The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm**

I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:57 pm**

If I vote for someone on Jack's list, it won't be because their name was on Jack's list. If I vote for someone not on Jack's list, it won't be because they weren't on Jack's list.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:08 pm**

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:57 pm If I vote for someone on Jack's list, it won't be because their name was on Jack's list. If I vote for someone not on Jack's list, it won't be because they weren't on Jack's list.

Same.

For what it's worth, here's a list of players I'm considering sending my point to:
Jack
G-Man
Long Con
Speedchuck
Dyslexicon
Timmer

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm**

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.

Why do you think my list is arbitrary?

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:20 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:55 pm I was trying to get us to decide on a list by democracy.

Now we are all forced to follow jack's list. Assuming this coordination thing still has a chance to work.

I feel like we were already forced by the clock.

Democracy is fine for the next round of evo points.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:21 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.
Why do you think my list is arbitrary?

Because you decided it on your own. That's the definition or arbitrary.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:22 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.
Why do you think my list is arbitrary?
Because you decided it on your own. That's the definition or arbitrary.

Arbitrary - Based on randomness or personal whim.

My list is not arbitrary.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:28 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.
Why do you think my list is arbitrary?

It's not so much your list that is arbitrary. Rather, the adoption of your list by all would would make it arbitrary. Your list as you intend it (a list of people you're inclined to trust based on past experience) is meaningless to me because I'm not inclined to trust anyone at the start of the game. It's not a case of me coming at you. I'm just being picky.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:55 pm**

Dizzy seems to be on everyone's lists so I voted for him.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:58 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:22 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.
Why do you think my list is arbitrary?
Because you decided it on your own. That's the definition or arbitrary.
Arbitrary - Based on randomness or personal whim.

My list is not arbitrary.

This is the one I found.

subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion:

If you decided by yourself and not by a collective process, it's arbitrary. No matter how rational you claim your method is.

Besides, half the people in your list haven't even posted so I'm skeptical about the rationality of it too.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:08 pm**

I will not argue about the evolution thing. I already picked.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:18 pm**

So we have to send in our evolutions in the next hour and forty minutes, yes?

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:20 pm**

All PMS must be in by 8pm EST. That's in exactly one hour and forty minutes.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:22 pm**

So I don't get the purpose of putting 6 names down. From what I can read in the OP it's just one person you vote for. But my list is as follows:

Speedchuck - because we're CPI buddies
Dom - because I'm afraid of Dom. Always.
Jack - because I "like" jack as a person
DrWigly - because he's a doctor
LC - because I like LC as a person
Mac - because I haven't seen Mac in forever it feels like

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:43 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:22 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.
Why do you think my list is arbitrary?
Because you decided it on your own. That's the definition or arbitrary.
Arbitrary - Based on randomness or personal whim.

My list is not arbitrary.
This is the one I found.

subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion:

If you decided by yourself and not by a collective process, it's arbitrary. No matter how rational you claim your method is.

Besides, half the people in your list haven't even posted so I'm skeptical about the rationality of it too.

I think the whole package is arbitrary only if we all agree to run with his list because it was the first batch of names put out there. But we didn't do that. At least some of us.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:56 pm**

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:13 pm**

Simon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:37 pm
Evolution Points
Each participant will vote by PM to Simon and Epignosis during Night 0 and each Night after that for the person he or she wants to help evolve. Each vote awards someone with an evolution point.

When someone has three total evolution points, he or she evolves.

When someone has six total evolution points, he or she evolves again.

No one can evolve twice in the same Night. Points above the first evolution won't be applied until the next Night.

You may not vote for yourself.

I hope no one was confused by the incorrect wording. Evolution votes should be coming in during Day 0- meaning the next 45 minutes or so. There is no Night 0. We were doing too much at once and flubbed the wording.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:44 pm**

I have sent mine.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:02 pm**

Tink wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:08 pm I will not argue about the evolution thing. I already picked.

Ditto. And I picked someone who is smart, a good thinker, and who I think is most definitely civ.

Yay Game!!!

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:03 pm**

Note: Due to the initial error and it being caught so late, we will continue to accept evolution points for twelve more hours (so 8am EST).

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:03 pm**

Tink wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:08 pm I will not argue about the evolution thing. I already picked.

Ditto. And I picked someone who is smart, a good thinker, and who I think is most definitely civ.

Yay Game!!!

Linki...and guess who caught the error. Me so smart.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:06 pm**

The votes are in! Who will evolve: The good guys or the bad guys? Who will be killed? The good guys or the bad guys? Stay tuned...

It is now Day 1. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:32 pm**

Wait, I thought we had till 8am?

Hi, just got my role PM and quickly caught up. If I can still evolve someone I will choose speedchuck!

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:35 pm**

I gave my point to Tony.

Coordinating beforehand is good. Forcing the mafia to admit who they picked or lie so they can't just give points to their teammates with zero risk is better.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:55 pm**

Neat. I will absolutely not voting for Dizzy. Love u fam.

Currently in the running for my point will be going to either DDL or JoH. You two fight to the death for my affection plz.

What does everyone think about ending day 1 in a tie?

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:10 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:55 pm Neat. I will absolutely not voting for Dizzy. Love u fam.

Currently in the running for my point will be going to either DDL or JoH. You two fight to the death for my affection plz.

What does everyone think about ending day 1 in a tie?

In Epi games, ties result in no lynch. I'm not sure if Simon is a chip off the old block like that. Are you proposing a tie just to see what happens since it's not spelled out in the rules or to try to have a lynchless day?

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:11 pm**

I suppose the whole cordination thing has been flushed down the toilet, since half of the voters did not say who they were voting for.

Did anyone evolve? Or were told they got points (are we even allowed to reveal those things)?

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:12 pm**

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:55 pm Neat. I will absolutely not voting for Dizzy. Love u fam.

Currently in the running for my point will be going to either DDL or JoH. You two fight to the death for my affection plz.

What does everyone think about ending day 1 in a tie?
In Epi games, ties result in no lynch. I'm not sure if Simon is a chip off the old block like that. Are you proposing a tie just to see what happens since it's not spelled out in the rules or to try to have a lynchless day?

Really? I've played a bunch of Epi games and never seen a no lynch.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:22 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:11 pm I suppose the whole cordination thing has been flushed down the toilet, since half of the voters did not say who they were voting for.

Did anyone evolve? Or were told they got points (are we even allowed to reveal those things)?

I think the voting is still open. Perhaps notifications are being withheld until after the deadline.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:12 pm
Really? I've played a bunch of Epi games and never seen a no lynch.

I don't recall always seeing that declared in Epi games but I know that he advised me of such a policy's merits when I first got back in the hosting game. Unless game mechanics make the issue moot, I believe he prefers it that way. Again though, this is Simon's game, so

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:31 pm**

Isn't this the second round of voting?

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:36 pm**

I mean nothing is stopping us from coordinating this phase tbh but it seems half the players are not interested on it.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:39 pm**

We are accepting votes until 8am EST tomorrow because of poor wording in one of the posts. Future evolution votes will occur during Night phases.

Evolved Pokemon will not be allowed to say they have evolved, as that falls under the no role outing / info dumping rules.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:39 pm**

Also, please send all PMs to Simon and Epignosis.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:01 pm**

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:55 pm Neat. I will absolutely not voting for Dizzy. Love u fam.

Currently in the running for my point will be going to either DDL or JoH. You two fight to the death for my affection plz.

What does everyone think about ending day 1 in a tie?
In Epi games, ties result in no lynch. I'm not sure if Simon is a chip off the old block like that. Are you proposing a tie just to see what happens since it's not spelled out in the rules or to try to have a lynchless day?

If I know Simon, ties will end in a battle to the death.

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:39 pm**

@DDL

Do YOU think coordination is a good idea?

Posted: **Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:59 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:39 pm We are accepting votes until 8am EST tomorrow because of poor wording in one of the posts. Future evolution votes will occur during Night phases.

Cool. We might be able to coordinate.

And by we I mean you guys. Tell me who to vote for by tomorrow, and I'll try to get it in.

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:22 am**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:39 pm We are accepting votes until 8am EST tomorrow because of poor wording in one of the posts. Future evolution votes will occur during Night phases.
Cool. We might be able to coordinate.

And by we I mean you guys. Tell me who to vote for by tomorrow, and I'll try to get it in.

Didn't you vote already?

I voted after Epi said we had more time, but now people are talking about coordinating, even though it seems most of us have voted already.

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:39 am**

Wait, Day 0 ended? I didn't vote, I didn't realize the deadline, apparently.

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:23 am**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:01 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:55 pm Neat. I will absolutely not voting for Dizzy. Love u fam.

Currently in the running for my point will be going to either DDL or JoH. You two fight to the death for my affection plz.

What does everyone think about ending day 1 in a tie?
In Epi games, ties result in no lynch. I'm not sure if Simon is a chip off the old block like that. Are you proposing a tie just to see what happens since it's not spelled out in the rules or to try to have a lynchless day?
If I know Simon, ties will end in a battle to the death.

Lol, perhaps that's where type advantage plays into effect.

Eloh, who are you giving your evo point to?

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:54 am**

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:39 am Wait, Day 0 ended? I didn't vote, I didn't realize the deadline, apparently.

I think you are good for 6 more hours.

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:55 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:59 pm
This is a good idea.

I submit the pool as: Fred, Tony, LC, Nutella, Speed.

Why not me, the only one you've expressed to think is town?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:26 pmI'm not fine with putting such a strategy together based solely on one person's preferences. If Jack wants a list, let's all submit five or six names and select the ones that appear the most. If the plan can indeed thumb the scale in our favor, then it's too important to be nonchalant about picking names.

Yeah, it shouldn't be because of one person's preference, it should be more consensus. All in all, coordinating D0 votes in a reasonable way wasn't going to happen with so little time and many players not showing up. We could do it N1.

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:59 am**

If I still can give evo points I'm currently considering:
Nut
Timmer
DDL
DF

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:26 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:39 pm @DDL

Do YOU think coordination is a good idea?

Yes

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:23 am**

Well, that's done. I guess, if we did well, some people will have abilities this D1. That's cool.

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:31 am**

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:22 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:39 pm We are accepting votes until 8am EST tomorrow because of poor wording in one of the posts. Future evolution votes will occur during Night phases.
Cool. We might be able to coordinate.

And by we I mean you guys. Tell me who to vote for by tomorrow, and I'll try to get it in.
Didn't you vote already?

I voted after Epi said we had more time, but now people are talking about coordinating, even though it seems most of us have voted already.

Speedchuck voted for me, and I would be absolutely fine with coordinating myself into an evolution. I am a) a role that can evolve, and b) a Civ role. And c) my character is one that I designed all thee levels of evolution onto a Pokemon playmat for my son.

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:34 am**

I'm not sure how much time I will have this evening before the deadline but I will re-read the thread over lunch and see if anything jumps out at me.

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:42 am**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:59 pm
This is a good idea.

I submit the pool as: Fred, Tony, LC, Nutella, Speed.
Why not me, the only one you've expressed to think is town?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:26 pmI'm not fine with putting such a strategy together based solely on one person's preferences. If Jack wants a list, let's all submit five or six names and select the ones that appear the most. If the plan can indeed thumb the scale in our favor, then it's too important to be nonchalant about picking names.
Yeah, it shouldn't be because of one person's preference, it should be more consensus. All in all, coordinating D0 votes in a reasonable way wasn't going to happen with so little time and many players not showing up. We could do it N1.

Cause you told me you didn't want points.

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:56 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:26 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:39 pm @DDL

Do YOU think coordination is a good idea?
Yes

Yeah?

Cause you keep arguing against it. This is why I think you are bad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:08 am @Dizzy

From experience, whatever night powers mafia gets from evolution will probably pale in comparison to the advantage of knowing what the town power roles are and killing them before they can act. So Id rather keep the votes secret.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:13 am Hmm you make a good point, that not doing the public votes will mean we have less powers altogether.

Now Im not sure.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:29 am Well if we can get universal coordination you are right. That gives us a small poll of scum if they choose to betray us.

I will join if such a coordination happens. Right now Im skeptical about it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:10 pm Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

^This is the opposite of coordination this close to the deadline.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:32 pm Oh nvm there are already people saying "fuck consensus" and sending their votes.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:11 pm I suppose the whole cordination thing has been flushed down the toilet, since half of the voters did not say who they were voting for.

Did anyone evolve? Or were told they got points (are we even allowed to reveal those things)?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:36 pm I mean nothing is stopping us from coordinating this phase tbh but it seems half the players are not interested on it.

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:29 am**

JoH, at what point do you accept something that's half assed? What percent completion?

Posted: **Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:51 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:29 am JoH, at what point do you accept something that's half assed? What percent completion?

Can you be more specific?

Accept that it sucks? That it's good enough?

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