Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[Golden]

I’m the only one who voted in the poll but I think it’s two votes.

[Vivax]

Golden with the syndicate premium features. I can‘t use that thing :/

[Sloonei]

One more vote for sig puts him at majority. If votes were changeable, mind would be on him already. But I would like to give him and Eloh more time to say things today. And I suppose there may be lingering questions about me as well.

[Sloonei]

I'll be voting for sig in about an hour unless something very dramatic happens.

[Spacedaisy]

I'll do a vote tally right now, hold please.

[Spacedaisy]

Current Day 8 Vote Tally
Vivax --> sig
Golden --> sig

sig - 2 votes

[Vivax]

Michelle‘s going nuclear

This post didn‘t age well either as of this day.

[Vivax]

Don‘t panic when you see phallic shaped objects in the sky. Could just be a certain someone‘s big toe.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: dog] aubergine

may god have mercy on us all

[Spacedaisy]

Day 8 Vote Tally

vivax --> sig
Golden --> sig
Sloonei --> sig

sig - 3 votes

[Kate]

[Scotty]

[VOTE: dog] aubergine

may god have mercy on us all

[Sloonei]

It would be beautiful and poetic if sig is pedantic pink, after all.

[Spacedaisy]

The thread has now been locked

Day 8 Vote Tally:

Vivax --> sig
Golden --> sig
Sloonei --> sig

sig: 3 votes
Missing votes: Elo, sig

[Epignosis]

According to Hobbit lore, Smaug's favorite thing to enjoy are sigs. sigs are smoky, flavorful, chewy, and provide a great benefit to the government of Lonely Mountain in the form of excessive taxes per pack.


Even though they weren't, sigs sounded like they were a cause in the death of poor Gilbert, who once said

Spoiler: show

sig has been lynched. sig was the Moderator.

It is now Night 8. You have until 8pm ET to submit your PMs.

[Epignosis]

Four people left, four houses. The Sorting Hat was impatient.

It was Golden's turn. "Coward!" it cried.

"House of Coward it is!"

It was Sloonei's turn. "Eh, Paprika," it said.

"Hooray for House of Paprika!"

It was Eloh's turn. "Hawtpeesuvaz!" it declared.

"House of Hawtpeesuvaz! How lucky!"

Finally, it was Vivax's turn. The Sorting Hat scowled. "Take him out back. Give him a blindfold and a sig, and then let him rest in the narrow house."

Spoiler: show

Vivax has been Night killed. He was Lostpedia.

It is now Day 9. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

[Spacedaisy]

Since this is F3 and votes are unmovable, this day is essentially a hammer vote.

[Spacedaisy]

All players remember to check your PMs before posting.

I will now unlock the thread.

[S~V~S]

Boo

[Sloonei]

@Golden Justify your survival, please and thanks.

[Golden]

@Golden Justify your survival, please and thanks.

I can’t justify why I’m not dead. Not in the readies headsz. Maybe because I’ve been wrong, maybe wifom.

Look carefully at night 1. Talk more tonight/tomorrow.

[Golden]

Sloonei, if you were wolf, who would you have killed last night?

I think my survival actually does make sense upon reflection.

w!sloonei has had me pocketed most of the game and could likely believe I’d vote elo with him.

w!eloh has vivax basically say sig/elo were his last two suspects and he’d cleared the other two, so having him alive was dangerous.

But @Sloonei im interested in your take on who you say you would have killed out of me, vivax and eloh if you were wolf and why.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, if you were wolf, who would you have killed last night?

I think my survival actually does make sense upon reflection.

w!sloonei has had me pocketed most of the game and could likely believe I’d vote elo with him.

w!eloh has vivax basically say sig/elo were his last two suspects and he’d cleared the other two, so having him alive was dangerous.

But @Sloonei im interested in your take on who you say you would have killed out of me, vivax and eloh if you were wolf and why.

I probably kill you, but I also probably don’t assign vivax a hard town read yesterday beforehand.

[Elohcin]

Grr. Wes pleyong e gemi woth thi femoly end wes tutelly dostrectid. O medi ot tu my cumpatir jast e sicund tuu leti tu vuti. Bat, O wuald hevi vutid vovex. Cuald Guldin bi bed? O cennut biloivi thisi beddois eri tekong as duwn!

[Golden]

Grr. Wes pleyong e gemi woth thi femoly end wes tutelly dostrectid. O medi ot tu my cumpatir jast e sicund tuu leti tu vuti. Bat, O wuald hevi vutid vovex. Cuald Guldin bi bed? O cennut biloivi thisi beddois eri tekong as duwn!

Not me, I suggest you have a close look at night 1 too.

[Sloonei]

Grr. Wes pleyong e gemi woth thi femoly end wes tutelly dostrectid. O medi ot tu my cumpatir jast e sicund tuu leti tu vuti. Bat, O wuald hevi vutid vovex. Cuald Guldin bi bed? O cennut biloivi thisi beddois eri tekong as duwn!

Not me, I suggest you have a close look at night 1 too.

Are you able to talk more about why Night 1 is so important? Or should I give you another subject to talk about, like the recent weather we've been having.

[Golden]

Grr. Wes pleyong e gemi woth thi femoly end wes tutelly dostrectid. O medi ot tu my cumpatir jast e sicund tuu leti tu vuti. Bat, O wuald hevi vutid vovex. Cuald Guldin bi bed? O cennut biloivi thisi beddois eri tekong as duwn!

Not me, I suggest you have a close look at night 1 too.

Are you able to talk more about why Night 1 is so important? Or should I give you another subject to talk about, like the recent weather we've been having.

Honestly it’s a big muggy for me.

[Golden]

Aside from that, another thing which is wifom and by no means a lock but which I think whichever you is civ knows me well enough to see some wisdom in.

The FEBs tilde ability was ultimately both pretty tame and also the town's knowledge of what is said would not have altered the game for mafia in any meaningful way (they still had to be caught and lynched to trigger it).

Despite the fact someone like Scotty says 'no civ points for solving these', I think some people can't help but give stuff like that some townie vibes. I absolutely would have solved that baddie ability publicly if I knew what it said. I tried really hard for several days. I just could not come up with the word 'half'.

[Golden]

Ok, I have a strong lean in one direction, but my plan for today is to do some further isos including on Quin G and Michelle and build out the two wolfworlds… and figure out which is more plausible. With as much time as I’ve got. Thankfully I have more today than I had yesterday.

[Sloonei]

I have zero time for solving today, but will have time tomorrow.

[Elohcin]

O'll luuk et Noght 1 tumurruw ur letir tunoght. O niid tu hevi sumi duwn tomi eftir biong uat woth uar humischuul cu-up.

[Kate]

rez pleaseeeee

[Golden]

rez pleaseeeee

[Sloonei]

Preemptive warning that my area is getting pummeled by snow between now and saturday, so there’s a slight chance I could lose power at some point. If that happens, idk if I’ll be able to be present for the end game here, which obviously sucks hard. I don’t think that’s super likely to happen, but it’s not impossible.

I’m several miles north of the areas that are supposed to be hit the worst, and it’s not actually that cold and, for the moment, there’s no wind either. It’s just steady snowfall for 48 hours, as far as I can tell.

[Golden]

Eldest and wife tested positive for Covid today and my day went from a light work day to a no work day and looking after the fam, sorry Sloon and Eloh.

I have some podcast prep to do as well tonight, but I'm planning to read back each of Quin, Michelle and G-Man to look for how they handled each of you.

[Golden]

Preemptive warning that my area is getting pummeled by snow between now and saturday, so there’s a slight chance I could lose power at some point. If that happens, idk if I’ll be able to be present for the end game here, which obviously sucks hard. I don’t think that’s super likely to happen, but it’s not impossible.

I’m several miles north of the areas that are supposed to be hit the worst, and it’s not actually that cold and, for the moment, there’s no wind either. It’s just steady snowfall for 48 hours, as far as I can tell.

Are you around for the next two hours?

[Golden]

Oh wait you sent that five hours ago. Sorry!

[Golden]

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Quin's first mention of Elo reads more like an attempt to shade Scotty than Eloh, although Quin ends on Eloh by the end of the day.

[Golden]

Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.

Possible distancing, huh? So you think Elo is bad then?

Yes, in that I think you're w/w. I want to expand on my independent reads on you both when I get home.

Follows that up with a second post which is effectively 'yes, I think Eloh is bad in the specific scenario where you are both bad'.

I like doing this kind of thing as wolf... setting up a thing in advance where I can bus a teammate if needed but justify lynching a civ afterwards.

Interestingly, this is also the point at which Sloonei, you declare "Quin is town", before he does his later Scotty/Eloh analysis. What was it for you by this point?

[Golden]

Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.

Possible distancing, huh? So you think Elo is bad then?

Yes, in that I think you're w/w. I want to expand on my independent reads on you both when I get home.

Cool. In the meantime, vote for Elo, my partner. Then we can go from there.

Although I’m not even certain Elo is the cat in the hat for the day, so to speak

Then why do you want me to vote for her? Why are you voting for her? There's still 24 hours to wreak havoc, you know.

And then we get this.

I wasn't really expecting to see this so quickly, and there may be some confirmation bias, but Quin's first three posts about Eloh really feel like he got himself stuck in a w/w read of scotty/elo and then struggled to extract himself convincingly from that elo suspicion. I wonder if it ever comes up again past day one.

[Golden]

Alright, I'm here! It may take me a bit to get back into the groove of things, not that I ever had a really good groove with mafia. But, looking forward to some old-time fun!

Eloh's first post has an excuse in it.

Votes should be expressed in the thread though, like this:
[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

Let the little man whisper!

I will HAPPILY use an adverb, but it may take me a while to get used to the vote tag thing. Have patience.

Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

I would say it is something to consider.

I'm not a fan of changing votes. I like to take the day to interact and observe without being hasty.

Sig says votes are changeable. I don't see how he could have known this before voting. I can only find him sus right away as his hasty vote would most likely land on a civ.

Yeah if only there were a role that explicitly stated (hey look guys, adverb. I'm multitasking!) that votes were changeable.

Maybe Eloh missed that part, though. I guess if it were an indie role or a mafia role, and Eloh were a civ and had no reason to read up on the mafia/indie sides of things, that could be it.

But if that role were not an indie or mafia role, and Eloh were a mafia or an indie and would have reason to be more focused on that side of the board, I could see a world where Eloh might forgo reading up on the civ side of things.

So, rule number 5 says the "votes are changeable. MAYBE." Then, I did read the roles including Moveable Votes, but didn't understand it. I was looking at it like a RULE and not a ROLE, probably b/c I had been in the car all day traveling. But I just had a lightbulb moment looking back at it now after a good night's sleep! So, I definitely get it now.

I no longer suspect sig atm. We shall see what's to come.

methinks the baker might be baking up some sugar-free excuses here

All the initial post told me is that Eloh didn't read the roles thoroughly before posting. What does Eloh having not reading the roles thoroughly tell you about her alignment? Hopefully this is a rhetorical question.

In all seriousness, this Day 1 is going to be bizarre because I’m going to feel dirty eliminating a player that has made a triumphant return after a lengthy break only to be yeeted early.

I suppose I can take solace in the fact that rezz’s are in the game. But for day 1? It just feelsbadman.jpg

I guess we could always all just vote for dog lol

"yeet" and "yeeted" are not allowed in old school mafia games. Silly Scotty, yeets are for kids.

I think you mean Yeezys.

Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

I remember catching a scum Dana years ago on her first game back in ages (my first game with her, she was great). She used her time away as a crutch to excuse her inability to contribute and it just felt like she couldn't integrate herself into the thread. It could be the same thing here, but I'm happy to sit on it and let that idea progress.

And, I'm not lying about the role thing. I didn't understand the movable votes until I reread the roles this morning after reading DH's comments. I must have more tired than I thought last night b/c everything was much clearer this morning.

That’s fair. I often overanalyze roles in my pregame analysis and make bold assumptions that can be easily disproven with the obvious information given.

I think another part of your explanation that is still not swaying me, however, is the way you’ve presented your suspicion for sig in so many words, then just as succinctly dropped your suspicion for him without offering any other reads for other players. It’s very cookie-cutter apple pie and although it doesn’t lack logical progression, it does seem to lack that extra scoop of ice cream a-la-mode

First of all, I don't remember using "so many words." Second, there was not much to go on at the time of that post. I will most likely have more reads as the day goes on. But for DAY ONE, unless someone majorly slips, any reads are kind-of a shot in the dark. If I were to make a guess, though, I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

I get a stronger Scotty/Eloh team vibe reading Scotty's posts than the other way around. This makes me want to do a fluff count on Scotty's posts.

Spoiler: show

Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?

So you're voting for Eloh because she acted on a weak suspicion, backtracked on it nearly as soon as it was called out, and offered a "whatever sticks" explanation as to her actions?

Why is that not a slam dunk? Where is this hesitation and hedging coming from? Is she doing an OMGUS to you or are you doing an OMGUS to her?

It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I need reveals to better get a sense for players.

This could very well just be a player personality that I’m reading too much into.

Though I wouldn’t call this hedging. I’m currently voting there

Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.

I don’t really like the whole Elo vs Scotty thing. I do feel like Elo was a little quick to jump on sig who is an easy target, but as someone who almost never thoroughly reads the rules, I can wholeheartedly understand missing something like that. And in most cases wouldn’t it be easier for a mafia Elo to just leave that mild suspicion of sig out there instead. Scotty’s suspicion also seems quick to jump on something little.
Maybe I’ll reread it after the kids are asleep

kidS! Yay! How many now and what ages?

[I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

What does a Day 1 town player act like?

I think that civvie behavior on day 1 is more personalized than baddie behavior. For instance, if Blooper were here and she didn't make a single post on Day 1, I would not suspect her for it. But, if Pink were here and did not post on day 1, I think that would be something to keep an eye on. Unfortunately, there are three players here that I don't think I've ever played with, so they will probably escape a vote from me today unless something extreme happens.

Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

leeway
noun
1.
the amount of freedom to move or act that is available.

Do I understand coorect, you ask for a day 1 pass here?

Yes, that is correct. I am smart enough to look up the word before I post it as well If you knew me, you would know that it is classic Eloh to say five words and be suspected right out of the gate.

I am she. And I am eastern standard. 3:54pm atm.

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@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.
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@ Michelle

Judging from my perspective I don't consider others' reads except they are my town reads. Had Eloh said they town read Scotty and Golden? Because if not, why do you think they should post more and reconsider?

It left a bad impression that Eloh claimed to have found a reason to be sus on sig but went off when a few dropped opposite conclusions. Maybe I'm expecting too much from early pages but that would have made for a fine topic to ruffle some heads early on if I were them.

This really isn't that difficult folks. I misinterpreted the roles and thought no one KNEW if votes were movable or not yet. Then, I reread the roles after getting some much needed sleep and wah-la, I understood it!

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@thellama73 I don't have a civ game, remember?
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“@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.”
Right, you said you weren’t one to vote early, but wholly offered that sig could be bad. That was your only read at the time. Tomato/potato.

“Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.”
Correct that I don’t want to get it wrong. I think I tend to struggle on correct D1 reads. But a broken clock is right twice a day, eh?

If I had edged off you, would that response have looked better? I’m just continuing to get OMGUS vibes here.

@Elohcin If you could vote someone right now, who would you vote? GTH, as they’d say

I actually felt like your response was you "edging off me", so I'm confused by the question. It's like you thought, "Shoot, I really could be wrong here so I'm going to back off and say that my theory wasn't a slam dunk," after driving it hard for so many posts. You backing off is what made me question your civ status further. You may say I did the same thing with sig (flippity-flop), but really it wouldn't be true. I made a couple comments, in a tired state, about sig being sus right before going to bed. Then, when I woke up and saw comments about it, I reread the rules and roles, had a derp moment, and backed off. I really think you just need to let that go and let us move on.

I hate GTH questions and refuse to answer them.

New read, Bea is civ bc she would know when day ends if she had BTSC.

Eloh thinks that her not reading the roles is NAI and Scotty should back off. She also thinks Scotty is bad for backing off. I want to come up with a cool metaphor like Scotty does but I can't so I'm just going to say this sounds like distancing.

EBWOP: actually...if you really were scared you were wrong, then you'd have to be civ. It's getting close to my bedtime again. I'm useless in the evening and should not play mafia at this time. This is why I work during the first half of my day. I don't know what I think anymore.

So Eloh thinks Scotty is town? Is that where we ended?

I said I was going to figure out how Eloh and Scotty read independent of eachother and I've just finished my Eloh read and all I can think about is Scotty.

I do not understand this progression, and I don't understand how Sloonei townread Quin for it. He isos Eloh, says 'he gets a stronger team vibe from reading scotty's posts then the other way around' but two posts later 'I've just finished my elo read and all I can think about is scotty.'

[Golden]

Then Quin votes for Dharmahelper, before eventually settling on Elo

My day 1 read:

Quin was all over Elo (something I knew), but I feel like a dumbass for not going back and reading this sooner/paying more attention. Every part of his suspicion feels like an excuse to vote Scotty and his vote for Elo almost feels thread-forced and like something he backed himself in to. This alleviates one of my central thoughts for why Elo is a civ - that the day one wagon was awfully dangerous.

On the other hand, Quin barely interacted with Sloonei, other than a slightly awkward response to a town read. In my memory that interaction was more two-sided.

[Golden]

Quin has a similar style to me.

I was widely misread as a suspect yesterday.

Quin seems to be widely suspected today.

How do you feel about DH?

I have thoughts about DH. But I will have to express them more tomorrow when I’m not typing away on my phone in the dark while my wife tries to sleep

He has not ruffled my feathers yet. I admittedly have not taken any time to focus on any players in particular this game. Nearly all of my activity has been sitting around and engaging with the thread in real time.

I expect to fix that tomorrow afternoon.

I would like to see how your read of me progresses as you catch up. It doesn't seem like you've been invested in what others are saying about me and you've been reading me based on tone instead. That doesn't fly with me knowing I could have been lynched yesterday and was one of two counter wagons to your own. Town Sloonei is better than a gut-fuelled self pres vote.

This is a bizarre post and I don't understand it much at all. This is the first thing I've found in Quin's iso which gives me 'could be distancing from Sloonei' vibes.

[Golden]

I'm not sure if Quin is on LoraB for the same reasons as Scotty.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite

Did you just role claim a mafia role?

[VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in

If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.

These two posts go together. LoRab thinks this jokey scum claim from Scotty is alignment indicative (a later post clarifies this somewhat). I'm okay with that.

Do you sus Scotty for that ?

Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.

Follows from the above, but I am confused at the "looking for votes as a civ thing" part. Need her to explain this.

Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.

I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.

Her conclusion from all this is that he's town, because scum reading LoRab in this game is a thing civilians do. But also, Scotty could be scum because 'switcheroo'. Do you think you deserve to be scum read, LoRab? I do.

I am not going to, but tempted to vote axehole, because he doesn’t seem to honor at all the way other people play, and not adapting to the way many of us are used to. Which is frustrating, and I’m trying not to let me suspect him because I’m annoyed. Similar with VIVA.

This post may as well have not been made. It has nothing to do with the game.

Voting Bea.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

I don’t suspect her much, but I don’t have a read on her yet. And I want her to come out and play more.

Give me a better reason than this for why you voted bea, please. The last two posts set you up to look like you were making the most inoffensive vote possible.

@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.

Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.

Revising what I said before. I misremembered this post as LoRab talking about not wanting to explain her town reads, which I thought was a bad look because she lacked the clout needed for scum to want to react to them. Now reading it again, that's all because Scotty specified town reads in his ISO. What a nugget. I'm not concerned if she's holding back on her scum reads.

I still have absolutely no idea what is going on in LoRab's head besides "Scotty could be either good or bad".

Not repeating Scotty's ISO in here, I agree with all of it. You said you have more time, so I'd appreciate you using it to respond to this, and provide reads. [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

I’m gonna identify a pattern for you.

Popping in. I’ll be driving most of the day, and so I can do so safely, will not be posting and driving. But I will try to check in on stops.

Note well use adverb above, as well as in this sentence.

Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.

I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.

Home from work. Just finished reading through the rest of day. And don’t worry—I’m going to vote. There’s over 20 minutes left. Why rush?

I'm here!! Went to bed before the results posted last night (because I'm an old person). RIPIYWG (nd you probably were), Splints. (and yes, I know that all of the night victims are likely civ, but I make no assumptions--assumptions are dangerous in this game). And sorry that this post is kind of all over the place.

Splints is a good player, and so I can see why she'd be a N1 target for mafia. Especially if one of the players is someone whom she historically has been able to read. Now I need to remember who that could be. And, mafia knows that anyone not on their team is civ, so is a good target no matter what.

And I should have a normal-er schedule now, so can post more regularly. And maybe actually get reads on people.

Also, I swear that I totally submitted a song for the contest, but now that message seems to have disappeared, and it's super weird. And I'm curious where it went to.

Looking at the visible night results, Kate was Greened and Bea was somethinged. Not knowing what role/circumstance had that effect on Bea, hard to say if that's good or bad. I disagree with whomever said it was a result of the map poll--since she wasn't the only Canada voter, but seems to be the only one whose posts have been altered. And she even said (I think?) that it wasn't Vompatti.

I have more thoughts and I'll remember them later.

@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.

Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.

Anyone else noticing the pattern?

Spoiler: show

It’s full of excuses.

Now I want to preface that I know she has outlined her time constraints. Everyone has a life outside the game. But the excuses are starting to add up and there’s nothing to show with it. All of her posts have been real nothing burgers and she’s obviously reading along because she’s made multiple comments like “did he just claim mafia” and “it’s weird that JJJ is voting” and yet “I have no reads” or “I have town reads but don’t want to give the mafia any ideas”

I expect more…something substantive at this point.

What do you have to say about Scotty and my ISO's of LoRab?

I would like to know why you used him as your lynchpin for your LoraB vote. His ISO is too vast for you to say you agree with all of it imho.

I have written why I think he‘s town already.

Wouldn‘t say my vote is supposed to be a high confidence vote. I think that creating certain blocks in the VC can be beneficial.

Your EoD was sort of cheeky I guess and I don‘t find your rationale for voting with Scotty that convincing for now

His ISO of multiple posts came to the single conclusion that LoRab is making excuses for her lack of engagement. Not vast. I agreed with it and said the exact same thing was happening in Eloh's Day 1, who I am significantly more satisfied with her Day 2, btw.

LoRab is female btw, if you were referring to her second line.

As I suspected, Elo just evaporated from Quin's suspicion list on day 2 with nothing more than this offhand comment.

[Golden]

FYI it took two days of being on the chopping block for Sloonei to ask literally anything of me.

If this is distancing it's weird distancing.

[Golden]

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Quin's next mention of Eloh is this vote post on day 4, where he remained when bea got lynched.

[Golden]

Second @Quin why did you vote Eloh? You apparently suspected her day one (although all that Scotty/Elo stuff felt manufactured even then to me), but you said you didn't want to vote her but watch her, then voted her anyway, then basically never mentioned her again until your vote on day 4.

Eloh looked like an unengaged scum on Day 1. I would have liked to let her live if I wasn't also in danger that day. That changed, and she looked good in the her LoRab content so I changed my read.

Then her bea vote stank in comparison, where she just dumped it without intent to engage.

I noticed this at the time. I thought about it as Quin trying to avoid looking bad for being on the bea vote. Because I presumed a town slip, I never thought about it through the lens of 'why Elo'.

This is a bad reason for 'why elo'. There was general consensus on bea (and I'd maintain the bea lynch was a 'good lynch', it was just wrong), and singling out elo in that bunch feels weird to me.

And that's it. He doesn't go back to Elo on day 5, he just tried to no u me for getting traction on his lynch.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Quin down, and I feel substantially worse about elo in that comparison.

[Golden]

Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

leeway
noun
1.
the amount of freedom to move or act that is available.

Do I understand coorect, you ask for a day 1 pass here?

I think Dharma and Wilgy are villagers
I liked Scotty asking about the reason of receiving a town read

I have mixed feelings about Eloh I think they can go either way




I am sorry if I make any gender mistake, for players I don't know I will use they but I would appreciate help here.eta infos would be great!

Also I wish to know everyone's time zone.
I live in East Europe and for me is 10:30 pm now

[VOTE: Eloh] aubergine

There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.

Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.

Michelle's day one is far less damning for elo than Quin's, but it also isn't *great*.

Unlike Quin, Michelle never backed herself in to a corner to vote Elo. So her vote didn't need to be needlessly bussing her teammate.

However, if I'm reading the vote count correctly that Michelle posted only just before her vote, Eloh only had one vote when Michelle voted for her. Scotty and Sloonei had two, and the end of day hadn't developed. Sloonei moved to 4 before Eloh went to three. Michelle could have felt trapped and like jumping off Elo would be even worse. So now I see reasonable w!eloh aligned reasons for why Quin and Michelle could end up on that wagon.

For me the worst thing about this is that Michelle gives the same reason for suspecting Elo as quin did - that she mentioned IRL stuff.

[Golden]

I was doing the same thing Scotty, now i can go to sleep.

If anyone wants to ask me something I am still here for a while

Who would you be voting if there were no votes on the poll?

My vote is there not because it was a wagon.
My Poe is in Quin/Svs/DF/Golden/Vivax (not ordered) but if the wagon on Lorab was made to save Quin/Svs then one of them is bad for sure

Michelle's Elo suspicion also evaporates. I do not think I can find Michelle mentioning Elo at all, not even as a town read. She has this PoE which omits Elo, which is basically the closest I can find to a town read from that point.

She doesn't deeply interact with sloonei either.

Interestingly in this PoE, she says 'if Lorab wagon was to save Quin one of them is bad'. This is after G-Man has already flipped bad.

Sloonei, DFaraday, Elohcin, Scotty, Quin, G-Man

Michelle's entire team, other than Michelle, was on the LoRab wagon. But she includes Quin here (this was his lynch day) along with four civs as her PoE, two of whom were not on the LoRab wagon.

It's annoying because this could apply the same way to both of you!

[Golden]

Sloonei looks like he's posting a single read from time to time to see what happens.
It may be a towny way to test people.
Maybe is scum behaviour of throwing mud of the wall to see what sticks.
Gut says it's the first one, I hope I am right

There's not a tonne of Sloonei content in Michelle's iso either, but what there is feels like this quote above... which feels more like gentle handling than anything to me.

But now I really feel like I'm confirmation bias land... I'm beginning to see it as hard for me to vote anything but one sway.