Felt Mafia 3 [EndGame]

[Lemonfairy]

Welcome to my scum pile

[VOTE: Lemon] aubergine

why aubergine?

i am back and i am town this time

*squints*
idk, not feeling this

Is it bad if that makes me want to vote you lol

the lol and the fact that it's a question makes this feel more friendly than it needs to be
probably not super AI though

you should vote mafia not town

this post actually makes me feel a bit better about the previous one but still easily made as either alignment tbh

so now i pose the question, even if i was a wolf, do you think you could have successfully caught me based off my current actions

ok, it feels like they're treating each other as town now
not w/w

What current actions in the thread are most likely to catch a wolf?

I don’t really like the dismissive “you were just wrong so have to be here” to a small day 1 suspicion comment. The thread has been mostly OT, someone has to get things rolling.

kinda like this
viberead town

I've caught others by doing this.

you're bad

probably also >rand town

Thanks. That's the fastest anyone has told me I'm bad before.

But am I bad as in a shit player. Or bad as in mafia?

One of these is true.

Neon interpreting bad as skill-related rather than alignment is towny imo

Ha ha I win, Rondo said I was bad on page one, and I’m pretty sure it was page one in LGM when Sean did, too.

I’m home pretty much all weekend, so I’ll have plenty of time to stay caught up.

On this list, Lemonfairy is new to me, I played with TSP a few time, but I don’t recall his game well, so he might as well be.

very neutral post, doesn't swing me either way

do you think using tactics and strategy is ai for me?

lucy feels very self-focused this game
idk what to make of it yet

I’ve played games with40 and 50 people, and never kept a spreadsheet

omg imagine making a spreadsheet for 40/50 people
I can barely bother to make those with 7 people

i also wasn't lying about my memory, i've never taken notes in a single class, nor do i need spreadsheets to track reads, it's all easily retained.

-_- opposite of me
everything gets deleted after a while

Alright, who's Maf? Still Marmot?
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I'm reading these as though they're entrance posts but this just reminded me that there was a N0 that I didn't bother to read
uhhh whatever ig, I'll just make do

also, is aubergine an inside joke or a reference to something?

Marmot

why though
but post is fine ig

@Neon Not sure yet but eye was drawn somewhere D 0 but I'm giving it a chance since it was only D 0. So no name mentioning for yet. How about you?

ehhh ok this can be vibe town too

I've already forgotten the other people I gave vibe townreads to

I don't have many thoughts. I think Lucy is town... so like can't wait for round 2 of Neon vs everyone lol

why

ok, I'm going to end this one here b/c it's getting long

[Lemonfairy]

oh wow
that is so ugly hahaha

[S~V~S]

@Neon Thanks, that's what I thought.

fingersplints: town
lucy: town
Roxy: town
Neon: probably town
Sabi: mommy
SVS: maybe mafia (although the more she posts the more I trend away from this)
falcon: probably a wolf
DrWilgy: uwu
Kate: not obviously town (which I am taking to be slightly wolf-indicative based on seeing her as obv!town last game)
Lemonfairy: hi

Well, as others have said, it's been the fluffiest of fluffy threads so far. But I know I have been being quiet, for reasons besides the fluff, although that contributes.

On Day Zero, as soon as the thread opened Rondo was in here posting. Falcon came in a minute later, then over the next 15 minutes or so, me, Kate and Quin came in. There was chatting about the tea poll, bitching about the PG-13 warning yada yada yada.

Rondo proclaimed a bit later that me, Kate and Quin were the bad team,

Wolf team is Kate / SVS / Quinn

So he picked the 3rd, 4th and 5th persons to post. I assumed it was a joke (although nothing he ever posts reads like a joke to me, I can't read him at all after the one game), and moved on.

When I came into the thread after Day one started, I saw he was still on that, and had voted for me.

I'm like, Is this a joke, does he mean it? After the last game I am vaguely terrified of him (only low key kidding here). He came in to the last game like a force of nature (but he subbed in and i know when I sub in I try to establish my civ credentials early), and they kept blazing the whole game. Everyone else seems to be ignoring it, but I have been waiting for him, and he hasn't come back. It's just weird to me that he picked 3, 4, 5 even if a joke. He's usually here in the AM, my time, when I'm here, and hasn't been the last 2 days. There could be civ reasons for this, or just random Rondo reasons, and not gonna let myself get derailed by fear of being derailed, if that makes sense.

So I'm gonna stop worrying about it.

Re your list, I haven't seen anything to think Splints or Roxy is bad, but nothing to say they're sure town either. Same for Kate. In LGM, I read Kate right, but otherwise was pretty much wrong about most of my friends (I thought Mata was bad early, but I backed off, so that doesn't count imo). Kate is easier to read with Golden in the game (and I recall this going back 10 and more years ago, to other sites). They seem to have an inherent understanding of each other, and I tend to town read them both via the light they reflect off of each other, if that makes sense. She's a little cagier without that. Even in Game 1, where he was bad, he did a really good job of approximating that. So she's a harder read for me without him in thread. And she called me "Little Lady" which counts for hilarity points.

Dennis also seems less engaged than last game, but that day one towncore feel isn't here that was in his first game. He was lucky, I think, to have his first game rand civ into a game like that.

I also think Lucy is town, and to extra annoy her, she's the only person close to town lock for me.

I haven't seen Neons early game. She IS different to LGM, but like Rondo, she subbed in and when you sub in you want to make a civvie splash coming in the door.

You voted for Quin, but he's not on your list. I tend to read him as bad, why did you vote for him.

I am trying to sort the falcon/Wilgy thing. Why does falcon think that after a 48 hour fluff-fest someone should be assured of his affiliation? I'm not 100% sure I understand either side of that 1/1 with him and Wilgy. He seems legit upset about it, and I'm not sure why. I think he plays a fairly blendy civ game on short acquaintance, and he took a lot of suspish for it last game. But Wilgys reasons for suspecting him seem a bit forced to me, although I would imagine a bad Wilgy would just lick people and not bother to list suspects at all.

I've caught up... Falcon and Neon seem to be Mafia.

Neon's energy does not match my expectations, it may be AI... I think.

Can you elaborate? Certainly your lick gave off more than that? Or is it just the feels on these 2?

Yes. I think Town Falcon who is present early would have a minor interest in scouting...

This does not appear to be present so far.

Neon has seemed to drastically shift meta to come out guns blasting. Neon is a player who is good at finding town and going from there... Not this behavior we see now.

Now, I should continue my efforts at home.

I mean, NO ONE had been hunting much up to the time he said this. So this is kinda looking like a tempest in a teapot. Heh.

I think this is not the game Lemonfairy wanted to play, so they are basically shitposting so far. They seem to be a charming person, so they are charming shitposts, like someone spamming you with rainbows.

I will be home today, I'll be in and out.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

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Welcome to my scum pile

[VOTE: Lemon] aubergine

why aubergine?

i am back and i am town this time

*squints*
idk, not feeling this

Is it bad if that makes me want to vote you lol

the lol and the fact that it's a question makes this feel more friendly than it needs to be
probably not super AI though

you should vote mafia not town

this post actually makes me feel a bit better about the previous one but still easily made as either alignment tbh

so now i pose the question, even if i was a wolf, do you think you could have successfully caught me based off my current actions

ok, it feels like they're treating each other as town now
not w/w

What current actions in the thread are most likely to catch a wolf?

I don’t really like the dismissive “you were just wrong so have to be here” to a small day 1 suspicion comment. The thread has been mostly OT, someone has to get things rolling.

kinda like this
viberead town

I've caught others by doing this.

you're bad

probably also >rand town

Thanks. That's the fastest anyone has told me I'm bad before.

But am I bad as in a shit player. Or bad as in mafia?

One of these is true.

Neon interpreting bad as skill-related rather than alignment is towny imo

Ha ha I win, Rondo said I was bad on page one, and I’m pretty sure it was page one in LGM when Sean did, too.

I’m home pretty much all weekend, so I’ll have plenty of time to stay caught up.

On this list, Lemonfairy is new to me, I played with TSP a few time, but I don’t recall his game well, so he might as well be.

very neutral post, doesn't swing me either way

do you think using tactics and strategy is ai for me?

lucy feels very self-focused this game
idk what to make of it yet

I’ve played games with40 and 50 people, and never kept a spreadsheet

omg imagine making a spreadsheet for 40/50 people
I can barely bother to make those with 7 people

i also wasn't lying about my memory, i've never taken notes in a single class, nor do i need spreadsheets to track reads, it's all easily retained.

-_- opposite of me
everything gets deleted after a while

Alright, who's Maf? Still Marmot?
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I'm reading these as though they're entrance posts but this just reminded me that there was a N0 that I didn't bother to read
uhhh whatever ig, I'll just make do

also, is aubergine an inside joke or a reference to something?

Marmot

why though
but post is fine ig

@Neon Not sure yet but eye was drawn somewhere D 0 but I'm giving it a chance since it was only D 0. So no name mentioning for yet. How about you?

ehhh ok this can be vibe town too

I've already forgotten the other people I gave vibe townreads to

I don't have many thoughts. I think Lucy is town... so like can't wait for round 2 of Neon vs everyone lol

why

ok, I'm going to end this one here b/c it's getting long

The answer to all your questions about me is

"Because"

[S~V~S]

@Lemonfairy

The aubergine makes it easier to search for vote posts, you can't search "vote" as it's too common.

And re Neon vs everyone, last game she was town and aggressively defended Lucy, who was bad, and was pretty much the only person who felt that way.

[Lemonfairy]

The answer to all your questions about me is

"Because"

that doesn't help

[Lemonfairy]

@Lemonfairy

The aubergine makes it easier to search for vote posts, you can't search "vote" as it's too common.

And re Neon vs everyone, last game she was town and aggressively defended Lucy, who was bad, and was pretty much the only person who felt that way.

oh ok thanks

oh no, I wasn't asking about that
I was asking why she townread lucy

tbh I don't really care about previous games unless they have a direct impact on how someone is reading someone else and/or has meta that would make reading someone easier

[S~V~S]

@Lemonfairy

The aubergine makes it easier to search for vote posts, you can't search "vote" as it's too common.

And re Neon vs everyone, last game she was town and aggressively defended Lucy, who was bad, and was pretty much the only person who felt that way.

oh ok thanks

oh no, I wasn't asking about that
I was asking why she townread lucy

tbh I don't really care about previous games unless they have a direct impact on how someone is reading someone else and/or has meta that would make reading someone easier

Oh, good luck with that.

There's a lot of meta reading here, plus we have two groups melding right now, older players who used to play here years ago and drifted away (like me) but came back for the Anniversary Games and stuck around, and newer players who have evolved the game style over the last several years to a different approach. So alot of us don't really know each other, or each others games, all that much better than you do, but some of us know each other super well.

But new eyes, new insights, are always good.

[sabie12]

So I did say that this game is a little easier to keep up with and I like that it's slower paced, buuuut SVS is right that, that does make it a little slower to get going and I'm a slower to start player as it is. I just logged on, on my computer and it is so much easier to read. So I am going through and rereading the game from the beginning since it's not that many pages. The first three pages are mostly the OT stuff. One of the things that stood out to me is the interactions between SVS, lucy and then Dennis added in. A lot of focus on what happened last game and then the discussion of whether they could have btsc or not based on their interactions. SVS seems to be townreading lucy and I can see that she seems to be less talkative this game so her play style seems a little different, but it's still early. So the conversations seemed organic so probably not teamed up, but something to keep in mind for later if it becomes relevant.
Then there was the falcon and wilgy interactions. It seems like wilgy thought falcon should be hunting more, but there hadn't been much going on yet and then falcon thought that made wilgy scummy for saying that about him so early. So seems like wilgy was maybe too quick to come to that conclusion and it didn't feel like a real read, but wasn't presented as a general push for falcon to participate more. It may be because I haven't been here in awhile, but it seems out of character for wilgy this early on.

[Spacedaisy]

I turned the player list into ISO links for those of you playing from mobile devices. If there is something else that needs done, let me know.

[fingersplints]

So far the only things stand out to me are that iRondo came in like a much duller version of himself from last game. He is not pressing anyone. He has not made multiple votes with nary a reason. He hasn't pushed not questioned anyone for any reason. Makes me wonder about what may have changed from this game to the last one.

He was a sub last game, dropped in around D3 or D4. Here he gets to make his own reads, but in the other he had to rely on ours until he got a feel. That's my guess, at least.

This makes sense, I think subbing in later does make it easier to get into it because there's more info to go on and things have gotten going by then.

Wolf team is Kate / SVS / Quinn

So he picked the 3rd, 4th and 5th persons to post. I assumed it was a joke (although nothing he ever posts reads like a joke to me, I can't read him at all after the one game), and moved on.

When I came into the thread after Day one started, I saw he was still on that, and had voted for me.

I'm like, Is this a joke, does he mean it? After the last game I am vaguely terrified of him (only low key kidding here). He came in to the last game like a force of nature (but he subbed in and i know when I sub in I try to establish my civ credentials early), and they kept blazing the whole game. Everyone else seems to be ignoring it, but I have been waiting for him, and he hasn't come back. It's just weird to me that he picked 3, 4, 5 even if a joke. He's usually here in the AM, my time, when I'm here, and hasn't been the last 2 days. There could be civ reasons for this, or just random Rondo reasons, and not gonna let myself get derailed by fear of being derailed, if that makes sense.

So I'm gonna stop worrying about it.

So both of these quotes mention rondo and his differences from last game, and both excuse this with comments of the difference between subbing in and from the beginning. This is not normal from what I have seen from town rondo in other games where he played from the beginning. He always kind of dives in and can be quite relentless with his suspicions even early.
I will say that I can’t remember if I’ve ever played a game when he is bad

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

[Mongoose]

Zero posts from Eps or TSP. @Mongoose do you know anything?
Are they being replaced or have they asked for a sub? Will you even bother answering these questions?

No news yet; stay tuned.

[Mongoose]

I turned the player list into ISO links for those of you playing from mobile devices. If there is something else that needs done, let me know.

OMG thank you; I couldn’t figure out how to do that with the « new » interface.

[DrWilgy]

I've caught up... Falcon and Neon seem to be Mafia.

Neon's energy does not match my expectations, it may be AI... I think.

Can you elaborate? Certainly your lick gave off more than that? Or is it just the feels on these 2?

Yes. I think Town Falcon who is present early would have a minor interest in scouting...

This does not appear to be present so far.

Neon has seemed to drastically shift meta to come out guns blasting. Neon is a player who is good at finding town and going from there... Not this behavior we see now.

Now, I should continue my efforts at home.

I don't know either of these players well enough yet to agree or disagree but I'll keep it in mind. Neon was pretty guns blazing last game, well more like shield weilding.

But did i wield my shield day 1?

I actually don't remember lol

You were subbed in. You weren't there D1. I think they meant towards the end where you were defending yourself defending Lucy.

Oh right I missed the original sign up window and subbed.

Point stands though. I thought that's what they meant but I also feel like Wilgy is saying it's too early for me to be doing what I'm doing.

But I also think Wilgy should know that I don't ever try to approach any two games the same exact way. I don't know if there push on me is wolf driven though.

Well then, what evidence from my push would indicate that it is wolf driven?

You seemed quick to town read my reaction, but then to question it so... Why?

[DrWilgy]

Ye right so I think a key thing for Wilgy is how early it is.

I think I'm not Wilgy could be wrong

I'm not sure what's being postulated here. Would you care to define?

[DrWilgy]

fingersplints: town
lucy: town
Roxy: town
Neon: probably town
Sabi: mommy
SVS: maybe mafia (although the more she posts the more I trend away from this)
falcon: probably a wolf
DrWilgy: uwu
Kate: not obviously town (which I am taking to be slightly wolf-indicative based on seeing her as obv!town last game)
Lemonfairy: hi

Why are Roxy, fingers and Lucy town?

Roxy and lucy both randed mafia last game, and they seem to be playing much differently this time around to start things off.

Lucy calling attention to herself I would expect as either alignment, but I feel like she's actually doing something with the attention she's intentionally garnering this time, which is rand!v.

Roxy looked uncomfortable when she was posting early on in that game I mention, where as that discomfort doesn't appear to exist at all now.

fingersplints, when I've seen her as mafia, sometimes asks questions for the sake of asking questions (and it shows), and she has not done that at all this game. I get the impression there is intention behind them.


Do you have a particular opinion on any of these three?

I find myself in agreement with your Roxy read.

[DrWilgy]

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[Mongoose]

Noontime Check-in/Optional Prompt:

What’s the best office party (holiday or otherwise) you’ve ever attended?

My answer: Last night my husband @reywaS (who will literally never see this because he “forgot” his password) attended a holiday party thrown by the fitness studio owners where I teach yoga. It was held at one of those family fun zones where they have arcade games, ski-ball, Go-Karts, laser tag, batting cages, mini golf, VR games etc. The studio owners rent the entire place out for us fitness instructors and our families so it’s a great time.

Time is ticking - Get your Day 1 votes in!

[Marmot]

much differently

not ai for me

I have never seen someone with such resistance to being townread, lol.

In some capacity, I would call it the old norm because no townie would want to die (and thus lose).

In this case, I think lucy is being resistant to being readable in general, not necessarily not being townread.

[DrWilgy]

@Neon Thanks, that's what I thought.

fingersplints: town
lucy: town
Roxy: town
Neon: probably town
Sabi: mommy
SVS: maybe mafia (although the more she posts the more I trend away from this)
falcon: probably a wolf
DrWilgy: uwu
Kate: not obviously town (which I am taking to be slightly wolf-indicative based on seeing her as obv!town last game)
Lemonfairy: hi

Well, as others have said, it's been the fluffiest of fluffy threads so far. But I know I have been being quiet, for reasons besides the fluff, although that contributes.

On Day Zero, as soon as the thread opened Rondo was in here posting. Falcon came in a minute later, then over the next 15 minutes or so, me, Kate and Quin came in. There was chatting about the tea poll, bitching about the PG-13 warning yada yada yada.

Rondo proclaimed a bit later that me, Kate and Quin were the bad team,

Wolf team is Kate / SVS / Quinn

So he picked the 3rd, 4th and 5th persons to post. I assumed it was a joke (although nothing he ever posts reads like a joke to me, I can't read him at all after the one game), and moved on.

When I came into the thread after Day one started, I saw he was still on that, and had voted for me.

I'm like, Is this a joke, does he mean it? After the last game I am vaguely terrified of him (only low key kidding here). He came in to the last game like a force of nature (but he subbed in and i know when I sub in I try to establish my civ credentials early), and they kept blazing the whole game. Everyone else seems to be ignoring it, but I have been waiting for him, and he hasn't come back. It's just weird to me that he picked 3, 4, 5 even if a joke. He's usually here in the AM, my time, when I'm here, and hasn't been the last 2 days. There could be civ reasons for this, or just random Rondo reasons, and not gonna let myself get derailed by fear of being derailed, if that makes sense.

So I'm gonna stop worrying about it.

Re your list, I haven't seen anything to think Splints or Roxy is bad, but nothing to say they're sure town either. Same for Kate. In LGM, I read Kate right, but otherwise was pretty much wrong about most of my friends (I thought Mata was bad early, but I backed off, so that doesn't count imo). Kate is easier to read with Golden in the game (and I recall this going back 10 and more years ago, to other sites). They seem to have an inherent understanding of each other, and I tend to town read them both via the light they reflect off of each other, if that makes sense. She's a little cagier without that. Even in Game 1, where he was bad, he did a really good job of approximating that. So she's a harder read for me without him in thread. And she called me "Little Lady" which counts for hilarity points.

Dennis also seems less engaged than last game, but that day one towncore feel isn't here that was in his first game. He was lucky, I think, to have his first game rand civ into a game like that.

I also think Lucy is town, and to extra annoy her, she's the only person close to town lock for me.

I haven't seen Neons early game. She IS different to LGM, but like Rondo, she subbed in and when you sub in you want to make a civvie splash coming in the door.

You voted for Quin, but he's not on your list. I tend to read him as bad, why did you vote for him.

I am trying to sort the falcon/Wilgy thing. Why does falcon think that after a 48 hour fluff-fest someone should be assured of his affiliation? I'm not 100% sure I understand either side of that 1/1 with him and Wilgy. He seems legit upset about it, and I'm not sure why. I think he plays a fairly blendy civ game on short acquaintance, and he took a lot of suspish for it last game. But Wilgys reasons for suspecting him seem a bit forced to me, although I would imagine a bad Wilgy would just lick people and not bother to list suspects at all.

I've caught up... Falcon and Neon seem to be Mafia.

Neon's energy does not match my expectations, it may be AI... I think.

Can you elaborate? Certainly your lick gave off more than that? Or is it just the feels on these 2?

Yes. I think Town Falcon who is present early would have a minor interest in scouting...

This does not appear to be present so far.

Neon has seemed to drastically shift meta to come out guns blasting. Neon is a player who is good at finding town and going from there... Not this behavior we see now.

Now, I should continue my efforts at home.

I mean, NO ONE had been hunting much up to the time he said this. So this is kinda looking like a tempest in a teapot. Heh.

I think this is not the game Lemonfairy wanted to play, so they are basically shitposting so far. They seem to be a charming person, so they are charming shitposts, like someone spamming you with rainbows.

I will be home today, I'll be in and out.

I'm genuinely curious here SVS as it appears that you are tip toeing. You state your intent to sort Falcon vs Me, but then instead of drawing a conclusion you put wolf associated actions to both of Falcon and I. Why is this? Is it possible for this to be W/W in your perspective?

Also, as you may not be aware, but my meta has shifted quite a bit. The boss said I have to start taking things more seriously.

[Kate]

much differently

not ai for me

I have never seen someone with such resistance to being townread, lol.

In some capacity, I would call it the old norm because no townie would want to die (and thus lose).

In this case, I think lucy is being resistant to being readable in general, not necessarily not being townread.

That's a good point about lucy, she did state that she wants her game to be different every game. @Dennis thoughts on this?

I still have to go look back at falcon like I said last night. Lots of time still.

Just want to add, this day 1 is hugely different from last game, if just for the fact that there is so much less substantive discussion.

[Marmot]

I've had a busy last few days, and also won't be around for deadline today because I have DND. But I'll contribute what I can in the next couple of hours before I have to leave.


@Kate who's your top suspect at the moment (I'm going to assume it isn't Epignosis).

[DrWilgy]

Noontime Check-in/Optional Prompt:

What’s the best office party (holiday or otherwise) you’ve ever attended?

My answer: Last night my husband @reywaS (who will literally never see this because he “forgot” his password) attended a holiday party thrown by the fitness studio owners where I teach yoga. It was held at one of those family fun zones where they have arcade games, ski-ball, Go-Karts, laser tag, batting cages, mini golf, VR games etc. The studio owners rent the entire place out for us fitness instructors and our families so it’s a great time.

Time is ticking - Get your Day 1 votes in!

Several years ago, I convinced my bosses it would be a good event for the company to have them all consume Carolina Reapers if our metrics were good enough.

Little did they expect for us to pull it off. It resulted in a lunch time party of sorts where we got to watch our four bosses crying as a spicy pepper destroyed their insides.

I do still consider it to be one of the best things I've set into motion. No I was not reimbursed for the Reapers.

[Marmot]

Noontime Check-in/Optional Prompt:

What’s the best office party (holiday or otherwise) you’ve ever attended?

My answer: Last night my husband @reywaS (who will literally never see this because he “forgot” his password) attended a holiday party thrown by the fitness studio owners where I teach yoga. It was held at one of those family fun zones where they have arcade games, ski-ball, Go-Karts, laser tag, batting cages, mini golf, VR games etc. The studio owners rent the entire place out for us fitness instructors and our families so it’s a great time.

Time is ticking - Get your Day 1 votes in!

Tbh, I'd never been to a company party until this past Friday (for one reason or another), so I'll call that one the best one for obvious reasons.

Our bosses took us out for an open bar, prepared a small game of trivia for us, we had a raucous good time, and then went to see my friend play a show down the street.

I had 4 beers and a hot toddy over the course of 9 hours, which for me felt like the perfect drinking pace of having a grand time and still waking up Saturday morning to do things.

[Marmot]

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[DrWilgy]

So I did say that this game is a little easier to keep up with and I like that it's slower paced, buuuut SVS is right that, that does make it a little slower to get going and I'm a slower to start player as it is. I just logged on, on my computer and it is so much easier to read. So I am going through and rereading the game from the beginning since it's not that many pages. The first three pages are mostly the OT stuff. One of the things that stood out to me is the interactions between SVS, lucy and then Dennis added in. A lot of focus on what happened last game and then the discussion of whether they could have btsc or not based on their interactions. SVS seems to be townreading lucy and I can see that she seems to be less talkative this game so her play style seems a little different, but it's still early. So the conversations seemed organic so probably not teamed up, but something to keep in mind for later if it becomes relevant.
Then there was the falcon and wilgy interactions. It seems like wilgy thought falcon should be hunting more, but there hadn't been much going on yet and then falcon thought that made wilgy scummy for saying that about him so early. So seems like wilgy was maybe too quick to come to that conclusion and it didn't feel like a real read, but wasn't presented as a general push for falcon to participate more. It may be because I haven't been here in awhile, but it seems out of character for wilgy this early on.

So my understanding is correct, you find SVS and Lucy's interactions worth examination, but conclusions cannot be drawn yet due to a lack of data?

On the later subject, would you say that this gives town equity to Falcon and wolf equity to me?

[DrWilgy]

I've had a busy last few days, and also won't be around for deadline today because I have DND. But I'll contribute what I can in the next couple of hours before I have to leave.


@Kate who's your top suspect at the moment (I'm going to assume it isn't Epignosis).

Roll a 20 for me.

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[Marmot]

I've had a busy last few days, and also won't be around for deadline today because I have DND. But I'll contribute what I can in the next couple of hours before I have to leave.


@Kate who's your top suspect at the moment (I'm going to assume it isn't Epignosis).

Roll a 20 for me.

19 (22 with a +3 marmot modifier)

[DrWilgy]

I've had a busy last few days, and also won't be around for deadline today because I have DND. But I'll contribute what I can in the next couple of hours before I have to leave.


@Kate who's your top suspect at the moment (I'm going to assume it isn't Epignosis).

Roll a 20 for me.

19 (22 with a +3 marmot modifier)

This'll suffice. Hopefully my boss approves.

[S~V~S]

much differently

not ai for me

I have never seen someone with such resistance to being townread, lol.

In some capacity, I would call it the old norm because no townie would want to die (and thus lose).

In this case, I think lucy is being resistant to being readable in general, not necessarily not being townread.

Mostly, I would agree with that; I am going with the "new norm" and calling townreads, but lord, it's not easy for me. And I took some flak in Game 1 because I didn't like doing it.

But yeah, on short acquaintance she seems to like cultivating an air of not quite mystery, but that's the closest I can come to what I think.

@DrWilgy I am tiptoeing a bit, since I am not sure what I think. I also attributed town actions to both of you.

If you were bad, I doubt you would have come in here all serious when people expect you not to. And I thought falcon legit looked upset by it. When he sussed me in LGM, he looked not unlike he looks here. I tend to think stuff like this on Day One tends civ/civ more often than not. Because I also don't see why you'd expect him specifically to be hunting when pretty much no one was, and why he was so sure you could not possibly misread him.

So I'm trying to sort it, becasue I can see it both ways.

@Mongoose It was years ago, They had it at a hall, and they had a magician, and tarot reader, a photo booth and lots of booths with games; it was almost like an indoor carnival.

[Marmot]

In the Wilgy/falcon dispute, I definitely agree with Wilgy about falcon, and between the two think Wilgy is more likely to be town atm.

I do think that sabie means what she said about Wilgy, thinking that him pushing falcon for not doing anything when there wasn't much to do, although I don't agree with her on it, as I think Wilgy is more multi-dimensional than her recollection suggests.

@sabie12 what do you make of falcon at this point?

[Marmot]

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[S~V~S]

Spoiler: show

much differently

not ai for me

I have never seen someone with such resistance to being townread, lol.

In some capacity, I would call it the old norm because no townie would want to die (and thus lose).

In this case, I think lucy is being resistant to being readable in general, not necessarily not being townread.

Mostly, I would agree with that; I am going with the "new norm" and calling townreads, but lord, it's not easy for me. And I took some flak in Game 1 because I didn't like doing it.

But yeah, on short acquaintance she seems to like cultivating an air of not quite mystery, but that's the closest I can come to what I think.

@DrWilgy I am tiptoeing a bit, since I am not sure what I think. I also attributed town actions to both of you.

If you were bad, I doubt you would have come in here all serious when people expect you not to. And I thought falcon legit looked upset by it. When he sussed me in LGM, he looked not unlike he looks here. I tend to think stuff like this on Day One tends civ/civ more often than not. Because I also don't see why you'd expect him specifically to be hunting when pretty much no one was, and why he was so sure you could not possibly misread him.

So I'm trying to sort it, becasue I can see it both ways.

@Mongoose It was years ago, They had it at a hall, and they had a magician, and tarot reader, a photo booth and lots of booths with games; it was almost like an indoor carnival.

ebwop, Inscrutability! That's the word I was looking for. She likes to cultivate an air of inscrutability.

[Kate]

I've had a busy last few days, and also won't be around for deadline today because I have DND. But I'll contribute what I can in the next couple of hours before I have to leave.


@Kate who's your top suspect at the moment (I'm going to assume it isn't Epignosis).

It's either dennis/lucy or falcon. But I'm least concerned with falcon. I want to read falcon in the last game but I haven't gotten there yet. Just got the baby to bed so ill try to do it soonish.

[Marmot]

I've had a busy last few days, and also won't be around for deadline today because I have DND. But I'll contribute what I can in the next couple of hours before I have to leave.


@Kate who's your top suspect at the moment (I'm going to assume it isn't Epignosis).

It's either dennis/lucy or falcon. But I'm least concerned with falcon. I want to read falcon in the last game but I haven't gotten there yet. Just got the baby to bed so ill try to do it soonish.

Why dennis or lucy? I have a slight inclination to think lucy could be town, but don't have a read on Dennis yet.

Falcon I agree on.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

much differently

not ai for me

I have never seen someone with such resistance to being townread, lol.

In some capacity, I would call it the old norm because no townie would want to die (and thus lose).

In this case, I think lucy is being resistant to being readable in general, not necessarily not being townread.

Mostly, I would agree with that; I am going with the "new norm" and calling townreads, but lord, it's not easy for me. And I took some flak in Game 1 because I didn't like doing it.

But yeah, on short acquaintance she seems to like cultivating an air of not quite mystery, but that's the closest I can come to what I think.

@DrWilgy I am tiptoeing a bit, since I am not sure what I think. I also attributed town actions to both of you.

If you were bad, I doubt you would have come in here all serious when people expect you not to. And I thought falcon legit looked upset by it. When he sussed me in LGM, he looked not unlike he looks here. I tend to think stuff like this on Day One tends civ/civ more often than not. Because I also don't see why you'd expect him specifically to be hunting when pretty much no one was, and why he was so sure you could not possibly misread him.

So I'm trying to sort it, becasue I can see it both ways.

@Mongoose It was years ago, They had it at a hall, and they had a magician, and tarot reader, a photo booth and lots of booths with games; it was almost like an indoor carnival.

ebwop, Inscrutability! That's the word I was looking for. She likes to cultivate an air of inscrutability.

We should scrutinize her.

[DrWilgy]

In the Wilgy/falcon dispute, I definitely agree with Wilgy about falcon, and between the two think Wilgy is more likely to be town atm.

I do think that sabie means what she said about Wilgy, thinking that him pushing falcon for not doing anything when there wasn't much to do, although I don't agree with her on it, as I think Wilgy is more multi-dimensional than her recollection suggests.

@sabie12 what do you make of falcon at this point?

And this is re SVS as well.

What I find interesting is that Falcon has a tendency to slank, remember the game or at least be able to get back into it by asking the question "who town reads me?"

Only then... He sorts out between who's looking for the easy sheep and who's serious in their statement.

I, however, disrupted this... I think. That was also entirely on purpose. The boss did tell me to do so.

Falcon's reaction I believe to be genuinely w attributed.

[DrWilgy]

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[Dennis]

@Dennis seems a lot less engaged this game than last. He came out of the gate playing last game, his first. I don't see any reason he'd be less active this game. Whare you at, wild dennis?

Things last game started way faster and I don't know how to really get things rolling.

Last game Golden pulled in town core fast plus we had a tunnel to discuss (Sean vs me) very early. Here we had slot of baked goods and warm fuzzy fluff. Fluffy games are warm and cheery, but can be slow starters until someone is actually eliminated.

I am trying to sort falcon v Wilgy. Do you have an opinion on that?

I think they're both town. Falcon feels the same as last game, not on topic until something interesting happens to him, then focusing up. Wilgy is just INCREDIBLY on topic. Most of his fluff posts are his ongoing hi train with Marmot. Out of these two, I say Falcon is more likely to be bad because Falcon's defense of 'You shouldn't read my slot this way' is weird. Your slot is read different each game because you have a different role each game, right? Or am I misinterpreting 'slot'.

I should probably go back and read, unless someone wants to talk with me rn? (invitation to provide me with an excuse to not backread)

It's like 8 pages, mostly of shitposts. I don't see why you have to be so reluctant.

@Neon Thanks, that's what I thought.

fingersplints: town
lucy: town
Roxy: town
Neon: probably town
Sabi: mommy
SVS: maybe mafia (although the more she posts the more I trend away from this)
falcon: probably a wolf
DrWilgy: uwu
Kate: not obviously town (which I am taking to be slightly wolf-indicative based on seeing her as obv!town last game)
Lemonfairy: hi

Well, as others have said, it's been the fluffiest of fluffy threads so far. But I know I have been being quiet, for reasons besides the fluff, although that contributes.

On Day Zero, as soon as the thread opened Rondo was in here posting. Falcon came in a minute later, then over the next 15 minutes or so, me, Kate and Quin came in. There was chatting about the tea poll, bitching about the PG-13 warning yada yada yada.

Rondo proclaimed a bit later that me, Kate and Quin were the bad team,

Wolf team is Kate / SVS / Quinn

So he picked the 3rd, 4th and 5th persons to post. I assumed it was a joke (although nothing he ever posts reads like a joke to me, I can't read him at all after the one game), and moved on.

When I came into the thread after Day one started, I saw he was still on that, and had voted for me.

I'm like, Is this a joke, does he mean it? After the last game I am vaguely terrified of him (only low key kidding here). He came in to the last game like a force of nature (but he subbed in and i know when I sub in I try to establish my civ credentials early), and they kept blazing the whole game. Everyone else seems to be ignoring it, but I have been waiting for him, and he hasn't come back. It's just weird to me that he picked 3, 4, 5 even if a joke. He's usually here in the AM, my time, when I'm here, and hasn't been the last 2 days. There could be civ reasons for this, or just random Rondo reasons, and not gonna let myself get derailed by fear of being derailed, if that makes sense.

So I'm gonna stop worrying about it.

Re your list, I haven't seen anything to think Splints or Roxy is bad, but nothing to say they're sure town either. Same for Kate. In LGM, I read Kate right, but otherwise was pretty much wrong about most of my friends (I thought Mata was bad early, but I backed off, so that doesn't count imo). Kate is easier to read with Golden in the game (and I recall this going back 10 and more years ago, to other sites). They seem to have an inherent understanding of each other, and I tend to town read them both via the light they reflect off of each other, if that makes sense. She's a little cagier without that. Even in Game 1, where he was bad, he did a really good job of approximating that. So she's a harder read for me without him in thread. And she called me "Little Lady" which counts for hilarity points.

Dennis also seems less engaged than last game, but that day one towncore feel isn't here that was in his first game. He was lucky, I think, to have his first game rand civ into a game like that.

I also think Lucy is town, and to extra annoy her, she's the only person close to town lock for me.

I haven't seen Neons early game. She IS different to LGM, but like Rondo, she subbed in and when you sub in you want to make a civvie splash coming in the door.

You voted for Quin, but he's not on your list. I tend to read him as bad, why did you vote for him.

I am trying to sort the falcon/Wilgy thing. Why does falcon think that after a 48 hour fluff-fest someone should be assured of his affiliation? I'm not 100% sure I understand either side of that 1/1 with him and Wilgy. He seems legit upset about it, and I'm not sure why. I think he plays a fairly blendy civ game on short acquaintance, and he took a lot of suspish for it last game. But Wilgys reasons for suspecting him seem a bit forced to me, although I would imagine a bad Wilgy would just lick people and not bother to list suspects at all.

I've caught up... Falcon and Neon seem to be Mafia.

Neon's energy does not match my expectations, it may be AI... I think.

Can you elaborate? Certainly your lick gave off more than that? Or is it just the feels on these 2?

Yes. I think Town Falcon who is present early would have a minor interest in scouting...

This does not appear to be present so far.

Neon has seemed to drastically shift meta to come out guns blasting. Neon is a player who is good at finding town and going from there... Not this behavior we see now.

Now, I should continue my efforts at home.

I mean, NO ONE had been hunting much up to the time he said this. So this is kinda looking like a tempest in a teapot. Heh.

I think this is not the game Lemonfairy wanted to play, so they are basically shitposting so far. They seem to be a charming person, so they are charming shitposts, like someone spamming you with rainbows.

I will be home today, I'll be in and out.

Help, I agree with literally everything but I don't remember typing this!

Spoiler: show

Welcome to my scum pile

[VOTE: Lemon] aubergine

why aubergine?

i am back and i am town this time

*squints*
idk, not feeling this

Is it bad if that makes me want to vote you lol

the lol and the fact that it's a question makes this feel more friendly than it needs to be
probably not super AI though

you should vote mafia not town

this post actually makes me feel a bit better about the previous one but still easily made as either alignment tbh

so now i pose the question, even if i was a wolf, do you think you could have successfully caught me based off my current actions

ok, it feels like they're treating each other as town now
not w/w

What current actions in the thread are most likely to catch a wolf?

I don’t really like the dismissive “you were just wrong so have to be here” to a small day 1 suspicion comment. The thread has been mostly OT, someone has to get things rolling.

kinda like this
viberead town

I've caught others by doing this.

you're bad

probably also >rand town

Thanks. That's the fastest anyone has told me I'm bad before.

But am I bad as in a shit player. Or bad as in mafia?

One of these is true.

Neon interpreting bad as skill-related rather than alignment is towny imo

Ha ha I win, Rondo said I was bad on page one, and I’m pretty sure it was page one in LGM when Sean did, too.

I’m home pretty much all weekend, so I’ll have plenty of time to stay caught up.

On this list, Lemonfairy is new to me, I played with TSP a few time, but I don’t recall his game well, so he might as well be.

very neutral post, doesn't swing me either way

do you think using tactics and strategy is ai for me?

lucy feels very self-focused this game
idk what to make of it yet

I’ve played games with40 and 50 people, and never kept a spreadsheet

omg imagine making a spreadsheet for 40/50 people
I can barely bother to make those with 7 people

i also wasn't lying about my memory, i've never taken notes in a single class, nor do i need spreadsheets to track reads, it's all easily retained.

-_- opposite of me
everything gets deleted after a while

Alright, who's Maf? Still Marmot?
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I'm reading these as though they're entrance posts but this just reminded me that there was a N0 that I didn't bother to read
uhhh whatever ig, I'll just make do

also, is aubergine an inside joke or a reference to something?

Marmot

why though
but post is fine ig

@Neon Not sure yet but eye was drawn somewhere D 0 but I'm giving it a chance since it was only D 0. So no name mentioning for yet. How about you?

ehhh ok this can be vibe town too

I've already forgotten the other people I gave vibe townreads to

I don't have many thoughts. I think Lucy is town... so like can't wait for round 2 of Neon vs everyone lol

why

ok, I'm going to end this one here b/c it's getting long

The answer to all your questions about me is

"Because"

I would love to hear a bit more from you than things like this, especially remembering your walls of defense last game. Obviously you can't do that right now because it's D1, but I'm pretty sure you can give a bit more than "Because".

So far the only things stand out to me are that iRondo came in like a much duller version of himself from last game. He is not pressing anyone. He has not made multiple votes with nary a reason. He hasn't pushed not questioned anyone for any reason. Makes me wonder about what may have changed from this game to the last one.

He was a sub last game, dropped in around D3 or D4. Here he gets to make his own reads, but in the other he had to rely on ours until he got a feel. That's my guess, at least.

This makes sense, I think subbing in later does make it easier to get into it because there's more info to go on and things have gotten going by then.

Wolf team is Kate / SVS / Quinn

So he picked the 3rd, 4th and 5th persons to post. I assumed it was a joke (although nothing he ever posts reads like a joke to me, I can't read him at all after the one game), and moved on.

When I came into the thread after Day one started, I saw he was still on that, and had voted for me.

I'm like, Is this a joke, does he mean it? After the last game I am vaguely terrified of him (only low key kidding here). He came in to the last game like a force of nature (but he subbed in and i know when I sub in I try to establish my civ credentials early), and they kept blazing the whole game. Everyone else seems to be ignoring it, but I have been waiting for him, and he hasn't come back. It's just weird to me that he picked 3, 4, 5 even if a joke. He's usually here in the AM, my time, when I'm here, and hasn't been the last 2 days. There could be civ reasons for this, or just random Rondo reasons, and not gonna let myself get derailed by fear of being derailed, if that makes sense.

So I'm gonna stop worrying about it.

So both of these quotes mention rondo and his differences from last game, and both excuse this with comments of the difference between subbing in and from the beginning. This is not normal from what I have seen from town rondo in other games where he played from the beginning. He always kind of dives in and can be quite relentless with his suspicions even early.
I will say that I can’t remember if I’ve ever played a game when he is bad

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

I'm reluctant to do anything with Rondo currently. The only experience I have with him is when he subbed in, which obviously you will play different, but now I'm hearing he's like that all the time and it's getting me all confused. I'm gonna plop him on a little null read for now until I hear more from him.

@Kate I will get to your question in a moment, I know I missed it.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE: USE SPOILERS FOR THIS POST IF YOU REACT TO IT. NONE OF US WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT.

[Kate]

I've had a busy last few days, and also won't be around for deadline today because I have DND. But I'll contribute what I can in the next couple of hours before I have to leave.


@Kate who's your top suspect at the moment (I'm going to assume it isn't Epignosis).

It's either dennis/lucy or falcon. But I'm least concerned with falcon. I want to read falcon in the last game but I haven't gotten there yet. Just got the baby to bed so ill try to do it soonish.

Why dennis or lucy? I have a slight inclination to think lucy could be town, but don't have a read on Dennis yet.

Falcon I agree on.

Dennis came out much more confident and inquisitive in the first game, which was actually his FIRST game. He seemed to drop right into his element, so to say. Here, he seems to be guarded and less willing to post. I thought it early on but was giving him the benefit of the doubt bc (as I've said a few times now) there is far less activity. I seem to recall, even as a newb he was not just talking, but GENERATING conversation. I don't see that here.

Also the interaction with lucy was almost stage-y. Like let's put on the same back and forth as last game but keep it less objectionable to your mom. (Lol) although I'm not sure Dennis would take instruction, but it could be a plan. Just thinking out loud at this point...something is rotten in the town of Constantinople ( I kill me ). Anyway, read it if you have a sec and lmk.

Still withholding judgment on falcon as I said above.

[Kate]

...and there's dennis lol. If I haven't mentioned it before, I really miss linki.

[Dennis]

much differently

not ai for me

I have never seen someone with such resistance to being townread, lol.

In some capacity, I would call it the old norm because no townie would want to die (and thus lose).

In this case, I think lucy is being resistant to being readable in general, not necessarily not being townread.

That's a good point about lucy, she did state that she wants her game to be different every game. @Dennis thoughts on this?

I still have to go look back at falcon like I said last night. Lots of time still.

Just want to add, this day 1 is hugely different from last game, if just for the fact that there is so much less substantive discussion.

This is clearly you trying to get me re-engaged. I have told you, I just have less to comment on. I am still engaged, I assure you. I am godawful at starting conversations but if someone gets me going, that's when I start really going in.

But, to answer your question, I have only played 1 game with Lucy, and she was mafia. But never approaching 2 games the same makes sense, and her reluctance to be read is a good thing IMO. It was annoying being immediately town read by everybody in LGM, because it kinda took away the thrill of 'Ooh someone's voting me!' because I got like 4 votes in total. So, I agree with her on not wanting to be readable, if not for anything else for the thrill of it.

[Kate]

much differently

not ai for me

I have never seen someone with such resistance to being townread, lol.

In some capacity, I would call it the old norm because no townie would want to die (and thus lose).

In this case, I think lucy is being resistant to being readable in general, not necessarily not being townread.

That's a good point about lucy, she did state that she wants her game to be different every game. @Dennis thoughts on this?

I still have to go look back at falcon like I said last night. Lots of time still.

Just want to add, this day 1 is hugely different from last game, if just for the fact that there is so much less substantive discussion.

This is clearly you trying to get me re-engaged. I have told you, I just have less to comment on. I am still engaged, I assure you. I am godawful at starting conversations but if someone gets me going, that's when I start really going in.

But, to answer your question, I have only played 1 game with Lucy, and she was mafia. But never approaching 2 games the same makes sense, and her reluctance to be read is a good thing IMO. It was annoying being immediately town read by everybody in LGM, because it kinda took away the thrill of 'Ooh someone's voting me!' because I got like 4 votes in total. So, I agree with her on not wanting to be readable, if not for anything else for the thrill of it.

Oh, sweetheart, it pains me to say I think it's a little more than me prodding you to talk.

[S~V~S]

@Dennis seems a lot less engaged this game than last. He came out of the gate playing last game, his first. I don't see any reason he'd be less active this game. Whare you at, wild dennis?

Things last game started way faster and I don't know how to really get things rolling.

Last game Golden pulled in town core fast plus we had a tunnel to discuss (Sean vs me) very early. Here we had slot of baked goods and warm fuzzy fluff. Fluffy games are warm and cheery, but can be slow starters until someone is actually eliminated.

I am trying to sort falcon v Wilgy. Do you have an opinion on that?

I think they're both town. Falcon feels the same as last game, not on topic until something interesting happens to him, then focusing up. Wilgy is just INCREDIBLY on topic. Most of his fluff posts are his ongoing hi train with Marmot. Out of these two, I say Falcon is more likely to be bad because Falcon's defense of 'You shouldn't read my slot this way' is weird. Your slot is read different each game because you have a different role each game, right? Or am I misinterpreting 'slot'.

Yeah, I agree, how does someone expect someone else to know that and react that strongly to it? I mean, I'm taking some flak, but that's part of the game. I never 'got' the suspish of him last game, and was reading him the same, but that element wasn't there.

I am going to go back and reread Falcon. If I have time, I might reread his LGM to contrast it.

Also linki @ you, getting votes isn't so thrilling after a while

[Dennis]

much differently

not ai for me

I have never seen someone with such resistance to being townread, lol.

In some capacity, I would call it the old norm because no townie would want to die (and thus lose).

In this case, I think lucy is being resistant to being readable in general, not necessarily not being townread.

That's a good point about lucy, she did state that she wants her game to be different every game. @Dennis thoughts on this?

I still have to go look back at falcon like I said last night. Lots of time still.

Just want to add, this day 1 is hugely different from last game, if just for the fact that there is so much less substantive discussion.

This is clearly you trying to get me re-engaged. I have told you, I just have less to comment on. I am still engaged, I assure you. I am godawful at starting conversations but if someone gets me going, that's when I start really going in.

But, to answer your question, I have only played 1 game with Lucy, and she was mafia. But never approaching 2 games the same makes sense, and her reluctance to be read is a good thing IMO. It was annoying being immediately town read by everybody in LGM, because it kinda took away the thrill of 'Ooh someone's voting me!' because I got like 4 votes in total. So, I agree with her on not wanting to be readable, if not for anything else for the thrill of it.

Oh, sweetheart, it pains me to say I think it's a little more than me prodding you to talk.

Well you aren't allowed to suspect me, that's friendly fire.

[S~V~S]

...and there's dennis lol. If I haven't mentioned it before, I really miss linki.

OMG yes, I miss it so much.

[Dennis]

Also I was asleep until noon, which was an hour ago for anyone who isn't EST so there's that as a weak excuse for why I wasn't posting.

[Dennis]

@Dennis seems a lot less engaged this game than last. He came out of the gate playing last game, his first. I don't see any reason he'd be less active this game. Whare you at, wild dennis?

Things last game started way faster and I don't know how to really get things rolling.

Last game Golden pulled in town core fast plus we had a tunnel to discuss (Sean vs me) very early. Here we had slot of baked goods and warm fuzzy fluff. Fluffy games are warm and cheery, but can be slow starters until someone is actually eliminated.

I am trying to sort falcon v Wilgy. Do you have an opinion on that?

I think they're both town. Falcon feels the same as last game, not on topic until something interesting happens to him, then focusing up. Wilgy is just INCREDIBLY on topic. Most of his fluff posts are his ongoing hi train with Marmot. Out of these two, I say Falcon is more likely to be bad because Falcon's defense of 'You shouldn't read my slot this way' is weird. Your slot is read different each game because you have a different role each game, right? Or am I misinterpreting 'slot'.

Yeah, I agree, how does someone expect someone else to know that and react that strongly to it? I mean, I'm taking some flak, but that's part of the game. I never 'got' the suspish of him last game, and was reading him the same, but that element wasn't there.

I am going to go back and reread Falcon. If I have time, I might reread his LGM to contrast it.

Also linki @ you, getting votes isn't so thrilling after a while

Well, I was suspicious of him, actually on the last day I would have voted him I hadn't realized that Golden checked him. Now, he feels the same, which I would've found suspicious but now I know it's just his way of playing.

[Dennis]

@S~V~S What do you think of Kate thus far?