Secret Playerlist - ENDGAME

[Scotty]

its half of remaining

ur stuck with 10 of us

I’m here for an NPC to be split in half and they’re forced to post in half sentences

Something like “Here’s my guesses for the”

[nutella]

4) Pre-rand I'm pretty sure you were the single player in the playerlist whose motive profile for signing align most closely to my own and I never even remotely considered signing for this as a player, so yeah.

this also applies to me but i am a player nonetheless

earth shattering revelation

i know right, i was devastated

[Scotty]

Day 3 Vote Count
SoD: #3945 EoD: #0

Not Voting (16): MacDougall (7), katze (56), Lumi (41), Sloonei (6), DrWilgy (10), Jackofhearts2005 (13), c4e5g3d5 (3), pyxxy (10), Lilypetal (27), Inawordyes (5), Guillotine (2), Marmot (5), falcon45ca (7), JaggedJimmyJay (5), sprityo (5), Schiavetto (5)
drwilgy (4): SilverKeith (9), nutella (79), Ranmilia (62), Vivax (45)
ranmilia (3): iaafr (54), Porscha (32), Neon (30)
vivax (3): DeeZees (25), Michelle (50), santygrass (104)
neon (2): Seanzie (5), Hally (42)
creature (1): EnderWiggin (34)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (20)
dyslexicon (1): RondoDimBuckle (56)
nanookthegreatandmightywizardfirstofhisnameandfatherofdragons (1): Scotty (18)
katze (1): G-Man (8)
dr wilgy (1): ilario (14)
manny (1): Manny (16)
sloonei (1): Ricochet (8)
rondo (1): Dyslexicon (9)

While I still chuckle inwardly when I see this posted with my memey vote on nanook, I did actually vote him with his name spelled correctly in a spoiler below that

[Hally]

4) Pre-rand I'm pretty sure you were the single player in the playerlist whose motive profile for signing align most closely to my own and I never even remotely considered signing for this as a player, so yeah.

this also applies to me but i am a player nonetheless

earth shattering revelation

i know right, i was devastated

i’ve been so convinced you would never sign up to this as a player lol

what were you thinking

[Scotty]

I still think sloonei is bad, and when he’s still here after the great purge of ‘3, you might want to go for him

[Ranmilia]

Votes in spoilers don't count, I think that's an actual global rule/custom/etc. Scotty whatcha thinkin though?

[Ranmilia]

Why Sloonei in particular?

[santygrass]

@nutella current thought on wilg and Vivax?

[nutella]

my vote is still on wilgy though i'm not wholly confident.

vivax i really can't decide whether i think he's a player or not but he has some wolf equity ig

[santygrass]

Also If Manny is alive after D7 they should be murdered 100% cuz they would only Fake NPC claim as mafia

Just posting this in case I forget to do it at EoD

[pyxxy]

Pyxxy stealing page 95 from me tbh

hey that's my bad let me know how to make it up to you

[DeeZees]

Pyxxy stealing page 95 from me tbh

hey that's my bad let me know how to make it up to you

I will take page 106

[santygrass]

I just think you are incapable of having real reads independently of your alignment.
But you‘re probably NPC so whatevs. Enjoy your silly tunnel and pray it isn‘t a reflection because it surely looks like it is.

This feels Player-y fwiw

[pyxxy]

Pyxxy stealing page 95 from me tbh

hey that's my bad let me know how to make it up to you

I will take page 106

okay sounds good

and here I was about to offer you equity in NPCapital

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy where‘d you place your vote right now?

Creature I still have slight ire with.

Ran after, but I'd like to see how this day evolves.

[santygrass]

lolwolves

lolwilage

One can probably find both just by looking for the biggest noobs at this game.
Or the thinskinned ones idk

Gonna assume Santy is in the game. Don‘t know about Rondo. But if Rondo PC, then town.

Wilgy not licking anyone is off the known meta.
Worst case he‘s NPC. But I‘d wager many of those try to appear like they are not.

I‘m comfy just following the votes either of RANMILLA, nutsella or Santygass around for now.

Struggling with lateral encephalitis atm so my posting seems willy wonky probably.

Rondo looks NPC-y I‘d rather hit someone who tries to keep heir head down while trying to look like they contribute.
I think Wilgy fits and I‘d rather vote with nutella.

@Vivax Explain your Rondo read and progression to me pkease?

Because when I asked you to vote Rondo you didnt bring up your previously stated townread and instead shielded it on NPC vibes so whatsup with that

[DeeZees]

Pyxxy stealing page 95 from me tbh

hey that's my bad let me know how to make it up to you

I will take page 106

okay sounds good

and here I was about to offer you equity in NPCapital

If that is a new crypto currency im in.

We just need a C-list celeb to become our ambassador.

Is Mac a big enough name to carry us?

[DeeZees]

I just think you are incapable of having real reads independently of your alignment.
But you‘re probably NPC so whatevs. Enjoy your silly tunnel and pray it isn‘t a reflection because it surely looks like it is.

This feels Player-y fwiw

Its also super duper wolfu

[pyxxy]

I have lost basically all my WIM after that opening and us almost being at 100 pages and no closer to starting the game. I will try to get some WIM back tomorrow and do something

Welcome to "You got got by Mac!", starring Rondo!

*holds the mic in too close to Rondo's face*

@RondoDimBuckle , how does it feel to get got this bad? Is this worse than the time you invested in MacCoin?

[pyxxy]

Here's my guess for the real playerlist:

DrWilgy
falcon
G-Man
ilario
Lilypetal
Michelle
Nanook
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
Ricochet
Rondo
Scotty
Seanzie
sprityo
Vivax


Some of these I'm really shaky on and don't know that well so they might be obviously wrong, and there were some super borderline slots that I wanted to include too, but this is my "not read the game, made purely from *meta-analysis" reads list

* By meta analysis I do not mean player analysis, I just mean analysis one level removed from the actual content of the game, eg. post count trends + players homesites + players frequency of playing FM games

Honorary mention to Santy who just barely missed the cut

Does that mean it's okay to vote Santy again?

[VOTE: santygrass] aubergine

[santygrass]

No it isnt

[DrWilgy]

I still think sloonei is bad, and when he’s still here after the great purge of ‘3, you might want to go for him

Detail this to me. Sloonei ISO was not long, so I took a peek. The thing that stands out is there's like 1-3 real posts between almost a full page of shitposting.

I could honestly see it from a sleeping town or wolf. The fact that it's not complete malarkey I think slightly implies the slot is a player.

[pyxxy]

pyxxy and vivax are both site newbies who played in the anni event, i think they're slightly more likely as newbies but i don't have much of a handle on how interested either would be

I don't care what you call me as long as it rhymes with clown-knighted

[DrWilgy]

lol, Rans been here but still won't interact with me.

[pyxxy]

No it isnt

shit my bad

how do I unvote on this site

[Ranmilia]

lol, Rans been here but still won't interact with me.

Leaving my vote on you is plenty of interaction

[DrWilgy]

lol, Rans been here but still won't interact with me.

Leaving my vote on you is plenty of interaction

Bullshit.

How are my posts wolfy?

[DrWilgy]

Actually

[VOTE: Ran] aubergine

Like, at what point where I'm like "help this make sense to me, help this make sense to me" and the response is the above is town sided?

[iaafr]

[DrWilgy]

I feel like the quote above is missing the word "together" at the end.

[santygrass]

No it isnt

shit my bad

how do I unvote on this site

Just vote for another player and the votecount script will change your vote.

That or do the vote code and put unvote in it

[santygrass]

I still think sloonei is bad, and when he’s still here after the great purge of ‘3, you might want to go for him

Detail this to me. Sloonei ISO was not long, so I took a peek. The thing that stands out is there's like 1-3 real posts between almost a full page of shitposting.

I could honestly see it from a sleeping town or wolf. The fact that it's not complete malarkey I think slightly implies the slot is a player.

Scotty said something in the lines of Sloonei Implying t be npc but not claiming it was wolf indicative, but weh. Idt its good to go today

Same read to Ranmillia which I think they are likely npc tbh

[Ranmilia]

lol, Rans been here but still won't interact with me.

Well, here's an illustration: this post is hella wolfy, because it's not a real thought town have when trying to sort out who is mafia and who isn't. This is shade that comes from a mafia perspective of "we need to get Ran off of me and discredit her, how do we do that, let's find something to make her sound bad like 'not interacting with me'".

What does that mean? Why would that be relevant? How does this come from a town thought process? Does Wilgy think I'm a real player? Does Wilgy think I'm a wolf? Is he putting forward some theory like "not interacting with your scumreads is wolfy"? Why? I've already expressed that the main basis for the read is lack of content.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... vitational - here's a recent game where I found Hellsbells, a wolf, on d1, and cased them. Their response was pretty much identical to what Wilgy is doing: OMGUS and accusations that I wasn't working with them.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6310705
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6310787
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6310955

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

[Hally]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

por que

[Hally]

fwiw i wouldn’t say that “lack of content” is generally a great way to read wilgy

he tends to get mislunched for his low volume/crypticness/whatever you wanna call it

old time syndicaters will probably be able to speak to this better

[santygrass]

lol, Rans been here but still won't interact with me.

Well, here's an illustration: this post is hella wolfy, because it's not a real thought town have when trying to sort out who is mafia and who isn't. This is shade that comes from a mafia perspective of "we need to get Ran off of me and discredit her, how do we do that, let's find something to make her sound bad like 'not interacting with me'".

What does that mean? Why would that be relevant? How does this come from a town thought process? Does Wilgy think I'm a real player? Does Wilgy think I'm a wolf? Is he putting forward some theory like "not interacting with your scumreads is wolfy"? Why? I've already expressed that the main basis for the read is lack of content.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... vitational - here's a recent game where I found Hellsbells, a wolf, on d1, and cased them. Their response was pretty much identical to what Wilgy is doing: OMGUS and accusations that I wasn't working with them.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6310705
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6310787
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6310955

Ranmillia are you a wolfsiding?

Wilg point here is 100% valid and I even questioned you yesterday when Wilg first appeared and you didnt interact with them at all even and it pinged me too.

So why you call it wolfy from wilg now I dont like tbh

[Porscha]

i don’t agree with the strategy that villagers should just coast until the NPCs die

then you give wolves chances to eliminate real players at night (and even to try to take over the thread during the day)

and by the time the NPCs are gone you can be down villagers that wolves have managed to kill at night without eliminating wolfy real players from the PoE because you’re twiddling your thumbs instead of trying to lunch wolves

i feel like if every villager got aggressive today and started solving with the help of the town siding NPCs we could have started to box wolves in pretty well

just not sure what the upside of doing nothing is realistically

It isnt about doing nothing, it's about not intentionally outing yourself as a player.

Additionally, does your suggestion not require a general consensus/ agreement among the people remaining to adhere to? Do you think this is feasible with 20 NPC's remaining? Not feasible today, imo.

[Hally]

i acknowledge people’s concerns with ran and have had my own paranoia about her but i don’t think today is the day to resolve that

still think she’s most likely an NPC but even if she’s a player she can very easily be town

[Hally]

i don’t agree with the strategy that villagers should just coast until the NPCs die

then you give wolves chances to eliminate real players at night (and even to try to take over the thread during the day)

and by the time the NPCs are gone you can be down villagers that wolves have managed to kill at night without eliminating wolfy real players from the PoE because you’re twiddling your thumbs instead of trying to lunch wolves

i feel like if every villager got aggressive today and started solving with the help of the town siding NPCs we could have started to box wolves in pretty well

just not sure what the upside of doing nothing is realistically

It isnt about doing nothing, it's about not intentionally outing yourself as a player.

Additionally, does your suggestion not require a general consensus/ agreement among the people remaining to adhere to? Do you think this is feasible with 20 NPC's remaining? Not feasible today, imo.

i don’t see how engaging with the game and posting some solving would out anyone as a real player

it’s not like NPCs haven’t been solving too

[Hally]

also no, i don’t think every single real player necessarily has to start doing what i said

any number of real players who have previously done nothing starting to get involved and be aggressive would be an improvement

[santygrass]

Yeah. I dont think ran shouldn't be yeeted like never today.

But their push on wilg I think is kinda bad and not showing reasess there is kinda concerning.

I think that both me/Michelle have showed some sort of pushback on the wilg push but it felt like ran ignored it also so idk

[santygrass]

i don’t agree with the strategy that villagers should just coast until the NPCs die

then you give wolves chances to eliminate real players at night (and even to try to take over the thread during the day)

and by the time the NPCs are gone you can be down villagers that wolves have managed to kill at night without eliminating wolfy real players from the PoE because you’re twiddling your thumbs instead of trying to lunch wolves

i feel like if every villager got aggressive today and started solving with the help of the town siding NPCs we could have started to box wolves in pretty well

just not sure what the upside of doing nothing is realistically

It isnt about doing nothing, it's about not intentionally outing yourself as a player.

Additionally, does your suggestion not require a general consensus/ agreement among the people remaining to adhere to? Do you think this is feasible with 20 NPC's remaining? Not feasible today, imo.

@Porscha . Today is going to be a purge at EoD with half of Npc players removed from the game + a lot of Npc slots are kinda obvious so I dont think that mafia is going to miss more nks fwiw.

And its feasible to start solving today. At least there are list with prob players and pushes there and who is likely npc and to ignore. Ran is prob an Npc and not a good push today

[Porscha]

i don’t agree with the strategy that villagers should just coast until the NPCs die

then you give wolves chances to eliminate real players at night (and even to try to take over the thread during the day)

and by the time the NPCs are gone you can be down villagers that wolves have managed to kill at night without eliminating wolfy real players from the PoE because you’re twiddling your thumbs instead of trying to lunch wolves

i feel like if every villager got aggressive today and started solving with the help of the town siding NPCs we could have started to box wolves in pretty well

just not sure what the upside of doing nothing is realistically

It isnt about doing nothing, it's about not intentionally outing yourself as a player.

Additionally, does your suggestion not require a general consensus/ agreement among the people remaining to adhere to? Do you think this is feasible with 20 NPC's remaining? Not feasible today, imo.

i don’t see how engaging with the game and posting some solving would out anyone as a real player

it’s not like NPCs haven’t been solving too

And many NPC's havent, either. Again, it comes to a consensus that we are unable to obtain. So at best, it's a pick your poison concept - lay low and pretend to NPC so you dont get offed or scouted too early, observe without saying too much so you cant cause too many waves, or have no fear and just start saying shit and additionally hope you have the time to be caught up in a game like this -of this amount of players and posting, when half of the players and posts do not matter - to attempt say things that makes a modicum of sense.

Either way, I stand in my stance on the subject.

[Ranmilia]

"They post no content as town" is not a defense to me; that just makes me feel better about yeeting them if they're town. Yeeting everyone who posts no content and doesn't help town is generally a winning strategy and one of the cornerstones of how I play.

I am not sure what about Wilgy's point would be "valid." Interacting with wolves is not good, unless you think you have a clever bait to get them to spew more wolves. Usually people do not like it much when I interact with people I am scumreading, because that interaction consists of calling them a wolf and saying they should be voted out. If you'd prefer a different target, I'm going to need reasons - better ones than "they post no content as town" and a wolfier target.

[Hally]

i don’t agree with the strategy that villagers should just coast until the NPCs die

then you give wolves chances to eliminate real players at night (and even to try to take over the thread during the day)

and by the time the NPCs are gone you can be down villagers that wolves have managed to kill at night without eliminating wolfy real players from the PoE because you’re twiddling your thumbs instead of trying to lunch wolves

i feel like if every villager got aggressive today and started solving with the help of the town siding NPCs we could have started to box wolves in pretty well

just not sure what the upside of doing nothing is realistically

It isnt about doing nothing, it's about not intentionally outing yourself as a player.

Additionally, does your suggestion not require a general consensus/ agreement among the people remaining to adhere to? Do you think this is feasible with 20 NPC's remaining? Not feasible today, imo.

i don’t see how engaging with the game and posting some solving would out anyone as a real player

it’s not like NPCs haven’t been solving too

And many NPC's havent, either. Again, it comes to a consensus that we are unable to obtain. So at best, it's a pick your poison concept - lay low and pretend to NPC so you dont get offed or scouted too early, observe without saying too much so you cant cause too many waves, or have no fear and just start saying shit and additionally hope you have the time to be caught up in a game like this -of this amount of players and posting, when half of the players and posts do not matter - to attempt say things that makes a modicum of sense.

Either way, I stand in my stance on the subject.

i don’t see how it requires consensus

it doesn’t have to be that all real town start doing stuff or all agree to do nothing

any villager can just solve if they want to and so can any NPC, so i don’t see how doing stuff outs anyone as a real player to wolves or how it requires universal agreement

[Vivax]

Wilgy where‘d you place your vote right now?

Creature I still have slight ire with.

Ran after, but I'd like to see how this day evolves.

Don‘t know about creature I‘m guessing NPC for now.
RANMILLA had a bit of a dropoff, Scotty is usually a lot more nosy so NpC or wolf.

As for santy’s question, feels while going over posts and votes being largely unagenda-d while reading them in game context. Seemed NPC-y during ISO afterwards.

If you ask me alignment related questions you get alignment related answers. The NPC read was a delayed realization as addendum.

[Porscha]

i don’t agree with the strategy that villagers should just coast until the NPCs die

then you give wolves chances to eliminate real players at night (and even to try to take over the thread during the day)

and by the time the NPCs are gone you can be down villagers that wolves have managed to kill at night without eliminating wolfy real players from the PoE because you’re twiddling your thumbs instead of trying to lunch wolves

i feel like if every villager got aggressive today and started solving with the help of the town siding NPCs we could have started to box wolves in pretty well

just not sure what the upside of doing nothing is realistically

It isnt about doing nothing, it's about not intentionally outing yourself as a player.

Additionally, does your suggestion not require a general consensus/ agreement among the people remaining to adhere to? Do you think this is feasible with 20 NPC's remaining? Not feasible today, imo.

@Porscha . Today is going to be a purge at EoD with half of Npc players removed from the game + a lot of Npc slots are kinda obvious so I dont think that mafia is going to miss more nks fwiw.

And its feasible to start solving today. At least there are list with prob players and pushes there and who is likely npc and to ignore. Ran is prob an Npc and not a good push today

I understand that there are players and NPC's and I've had my own opinions as well as to who is which.
I agree it is *possible* to attempt solving today. The longer the game goes, the more possible it becomes.
I'm likely to not be convinced off Ran today. We are most likely to hit an NPC with our votes anyway. So I'm going to put my vote on someone who, as I said, regardless of player or NPC, isnt particularly town siding in my opinion.

Consider this my attempt at solving today, and I will not be swayed off of attempting to solve, by people who keep insisting I'm not solving and that my stance on how people would likely play is not pertinent.

Do you want me to solve or not? If you do, then I suggest you quit trying to get my vote off Ran.

[Porscha]

i don’t agree with the strategy that villagers should just coast until the NPCs die

then you give wolves chances to eliminate real players at night (and even to try to take over the thread during the day)

and by the time the NPCs are gone you can be down villagers that wolves have managed to kill at night without eliminating wolfy real players from the PoE because you’re twiddling your thumbs instead of trying to lunch wolves

i feel like if every villager got aggressive today and started solving with the help of the town siding NPCs we could have started to box wolves in pretty well

just not sure what the upside of doing nothing is realistically

It isnt about doing nothing, it's about not intentionally outing yourself as a player.

Additionally, does your suggestion not require a general consensus/ agreement among the people remaining to adhere to? Do you think this is feasible with 20 NPC's remaining? Not feasible today, imo.

i don’t see how engaging with the game and posting some solving would out anyone as a real player

it’s not like NPCs haven’t been solving too

And many NPC's havent, either. Again, it comes to a consensus that we are unable to obtain. So at best, it's a pick your poison concept - lay low and pretend to NPC so you dont get offed or scouted too early, observe without saying too much so you cant cause too many waves, or have no fear and just start saying shit and additionally hope you have the time to be caught up in a game like this -of this amount of players and posting, when half of the players and posts do not matter - to attempt say things that makes a modicum of sense.

Either way, I stand in my stance on the subject.

i don’t see how it requires consensus

it doesn’t have to be that all real town start doing stuff or all agree to do nothing

any villager can just solve if they want to and so can any NPC, so i don’t see how doing stuff outs anyone as a real player to wolves or how it requires universal agreement

Yes, also any observer not in the game can try solving. Anybody can try solving whenever they want.

"Doing stuff" was the biggest basis to how everyone was evaluating whether people were players or NPC's up until this point. If a player is attempting to hide as an NPC, they will try harder to not be seen as a player, which would include "doing things."

This is why how someone is playing can be outing.

[Hally]

santy is right

we probably have enough players that have true claimed player at this point that wolves probably have a fairly good sense of who is likely itg and who to NK

plus they have their scout results and also half the NPCs who they could miss on are dying at EoD

wolves are not going to keep killing NPCs forever, they will start hitting villagers

if villagers aren’t hitting them back during the day and trying to solve the game, town will be down a lot by the time the NPCs are all gone