Secret Playerlist - ENDGAME

[Seanzie]

@Inawordyes @sprityo move your votes plz.

To where?

I like Porscha, but like... almost everywhere is better than Ilario.

Oh, I already moved off Ilario

Oh...


Where'd you move to?

[Inawordyes]

Also, sidenote, but I’m feeling very lightheaded this morning, stayed home from work, so I may be in and out sporadically for a couple hours while I deal with that

I moved to Schia, it’s maybe halfway through the last page?

[DeeZees]

sheep seanzie

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

[Seanzie]

sheep seanzie

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

Give your own reason.

[DeeZees]

sheep seanzie

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

Give your own reason.

Trust in seanzie unfortunately

[Seanzie]

sheep seanzie

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

Give your own reason.

Trust in seanzie unfortunately

What if I said I was wolfsiding NPC?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

Falcon wagon is noice, but all of Nutella/Jack/Ilario have been assumed to be players today from what I can see, so if at least one is mechanically forced to be an NPC, then I once-again return to the “Schia is playing like they’re a player and they’re doing literally nothing to actually play the game and that makes them mafia” now that there’s more basis for them to be so

Pretty much everybody else who was minposting was actually providing content in their minimal messages and have since stepped it up. The only person who’s doing as little as Schia is Rico, but even Rico has been consistently themed in their posts, whereas Schia is just “let’s go the whole day without posting and then post my 5 posts at EoD”

Schia either gets purged or is first yeet post purge.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

Falcon wagon is noice, but all of Nutella/Jack/Ilario have been assumed to be players today from what I can see, so if at least one is mechanically forced to be an NPC, then I once-again return to the “Schia is playing like they’re a player and they’re doing literally nothing to actually play the game and that makes them mafia” now that there’s more basis for them to be so

Pretty much everybody else who was minposting was actually providing content in their minimal messages and have since stepped it up. The only person who’s doing as little as Schia is Rico, but even Rico has been consistently themed in their posts, whereas Schia is just “let’s go the whole day without posting and then post my 5 posts at EoD”

Schia either gets purged or is first yeet post purge.

Agreed. if @Schiavetto does not play today, they are turbo'd post-purge if they're still alive.

[Seanzie]

I'm done grading!

*cracks open a beer at 10am local time*

[falcon45ca]

santy was shielding jack and hard pushing falcon

seanzie was shielding falcon and pushing jack/santy

santy died over seanzie

ergo: jack probably town, kill falcon?

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

No, Maf falcon wouldn't have killed either of them.


Plus, jack was pushing me harder than Santy, and still is today, so this logic doesn't even work within this theory.


Why is that?

Jack didn't push Vivax.

Does that make him towny or wolfy?



I'll say this, from what I've seen? Jack's reads are pretty static, and don't seem to move much.



That's wolfy IMO.



Also, under the assumption I'm Maf and take out loud voices against my slot, why santy over more vocal/persistent Jack? Santy was first sheeping Jack's read on me IIRC

It makes him less likely to die by NK, refuting your rebuttal to Hally.

I don't agree with that assumption.

You don't have to, it's what implied from Hally's theory that I took out a loud voice against me (santy), and kept a shield voice (you) alive.



Vivax isn't even mentioned in Hally's theorem, so I'm not even sure why that was brough into play?

[Seanzie]

santy was shielding jack and hard pushing falcon

seanzie was shielding falcon and pushing jack/santy

santy died over seanzie

ergo: jack probably town, kill falcon?

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

No, Maf falcon wouldn't have killed either of them.


Plus, jack was pushing me harder than Santy, and still is today, so this logic doesn't even work within this theory.


Why is that?

Jack didn't push Vivax.

Does that make him towny or wolfy?



I'll say this, from what I've seen? Jack's reads are pretty static, and don't seem to move much.



That's wolfy IMO.



Also, under the assumption I'm Maf and take out loud voices against my slot, why santy over more vocal/persistent Jack? Santy was first sheeping Jack's read on me IIRC

It makes him less likely to die by NK, refuting your rebuttal to Hally.

I don't agree with that assumption.

You don't have to, it's what implied from Hally's theory that I took out a loud voice against me (santy), and kept a shield voice (you) alive.



Vivax isn't even mentioned in Hally's theorem, so I'm not even sure why that was brough into play?

The Santy kill makes sense and makes more sense in a wolf!Falcon world. A Jack kill doesn't make sense. You saying something akin to "Why wasn't Jack killed if I'm mafia" holds little weight when a Jack kill doesn't make sense regardless of who is mafia.

[falcon45ca]

I don't see why the santy kill makes more sense if I'm wolf than town.



I am town. Am I particularly effective? Well, who knows...I mean, it's not like we have any the players from my votes flipped, so who's to say.



In a world where I'm Town (which is the world we are in), then how do you interpret the santy kill?

[falcon45ca]

Honestly, anybody pushing my slot BECAUSE of santy's NK is either wolf or wolfsiding IMO.

[falcon45ca]

I don't see why the santy kill makes more sense if I'm wolf than town.



I am town. Am I particularly effective? Well, who knows...I mean, it's not like we have any the players from my votes flipped, so who's to say.



In a world where I'm Town (which is the world we are in), then how do you interpret the santy kill?

Oh wait, I voted santy.



Disregard

[Seanzie]

I don't see why the santy kill makes more sense if I'm wolf than town.



I am town. Am I particularly effective? Well, who knows...I mean, it's not like we have any the players from my votes flipped, so who's to say.



In a world where I'm Town (which is the world we are in), then how do you interpret the santy kill?

The Santy kill makes sense regardless of who is mafia because they were widely townread and gained even more towncred after Vivax's flip. That's how I would interpret the Santy kill in town!Falcon world.

I also looked good after a Vivax flip, so the fact that they killed Santy over me is likely for one or more of the following reasons:

1.) Falcon is wolf - I protected Falcon, Santy pushed Falcon.

2.) Wolves aren't sure about my claim or if I am even a player. Good. Let them wifom.

3.) Santy has been a pain in their arses for longer than I have - this also kind of points to "Falcon is wolf" since Santy's next suspect after Vivax is Falcon, but maybe I should look through Santy and see who they were bothering earlier in the game.

4.) Seanzie is a wolf and snowing y'all.

[Seanzie]

*pokes thread with a stick*

[Seanzie]

I really see no reason why town!@Porscha has been ignoring me.

[DrWilgy]

Sean did you tell the thread to get Porscha?

[Seanzie]

Sean did you tell the thread to get Porscha?

Probably.

[DrWilgy]

anyone got a read on dz?

Likely town

Hot damn is this an actual read out of Pyxxy? It's a Wilgmus miracle.

[falcon45ca]

I don't see why the santy kill makes more sense if I'm wolf than town.



I am town. Am I particularly effective? Well, who knows...I mean, it's not like we have any the players from my votes flipped, so who's to say.



In a world where I'm Town (which is the world we are in), then how do you interpret the santy kill?

The Santy kill makes sense regardless of who is mafia because they were widely townread and gained even more towncred after Vivax's flip. That's how I would interpret the Santy kill in town!Falcon world.

I also looked good after a Vivax flip, so the fact that they killed Santy over me is likely for one or more of the following reasons:

1.) Falcon is wolf - I protected Falcon, Santy pushed Falcon.

2.) Wolves aren't sure about my claim or if I am even a player. Good. Let them wifom.

3.) Santy has been a pain in their arses for longer than I have - this also kind of points to "Falcon is wolf" since Santy's next suspect after Vivax is Falcon, but maybe I should look through Santy and see who they were bothering earlier in the game.

4.) Seanzie is a wolf and snowing y'all.

Since I am town, #2 & #4 seem equally likely at this point




And before you say "But Vivax, my town cred!"...well, I think you know my opinion about wolves & their teammate's

[DrWilgy]

anyone got a read on dz?

Likely town

can you remind me who you wolf read?

Ilario and Pyxxy are pretty solid wolf reads.

I need to ISO Neon and gauge how I feel following Vivax's flip but haven't gotten there yet.

Your EoD and response following was off, but I think I still tr you. I think you are in a place where "If I'm wrong about everything else" it's Hally.

[Seanzie]

I don't see why the santy kill makes more sense if I'm wolf than town.



I am town. Am I particularly effective? Well, who knows...I mean, it's not like we have any the players from my votes flipped, so who's to say.



In a world where I'm Town (which is the world we are in), then how do you interpret the santy kill?

The Santy kill makes sense regardless of who is mafia because they were widely townread and gained even more towncred after Vivax's flip. That's how I would interpret the Santy kill in town!Falcon world.

I also looked good after a Vivax flip, so the fact that they killed Santy over me is likely for one or more of the following reasons:

1.) Falcon is wolf - I protected Falcon, Santy pushed Falcon.

2.) Wolves aren't sure about my claim or if I am even a player. Good. Let them wifom.

3.) Santy has been a pain in their arses for longer than I have - this also kind of points to "Falcon is wolf" since Santy's next suspect after Vivax is Falcon, but maybe I should look through Santy and see who they were bothering earlier in the game.

4.) Seanzie is a wolf and snowing y'all.

Since I am town, #2 & #4 seem equally likely at this point




And before you say "But Vivax, my town cred!"...well, I think you know my opinion about wolves & their teammate's

But I've only been CC'd once.

[Seanzie]

anyone got a read on dz?

Likely town

can you remind me who you wolf read?

Ilario and Pyxxy are pretty solid wolf reads.

I need to ISO Neon and gauge how I feel following Vivax's flip but haven't gotten there yet.

Your EoD and response following was off, but I think I still tr you. I think you are in a place where "If I'm wrong about everything else" it's Hally.

Ilario is not wolf.

[falcon45ca]

I don't see why the santy kill makes more sense if I'm wolf than town.



I am town. Am I particularly effective? Well, who knows...I mean, it's not like we have any the players from my votes flipped, so who's to say.



In a world where I'm Town (which is the world we are in), then how do you interpret the santy kill?

The Santy kill makes sense regardless of who is mafia because they were widely townread and gained even more towncred after Vivax's flip. That's how I would interpret the Santy kill in town!Falcon world.

I also looked good after a Vivax flip, so the fact that they killed Santy over me is likely for one or more of the following reasons:

1.) Falcon is wolf - I protected Falcon, Santy pushed Falcon.

2.) Wolves aren't sure about my claim or if I am even a player. Good. Let them wifom.

3.) Santy has been a pain in their arses for longer than I have - this also kind of points to "Falcon is wolf" since Santy's next suspect after Vivax is Falcon, but maybe I should look through Santy and see who they were bothering earlier in the game.

4.) Seanzie is a wolf and snowing y'all.

Since I am town, #2 & #4 seem equally likely at this point




And before you say "But Vivax, my town cred!"...well, I think you know my opinion about wolves & their teammate's

But I've only been CC'd once.

Oh, well then you must be Maf, 100%

[Seanzie]

I don't see why the santy kill makes more sense if I'm wolf than town.



I am town. Am I particularly effective? Well, who knows...I mean, it's not like we have any the players from my votes flipped, so who's to say.



In a world where I'm Town (which is the world we are in), then how do you interpret the santy kill?

The Santy kill makes sense regardless of who is mafia because they were widely townread and gained even more towncred after Vivax's flip. That's how I would interpret the Santy kill in town!Falcon world.

I also looked good after a Vivax flip, so the fact that they killed Santy over me is likely for one or more of the following reasons:

1.) Falcon is wolf - I protected Falcon, Santy pushed Falcon.

2.) Wolves aren't sure about my claim or if I am even a player. Good. Let them wifom.

3.) Santy has been a pain in their arses for longer than I have - this also kind of points to "Falcon is wolf" since Santy's next suspect after Vivax is Falcon, but maybe I should look through Santy and see who they were bothering earlier in the game.

4.) Seanzie is a wolf and snowing y'all.

Since I am town, #2 & #4 seem equally likely at this point




And before you say "But Vivax, my town cred!"...well, I think you know my opinion about wolves & their teammate's

But I've only been CC'd once.

Oh, well then you must be Maf, 100%

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

anyone got a read on dz?

Likely town

can you remind me who you wolf read?

Ilario and Pyxxy are pretty solid wolf reads.

I need to ISO Neon and gauge how I feel following Vivax's flip but haven't gotten there yet.

Your EoD and response following was off, but I think I still tr you. I think you are in a place where "If I'm wrong about everything else" it's Hally.

Ilario is not wolf.

Why?



Solving is a big part of ilario's town & wolf game...since that's not really happening, are you saying they're NPC?

[DrWilgy]

anyone got a read on dz?

Likely town

can you remind me who you wolf read?

Ilario and Pyxxy are pretty solid wolf reads.

I need to ISO Neon and gauge how I feel following Vivax's flip but haven't gotten there yet.

Your EoD and response following was off, but I think I still tr you. I think you are in a place where "If I'm wrong about everything else" it's Hally.

Ilario is not wolf.

Yeah just got to the claim shenanigans. I agree.

[falcon45ca]

I don't see why the santy kill makes more sense if I'm wolf than town.



I am town. Am I particularly effective? Well, who knows...I mean, it's not like we have any the players from my votes flipped, so who's to say.



In a world where I'm Town (which is the world we are in), then how do you interpret the santy kill?

The Santy kill makes sense regardless of who is mafia because they were widely townread and gained even more towncred after Vivax's flip. That's how I would interpret the Santy kill in town!Falcon world.

I also looked good after a Vivax flip, so the fact that they killed Santy over me is likely for one or more of the following reasons:

1.) Falcon is wolf - I protected Falcon, Santy pushed Falcon.

2.) Wolves aren't sure about my claim or if I am even a player. Good. Let them wifom.

3.) Santy has been a pain in their arses for longer than I have - this also kind of points to "Falcon is wolf" since Santy's next suspect after Vivax is Falcon, but maybe I should look through Santy and see who they were bothering earlier in the game.

4.) Seanzie is a wolf and snowing y'all.

Since I am town, #2 & #4 seem equally likely at this point




And before you say "But Vivax, my town cred!"...well, I think you know my opinion about wolves & their teammate's

But I've only been CC'd once.

Oh, well then you must be Maf, 100%

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

This is too cheeky by half...did you actually crack a beer?

[DrWilgy]

I’m town deleter btw

Don’t have strong reads

But Would kill nutella Iawy today gl

So, trying to understand. You targeted Nutella and Iawy and they weren't deleted? Has someone been removed by your delete?

[Seanzie]

I don't see why the santy kill makes more sense if I'm wolf than town.



I am town. Am I particularly effective? Well, who knows...I mean, it's not like we have any the players from my votes flipped, so who's to say.



In a world where I'm Town (which is the world we are in), then how do you interpret the santy kill?

The Santy kill makes sense regardless of who is mafia because they were widely townread and gained even more towncred after Vivax's flip. That's how I would interpret the Santy kill in town!Falcon world.

I also looked good after a Vivax flip, so the fact that they killed Santy over me is likely for one or more of the following reasons:

1.) Falcon is wolf - I protected Falcon, Santy pushed Falcon.

2.) Wolves aren't sure about my claim or if I am even a player. Good. Let them wifom.

3.) Santy has been a pain in their arses for longer than I have - this also kind of points to "Falcon is wolf" since Santy's next suspect after Vivax is Falcon, but maybe I should look through Santy and see who they were bothering earlier in the game.

4.) Seanzie is a wolf and snowing y'all.

Since I am town, #2 & #4 seem equally likely at this point




And before you say "But Vivax, my town cred!"...well, I think you know my opinion about wolves & their teammate's

But I've only been CC'd once.

Oh, well then you must be Maf, 100%

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

This is too cheeky by half...did you actually crack a beer?

Yes.

[Seanzie]

I’m town deleter btw

Don’t have strong reads

But Would kill nutella Iawy today gl

So, trying to understand. You targeted Nutella and Iawy and they weren't deleted? Has someone been removed by your delete?

Ilario claimed they did not use their action at all.

[falcon45ca]

It's less cheeky now, I welcome any and all beer-related insolence

[DrWilgy]

I’d swap Pxxy and Nanook and say that’s close enough.

Locktown: Jack, Seanzie, Illario, Michelle, Wilgy
Maybe town: Hally, IAWY, Porscha, Neon
Idk: Nutella, Deezee
Probable wolves: Pxxy, Falcon

idk i feel like nanook would ~always play if mac invited him

but he is playing like an NPC tbh

i’ve honestly been confused at how much he’s been town read

Forgot Nook was in the game tbh. 10/3 out of 19 counted players still around. 6 npcs left.

Claimed npc Sprityo? Is that it? NPC likes in Manny, Nook, Schia, Rico? Missing one. Someone chime in and advise.

[Seanzie]

I’d swap Pxxy and Nanook and say that’s close enough.

Locktown: Jack, Seanzie, Illario, Michelle, Wilgy
Maybe town: Hally, IAWY, Porscha, Neon
Idk: Nutella, Deezee
Probable wolves: Pxxy, Falcon

idk i feel like nanook would ~always play if mac invited him

but he is playing like an NPC tbh

i’ve honestly been confused at how much he’s been town read

Forgot Nook was in the game tbh. 10/3 out of 19 counted players still around. 6 npcs left.

Claimed npc Sprityo? Is that it? NPC likes in Manny, Nook, Schia, Rico? Missing one. Someone chime in and advise.

I advise you to worry more about who is wolf than about who is NPC.

NPCs will be gone soon. Just chop wolves.

[DrWilgy]

i remember thinking she was really towny when the lily stuff was happening but thats pretty distant and shes really fallen off

This feels accurate. I had Porscha as a solid TR for the interactions with Ran, I didn't think that W Porscha would be comfortable posting like they did. Porscha dipping feels like it takes away from that abit.

[DrWilgy]

I’d swap Pxxy and Nanook and say that’s close enough.

Locktown: Jack, Seanzie, Illario, Michelle, Wilgy
Maybe town: Hally, IAWY, Porscha, Neon
Idk: Nutella, Deezee
Probable wolves: Pxxy, Falcon

idk i feel like nanook would ~always play if mac invited him

but he is playing like an NPC tbh

i’ve honestly been confused at how much he’s been town read

Forgot Nook was in the game tbh. 10/3 out of 19 counted players still around. 6 npcs left.

Claimed npc Sprityo? Is that it? NPC likes in Manny, Nook, Schia, Rico? Missing one. Someone chime in and advise.

I advise you to worry more about who is wolf than about who is NPC.

NPCs will be gone soon. Just chop wolves.

I believe I advised this last cycle, but I'm afraid our reliance on the purge is setting us up for a really spooky endgame.

I.e. what if Sprit, Nook and Schia are all still around post purge? We chainyeet blind slots?

So while I agree, we should chop wolves, I think it's wise to recall wolves can be lurking and I think that the gamestate almost reflects this as the case.

[Seanzie]

I’d swap Pxxy and Nanook and say that’s close enough.

Locktown: Jack, Seanzie, Illario, Michelle, Wilgy
Maybe town: Hally, IAWY, Porscha, Neon
Idk: Nutella, Deezee
Probable wolves: Pxxy, Falcon

idk i feel like nanook would ~always play if mac invited him

but he is playing like an NPC tbh

i’ve honestly been confused at how much he’s been town read

Forgot Nook was in the game tbh. 10/3 out of 19 counted players still around. 6 npcs left.

Claimed npc Sprityo? Is that it? NPC likes in Manny, Nook, Schia, Rico? Missing one. Someone chime in and advise.

I advise you to worry more about who is wolf than about who is NPC.

NPCs will be gone soon. Just chop wolves.

I believe I advised this last cycle, but I'm afraid our reliance on the purge is setting us up for a really spooky endgame.

I.e. what if Sprit, Nook and Schia are all still around post purge? We chainyeet blind slots?

So while I agree, we should chop wolves, I think it's wise to recall wolves can be lurking and I think that the gamestate almost reflects this as the case.

That's fine. Yeet people who are lurking then if you believe them to be wolves. That does not involve trying to find exactly who the NPCs are. I'm not saying "believe all NPC claims" or "don't sort through people who might look like an NPC", I'm saying yeet wolves.

[DrWilgy]

And perhaps this is because I still don't see wolves in Nutella and Falcon, but the thread does.

Neither of these suspicions read true to me. Nutella and Vivax are VERY unlikely W/W. Vivax would've needed to be open wolfing for the early game between those two slots to not be a town/npc not just being pocketed, I think. There's also a few Vivax posts that at least indicate that howling at the thread wasn't their game plan 100% of the time. I can get the quotes later.

Falcon is a gut read, but I'm becoming more confident I'm it as we progress.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

[nutella]

And perhaps this is because I still don't see wolves in Nutella and Falcon, but the thread does.

Neither of these suspicions read true to me. Nutella and Vivax are VERY unlikely W/W. Vivax would've needed to be open wolfing for the early game between those two slots to not be a town/npc not just being pocketed, I think. There's also a few Vivax posts that at least indicate that howling at the thread wasn't their game plan 100% of the time. I can get the quotes later.

Falcon is a gut read, but I'm becoming more confident I'm it as we progress.

can you elaborate at all on the falcon gut read? i'm still not really seeing much in his posts but occasionally i feel he has towny vibes, help me strengthen that if you're so confident


i think i may actually vote porscha bc she still hasn't acknowledged sean and her responses to neon were bleh and she's done nothing for days, i'm going back and forth a bit but think she may be more likely a hit than falcon atm


following along but trying to conserve post count a bit bc i went over yesterday and fear mac's wrath (honestly no idea if he cares anymore or if it really only mattered for the first couple days when there are a million people posting)

[DrWilgy]

I guess for example on Falcon. No shot W Falcon calls out Ilario the way they did before the claim.

Like, it wasn't a knee jerk reaction, nor was it Falcon just slank voting. They put a reason down and they'd be needing to lie if they were a wolf and the point was disputed. W Falcon I don't think puts themselves in that situation.

[DrWilgy]

Lol @nutella see above.

[nutella]

No shot W Falcon calls out Ilario the way they did before the claim.

what is this referring to?

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine



I'm used to seeing them solve more, let's get em'

This here is a very T Falcon post.

[DrWilgy]

If we were seeing W Falcon, the Ilario vote wouldn't have had the rational under it.

[nutella]

I don't really get why that isn't easily fakeable but you clearly have more experience with falcon than I do so ok

[DrWilgy]

idk dude, I think I said this prior, but for anyone else I'd agree with you. It's a strictly Falcon thing that results in my tr.

Falcon didn't avoid my interactions earlier and also gave enough footing for someone to argue against the Ilario vote. W Falcon doesn't do that.

[Seanzie]

I don't really get why that isn't easily fakeable but you clearly have more experience with falcon than I do so ok

I'd also like to say that while I'm not going to shield Falcon today, I'm also not voting them (but I might change my mind). Right now, I still haven't gotten to a confident townread, but I'd still put them more than 65% likely to be town here (which I know is technically below rand, but still, I wouldn't call it a scum read, just not a super powerful townread).