The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:49 pm I'm yellow now? Cool.

It says here you're out host.

I never win the games a host.

I say we lynch Quin now so I don't have room to tunnel on him later.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:29 pm I say we lynch Quin now so I don't have room to tunnel on him later.

mmm how about not

Sloonei and Quin are on my 'do not lynch D1' list for this game. I have chosen.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:29 pm I say we lynch Quin now so I don't have room to tunnel on him later.

mmm how about not

Sloonei and Quin are on my 'do not lynch D1' list for this game. I have chosen.

what if I want to lynch Quin?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:29 pm I say we lynch Quin now so I don't have room to tunnel on him later.

mmm how about not

Sloonei and Quin are on my 'do not lynch D1' list for this game. I have chosen.

what if I want to lynch Quin?

Uh. Doesn't change the list, but it does make things more complicated. Are you asking who I'd side with at this point in time?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:29 pm I say we lynch Quin now so I don't have room to tunnel on him later.

mmm how about not

Sloonei and Quin are on my 'do not lynch D1' list for this game. I have chosen.

what if I want to lynch Quin?

Uh. Doesn't change the list, but it does make things more complicated. Are you asking who I'd side with at this point in time?

No, you'd side with me because I'm uber convincing. That's not a question. I'm saying I can see an argument for Quin being bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:29 pm I say we lynch Quin now so I don't have room to tunnel on him later.

mmm how about not

Sloonei and Quin are on my 'do not lynch D1' list for this game. I have chosen.

what if I want to lynch Quin?

Uh. Doesn't change the list, but it does make things more complicated. Are you asking who I'd side with at this point in time?

No, you'd side with me because I'm uber convincing. That's not a question. I'm saying I can see an argument for Quin being bad.

Apparently is IS a question, or you would not have gotten the answer wrong.

Still on my list, though.

I haven't stated my case yet, your honor.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:08 pm

Dave wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:02 pm although i m new to format and lack knowledge of mortal kombat i voted for outworld too as it makes sense as explained by jay, given current scum reads i dont have one i see dat people sus quin but i have to read more from him to give a verdict

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:28 am I can't vote anymore after watching the vote results

Welcome, you two! What can you tell us about your experiences playing mafia and your knowledge of each other, if you have any?

Hello there ! I've been playing Mafia for quite a while on other forums. Love it. Not used the this kind of votes though, on events that impact the game.

Dragon D. Luffy, posted a link about this game on another forum where Mafia is played. That's what brought me here.

About Dave, I'm not sure it's the Dave I know lol. If it's him, we've played a few Mafia games together. He's a cool dude

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:08 pm

Dave wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:02 pm although i m new to format and lack knowledge of mortal kombat i voted for outworld too as it makes sense as explained by jay, given current scum reads i dont have one i see dat people sus quin but i have to read more from him to give a verdict

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:28 am I can't vote anymore after watching the vote results

Welcome, you two! What can you tell us about your experiences playing mafia and your knowledge of each other, if you have any?

Hello there ! I've been playing Mafia for quite a while on other forums. Love it. Not used the this kind of votes though, on events that impact the game.

Dragon D. Luffy, posted a link about this game on another forum where Mafia is played. That's what brought me here.

About Dave, I'm not sure it's the Dave I know lol. If it's him, we've played a few Mafia games together. He's a cool dude

I'm pretty sure that's the Dave you know. DDL posted here about inviting the two of you to play this game.

Do you have any questions so far, [mention]novaselinenever[/mention]

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:57 pm Hello there ! I've been playing Mafia for quite a while on other forums. Love it. Not used the this kind of votes though, on events that impact the game.

Dragon D. Luffy, posted a link about this game on another forum where Mafia is played. That's what brought me here.

About Dave, I'm not sure it's the Dave I know lol. If it's him, we've played a few Mafia games together. He's a cool dude

Yeah, a lot of the hosts here like to experiment. Just roll with it. It's the same game underneath it all.
Though make sure you don't talk about your own role. That rule tripped me up when I first came here. Still does. Same to [mention]Dave[/mention].

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] Floor's yours. I don't expect a long case. We're on page 3.

I expect a thoroughly thought out and explained case placed neatly into a professional three-ring binder with tabs and color-coded highlighting.

"I could see an argument for Quin being bad because...

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:35 am Kyle is town because "let's go" is the thing he said when his confidence surged post-mafioso lynch as a civilian.

Sloonei is town because he's already trying to facilitate true to form.

Quin is mafia because he called Kyle's question "good" without clarifying why he cared about the question or why it moved him.

good opening question because it could lead to information that might favour our poll choices today. seemed obvious.

I don't know why Kyle's opening question merits a town read here. I liked the initial stance from Quin to label the post as a good look for Kyle, but this explanation didn't register on the same level with me. It was an easy question to ask, and not one that I'd give a player too much credit for coming up with. Quin doubling down on it here gives me the heebie jeebies.
Then follows his exchange with Jay wherein he opts not to give serious consideration to Jay's point of view because it's Day 0: Quin said this:

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:48 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:46 am Do you believe that?

Yes.

This exchange ends here on my end. I am already getting too close to my post count cap. Others can judge as they may.

Show me where I indicate not caring about your alignment.

In response, I point to everything contained in the spoiler above. There's no direct indication of "not caring about" Jay's alignment, but there also is no evidence of an attempt to read Jay in this situation, thus the appearance of not caring about his alignment. His immediate response to Jay is to brush him off and say "I don't think you actually care about this" and declare this action to be unreadable. As a defense, I think it reads as false confidence. As a response to Jay, I think it reads as uncritical. Neither of these are qualities I would assign to town Quin.

It's Day 0 and I'm already compiling a thorough ISO case on a player.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:03 pm Do you have any questions so far, @novaselinenever

Not really but thanks though.

I like your chocobo avatar, Speed.

That's an interesting way of looking at it.

I still think Quin is town. I don't think any of this is out of character for Quin. I think Quin trying to get a handle on a JJJ read on day 0 would be more suspicious. I think Quin is contributing in his own way, generating content, and making reads as he sees them.

Your 'double-down' call is unnecessary. Was he supposed to ignore the accusation?

Actually, that idea explains all of this. Quin has not been ignoring the accusations against him. He pushes back to get more responses, calling attention to himself. I believe he is doing this to generate early (relevant) content, which is hard to do in a mafia game. I do not think that responding to every accusation and calling attention to yourself is (ideally) mafia play.

This, to me, is IDGAF Quin. And I read it town.

So Slooni's starting the game in a nice pinkish shade of red from me

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:56 pm So Slooni's starting the game in a nice pinkish shade of red from me

Explain

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 pm I like your chocobo avatar, Speed.

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. Slight correction on what it is, though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:56 pm So Slooni's starting the game in a nice pinkish shade of red from me

Explain

Well at first i was thinking a burnt orange, but i feel like a more rosey and inviting red really fit you more.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:56 pm So Slooni's starting the game in a nice pinkish shade of red from me

Explain

Well at first i was thinking a burnt orange, but i feel like a more rosey and inviting red really fit you more.

What do you this is my alignment and why?

EBWOP: what do you THINK is my alignment?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 pm EBWOP: what do you THINK is my alignment?

probs indy tbh. i don't think you're last man standing, so probably the other one.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:01 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:56 pm So Slooni's starting the game in a nice pinkish shade of red from me

Explain

Well at first i was thinking a burnt orange, but i feel like a more rosey and inviting red really fit you more.

What do you this is my alignment and why?

Freud would be voting for you.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 pm EBWOP: what do you THINK is my alignment?

probs indy tbh. i don't think you're last man standing, so probably the other one.

What brought you to this conclusion roughly 15 hours into the game?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 pm EBWOP: what do you THINK is my alignment?

probs indy tbh. i don't think you're last man standing, so probably the other one.

It's Day 0 and we have one guy posting thorough case with multiple quotes and spoilers, and we have another guy suggesting that he reads him specifically as an independent. What a saucy start.

Why though, Made. Why?

Also, Sloonei is a lock civilian and I'm done sorting his alignment for the remainder of the game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:09 pm Also, Sloonei is a lock civilian and I'm done sorting his alignment for the remainder of the game.

And I was only willing to commit to D1.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:07 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 pm EBWOP: what do you THINK is my alignment?

probs indy tbh. i don't think you're last man standing, so probably the other one.

What brought you to this conclusion roughly 15 hours into the game?

ask kyle

Still think you're wrong about Quin, Sloonei. Still have you both on my no lynchy list.

I'm actually gonna take a look at Kylemii.

linki: uuuuuuuuuhhhhhh

jk, don't ask kyle, i don't think he knows yet.

linki- yo speedchunk does tho

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:18 am Quin do you consider yourself to be a primary suspect?

I do wonder what the point of this question was. Didn't get much out of the Kylemii read otherwise. Tone-wise he's meta town.

linki: I have no idea WTHF made is talking about.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] Was the sloon read your hot take?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:17 pm @JaggedJimmyJay Was the sloon read your hot take?

No. The juicy hot take is for later. *slaps speedchuck's greedy hands away from the cookie jar*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:09 pm Also, Sloonei is a lock civilian and I'm done sorting his alignment for the remainder of the game.

So's Jay. Watching you try to keep yourself within your self-imposed restriction is fun.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:12 pm Still think you're wrong about Quin, Sloonei. Still have you both on my no lynchy list.

I'm actually gonna take a look at Kylemii.

linki: uuuuuuuuuhhhhhh

I never said I believed in the case I laid out for Quin, just that it's an argument I can make. I'm undecided on Quin's alignment in this game.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:07 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 pm EBWOP: what do you THINK is my alignment?

probs indy tbh. i don't think you're last man standing, so probably the other one.

What brought you to this conclusion roughly 15 hours into the game?

ask kyle

But I want your answer.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:17 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:18 am Quin do you consider yourself to be a primary suspect?

I do wonder what the point of this question was. Didn't get much out of the Kylemii read otherwise. Tone-wise he's meta town.

linki: I have no idea WTHF made is talking about.

@JaggedJimmyJay Was the sloon read your hot take?

Quin was asking me about why I hadn't commented on the suspicion against him, 'the only real suspect'. it was a comment on his questjon, since I hadn't really seen much suspicion put towards quin yet it seemed odd that he'd list himself as the top suspect. Odd in a "quin is being a goofball" way.

I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

I hesitate. One of his earliest Vocaroo 2 moves was to voice suspicion of me, an early vocal presence. One of his earliest Mortal Kombat moves has now been to voice suspicion of you, an early vocal presence (if I am correctly interpreting a pinkish red color to be a negative thing, or an "independent" read to indicate that you don't look like a civilian to him).

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:11 pmask kyle

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:12 pmjk, don't ask kyle, i don't think he knows yet.

dear made,

quick question but what the fuck

love,
kyle

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

I'm more interested in Made's read on you than your read on him, currently.

This had better not be an insane buddy gambit. That would make my 'do not lynch' list wrong.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

I hesitate. One of his earliest Vocaroo 2 moves was to voice suspicion of me, an early vocal presence. One of his earliest Mortal Kombat moves has now been to voice suspicion of you, an early vocal presence (if I am correctly interpreting a pinkish red color to be a negative thing, or an "independent" read to indicate that you don't look like a civilian to him).

How did he react when pressed to justify that suspicion of you?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

I'm more interested in Made's read on you than your read on him, currently.

This had better not be an insane buddy gambit. That would make my 'do not lynch' list wrong.

I'm interested in your read on Made.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:47 pm How did he react when pressed to justify that suspicion of you?

He attempted to justify it, and ended up roaming around in convoluted theories and uncertainties, struggling to piece together an argument.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

I'm more interested in Made's read on you than your read on him, currently.

This had better not be an insane buddy gambit. That would make my 'do not lynch' list wrong.

I'm interested in your read on Made.

Town.

Pending a response as to why he fingered myself and Kylemii.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:47 pm How did he react when pressed to justify that suspicion of you?

He attempted to justify it, and ended up roaming around in convoluted theories and uncertainties, struggling to piece together an argument.

So far there has been no attempt to justify his read on me. If anything, he's demonstrated an aversion to it. Granted it's only been about a half hour since he stated it, but he was given the chance to explain the read and did not.

[mention]Made[/mention], if you can, could you take us back to your headspace at the beginning of Vocaroo 2 when you were trying to frame Jay as bad?

What?! You are on page 4?! Umm......This is why I don't play big games, Epi. I will see you all when we are down to about 12 players and one of you can catch me up.

I'm going to assume that what he said will suddenly make more sense to me at some point in the future, I guess.

Speedchuck where did made finger you?