Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
I’m voting [VOTE:
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Oh, your avatar pic isn't showing, so I've not noticed your posts. My bad
[VOTE: someone else, I'll get back to ya] aubergine
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lucy you got sum' 'splainin' to dooooooooo] aubergine
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:45 pmYeah agreed, I didn’t think you were doing any defending either.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:28 pmI meant more their original post where they quoted one early D1 post by me as justification for a scumread as if they were told in wolfchat I should be an easy push today.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:49 am@Seanzie You mean this? What do you feel is lacklustre about this, cuz' I tend to agree with this read on your D1, regardless of your theoretical green flipSoneji wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:33 amThe bold is quite the assumption. If you did anything to improve your standing past your opening, you may not even be a primary suspect, but your defense was part open-wolfing and lots of deflection, and you spent the entire day just on the defense contributing little else to the thread.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:54 am The chances of town!anyone looking at that single early D1 joke post from me and concluding I'm a wolf at this juncture without any regard to anything else is very low.
Couple that with how Soneji spends tons of lip service on Lucy and Mata, but not me. Almost as if Soneji has been told in wolfchat that I'm an easy push today, so Soneji didn't feel the need to actually develop any critical thought about me.
This indicates that likely Soneji and Sabi are partnered because Soneji would only do this lacklustre push on me if they needed to possibly end up on me to save a teammate.
I don't quote everything that is part of my suspicion, if I did my multiquote walls would get enormous, and with you in particular majority of your posts were bad.
I'm not even pushing anyone yet, but you're already freaking out as if I'm going to focus you over lucy/mata/Wilgy voters.
As far as D1 goes, I don't think I was actually ever defendinng myself, and saying the word "open wolfing" doesn't actually add to an argument, but okay.
I’ve asked those suspecting you to explain it aside from your interactions with me. I don’t recall anyone taking me up on that.
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At this time, I’m dandy with my Sabi vote. I could also vote for Lucy again. She came in to vote for a low poster. She votes for one of the two people with two posts. One person had some content, the other none. She voted for the one with content.
When asked about this, she gave a vague answer that didn’t really explain it. The low poster she DIDN’T vote for showed up an hour or so later. Hrm.
But my primary suspicion relates to how I feel Sabi was trying to steer, and got frustrated at pushback. So unless there’s a big change, Lucy is a secondary suspicion.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Denim. Nice, faded blueSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:02 pmS~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:45 pmYeah agreed, I didn’t think you were doing any defending either.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:28 pmI meant more their original post where they quoted one early D1 post by me as justification for a scumread as if they were told in wolfchat I should be an easy push today.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:49 am@Seanzie You mean this? What do you feel is lacklustre about this, cuz' I tend to agree with this read on your D1, regardless of your theoretical green flipSoneji wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:33 amThe bold is quite the assumption. If you did anything to improve your standing past your opening, you may not even be a primary suspect, but your defense was part open-wolfing and lots of deflection, and you spent the entire day just on the defense contributing little else to the thread.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:54 am The chances of town!anyone looking at that single early D1 joke post from me and concluding I'm a wolf at this juncture without any regard to anything else is very low.
Couple that with how Soneji spends tons of lip service on Lucy and Mata, but not me. Almost as if Soneji has been told in wolfchat that I'm an easy push today, so Soneji didn't feel the need to actually develop any critical thought about me.
This indicates that likely Soneji and Sabi are partnered because Soneji would only do this lacklustre push on me if they needed to possibly end up on me to save a teammate.
I don't quote everything that is part of my suspicion, if I did my multiquote walls would get enormous, and with you in particular majority of your posts were bad.
I'm not even pushing anyone yet, but you're already freaking out as if I'm going to focus you over lucy/mata/Wilgy voters.
As far as D1 goes, I don't think I was actually ever defendinng myself, and saying the word "open wolfing" doesn't actually add to an argument, but okay.
I’ve asked those suspecting you to explain it aside from your interactions with me. I don’t recall anyone taking me up on that.
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At this time, I’m dandy with my Sabi vote. I could also vote for Lucy again. She came in to vote for a low poster. She votes for one of the two people with two posts. One person had some content, the other none. She voted for the one with content.
When asked about this, she gave a vague answer that didn’t really explain it. The low poster she DIDN’T vote for showed up an hour or so later. Hrm.
But my primary suspicion relates to how I feel Sabi was trying to steer, and got frustrated at pushback. So unless there’s a big change, Lucy is a secondary suspicion.
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I don't feel like I did anything to refute the claim. I am at least feeling okay about the chances of me having two wolves in my sight right now, but did I "do anything"? Nah, not really.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:51 pmWell, Soneji has mentioned they tend to wall post, so it's strange in that sense that the SR on your slot is based off just the 1 post of yours, but I do believe they follow up with more reasons later.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:28 pmI meant more their original post where they quoted one early D1 post by me as justification for a scumread as if they were told in wolfchat I should be an easy push today.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:49 am@Seanzie You mean this? What do you feel is lacklustre about this, cuz' I tend to agree with this read on your D1, regardless of your theoretical green flipSoneji wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:33 amThe bold is quite the assumption. If you did anything to improve your standing past your opening, you may not even be a primary suspect, but your defense was part open-wolfing and lots of deflection, and you spent the entire day just on the defense contributing little else to the thread.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:54 am The chances of town!anyone looking at that single early D1 joke post from me and concluding I'm a wolf at this juncture without any regard to anything else is very low.
Couple that with how Soneji spends tons of lip service on Lucy and Mata, but not me. Almost as if Soneji has been told in wolfchat that I'm an easy push today, so Soneji didn't feel the need to actually develop any critical thought about me.
This indicates that likely Soneji and Sabi are partnered because Soneji would only do this lacklustre push on me if they needed to possibly end up on me to save a teammate.
I don't quote everything that is part of my suspicion, if I did my multiquote walls would get enormous, and with you in particular majority of your posts were bad.
I'm not even pushing anyone yet, but you're already freaking out as if I'm going to focus you over lucy/mata/Wilgy voters.
As far as D1 goes, I don't think I was actually ever defendinng myself, and saying the word "open wolfing" doesn't actually add to an argument, but okay.
The rest of your 1st sentence tho...told in wolfchat you'd be an easy push...just feels weird.
You say you don't believe you were ever defending yourself? So, what were you doing? Soneji is calling you out for not contributing much to the thread, what do you feel you did to refute that claim?
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
You are one of my favourites
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Im awake for the moment, and caught up, I’m sick and I apologize for that. I like to be present in games but I didn’t see this winter crap coming on this early, so I’m going to do my best here
@Dennis I think you’re doing fabulous. If I didn’t know you through your mom, I would probably be suspicious of your performance and think you had a team. But I don’t think you are mafia at this time, because Ive heard you’re smart and driven to excel, and Kate probably helped prepare you well before the game ever started. My op could change, but I doubt it will.
@Scotty I am still susp of Sabi because her actions during day1 reminded me of old old-school mafia, when a wolf would start to build a case against someone by just slinging a little mud, and later, the teammates would join in and the result would be a miselim. But, nobody joined in right away. That gave me pause, like maybe I was seeing something that just wasn’t there. Then Sabi seemed to back off and give up and I still don’t like it. Unless Sabi flips, I’m not going to know anything for sure. And if she is bad, then I’ll go back and look for anyone who might have subtly supported her.
I could see voting Lucy as a second choice, because I don’t like the reasoning behind her vote for Bea. Low posting is NAI and I don’t understand why someone would use that as criteria for a vote.
If I missed any other questions for me, please remind me. I’ll check in often.
@Dennis I think you’re doing fabulous. If I didn’t know you through your mom, I would probably be suspicious of your performance and think you had a team. But I don’t think you are mafia at this time, because Ive heard you’re smart and driven to excel, and Kate probably helped prepare you well before the game ever started. My op could change, but I doubt it will.
@Scotty I am still susp of Sabi because her actions during day1 reminded me of old old-school mafia, when a wolf would start to build a case against someone by just slinging a little mud, and later, the teammates would join in and the result would be a miselim. But, nobody joined in right away. That gave me pause, like maybe I was seeing something that just wasn’t there. Then Sabi seemed to back off and give up and I still don’t like it. Unless Sabi flips, I’m not going to know anything for sure. And if she is bad, then I’ll go back and look for anyone who might have subtly supported her.
I could see voting Lucy as a second choice, because I don’t like the reasoning behind her vote for Bea. Low posting is NAI and I don’t understand why someone would use that as criteria for a vote.
If I missed any other questions for me, please remind me. I’ll check in often.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Current vote tally with about 6.5 hours left in Day 2:
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When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
So a tie on Lucy and sabi?
I don’t mind it.
I’d rather it just didn’t end in a tie by tonite
I don’t mind it.
I’d rather it just didn’t end in a tie by tonite
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Roxy I’ve been liking the cut of your gib but also I wanted to leave you alone until you were ready to reengage in the game.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:05 amThanks Mata for this and your post, I did not know about your hand not going to give you a pass but I do acknowledge your injury will make it hard for you to play normally. Plus I self voted so really it was embarrassing for me to ask about your vote but that's what we do. You do not even have to talk about thread bad vibes it's why I quit playing to begin with, it was just getting toxic for low posting style players.Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:13 pm im back and caught up. I apologize to G-man and players for missing the vote. This is not a great time of year for me, and unpleasantness in the thread yesterday just made me want to walk away for a bit.
However, new day. I’m going to address what I saw that refers to me, and then I have to go and do real life. Before I left, I also thought about the tie option as a way to prevent a possible civ kill. It’s never easy to be absolutely sure someone is bad on the first day, and I liked that option. I posted my d1 thoughts yesterday, and if I had to vote according to the list, it would have been Sabi, for the reasons I listed. But I wouldn’t have been hardcore certain about it, and after playing catch-up this morning, I would have been less certain, had I been here. I would have preferred the tie.
Im still seeing civ Golden, in regards to his OG call. Posts 480 to 486 (I think) are where I saw the civ Golden.
@kate hi. Im here. Didja miss me?
@SVS you might have to move me to the top of your list, based on my hand? Hand won’t be completely normal for a couple more months, but it’s healing well, and I can type. I stepped away for other reasons my list yesterday was just things I noticed that I felt were worth keeping an eye on. I’ve rarely ever had strong feelings about players on day 1. It’s usually day 3 before I start getting deep suspicions against players. But maybe I’ll see things today that I don’t like, if I do, I’ll comment.
@Roxy hiya! I explained my bad behavior above. It’s not an excuse, but I did what I had to do
I’ll be around today as much as possible, because playing catch up is mental overload.
I did read the posts after the night ended and seen the excuses and accusations flying rather quickly but the game seems to have moved beyond vote analysis. The controlling conversation comment is funny coming from you. High posters constantly and consistently control where the thread goes. Barely anyone responded to my effort. Also wtf is up with your cleats?Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:13 pm @Roxy hey I feel pretty good about my cleats but I’m not committed to tunnelling town.
But I think if you read the first, say, one and a half pages of today, there’s a ‘let’s carefully examine the wilgy train’ vibe and if there are no wolves in there trying to control the conversation in that direction I’ll be surprised. That’s my gut feel.
What did you think of my Sabi suspicion? I've noticed they already gave an excuse earlier (doming with Seanzie) and now seems to have moved onto - I don't mind dying just don't kill Scotty. Strange transition tbs as I expected some sort of vote analysis bc that was their reasoning for not trying hard day 1.
Sorry to hear about the baby Ariya has Covid then right after got RSV from a family who does not believe in ANY vaccines. But she is ok now - sending every good vibes with prayers your wayKate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:28 pmMe too. And I'm really glad I have this game right now. Someone, who is very inconsiderate, knowingly exposed the baby to rsv. She started getting symptoms last night and I ended up having to hold her all. Night. Long. Just so she could get some sleep. I'm not pleased.
So I mayormaynot be a little more quiet today, as I'm exhausted and have a sick 9 month old. This thread is definitely keeping a smile on my face though, at least intermittently. And I know that should have been green, but I haven't got the energy.
My self vote is what it was. I apologize but I have no regrets my mind was deffo elsewhere.fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:17 pmMeh ok so NAI but I’m still not voting there anywaysGolden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:58 pmDoubt she was around after, she self voted because of being robbed.fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:53 pm Still been doing some skimming in between bedtime routine stuff.
Atm I feel ok with SVS. She is putting a lot of thoughts out there. All that tie stuff seems unnecessary for a mafia to put out there and stick with. Idk just feels genuine to me. Can’t see myself voting there
Also won’t be voting for Rox definitely not feeling this as her mafia game, and also want to check the time of her self vote. Was she around after? Because likely if she had teammates they would have mentioned it was against the rules
I am totally digging the way your have gotten into the game. It makes me so happy. I also find myself agreeing with a number of your posts such as this one. So glad you decided to play.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:28 pm I wanna get a vote out quick this day so I'm gonna [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine
I feel like all she's done so far is read into the me and my family, and then make some sort of 'can't blame me for this' when doing something. Like her coldread on me, she said she 'just knows'. I don't like that one bit. Her votes in D1 have also been 'fine with wagoning' and 'seeing how this feels' so I don't like it. The coldread town (how do I word that) on me makes me think she might be WKing me.
Continuing my catch up
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This is a cultural thing and absolutely not AI but, like, I’ll slip back into mafia retirement if stuff like this becomes preferable to hunting.
This idea is just joyless.
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This is such a mountainous mindset at its heart I think. We have two cops and a doctor… plenty of info capability without forcing a flip on someone we think is town. It’s a numbers game too.Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:08 amKill for info good. Even if townKate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:52 amMore in the ongoing saga of flip a potential civ vs. No death. Neon can you add your thoughts on that meta?Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:22 am Holy fuck my brain is mush reading 1304 posts was a bad idea.
My catch up is town is
Me
SVS
Lucy
Dennis
I also think it's highly more probable than not that Sabi is town here. With that said I will never ever push sabi ever again even if I suspect them but in this case I'm highly comfortable saying I find it more likely that this behavior is indicative of town Sabi.
Also. Always flip the D1 CW
Always.
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
I mean. I don't think Seanzie is particularly towny anyways but
Brain mush. Good God
***don't take this to mean that I wish seanzie wasn't eliminated day one over wilgy, I'm still not feeling good about him.
I'm comfortable with the 3 wagons now. Sean/sabi/lucy.
Is a thing I've struggled to reconcile because my old end goal was to sweep the woofs every game I played but feasibly that's just not gonna happen. Woofs have knowledge we don't the only way to get that knowledge is through flips since most if is only have the power of our vote and way to much paranoia
I like what neon is bringing to the thread even as I disagree with literally every single aspect of cultural meta with a passion. Getting town vibes so far.
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Addressing all of these.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:25 amAnd why do we need Wilgy's flip?Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:21 amI didn't note this during my catch up but I'm noticing it now. Dennis why did you say "our" instead of "my"?
I don't see why Wilgy was any better a choice than Sean...has Denis given us some reasoning behind this implied TR of Sean?
At the time, I hadn't read into mostly any of Seanzie's posts. It was overwhelming for me to try and keep track of everyone while also explaining my actions. At EoD, I felt like we needed a kill and the information was necessary, and I had expressed distrust in Wilgy for not being on topic and just voting without explaination. That was what was in my head then--I still didn't know what to think of Seanzie.
I said 'our' instead of 'mine' because I was typing what came into my head without thinking. As I've said before, I felt like I was under a ton of pressure and freaked out. Whoopsies.
I didn't mean to imply a townread on Sean. It's essentially like this--in my head, Wilgy was a little weird, Seanzie was a clean slate, and I HAD to vote one of them.
Keep in mind this is my first game, so I didn't really know what to think of Wilgy playing the way he did. I got conflicting answers on if it was normal for him. Hopefully this explains what happened well.
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What's POE?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:09 amI never run.Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:01 am By the way I am still waiting on a reason that @falcon45ca voted Seanzie and I don't like that they just dropped a vote and ran. Even if it's just something like 'same as day 1' (which should probably be reconsidered now but whatever) I don't see a good civ reason for doing that.
I skip, saunter, sprint, or stroll...
but RUN???
Nevah
I am voting Sean cuz' I don't see why they're still not POE. Marmot tossing Wilgy out when Wilgy's actions were very clearly NAI for D1 Wilgy...not too keen on that I must say.
Honorable scum mention to Sabi, Lucy, & Soneji
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Yeah, I have said if one isbad its Lucy.
Marmot is flipped
I know it’s not me
Seanzie is my top town at this point
SVS is also my top town at this point. They’re fighting for it.
I feel like the Dennis vote is clean.
I’m vibing town on Lucy but there’s some little reasons for doubt.
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I don’t think I’ll ever convince you or sway you one way or another here, but saying eliminating someone D1 is separate to hunting is not quite true. A detective thrives on clues, and sometimes that clue is costly, but it helps the solve.
Not eliminating D1- or in general in a game that doesn’t have much mech- is like trying to solve this:
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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I would like you to give me one tangible piece of information you think Wilgy's flip has given us that assists us in solving the game today.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:42 pmI don’t think I’ll ever convince you or sway you one way or another here, but saying eliminating someone D1 is separate to hunting is not quite true. A detective thrives on clues, and sometimes that clue is costly, but it helps the solve.
Not eliminating D1- or in general in a game that doesn’t have much mech- is like trying to solve this:
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Q: what is the cop or doc was NK’d last night and we didn’t flip anyone D1?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:35 pmThis is such a mountainous mindset at its heart I think. We have two cops and a doctor… plenty of info capability without forcing a flip on someone we think is town. It’s a numbers game too.Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:08 amKill for info good. Even if townKate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:52 amMore in the ongoing saga of flip a potential civ vs. No death. Neon can you add your thoughts on that meta?Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:22 am Holy fuck my brain is mush reading 1304 posts was a bad idea.
My catch up is town is
Me
SVS
Lucy
Dennis
I also think it's highly more probable than not that Sabi is town here. With that said I will never ever push sabi ever again even if I suspect them but in this case I'm highly comfortable saying I find it more likely that this behavior is indicative of town Sabi.
Also. Always flip the D1 CW
Always.
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
I mean. I don't think Seanzie is particularly towny anyways but
Brain mush. Good God
***don't take this to mean that I wish seanzie wasn't eliminated day one over wilgy, I'm still not feeling good about him.
I'm comfortable with the 3 wagons now. Sean/sabi/lucy.
Is a thing I've struggled to reconcile because my old end goal was to sweep the woofs every game I played but feasibly that's just not gonna happen. Woofs have knowledge we don't the only way to get that knowledge is through flips since most if is only have the power of our vote and way to much paranoia
I like what neon is bringing to the thread even as I disagree with literally every single aspect of cultural meta with a passion. Getting town vibes so far.
Ruh roh raggy
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not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
What if Wilgy was the cop or doc?Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:45 pmQ: what is the cop or doc was NK’d last night and we didn’t flip anyone D1?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:35 pmThis is such a mountainous mindset at its heart I think. We have two cops and a doctor… plenty of info capability without forcing a flip on someone we think is town. It’s a numbers game too.Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:08 amKill for info good. Even if townKate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:52 amMore in the ongoing saga of flip a potential civ vs. No death. Neon can you add your thoughts on that meta?Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:22 am Holy fuck my brain is mush reading 1304 posts was a bad idea.
My catch up is town is
Me
SVS
Lucy
Dennis
I also think it's highly more probable than not that Sabi is town here. With that said I will never ever push sabi ever again even if I suspect them but in this case I'm highly comfortable saying I find it more likely that this behavior is indicative of town Sabi.
Also. Always flip the D1 CW
Always.
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
I mean. I don't think Seanzie is particularly towny anyways but
Brain mush. Good God
***don't take this to mean that I wish seanzie wasn't eliminated day one over wilgy, I'm still not feeling good about him.
I'm comfortable with the 3 wagons now. Sean/sabi/lucy.
Is a thing I've struggled to reconcile because my old end goal was to sweep the woofs every game I played but feasibly that's just not gonna happen. Woofs have knowledge we don't the only way to get that knowledge is through flips since most if is only have the power of our vote and way to much paranoia
I like what neon is bringing to the thread even as I disagree with literally every single aspect of cultural meta with a passion. Getting town vibes so far.
Ruh roh raggy
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
You can’t be serious man.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:44 pmI would like you to give me one tangible piece of information you think Wilgy's flip has given us that assists us in solving the game today.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:42 pmI don’t think I’ll ever convince you or sway you one way or another here, but saying eliminating someone D1 is separate to hunting is not quite true. A detective thrives on clues, and sometimes that clue is costly, but it helps the solve.
Not eliminating D1- or in general in a game that doesn’t have much mech- is like trying to solve this:
Ok here, I’ll quote someone not me to help answer this:
There is a 0% chance you use this talking point if we hadn’t flipped Wilgy.Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:35 am I am willing to bet all the glory and also ten bonus points that the wilgy wagon is 100% clean but only the first taker can have the bet.
Also there’s negative glory in taking this bet if you’re a wolf who knows I’m wrong. I know cowards and that’s the move if a coward.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Do I think Wilgy was the optimal elim yesterday? Hell no, I didn’t want him to go. I said as much. But we can still learn from it as the game goes on.
Is the Wilgy wagon clean? Definitely a legit question, knowing he is civ
Is the Wilgy wagon clean? Definitely a legit question, knowing he is civ
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not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
False. in both w!wilgy and t!wilgy cases, I come out with the same reads on those people, because my reads are abotu the legitimacy of the thought process of their action in the moment and not at all about wilgy's flip. And I can hold both of those universes in my head without resolving which is true.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:48 pmThere is a 0% chance you use this talking point if we hadn’t flipped Wilgy.Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:35 am I am willing to bet all the glory and also ten bonus points that the wilgy wagon is 100% clean but only the first taker can have the bet.
Also there’s negative glory in taking this bet if you’re a wolf who knows I’m wrong. I know cowards and that’s the move if a coward.
This is literally my exact point. Wilgy's actual flip should be nearly the least important thing in being able to generate reads about what happened on day one (unless we got lucky and crapshooted a wolf).
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
In 99/100 worlds Sean/Wilgy were t/t yesterday. A tie for me would have gone close to townclearing both of them for me.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
What if anyone is the cop/doc? Why ever flip anyone?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:46 pmWhat if Wilgy was the cop or doc?Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:45 pmQ: what is the cop or doc was NK’d last night and we didn’t flip anyone D1?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:35 pmThis is such a mountainous mindset at its heart I think. We have two cops and a doctor… plenty of info capability without forcing a flip on someone we think is town. It’s a numbers game too.Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:08 amKill for info good. Even if townKate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:52 amMore in the ongoing saga of flip a potential civ vs. No death. Neon can you add your thoughts on that meta?Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:22 am Holy fuck my brain is mush reading 1304 posts was a bad idea.
My catch up is town is
Me
SVS
Lucy
Dennis
I also think it's highly more probable than not that Sabi is town here. With that said I will never ever push sabi ever again even if I suspect them but in this case I'm highly comfortable saying I find it more likely that this behavior is indicative of town Sabi.
Also. Always flip the D1 CW
Always.
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
I mean. I don't think Seanzie is particularly towny anyways but
Brain mush. Good God
***don't take this to mean that I wish seanzie wasn't eliminated day one over wilgy, I'm still not feeling good about him.
I'm comfortable with the 3 wagons now. Sean/sabi/lucy.
Is a thing I've struggled to reconcile because my old end goal was to sweep the woofs every game I played but feasibly that's just not gonna happen. Woofs have knowledge we don't the only way to get that knowledge is through flips since most if is only have the power of our vote and way to much paranoia
I like what neon is bringing to the thread even as I disagree with literally every single aspect of cultural meta with a passion. Getting town vibes so far.
Ruh roh raggy
And yes I see the point you’re trying to make in that we could have elimmed a power role before they had the chance to use their power. But that’s a risk that i think is worth it in the long run
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not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Tell that to the 4 people currently voting Seanzie
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Neon's vote counts as four!
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Like I said, I’m not going to sway you on this point. I’d have a better chance convincing my uncle that the NSA isn’t using birds to listen in on our freedomsGolden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:51 pmFalse. in both w!wilgy and t!wilgy cases, I come out with the same reads on those people, because my reads are abotu the legitimacy of the thought process of their action in the moment and not at all about wilgy's flip. And I can hold both of those universes in my head without resolving which is true.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:48 pmThere is a 0% chance you use this talking point if we hadn’t flipped Wilgy.Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:35 am I am willing to bet all the glory and also ten bonus points that the wilgy wagon is 100% clean but only the first taker can have the bet.
Also there’s negative glory in taking this bet if you’re a wolf who knows I’m wrong. I know cowards and that’s the move if a coward.
This is literally my exact point. Wilgy's actual flip should be nearly the least important thing in being able to generate reads about what happened on day one (unless we got lucky and crapshooted a wolf).
But you know what, that’s ok. As much as it irks me, I see your viewpoint and I am not saying it’s stupid. I can understand it
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not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
OOPS I read the votes wrong.
Never mind, ignore me on that. I can’t read.
Im also super loopy from the laughing gas I had this morning for my root canal
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:54 pmLike I said, I’m not going to sway you on this point. I’d have a better chance convincing my uncle that the NSA isn’t using birds to listen in on our freedomsGolden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:51 pmFalse. in both w!wilgy and t!wilgy cases, I come out with the same reads on those people, because my reads are abotu the legitimacy of the thought process of their action in the moment and not at all about wilgy's flip. And I can hold both of those universes in my head without resolving which is true.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:48 pmThere is a 0% chance you use this talking point if we hadn’t flipped Wilgy.Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:35 am I am willing to bet all the glory and also ten bonus points that the wilgy wagon is 100% clean but only the first taker can have the bet.
Also there’s negative glory in taking this bet if you’re a wolf who knows I’m wrong. I know cowards and that’s the move if a coward.
This is literally my exact point. Wilgy's actual flip should be nearly the least important thing in being able to generate reads about what happened on day one (unless we got lucky and crapshooted a wolf).
But you know what, that’s ok. As much as it irks me, I see your viewpoint and I am not saying it’s stupid. I can understand it
I do understand the other viewpoint too.
The reason I brought it up in the first place is to say 'no, ties are not anti-town' - ie, the meta should be 'no biggie which way you think about that, it probably depends on solving style'.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Part of my suspicion of sabi (probably even a decent part) is her handling of seanzie.Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:13 pmWhy would we kill scotty after you die based on a dichotomy if you were anything but Mafia??Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:07 pmSabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:00 pm I'm fine with dying, I really am busy with work and real life stuff atm so I can't and don't have the energy to fight for my life.
I request yall to kill Golden and Seanzie next when I do die. Don't kill scotty over some diachomy that doesn't exist.
Anyway have fun the rest of the phase. Have to get back to work.
I read your iso and there is little to even comment on.
I trust the people voting here. Therefore, [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
The early sus on a post I think is pretty innocuous, followed by tunnelling on him all day, followed by suddenly saying 'this is weird, I'm not sure any more' 30 minutes from EoD when it looked like no counterwagons would eventuate, followed by suspecting him and pushing wilgy voters when he didn't actually die.
Given you still suspect seanzie a bit, I feel like our reasons here are different. I get it's part me and SVS being here, but I'd also like to get more of a sense of your own take on sabi.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]
At 2:29, when it didn't look like there'd be any counterwagon to Seanzie
2.29 post feels to me like Sabi prepping early for the 'tunnelled a civ all day' backlash, and then had a reason to reverse course quickly enough that she didn't have to act.
By the start of day 2, she was able to pinpoint exact suspects.
Lastly, I think she's in antispew. And I think her final post is probably a good look for scotty if she's wolf, but maybe I should read it as NAI.
At 2:39, after there was a counterwagon on marmot to Seanzie
(All times are NZ Standard time).
2.29 post feels to me like Sabi prepping early for the 'tunnelled a civ all day' backlash, and then had a reason to reverse course quickly enough that she didn't have to act.
By the start of day 2, she was able to pinpoint exact suspects.
Lastly, I think she's in antispew. And I think her final post is probably a good look for scotty if she's wolf, but maybe I should read it as NAI.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
My day one town read of Lucy has waned enough on day 2 that I'm not going to be bothered if the vote ends up going that way.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Also let me add to this that a clean wilgy wagon developing is the wolves wet dream. I'm not sure why any of them would jump on. Having it clean creates such a good opportunity to steer direction, which is exactly why I think it happened.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:39 pmYeah, I have said if one isbad its Lucy.
Marmot is flipped
I know it’s not me
Seanzie is my top town at this point
SVS is also my top town at this point. They’re fighting for it.
I feel like the Dennis vote is clean.
I’m vibing town on Lucy but there’s some little reasons for doubt.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Honestly, I'm probably not going to get much chance to address this much better than I did last night. I did read through their posts and went straight to my own post to make sure my vote was in place. I've got a very sick 9 month old and I have about a 45 minute break right now and then I have to go to the dr. I don't have the energy to go back and reassess again.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:57 pmPart of my suspicion of sabi (probably even a decent part) is her handling of seanzie.Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:13 pmWhy would we kill scotty after you die based on a dichotomy if you were anything but Mafia??Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:07 pmSabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:00 pm I'm fine with dying, I really am busy with work and real life stuff atm so I can't and don't have the energy to fight for my life.
I request yall to kill Golden and Seanzie next when I do die. Don't kill scotty over some diachomy that doesn't exist.
Anyway have fun the rest of the phase. Have to get back to work.
I read your iso and there is little to even comment on.
I trust the people voting here. Therefore, [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
The early sus on a post I think is pretty innocuous, followed by tunnelling on him all day, followed by suddenly saying 'this is weird, I'm not sure any more' 30 minutes from EoD when it looked like no counterwagons would eventuate, followed by suspecting him and pushing wilgy voters when he didn't actually die.
Given you still suspect seanzie a bit, I feel like our reasons here are different. I get it's part me and SVS being here, but I'd also like to get more of a sense of your own take on sabi.
I do remember off the top of my head that they wanted me to "dome" Sean which I don't like right off the bat when day 2 started. I feel better with my vote here than on Sean right now. I don't think these 2 are teammates so the flip will give us info at least (see what I did there @Scotty )?
I'm also not opposed to a lucy elimination. I could see Sabi and Lucy being teammates. I'll do my best to keep answering questions here and there but I won't be able to formulate big cases or anything today.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Process of Elimination.Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:38 pmWhat's POE?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:09 amI never run.Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:01 am By the way I am still waiting on a reason that @falcon45ca voted Seanzie and I don't like that they just dropped a vote and ran. Even if it's just something like 'same as day 1' (which should probably be reconsidered now but whatever) I don't see a good civ reason for doing that.
I skip, saunter, sprint, or stroll...
but RUN???
Nevah
I am voting Sean cuz' I don't see why they're still not POE. Marmot tossing Wilgy out when Wilgy's actions were very clearly NAI for D1 Wilgy...not too keen on that I must say.
Honorable scum mention to Sabi, Lucy, & Soneji
This should help w/ Mafia jargon:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... of%20Mafia.
we can't stop here...this is bat country!
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
What are the odds both sabi and Lucy could be bad?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:06 pmAlso let me add to this that a clean wilgy wagon developing is the wolves wet dream. I'm not sure why any of them would jump on. Having it clean creates such a good opportunity to steer direction, which is exactly why I think it happened.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:39 pmYeah, I have said if one isbad its Lucy.
Marmot is flipped
I know it’s not me
Seanzie is my top town at this point
SVS is also my top town at this point. They’re fighting for it.
I feel like the Dennis vote is clean.
I’m vibing town on Lucy but there’s some little reasons for doubt.
They’ve had a few comments directed at each other that aren’t not compatible.
This is obviously putting the cart before the horse but not completely unfounded
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
This link is perfect thank you.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:15 pmProcess of Elimination.Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:38 pmWhat's POE?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:09 amI never run.Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:01 am By the way I am still waiting on a reason that @falcon45ca voted Seanzie and I don't like that they just dropped a vote and ran. Even if it's just something like 'same as day 1' (which should probably be reconsidered now but whatever) I don't see a good civ reason for doing that.
I skip, saunter, sprint, or stroll...
but RUN???
Nevah
I am voting Sean cuz' I don't see why they're still not POE. Marmot tossing Wilgy out when Wilgy's actions were very clearly NAI for D1 Wilgy...not too keen on that I must say.
Honorable scum mention to Sabi, Lucy, & Soneji
This should help w/ Mafia jargon:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... of%20Mafia.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
After all we’ve been through together you accuse me of kissing up
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
This is what you get for town reading Sean, welcome to my world lol
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
I don't think I favour it but I wouldn't rule it out. I'm looking forward to seeing what Lucy has to say, generally, when she reappears. There's some stuff that I think it would be good to hear her thoughts on for the purposes of getting a better read one way or the other.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:16 pmWhat are the odds both sabi and Lucy could be bad?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:06 pmAlso let me add to this that a clean wilgy wagon developing is the wolves wet dream. I'm not sure why any of them would jump on. Having it clean creates such a good opportunity to steer direction, which is exactly why I think it happened.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:39 pmYeah, I have said if one isbad its Lucy.
Marmot is flipped
I know it’s not me
Seanzie is my top town at this point
SVS is also my top town at this point. They’re fighting for it.
I feel like the Dennis vote is clean.
I’m vibing town on Lucy but there’s some little reasons for doubt.
They’ve had a few comments directed at each other that aren’t not compatible.
This is obviously putting the cart before the horse but not completely unfounded
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Forgot to say this before but @lucy and @Sabiplz have been really quiet for being on the chopping block. We've only got 5.5 hours left before EoD, can we get something?
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
what the fuck
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
[VOTE:
Sabi] aubergine
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
i'm going to school, give me a raincheck for like 2-3h