Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think Golden checked Falcon last night and that's why he's dropped Falcon completely. That leaves Roxy and Neon, with honorable mentions to Seanzie in my PoE.

Rondo should be in your PoE.

Also you have room for four.

Disagree and yes

[Seanzie]

I think Golden checked Falcon last night and that's why he's dropped Falcon completely. That leaves Roxy and Neon, with honorable mentions to Seanzie in my PoE.

see I think the duo has flipped. D5 it was golden going over if seanzie blinked and he didnt, now its seanzie is going over if Golden blinks and he isnt so Seanzie is fine imho

You're pretending to not have knowledge.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think Golden checked Falcon last night and that's why he's dropped Falcon completely. That leaves Roxy and Neon, with honorable mentions to Seanzie in my PoE.

see I think the duo has flipped. D5 it was golden going over if seanzie blinked and he didnt, now its seanzie is going over if Golden blinks and he isnt so Seanzie is fine imho

You're pretending to not have knowledge.

what knowledge do I have that I am pretending I dont know? You think maybe reasonable deduction could explain what conclusions I have come to?

[Seanzie]

I think Golden checked Falcon last night and that's why he's dropped Falcon completely. That leaves Roxy and Neon, with honorable mentions to Seanzie in my PoE.

see I think the duo has flipped. D5 it was golden going over if seanzie blinked and he didnt, now its seanzie is going over if Golden blinks and he isnt so Seanzie is fine imho

You're pretending to not have knowledge.

what knowledge do I have that I am pretending I dont know? You think maybe reasonable deduction could explain what conclusions I have come to?

nvm it was Falcon, so I'll keep being cryptic.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I am loving this seanzie tunnel so much its nice and cozy and warm and there is a nice breeze. I am excited for when he flips me town and is all pikachu face

[Dennis]

I think Golden checked Falcon last night and that's why he's dropped Falcon completely. That leaves Roxy and Neon, with honorable mentions to Seanzie in my PoE.

Rondo should be in your PoE.

Also you have room for four.

Why do you get to tell me who to suspect?

[Seanzie]

I am loving this seanzie tunnel so much its nice and cozy and warm and there is a nice breeze. I am excited for when he flips me town and is all pikachu face

I think you severely overestimate how emotionally tied I am to any world except for the one which doesn't have a wolf in my PoE.

[Seanzie]

I think Golden checked Falcon last night and that's why he's dropped Falcon completely. That leaves Roxy and Neon, with honorable mentions to Seanzie in my PoE.

Rondo should be in your PoE.

Also you have room for four.

Why do you get to tell me who to suspect?

Because!

I don't. All I can do is strongly suggest you add Rondo. You have room for them, and they are a slippery wolf.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I am loving this seanzie tunnel so much its nice and cozy and warm and there is a nice breeze. I am excited for when he flips me town and is all pikachu face

I think you severely overestimate how emotionally tied I am to any world except for the one which doesn't have a wolf in my PoE.

yet you keep putting me first and have no room for adjustment. I am cackling

[Seanzie]

I am loving this seanzie tunnel so much its nice and cozy and warm and there is a nice breeze. I am excited for when he flips me town and is all pikachu face

I think you severely overestimate how emotionally tied I am to any world except for the one which doesn't have a wolf in my PoE.

yet you keep putting me first and have no room for adjustment. I am cackling

I'll give you one guess why I want you first.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I am loving this seanzie tunnel so much its nice and cozy and warm and there is a nice breeze. I am excited for when he flips me town and is all pikachu face

I think you severely overestimate how emotionally tied I am to any world except for the one which doesn't have a wolf in my PoE.

yet you keep putting me first and have no room for adjustment. I am cackling

I'll give you one guess why I want you first.

A actually dont have the foggiest Possibly to do with something how I treated you yesterday. Maybe some offhand scummy comment I made. Who knows

[Seanzie]

no guess? boring.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think Golden checked Falcon last night and that's why he's dropped Falcon completely. That leaves Roxy and Neon, with honorable mentions to Seanzie in my PoE.

Rondo should be in your PoE.

Also you have room for four.

Why do you get to tell me who to suspect?

Because!

I don't. All I can do is strongly suggest you add Rondo. You have room for them, and they are a slippery wolf.

[RondoDimBuckle]

no guess? boring.

ok I will go ISO you and see if I can figure it out

[Seanzie]

I am loving this seanzie tunnel so much its nice and cozy and warm and there is a nice breeze. I am excited for when he flips me town and is all pikachu face

I think you severely overestimate how emotionally tied I am to any world except for the one which doesn't have a wolf in my PoE.

yet you keep putting me first and have no room for adjustment. I am cackling

I'll give you one guess why I want you first.

A actually dont have the foggiest Possibly to do with something how I treated you yesterday. Maybe some offhand scummy comment I made. Who knows

Nah, I mean I do think you have the highest chance of flipping wolf, but I want you first because I think out of everyone in the PoE, you might be the one that doesn't get flipped if I die before you flip.

[Seanzie]

SVS is also up there, but they are like... mostly in the PoE for tinfoil, so I am not majorly concerned with that right now.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I am loving this seanzie tunnel so much its nice and cozy and warm and there is a nice breeze. I am excited for when he flips me town and is all pikachu face

I think you severely overestimate how emotionally tied I am to any world except for the one which doesn't have a wolf in my PoE.

yet you keep putting me first and have no room for adjustment. I am cackling

I'll give you one guess why I want you first.

A actually dont have the foggiest Possibly to do with something how I treated you yesterday. Maybe some offhand scummy comment I made. Who knows

Nah, I mean I do think you have the highest chance of flipping wolf, but I want you first because I think out of everyone in the PoE, you might be the one that doesn't get flipped if I die before you flip.

I think Golden will die tonight 80% of the time so you get another day phase to get me over. If you die tonight I am dead anyway so I think we can focus on someone else today and then I die tomorrow

[RondoDimBuckle]

Can I get a rainbow list from everyone as a legacy?

[Seanzie]

I am loving this seanzie tunnel so much its nice and cozy and warm and there is a nice breeze. I am excited for when he flips me town and is all pikachu face

I think you severely overestimate how emotionally tied I am to any world except for the one which doesn't have a wolf in my PoE.

yet you keep putting me first and have no room for adjustment. I am cackling

I'll give you one guess why I want you first.

A actually dont have the foggiest Possibly to do with something how I treated you yesterday. Maybe some offhand scummy comment I made. Who knows

Nah, I mean I do think you have the highest chance of flipping wolf, but I want you first because I think out of everyone in the PoE, you might be the one that doesn't get flipped if I die before you flip.

I think Golden will die tonight 80% of the time so you get another day phase to get me over. If you die tonight I am dead anyway so I think we can focus on someone else today and then I die tomorrow

No, I still want you today.

[RondoDimBuckle]

So, a legacy rainbow.

People I would not elim short of the cop showing up with a red peek

SVS
Fingersplints
Neon
Roxy
Seanzie
Falcon

People who could reasonably be deepwolves, but I’d only consider closer to lylo

Dennis
Rondo

If Lucy flips town, he’s worth another look



Wolves unless the cop comes in with a green peek




totally my own one and not made up

[RondoDimBuckle]

[/vote] Dennis [/vote]

[RondoDimBuckle]

I have decided that this game I will selfpres

[RondoDimBuckle]

6. A tied day poll will result in no death. Votes matter. There will be no coin flips to determine poll results.

[RondoDimBuckle]

What a waste of a day phase

[RondoDimBuckle]

I will actually call for seanzies death in return for mine if golden does not say anything before EOD because this is very opportunistic of him to get me out as someone who will be able to keep the pressure on him till FX, someone who knows that I win FX's as either alignment is afraid of me getting to one and I know I am town so he is being anti-town in getting me gone

[RondoDimBuckle]

oh, wait, its tomorrow. Hah Silly me

[Dennis]

Town

Me
Golden
SVS
Falcon
Splints

Everyone below is on the chopping block until further notice

Almost certainly town

Rondo
Seanzie



Roxy
Neon

[Golden]

Rondo I am not available at all times despite appearances to the contrary.

[Golden]

Town

Me
Golden
SVS
Falcon
Splints

Everyone below is on the chopping block until further notice

Almost certainly town

Rondo
Seanzie



Roxy
Neon

This is pretty much exactly my rainbow list right now, all things considered.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo I am not available at all times despite appearances to the contrary.

Nah I just thought it was day end and you were around last time

[Golden]

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

I’ve got substantial catch up to do, but the fact svs has voted this way is meaningful to me and if I went solely on my own gut and nothing else, Roxy seems wolfier to me than rondo or neon until I investigate further.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Town

Dennis
Golden
Falcon
Splints

Everyone below is on the chopping block until further notice

Almost certainly town

Rondo
Seanzie



Roxy
Neon
SVS

This is pretty much exactly my rainbow list right now, all things considered.

EBWOP


Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?

[Golden]

Rondo I am not available at all times despite appearances to the contrary.

Nah I just thought it was day end and you were around last time

I’ll be around for a chunk of tomorrow but probably not the last half hour.

[Golden]

Town

Dennis
Golden
Falcon
Splints

Everyone below is on the chopping block until further notice

Almost certainly town

Rondo
Seanzie



Roxy
Neon
SVS

This is pretty much exactly my rainbow list right now, all things considered.

EBWOP


Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?

Perhaps SVS is a blind spot for me. I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. She is an incredibly excellent mafia player in general and wolf.

But I have laid out clearly behaviour that I believe is out of her wolfrange, certainly the wolfrange I’ve observed in the past.

I don’t think she feels guilted (or pretends to feel guilted) by me merely for asking Lucy if she’s neurodiverse, if she is Lucy’s teammate. I don’t think it even occurs to her. This is not say that SVS is above using appeal to emotion as wolf if it’s helpful. I just don’t think it looks like this.

In addition, the specific way she went about her lucy suspicion doesn’t resemble what id expect bussing to look like from SVS. She was begrudging when she stopped chasing lucy… it was not the behaviour of someone thankful to have an excuse to stop bussing a teammate, it was the behaviour of someone who disagreed but went along for the sake of giving someone she trusted a chance (specifically, me).

Also, I think SVS legit had me nailed as cop for ages and didn’t try to kill me for it n4/n5, I think that’s meaningful.

And additionally, having Kate’s townread to back my own up is meaningful.

I think, as a trio, SVS, Kate and I are all very used to each other and while we might tinfoil each other, and while we are all good at masking wolfplay, I think overall we have decent success at reading each other.

[Golden]

Also, it’s not only svs’svote on Roxy that had me go there. The way in which roxy talked about Lucy’s wolfclaim also made me hmm.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Town

Dennis
Golden
Falcon
Splints

Everyone below is on the chopping block until further notice

Almost certainly town

Rondo




Roxy
Neon
SVS
Seanzie

This is pretty much exactly my rainbow list right now, all things considered.

EBWOP


Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?

Perhaps SVS is a blind spot for me. I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. She is an incredibly excellent mafia player in general and wolf.

But I have laid out clearly behaviour that I believe is out of her wolfrange, certainly the wolfrange I’ve observed in the past.

I don’t think she feels guilted (or pretends to feel guilted) by me merely for asking Lucy if she’s neurodiverse, if she is Lucy’s teammate. I don’t think it even occurs to her. This is not say that SVS is above using appeal to emotion as wolf if it’s helpful. I just don’t think it looks like this.

In addition, the specific way she went about her lucy suspicion doesn’t resemble what id expect bussing to look like from SVS. She was begrudging when she stopped chasing lucy… it was not the behaviour of someone thankful to have an excuse to stop bussing a teammate, it was the behaviour of someone who disagreed but went along for the sake of giving someone she trusted a chance (specifically, me).

Also, I think SVS legit had me nailed as cop for ages and didn’t try to kill me for it n4/n5, I think that’s meaningful.

And additionally, having Kate’s townread to back my own up is meaningful.

I think, as a trio, SVS, Kate and I are all very used to each other and while we might tinfoil each other, and while we are all good at masking wolfplay, I think overall we have decent success at reading each other.

EBWOP


Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?

[Golden]

@falcon45ca why do you have Golden as black? Like he is some sort of mystery?

Any player in black is alive and unknown (to me) alignment. Golden is not the only one in black, you'll note only the flipped and myself have colors

Why is my alignment not known to you?

[Golden]

Town

Dennis
Golden
Falcon
Splints

Everyone below is on the chopping block until further notice

Almost certainly town

Rondo




Roxy
Neon
SVS
Seanzie

This is pretty much exactly my rainbow list right now, all things considered.

EBWOP


Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?

Perhaps SVS is a blind spot for me. I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. She is an incredibly excellent mafia player in general and wolf.

But I have laid out clearly behaviour that I believe is out of her wolfrange, certainly the wolfrange I’ve observed in the past.

I don’t think she feels guilted (or pretends to feel guilted) by me merely for asking Lucy if she’s neurodiverse, if she is Lucy’s teammate. I don’t think it even occurs to her. This is not say that SVS is above using appeal to emotion as wolf if it’s helpful. I just don’t think it looks like this.

In addition, the specific way she went about her lucy suspicion doesn’t resemble what id expect bussing to look like from SVS. She was begrudging when she stopped chasing lucy… it was not the behaviour of someone thankful to have an excuse to stop bussing a teammate, it was the behaviour of someone who disagreed but went along for the sake of giving someone she trusted a chance (specifically, me).

Also, I think SVS legit had me nailed as cop for ages and didn’t try to kill me for it n4/n5, I think that’s meaningful.

And additionally, having Kate’s townread to back my own up is meaningful.

I think, as a trio, SVS, Kate and I are all very used to each other and while we might tinfoil each other, and while we are all good at masking wolfplay, I think overall we have decent success at reading each other.

EBWOP


Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?

I think you’re asking me to tread a fine line here… moving single names about like this could be sailing close to G-Man intervention.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Seanzie has acted consistently with a belief that he’s been greenpeeked?

[Golden]

At this point anyone doing vote analysis should be marking me as green. I am not permitted to fakeclaim cop.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think Seanzie has been acting like he is invincible. I think you not voting him here today when Scotty flipped is basically outing him as green peeked but only at a 80%ish level where maybe you have and maybe you havent but how he behaved yesterday into seanzie NOT being doctor and you NOT voting him basically locks him town for me. There are other things I want to say as well but it will be helpful for the wolf so I wont say them and just say I have my tinfoil and this conversation has been productive to remove it

[Golden]

@RondoDimBuckle please give evidence I was shielding Golden.

You pushed that idea hard even though I did not ever actively suggest or confirm anything about Golden's theory. Thinking back on it, the only reason I can see for this is rolefishing.

Scotty ended up dead. Who do you think would have figured out that I wasn't doc?

<gestures to every time day 4 I ask you to prove Goldens You Doc him night kill is wrong and distance from him and every time you kinda softly do it like a doc would if they didnt really want to distance it>

This is exactly how I perceived it too tbh. Like, my ‘I think I’m the day two save’ was tactical and I could have been right or wrong but, call it confbias or not, the soft signalling of never wanting to vote me made me think I actually had it right.

I also think it’s consistent with a genuine copread, though.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle please give evidence I was shielding Golden.

You pushed that idea hard even though I did not ever actively suggest or confirm anything about Golden's theory. Thinking back on it, the only reason I can see for this is rolefishing.

Scotty ended up dead. Who do you think would have figured out that I wasn't doc?

<gestures to every time day 4 I ask you to prove Goldens You Doc him night kill is wrong and distance from him and every time you kinda softly do it like a doc would if they didnt really want to distance it>

This is exactly how I perceived it too tbh. Like, my ‘I think I’m the day two save’ was tactical and I could have been right or wrong but, call it confbias or not, the soft signalling of never wanting to vote me made me think I actually had it right.

I also think it’s consistent with a genuine copread, though.

I really think I have been TMI'ed town off my play D4 and 5 into Lucy EOD5 and can just be psudo green checked

[Golden]

@RondoDimBuckle please give evidence I was shielding Golden.

You pushed that idea hard even though I did not ever actively suggest or confirm anything about Golden's theory. Thinking back on it, the only reason I can see for this is rolefishing.

Scotty ended up dead. Who do you think would have figured out that I wasn't doc?

<gestures to every time day 4 I ask you to prove Goldens You Doc him night kill is wrong and distance from him and every time you kinda softly do it like a doc would if they didnt really want to distance it>

This is exactly how I perceived it too tbh. Like, my ‘I think I’m the day two save’ was tactical and I could have been right or wrong but, call it confbias or not, the soft signalling of never wanting to vote me made me think I actually had it right.

I also think it’s consistent with a genuine copread, though.

I really think I have been TMI'ed town off my play D4 and 5 into Lucy EOD5 and can just be psudo green checked

Claiming your own townclear is inherently suspicious, (says man who made an entire post townclearing himself)

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle please give evidence I was shielding Golden.

You pushed that idea hard even though I did not ever actively suggest or confirm anything about Golden's theory. Thinking back on it, the only reason I can see for this is rolefishing.

Scotty ended up dead. Who do you think would have figured out that I wasn't doc?

<gestures to every time day 4 I ask you to prove Goldens You Doc him night kill is wrong and distance from him and every time you kinda softly do it like a doc would if they didnt really want to distance it>

This is exactly how I perceived it too tbh. Like, my ‘I think I’m the day two save’ was tactical and I could have been right or wrong but, call it confbias or not, the soft signalling of never wanting to vote me made me think I actually had it right.

I also think it’s consistent with a genuine copread, though.

I really think I have been TMI'ed town off my play D4 and 5 into Lucy EOD5 and can just be psudo green checked

Claiming your own townclear is inherently suspicious, (says man who made an entire post townclearing himself)

dont I know it

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

So let me ask you a question.

If I'm wolf and I've spent all day hard defending Lucy and being notably within my wolf range according to the two players who have played with me.

Why would we as a wolf team ever let Lucy come into thread and just admit to being a wolf there. I mean she's probably going over anyways ig but if she was gonna give up went would I waste my breath?

How so “let her” ?

She’s a free person and can post as she likes. I think outing herself like that isn’t always fair to one’s team, but I don’t know what they could have done to stop her.

Do you often ignore team strategy and do whatever you want without helping your team?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

I mean... I was a little confused by Golden's play earlier today, but I'm at least like 95% sure I was greenchecked. I was greenchecked so hard that I figured out Golden was the cop and started sheeping them so hard that they thought I was the doc. It created this whole thing.

If I wasn't greenchecked, then I'll be very confused as to how this whole game actually went.

Since this is not confirmable by Golden, I invite you to continue doing your thing with this line of inquiry, but just be warned... my responses might just be "I'm greenchecked" so... have fun.

If this is true I'm basically always looking off wagon D1 for the last wolf.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

neon - what was up with you yesterday? Your insistence on Lucy was quite strange but at least there was thread presence when you did as SVS questioned you over it. Instead of admitting your case was only enhancing hers you doubled down. Were you srsly considering rondo's proposal? I really want to believe my town feel for you.

I thought Lucy was town until she outed?

I don't understand what you're saying here.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Rondo is def someone I find sus, and actually I'd like to hear others thought on Neon. GTH Rondo is Maf over Neon

I think you're the only person who's felt this way. Elaborate? Pwease uwu.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Rondo is def someone I find sus, and actually I'd like to hear others thought on Neon. GTH Rondo is Maf over Neon

Neon had me convinced she's town, and then through all of D5, she felt off. Like, she read into my RIP mom post more than my rainbow list, her constant 'Hmmmmmm...'s feel like she's saying 'I know you a reply but blehh you aren't gonna get one! ', her little '...' at the very EoD5 felt like 'i spent all of this time trying to save your ass and THIS is what you do?' and now all of the AtE is like, overwhelming. That's not the right word for it but there's so much of it and I don't understand what it is that changed? Why were you about to do so much before but not now? I'm gonna [VOTE: Neon] aubergine for now, actually.

Is funny how right and wrong one person can be simultaneously

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think I need to give Neon a pass for my bad memory and let other people suss/find her

There was a host post saying Wilgy replaced her but I saw no posts or mentions of him. It was confusing, there wasn’t even a list of who was what role in the thread that I could find.

KotH

I was town
I subbed out cause I was extremely depressed irl

@RondoDimBuckle

I'm confused.