Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

[Sabiplz]

Wilgz is more productive than Seanzie tbf

[Dennis]

Wilgz is more productive than Seanzie tbf

I don't know if you mean in general or just in this game, but from what I've seen he voted with 0 explanations or even reasons so I would have to disagree.

[Scotty]

I can accept people who know me and don’t fully trust me.

I cannot accept anyone going ‘gee, that golden, this looks just like that last game we just played’. That deserves a smack over the head with a fish.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

lol wat

why are the votes I’ve received this game glorified no-u uno reverso votes?

The crux of my argument that you’re leaving out is that marmot scum read you. Part of the NK analysis.

Also we have a snack with a fish emoji:

[Golden]

Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.

You haven't played in years.

What's that supposed to mean?

To be fair, I haven’t been going to the gym

Yea your game seems way off

My game design theory, however, is still ace. And a 5/6 chance of a miselim does not seem worth the immediate certainty of knowing the faction of the flip. If that had ended tied I would have felt quite comfortable that both Sean and wilgy were more likely town than not on the basis of how the day developed.

[Golden]

I can accept people who know me and don’t fully trust me.

I cannot accept anyone going ‘gee, that golden, this looks just like that last game we just played’. That deserves a smack over the head with a fish.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

lol wat

why are the votes I’ve received this game glorified no-u uno reverso votes?

The crux of my argument that you’re leaving out is that marmot scum read you. Part of the NK analysis.

Also we have a snack with a fish emoji:

It’s bad analysis

[Golden]

Wilgz is more productive than Seanzie tbf

I would not have voted wilgy by eod if I had been there.

[robyn]

I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

which side of the fence do you fall on?

That's an excellent question. I'm still struggling with it myself, but I find myself wishing I hadn't killed Wilgy. Honestly, it's the guilt that gets me. That and we could've just lost a very high reputation civvie. So I think I'm with the older players, and THAT is probably because I was raised by one of the older players and somewhere in there I was taught 'killing people is bad'. So, I would probably have Wilgy alive still.

can you elaborate on the feeling of guilt

[Golden]

I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

which side of the fence do you fall on?

Good question. Dennis?

Plus it's not that we'd have NO info, we'd have less.

See? Another similarity. We both complimented your question. Could be complete coincidence, but for now I'm willing to say Kate and I will play relatively similar.

I like you

[Dennis]

I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

which side of the fence do you fall on?

That's an excellent question. I'm still struggling with it myself, but I find myself wishing I hadn't killed Wilgy. Honestly, it's the guilt that gets me. That and we could've just lost a very high reputation civvie. So I think I'm with the older players, and THAT is probably because I was raised by one of the older players and somewhere in there I was taught 'killing people is bad'. So, I would probably have Wilgy alive still.

can you elaborate on the feeling of guilt

I don't know what you mean, exactly. I feel bad that Wilgy doesn't get to play the game he signed up. That's kinda it.

[Dennis]

I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

which side of the fence do you fall on?

Good question. Dennis?

Plus it's not that we'd have NO info, we'd have less.

See? Another similarity. We both complimented your question. Could be complete coincidence, but for now I'm willing to say Kate and I will play relatively similar.

I like you

I like you too.

[Sabiplz]

Wilgz is more productive than Seanzie tbf

I don't know if you mean in general or just in this game, but from what I've seen he voted with 0 explanations or even reasons so I would have to disagree.

In general. Wilgz takes like by D2-d3 to catch wolves because he looks at flips

[Golden]

Also Dennis… welcome to mafia. The guilt comes with the territory. But there’s always another game for wilgy.

[Sabiplz]

Wilgz is more productive than Seanzie tbf

I would not have voted wilgy by eod if I had been there.

You still voted him.....

[robyn]

I don't know what you mean, exactly. I feel bad that Wilgy doesn't get to play the game he signed up. That's kinda it.

thanks

[Golden]

Wilgz is more productive than Seanzie tbf

I would not have voted wilgy by eod if I had been there.

You still voted him.....

And?

[robyn]

one last thing, @Scotty what's your current read on me?

[Golden]

I don’t regret voting wilgy. I still think it’s funny. It’s just a fact that I didn’t intend him to die and I would have recreated the tie if I’d been there to do it.

[Kate]

Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.

You haven't played in years.

What's that supposed to mean?

To be fair, I haven’t been going to the gym

Yea your game seems way off

My game design theory, however, is still ace. And a 5/6 chance of a miselim does not seem worth the immediate certainty of knowing the faction of the flip. If that had ended tied I would have felt quite comfortable that both Sean and wilgy were more likely town than not on the basis of how the day developed.

Sorry, my post should have been in orange

[robyn]

also @Sabiplz are you using she/her pronouns too?

[Golden]

Sabi is playing with plenty of salt. Anyone know whether this is AI?

[robyn]

Sabi is playing with plenty of salt. Anyone know whether this is AI?

it's not

[Scotty]

My gut says the wilgy wagon is 100% clean

My gut says why did you get 3 scoops of butter rum in a waffle cone today

[Sabiplz]

also @Sabiplz are you using she/her pronouns too?

No

[Sabiplz]

Lucy can confirm I'm always salty

[Sabiplz]

I dont know if I want to kill Golden or Seanzie more atp

[Golden]

My gut says the wilgy wagon is 100% clean

My gut says why did you get 3 scoops of butter rum in a waffle cone today

Oh damn that sounds good

[robyn]

can confirm sabi would've died ages ago if they were a snail

[Sabiplz]

Lucy you want to educate everyone on me and how I play

[Golden]

I dont know if I want to kill Golden or Seanzie more atp

If you wanna do it to me you better do it at night because there ain’t no way you’ll get me lynched without my old bunch knowing I’m supatown. I’ve hit my groove.

[robyn]

Lucy you want to educate everyone on me and how I play

not particularly, I'll indoctrinate them if it becomes relevant, though

[Sabiplz]

I dont know if I want to kill Golden or Seanzie more atp

If you wanna do it to me you better do it at night because there ain’t no way you’ll get me lynched without my old bunch knowing I’m supatown. I’ve hit my groove.

I am waiting for said og to announce that you're town because so far I haven't seen that and scotty is sring you soooooo

[Golden]

EBWOP: elimmed… taking me some getting used to.

[Sabiplz]

Lucy you want to educate everyone on me and how I play

not particularly, I'll indoctrinate them if it becomes relevant, though

I feel like it might be necessary

[Golden]

I dont know if I want to kill Golden or Seanzie more atp

If you wanna do it to me you better do it at night because there ain’t no way you’ll get me lynched without my old bunch knowing I’m supatown. I’ve hit my groove.

I am waiting for said og to announce that you're town because so far I haven't seen that and scotty is sring you soooooo

Scotty ain’t one of my ogs

[Golden]

I legit forgot we have this and it brings me joy

[Golden]

Hey, @fingersplints

[Golden]

Any volunteers?

[Scotty]

I don't like the golden votes, would much rather kill an inactive or seanzie today, even though I don't really have a read on golden besides they're an active participant of this game

We know somebody is submitting the kills. Inactives could be a part of the team but not all.

Who would want to kill Marmot? Was it a dog dodge, was he just a top townread or was he digging where he shouldn’t have? Those are the questions I’m asking

[Golden]

I am willing to bet all the glory and also ten bonus points that the wilgy wagon is 100% clean but only the first taker can have the bet.

Also there’s negative glory in taking this bet if you’re a wolf who knows I’m wrong. I know cowards and that’s the move if a coward.

[Scotty]

like I can read a few words or a single message and just *know* the alignment of someone, and I am never wrong in it, happens once per game for me and it happens very easily when I'm dealing with new players such as yourself which doesn't count towards my 1 wolf per day quota

is this…actually somethitn you’re known to do?

Because this smells like TMI

[Scotty]

let him do what?

Voted to push a civ over the edge.

this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence

Well I thought he was mafia yesterday and his end of day behavior didn't help that at all.

My thoughts on Dennis don't assume Sean is bad. Him placing the last vote on any civ wasn't going to look good since we (the civs) do know for certain one way or the other and they (maf) do. If I were on dennis' mafia team I'd strongly counsel him not to be the deciding vote on anyone who was a civ. Plus his actions seem instinctive, not like they were well thought out with other players.

I don’t get it. In what world is mafia Sean threatening to unvote wilgy and elim himself just no ensure an elim if he’s bad.

Threatening to do it and actually doing it are two VERY different things.

I just can’t square away a Seanzie wolf read at all at this point. I think there isn’t a single aspect of his game that makes sense as wolf.

What about his unvote on sabi when it was 5-3? Like, that’s basically the same thing as what he threatened to do, and he actually did it.

-He racked up a ton of votes by midday and no one was seemingly budging
-He refused to offer alternatives with any merit or explanation
-He remained aloof and simultaneously snippy at times
-His unvoting means nothing because he was already in the lead looking to croak. But doing so broadcasts “I’m not afraid to die, come at me” which is legitimate gambit that I see mafia do all the time.

But yeah; there’s not a single aspect of his game that makes sense as wolf

[Scotty]

I don't like the golden votes, would much rather kill an inactive or seanzie today, even though I don't really have a read on golden besides they're an active participant of this game

Seanzies vote on me is fine, he thinks I’m trying to white night him.

Scotty’s vote is so manufactured that it’ll still be floating in the Pacific garbage island 2000 years from now.

lol

Does that mean you’re black knighting me?

[Golden]

Yeah to me none of that feels wolfy

[Scotty]

Scotty’s vote is so manufactured that it’ll still be floating in the Pacific garbage island 2000 years from now.

agreed on scotty playing poorly, but I don't think that's wolf indicative

Playing poorly?

First I’ve heard of it from you

[Golden]

Also regarding the bet, wolves can still claim the bonus points just not the glory

[Dennis]

Any volunteers?

Me! Me pick me!

What am I volunteering for though?

[robyn]

like I can read a few words or a single message and just *know* the alignment of someone, and I am never wrong in it, happens once per game for me and it happens very easily when I'm dealing with new players such as yourself which doesn't count towards my 1 wolf per day quota

is this…actually somethitn you’re known to do?

Because this smells like TMI

yes, https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Light-13er

I did it here

► Show Spoiler

I was wrong and lost f3 because of it, but I still do it in games and sabi can confirm

[Dennis]

Voted to push a civ over the edge.

this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence

Well I thought he was mafia yesterday and his end of day behavior didn't help that at all.

My thoughts on Dennis don't assume Sean is bad. Him placing the last vote on any civ wasn't going to look good since we (the civs) do know for certain one way or the other and they (maf) do. If I were on dennis' mafia team I'd strongly counsel him not to be the deciding vote on anyone who was a civ. Plus his actions seem instinctive, not like they were well thought out with other players.

I don’t get it. In what world is mafia Sean threatening to unvote wilgy and elim himself just no ensure an elim if he’s bad.

Threatening to do it and actually doing it are two VERY different things.

I just can’t square away a Seanzie wolf read at all at this point. I think there isn’t a single aspect of his game that makes sense as wolf.

What about his unvote on sabi when it was 5-3? Like, that’s basically the same thing as what he threatened to do, and he actually did it.

-He racked up a ton of votes by midday and no one was seemingly budging
-He refused to offer alternatives with any merit or explanation
-He remained aloof and simultaneously snippy at times
-His unvoting means nothing because he was already in the lead looking to croak. But doing so broadcasts “I’m not afraid to die, come at me” which is legitimate gambit that I see mafia do all the time.

But yeah; there’s not a single aspect of his game that makes sense as wolf

Is this last sentence sarcasm, just to be clear?

[Golden]

I don't like the golden votes, would much rather kill an inactive or seanzie today, even though I don't really have a read on golden besides they're an active participant of this game

Seanzies vote on me is fine, he thinks I’m trying to white night him.

Scotty’s vote is so manufactured that it’ll still be floating in the Pacific garbage island 2000 years from now.

lol

Does that mean you’re black knighting me?

Black knight to E4

[Golden]

Any volunteers?

Me! Me pick me!

What am I volunteering for though?