most likely have more reads as the day goes on. But for DAY ONE, unless someone majorly slips, any reads are kind-of a shot in the dark. If I were to make a guess, though, I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

I get a stronger Scotty/Eloh team vibe reading Scotty's posts than the other way around. This makes me want to do a fluff count on Scotty's posts.

Spoiler: show

Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?

So you're voting for Eloh because she acted on a weak suspicion, backtracked on it nearly as soon as it was called out, and offered a "whatever sticks" explanation as to her actions?

Why is that not a slam dunk? Where is this hesitation and hedging coming from? Is she doing an OMGUS to you or are you doing an OMGUS to her?

It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I need reveals to better get a sense for players.

This could very well just be a player personality that I’m reading too much into.

Though I wouldn’t call this hedging. I’m currently voting there

Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.

I don’t really like the whole Elo vs Scotty thing. I do feel like Elo was a little quick to jump on sig who is an easy target, but as someone who almost never thoroughly reads the rules, I can wholeheartedly understand missing something like that. And in most cases wouldn’t it be easier for a mafia Elo to just leave that mild suspicion of sig out there instead. Scotty’s suspicion also seems quick to jump on something little.
Maybe I’ll reread it after the kids are asleep

kidS! Yay! How many now and what ages?

[I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

What does a Day 1 town player act like?

I think that civvie behavior on day 1 is more personalized than baddie behavior. For instance, if Blooper were here and she didn't make a single post on Day 1, I would not suspect her for it. But, if Pink were here and did not post on day 1, I think that would be something to keep an eye on. Unfortunately, there are three players here that I don't think I've ever played with, so they will probably escape a vote from me today unless something extreme happens.

Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

leeway
noun
1.
the amount of freedom to move or act that is available.

Do I understand coorect, you ask for a day 1 pass here?

Yes, that is correct. I am smart enough to look up the word before I post it as well If you knew me, you would know that it is classic Eloh to say five words and be suspected right out of the gate.

I am she. And I am eastern standard. 3:54pm atm.

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@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.
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@ Michelle

Judging from my perspective I don't consider others' reads except they are my town reads. Had Eloh said they town read Scotty and Golden? Because if not, why do you think they should post more and reconsider?

It left a bad impression that Eloh claimed to have found a reason to be sus on sig but went off when a few dropped opposite conclusions. Maybe I'm expecting too much from early pages but that would have made for a fine topic to ruffle some heads early on if I were them.

This really isn't that difficult folks. I misinterpreted the roles and thought no one KNEW if votes were movable or not yet. Then, I reread the roles after getting some much needed sleep and wah-la, I understood it!

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@thellama73 I don't have a civ game, remember?
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“@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.”
Right, you said you weren’t one to vote early, but wholly offered that sig could be bad. That was your only read at the time. Tomato/potato.

“Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.”
Correct that I don’t want to get it wrong. I think I tend to struggle on correct D1 reads. But a broken clock is right twice a day, eh?

If I had edged off you, would that response have looked better? I’m just continuing to get OMGUS vibes here.

@Elohcin If you could vote someone right now, who would you vote? GTH, as they’d say

I actually felt like your response was you "edging off me", so I'm confused by the question. It's like you thought, "Shoot, I really could be wrong here so I'm going to back off and say that my theory wasn't a slam dunk," after driving it hard for so many posts. You backing off is what made me question your civ status further. You may say I did the same thing with sig (flippity-flop), but really it wouldn't be true. I made a couple comments, in a tired state, about sig being sus right before going to bed. Then, when I woke up and saw comments about it, I reread the rules and roles, had a derp moment, and backed off. I really think you just need to let that go and let us move on.

I hate GTH questions and refuse to answer them.

New read, Bea is civ bc she would know when day ends if she had BTSC.

Eloh thinks that her not reading the roles is NAI and Scotty should back off. She also thinks Scotty is bad for backing off. I want to come up with a cool metaphor like Scotty does but I can't so I'm just going to say this sounds like distancing.

EBWOP: actually...if you really were scared you were wrong, then you'd have to be civ. It's getting close to my bedtime again. I'm useless in the evening and should not play mafia at this time. This is why I work during the first half of my day. I don't know what I think anymore.

So Eloh thinks Scotty is town? Is that where we ended?

I realise i am too brain tired to see what this means.

I will

[Vivax]

goodnight !

[Spacedaisy]

Vote count remains the same as the last tally

Michelle - 2 votes: DrWilgy (2) Scotty (3)
Vivax - 1 vote: Sloonei (1)

[Scotty]

Where's Quin?

Spoiler: show

Oh, there he is.

Quin was been lynched. He was Non-Player Blue.

Nights are locked from here on out.

It is Night 5. You have until 8pm EST to submit your PMs.

"Non-Player Blue
Each night, you target a player. That player’s vote will not count during the following elim poll. Instead, a non-player will be allowed to cast a vote that will count in their place. The non-player will have the choice to gain BTSC with either you or the targeted player for that Day Phase. They may not speak about the game in the thread, but their vote in the poll will count instead of the player you targeted."

So Quin targeted someone and their vote didn't count and also most probably had Btsc with Mata Hari, convincing them to vote me. With Quin's vote and Mata Hari's scum siding vote I could be the one mischopped yesterday instead mafia.

Matahari only jumped onto you some time in the last 30 minutes. They were previously on Vivax and Golden for most the day, and then me for a bit.

So if they were scumsiding, like you say, I would think Vivax and maybe Golden look great.

[Scotty]

I think Michelle brings up a good point- why DID mafia kill SVS and not me?

I was secretly hoping y’all would pick Llama to come back, since he’s more on brand for the theme of this game and I thought his space apart from the game would have given him some fresh reads. But I get why y’all brought me back. Thanks.

So, before I launch into what I have observed from the great yonder (It’s cold and dark out there), I’d prefer to hear from players as to who their top suspects are as we start the day. I don’t want to color anyone’s reads.

RIP Kate

With Bea removed as as part of the G Man lynch cluster, I’m back where I was re Sloonei and not understanding how that lynch went down if Sloonei is a civ.

I feel ok about Wilgy, and Vivax. Sig and Faraday are slightly green question marks. Golden and Michelle are double question marks. I am feeling less than great about Sloonei and Quin.

I look forward to hearing your opinions.

Thanks SVS

Implicating wagons aside, do you think Sloonei in a vacuum has behaved uncivlike?

Well, my feels on Sloonei are hard to explain. My read on him is based on what may be an outdated model. I found the Sloonei I knew to be a super aggressive civ to the point that I found him intimidating even when I was a civ, he was straightforward and data driven. Two things I am not lol. I have not seen that person, and the absence of that person is what led me to suspect him in the first place.

And it’s the exact same reason I suspected Bea. As I said, I’m having a crisis of confidence.

Then G Man appears to have suicided to save him. So on one hand I want to push my own thoughts aside, on the other .,. I dunno.

I’m tired and confused and sad Kate was taken out right after Bea, so I’m going to bed.

linki That’s why I hate obvious town reads being announced, but it also has benefits. I was hoping you would be able to point at a post or thing you said that might have, in retrospect, triggered them. I know that has happened to me a few times

SVS came into day 5 with 3 names in mind- Quin, Golden and Michelle. Here, she is doubting the civiness of Sloonei. And SVS was pretty much the only outspoken critic of Golden yesterday, but I think Sloonei is the one here that stands out.

Have reads on display a tad more openly.
It‘s D3, we should be panicking or something. Plenty of time for slow starters to amp it up.

But every EoD outcome has felt largely random and the players who voted aggressively are being taken out.

I‘m open to the possibility that you are town but I don‘t see lots of efforts going on to sell the wagon you are voting.

p-edit: I‘m the bea voter, kate

I'm really honestly making a good faith effort to play the new style more than what I'm used to. You'll see uptrend there was a discussion about OGs (Which i prefer to old school or relic lol) keeping your reads close to your chest. Also, I made the first multi quote posts I've ever made. I'm doing my best to follow the new regime.

This is the first time I've been exposed to a rainbow list. That is something that never would have been done in the past. It would have been seen as target painting.

@Quin

I asked you to tell me why I shouldn't scum read you for your type of engagement in the thread so far. You don't need to multi quote or make rainbow lists to do that.

My type of engagement has always been to hold things closer to my chest than to make a wall of text. It's just always been the way I've played. I'd usually talk about my biggest suspicion, and pretty much never talk about more than 1 at a time. If you died in our games, you lose. I was trying to baddie hunt while also trying to NOT get nk'd. Does that clarify it a little?

I think it's more than a little obvious that I'm "town," as y'all would say, at this point in the game. Are you looking to get something from me or are you actually suspecting me?

It does clarify it. Thank you.

I was 'looking' for an explanation for your engagement, which you've probably done as best as you can here. I'm not in a mind to dump a vote on you and run off, at any rate.

Did you have anything to say about the Sloonei wagon yesterday?

Ok. In attempt to really play new school I'll do it. I think sloonei is dead red. Or at least a more important bad role than OT Green. I don't see any other explaination for gmans behavior and vote.

Kate also made this statement on day 4 before she died. Could be nothing, could be something.


But a common link to those 2 are the tinfoils surrounding Sloonei.

I had Sloonei as a top townread yesterday. Could be that he would bet on keeping me around a bit could be exactly what the doctor ordered.

Sure, I know Golden is slightly shielding Sloonei with his town read, but I can definitely see a bad Sloonei taking out his detractors here.

[Scotty]

The GMan lynch, from a perspective of Sloonei being a more important role in Dead Red, makes sense.

I don’t like it since we’ve been basically dancing over Sloonei all game and I’m exhausted thinking about going through him again but here we are

[DrWilgy]

I think Sloonei becomes more of an option for me if we are still flailing after DF and Michelle.

[Golden]

G-Man/DF content:

DF provides an unsubtantiated town read on G-Man

G-Man puts DF in his POE 'not because he finds him suspicious, but because I have no reason to townclear him so far'. Quite innocuous, but it is interesting that G-Man felt the need to expressly explain that he didn't find DF suspicious while putting him in the PoE. That's the way a PoE works, you should get out of it not in to it.

There's an interesting phiosophical question here - to what extent is treating a PoE like a suspects list rather than a list of everyone not towncleared alignment-indicative?

[Golden]

Quin/DF

DF quotes Quin and replies to him once in a way that could be described as 'slight distancing' - he disagrees with Quin in a way that makes no difference at all

On the flip side - perhaps someone should double check Quin's iso, but I don't think Quin mentioned DF at all until he started having a go at me for voting DF and was trying to pretzel me for not having made a case on him a day sooner. I think he literally never mentions DF outside of this exchange.

I think there's a high chance that DF and Michelle are the last two wolves.

[Vivax]

Spent a while going through ISOs looking for something that'd give me more confidence on who to lim. This day feels daunting with the amount of information.

Spoiler: show

Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.

Scotty is town like I said, so this is the way Quin pushed a townie.
The read for Axe is pocketing or buddying? I need to read more
Bea is clear pocketing
Llama is another push for a flipped town.

Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.

I disagree entirely with your assessment of me.

That's nice.

I can see this as distancing

Quin is town.

Why should I believe you?

@Sloonei what's Quin's wolf meta?

I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

I voted Bea.

I like Axe for this. The read itself is mixed up in a bunch of fluff (on Page 2 even, fluff city), but there's substance that most people skimming the thread would have looked over the first time. It's a no nonsense vote and it's super early in the game.

Mafia doesn't make anything without a purpose, and this post looks like Quin wanted to convince everyone that Axe is town.

I think early interactions are very important because well made distance can determine the outcome of the game.
I see as suspicious the way Quin treated Axe in these posts.

So far this stuck out to me the most, even though it's very recent.
Michelle's read on Scotty flip-flopped very quickly between these posts. From a rather confident Scotty - T assessment, straight to mentioning two posts that seem to want to shade him.
While the S-V-S lim warrants some tinfoil here, I very much doubt I would vote Scotty today and I'd have to re-ISO him at a later point if he remains alive further.

[Vivax]

At the time I'm writing/reading all this:

bea - 21 posts

Spoiler: show

After some early game fun posts, downplays her ability as a mafia then the rest of Night 0 is more reminiscing.

As Day 1 begins, here to a vote from Scotty that seems a bit wonky, is "confused" by NotAnAxhole's post, defends her cheery attitude and is disheartened that she has gotten some votes. Agrees with G-Man RE: Day 1 needing to be more substantive and RE: laying out some adverbs. Has some interesting exchanges RE: DF's activity level. Particularly interested in the defense of DF by way of saying that Golden's defense of DF itself "vibes better" for Golden.Defends herself from Sig/Llama's criticism of low posters by saying she's getting back in the swing of things. Refuses to give a solid read/opinion on the current state of the game, instead saying she "generally sees the good in everyone".

Here she again downplays her ability to lie/be mafia

Here She offers 3 "reads". I say "reads" because they're "This person hasn't done anything noteworthy yet, this person is quiet, and this person is confusing" which mean nothing to me and could be taken any number of ways.

Has a bit of an exchange with Golden that doesn't seem to be amounting to much

Then forgets when the poll ends.

Overall Read - I don't like the "teehee I'm bad at being bad" stuff generally speaking. I don't think the reads she's offered up have any meat to them, and I think her G-Man post is buddying. Nothing I'm reading from her is quite worth a vote just yet but Bea is not comfortably outside of my radar by any means.

DFaraday - 1 post

Nothing here worth looking into or posting about, moving on!

Dr Wilgy - 15 posts

Spoiler: show

Here an early vote for Scotty that does not appear very serious. Which is then "revoked" here and replaced with a vote for Sig that doesn't appear very serious. Lots of licking summarized here

Overall Read - Doc is a strange guy and (intentionally) hard to nail down early. If later contributions are at this level I'm worried, but for now, nothing to make hay over.

Eloh - 12 Posts

Spoiler: show

Here is the Post Heard Round The World, Eloh attaches onto Sloonei's "suspicion" of sig, pointing out that she is not a fan of changing votes and would r ather take the day to consider things. Says that the only way sig would know votes were changeable would be after he'd voted (making his hasty vote suspect). Defends herself here by saying that Rule #5 says votes are "maybe" changeable. Says she'd read the ROLES, including "Moveable Votes", but didn't understand it. Claims she'd confused it for a RULE, but after sleeping on it sees the error she made. Retracts her sig suspicion.

Here and Here defends herself from mine and Scotty's comments by saying we ought to "know" to give her "leeway" and that she "wasn't lying". I confess to having intentionally responded only with a to see what shook loose (if either she would respond defensively, or if someone would take the crumb and run with it, both of which happened).

Here is an exchange with Scotty. Scotty is saying Eloh "presented her suspicion in so many words" and dropped it "without offering any other reads for other players". Eloh's response is that "day one reads are a shot in the dark" and "there was a lot going on" at the time of her post. My two cents being that Eloh made a gut read oon sig based on faulty/misunderstood info, retracted it when she was found to have been misinformed, end of. I don't agree with the assertion by Scotty that she was obligated to offer another read or that she is suspicious for not having done so. Then Eloh makes some pretty generic statements about how mafia would act, and uses that to cast suspicion onto Scotty by saying he is being "kind of silly/off topic and distracting from gameplay". How that holds up will have to wait until I read Scotty's posts.

Here responds more in detail by offering commentary on my questions to Scotty, calling Scottys response "very bad". Says she's not voting for people she doesn't know.

Criticizes NotAnAxehole [url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966070#p966070]Here For being pessimistic about the lynch prospects.

Here Sees Scotty's response as him "edging off" his suspicion of her. Refuses to offer a baddie read when asked, but offers a tame, relatively safe "bea is a civ because she would have had teammates to tell her when the poll ends" read.

Overall Read - Indie probably.

Fingersplints - 13 Posts

Spoiler: show

After some N0 Fluff Defends NotAnAxhole's behavior as "NAI" when Llama starts sniffing around, but also says that llama's line of questioning is good. So a net 0.

[url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966005#p966005]Here Doesn't like the Eloh/Scotty discourse. Says Eloh was "quick to jump on" the sig stuff, but defends her and offers that it would've been "easier for mafia Eloh to leave the suspicion on sig", which I disagree with because it was such an easily disprovable suspicion. Says Scotty was "quick to jump on Eloh" which I agree with. Turns out Splints does want to jump into the Eloh/Scotty discourse, but may not want to look like she did.

Votes for Sloonei because she has "high expectations" and wants to see where they're at.

Sniffs out that Llama left out DFaraday as a low poster[url] (when Llama was saying that mafia are laying low/low posting).


Overall Read - I wanna see where the llama stuff goes. I'm leaning civ for Splints atm.

G-Man - 13 posts [spoiler] [url=http ... 65904]Here After some Night 0 fluff and catching up and whatnot, offers some mechanical insight into the game (specifically the adverb mechanics).

Here Says he's "useless" on Day 1.

Here Defends NotAnAxehole's behavior as "NAI" and suggests that we "ignore some of his punchier tendencies".

Here says that Llama being "loose" is a good sign

Here Says he doesn't want to lynch anyone with a low post count (LoRab, DF, Kate). Says he thinks Llama is good and that Eloh is "Bait". Doesn't want to lynch Vivax because they're new to each other. Thinks that "chopping from the top half of the post count" will yield the most content. (Scotty, Sloonei, Golden, Me, Bea, Michelle, and NAA)

Hesitates based on the Rez Mechanic.

Overall Read - Saying that you want a more productive Day 1 and then giving people who are being the least productive on Day 1 a lynch pass, while singling out the people who are giving you what you asked for as worth lynching is a bad look. Offering little "meat" yourself while requesting it from others is another bad look. My man is not a civ. [/spoiler]

Taking a break from my reads for now.

Here's a cleaner non-busted post

This post is stellar. Absolutely stellar.

Caveat: Mafia got cold feet and killed SVS for this. Could mean town is being led around by the nose by Wilgy and Eloh.