Inception [Inception Phase 4]

[Pawn Lelouch]

isnt that a rulebreak if its intentional pawn

I don't believe so since it is multiple names and I do expect that at some point they'll come down to a lower level so the suspicion on them is meant to still be valid.

[MacDougall]

I'll be back in a while

[Master Radishes]

Damn, I'm seeing why Epi has a rep

this is good casework

I can't remember him actually doing this before lol

How do you feel about an scum!Epignosis world?

He's burying the thread in mountains of quotes and if you actually read some of his thoughts on them they're lacking.

I also wasn't a fan of his EoD voting behaviour - he was a counter-wagon for awhile (rather than 112) but never voted for Drago even for self-preservation.

[Epignosis]

Damn, I'm seeing why Epi has a rep

this is good casework

I can't remember him actually doing this before lol

How do you feel about an scum!Epignosis world?

He's burying the thread in mountains of quotes and if you actually read some of his thoughts on them they're lacking.

I also wasn't a fan of his EoD voting behaviour - he was a counter-wagon for awhile (rather than 112) but never voted for Drago even for self-preservation.

I didn't need too. And thank you for telling me how lacking my thoughts are. Good job good effort.

[Epignosis]

"too"

Fuck me I need a Snickers.

[Master Radishes]

Damn, I'm seeing why Epi has a rep

this is good casework

I can't remember him actually doing this before lol

How do you feel about an scum!Epignosis world?

He's burying the thread in mountains of quotes and if you actually read some of his thoughts on them they're lacking.

I also wasn't a fan of his EoD voting behaviour - he was a counter-wagon for awhile (rather than 112) but never voted for Drago even for self-preservation.

I didn't need too. And thank you for telling me how lacking my thoughts are. Good job good effort.

(a) didn't ask you
(b) just saying 'this looks good' on posts that are a bit solvely but clearly in someone's wolf range can reasonably be seen as 'lacking'
(c) thx for the compliment on my effort

[Master Radishes]

Also disappearing.

This'll be a fun round.

[Evenstar]

I think my top three scum of the pople who are actually here would be... {Pawn Lelouch, Nova Seline, 112}

Pawn gave me bad info at dayend yesterday, Nova has been lurking and was on the counterwagon, 112 has partner equity with Drago and I still think they're acting super weird compared to WC1. All three are good candidates. I can't say which world I'm leaning towards re: 112 scum or town, but I would definitely like to hear more from everybody on this list today.

[Dom]

Epi, your analysis of iaafr makes a lot of sense to me.

[iaafr]

maybe I got the bussers wrong and it's hyena and Juliet's

would fit in scumsiding epi world

[Epignosis]

MacDougall

Also, I think Evenstar and Mac are scum and that they are distancing from each other. :3

Hoho, I'd like to see an elaboration on this.

Because neither one of them are serious trying to solve me right now, nor are they allowing me to solve them. I feel like Mac in particular doesn't want to interact with me at all. He's SCAAAAARED~! Even though she denied it earlier, Evenstar tried to pocket me earlier.

What have you said that I was meant to interact with? I have hardly noticed you. Forgive me please.

I wish I was scum with her. I wouldn't be this frustrated.

Dragomir’s smug comment here is a small point in Mac’s favor.

Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.

++++

This is where I fell short. I tabled the MacDougall analysis expecting to come back and see just how many people at this point were calling Dragomir a civilian, because at that point I couldn't recall many. It looked like a way to validate the notion that Dragomir was a civilian whilst casting suspicion on those calling him good, which of course would be an evil strategy.

Unfortunately, by the time I remembered to go back, the threads had vanished, and this is the one analysis I did not complete.

Anyway, MacDougall voted for me, left his vote on me, and so he can go eat a bag of delicious iced caramel kremes.

[Evenstar]

Damn, I'm seeing why Epi has a rep

this is good casework

I can't remember him actually doing this before lol

How do you feel about an scum!Epignosis world?

He's burying the thread in mountains of quotes and if you actually read some of his thoughts on them they're lacking.

I also wasn't a fan of his EoD voting behaviour - he was a counter-wagon for awhile (rather than 112) but never voted for Drago even for self-preservation.

Epignosis is unlikely to be in my voting pool today. Please be cautious of the new rules.

[Epignosis]

Damn, I'm seeing why Epi has a rep

this is good casework

I can't remember him actually doing this before lol

How do you feel about an scum!Epignosis world?

He's burying the thread in mountains of quotes and if you actually read some of his thoughts on them they're lacking.

I also wasn't a fan of his EoD voting behaviour - he was a counter-wagon for awhile (rather than 112) but never voted for Drago even for self-preservation.

I didn't need too. And thank you for telling me how lacking my thoughts are. Good job good effort.

(a) didn't ask you
(b) just saying 'this looks good' on posts that are a bit solvely but clearly in someone's wolf range can reasonably be seen as 'lacking'
(c) thx for the compliment on my effort

(a) don't give a fuck whom you asked
That is all.

[Epignosis]

Master Radishes

I changed my mind and did play some catch-up. Only quick skimming, though.

Random skim reads:

Nutella townish. Not sure I agree with reasons stated above ^ for SRing her.

iiafr townish. In fact, aside from disagreeing with half his reads, I'm ready to follow him to the ends of the subconscious and beyond.

Creature townish.

Hyena townish.

Dragomir creepish.

Eva placid. Uncertain how to read that. Leaning townish.

112 nullish. Conclusion: lynch them.

Elephant small. Beluga whales bigger. Scum.


Okay I'm done now. Disclosure: I made a bunch of these up on the spot.

is here a second non read on Dragomir again not alignament indicative. TSP gave a weird for Drago in post 474 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 9#p558159
Are you and TSP mindmelting?

I just don't think there's much to read from Drago yet. Has he done anything except hit on Eva?

I probably saw TSP's comment when skimming and it stuck in my mind, hence my inclusion in my post above.

Eh.

Someone give me a new convo to join in on.

What are your opinions on Drago, 112 and Iaafr?

Thank you.

Drago - haven't paid much attention to, to be honest; have no reason to either SR or TR them so far from what I have noticed
112 - I've played with 112 about 100 times (literally) so I've seen it all from them; my intial lean is town, but I'll need to see how they progress into future rounds to be certain
iiafr - as mentioned to someone else earlier, he feels so similar to who I interacted with in spec chat that I feel that is his default setting, and therefore more likely to be town. I've not played with him before so don't know his scum game, but even his sudden read changes just feel right based on non-game-related 'meta' as it were

Follow-up to my last response to Eva:

I've not followed 112-gate because I was distracted by Elephant, but my sense of it is very much that it's NAI for 112, and like I say I didn't really pay attention to Drago

It isn’t the best thing that Radishes keeps hammering home that he has not paid attention to Dragomir.

Welp, [VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine then. Not sold on a 112 lynch.

Beyond the reason supplied here, I have no idea why Radishes voted Dragomir.

++++

Master Radishes can remain a suspect.

[Epignosis]

Michelle

Morning everyone, can't say i'll gladly catch up, can someone tell me if is worth reading all the last 7 pages?

Yes.

-_- mmkay
@ me if needed

This exists.

Morning everyone, can't say i'll gladly catch up, can someone tell me if is worth reading all the last 7 pages?

Ah Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff

To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite

pocketed by that song like always. my brain is in page 3 btw

Saw Vanity's entrance with no force one step forward one step back he may go either way.

If Creature is just Creature he can be just villager.
Drago was so weird in the previous game that this isnt AI (alignament indicative)
Nova -_-

This doesn’t really say anything. I don’t know why this post exists.

I changed my mind and did play some catch-up. Only quick skimming, though.

Random skim reads:

Nutella townish. Not sure I agree with reasons stated above ^ for SRing her.

iiafr townish. In fact, aside from disagreeing with half his reads, I'm ready to follow him to the ends of the subconscious and beyond.

Creature townish.

Hyena townish.

Dragomir creepish.

Eva placid. Uncertain how to read that. Leaning townish.

112 nullish. Conclusion: lynch them.

Elephant small. Beluga whales bigger. Scum.


Okay I'm done now. Disclosure: I made a bunch of these up on the spot.

is here a second non read on Dragomir again not alignament indicative. TSP gave a weird for Drago in post 474 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 9#p558159
Are you and TSP mindmelting?

This is perhaps hypocritical, but I like that Michelle is raising the issue re: Dragomir and people not taking a stance.

fuckit bros let's kill drago

Let's go.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

can you show me where did you suspect Drago previously to see why are you voting him?

So I just woke up and I have to ask before I make any proper posts. In what world am I considered part of LLD's clique when I explicitly turned down the invitation back in champs?

good night!

What time is it at you?

Little past midnight. Took an accidental impromptu nap.

good night!

Don't forget to share your impression about Drago though when you cone back.

I also like that Michelle didn’t let the question go unanswered.

++++

Michelle voted Hyena. There’s a couple of minor things in Michelle’s favor, sure, but not enough to rule her out. Michelle can remain a suspect.

[Epignosis]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

There’s no context for this vote, so I can’t do anything with it.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why the fuck is your vote still on me. I don't believe you have any reads of your own since you sheeped that for no reason and don't seem to have taken any stances since. Do you actually suspect me or do you just have zero original thpughts

I think you’re town but a bet is a bet

Garbage reason to vote someone. Anti-town. Screw the bet it's dumb and LLD doesn't deserve that kind of positive feedback rn.

I mean

If you wanna make the same bet on someone I’m game

I just want sheeple to follow my wisdom when I start paying attention

No, I don't. This bet thing is anti-town. Don't do it.

Are you gonna vote drago or Texas with me?

This shows a willingness to vote someone else instead of Dragomir.

From the 5 posts of TL thay I’ve read he seemed townie.

I suspect this sort of thing happens to him a lot when he plays outside his home community but who am I to stop you from ignoring the obvious scum in order to kill sweet TL instead.

who's the obvious scum?

Drago and to a lesser extent Texas

yea drago feels hard to wagon

i said kill drago like 3 times yesterday and people dont follow me

but its easy to wagon michelle and TL

i normally dont use these kinds of reads but the contrast is really stark

back onto drago it is

[v]dragomir[/v]

It’s too bad we weren’t on at the same time maybe if we’d harmonized people would’ve listened

I think if we try hard enough we can make this a 6 way tie.

Who would you suggest for falling within that group?

No low posters. (e.g. Rej, Nova, DFar, etc.) I want to see people voting on people who have been active.

Note for future: if hyena is scum, very likely a partner in the low posters.

Frankly like 1/5 of the game is low posters. And with a game this size there is almost a guarantee that one of them is.

I'd almost bet two low posters are with a scum Hyena. My only hesitation there is that he could be purposefully baiting for this as scum.

Idk if he’s scum or not but yeah if he is I’d say partners in the low posters.

But let’s focus on getting drago dead first.

Alrighty guys I have to focus on work now.

Thank you so much for pushing drago with me, please finish the push and bring it home, I believe in you, etc. etc.

Even after reading all of this, I don’t have any idea why Nanook voted Dragomir.

Wait I’m getting my way? Yippee!

There’s enthusiasm, but it looks like false enthusiasm.

++++

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME’s posts are teammate compatible. There’s an early vote followed by reasonless pushes for Dragomir’s lynch. That doesn’t mean NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME has to be Dragomir’s teammate, but as far as I’m concerned, he can remain a suspect and warrants further scrutiny.

[Dom]

Damn, I'm seeing why Epi has a rep

this is good casework

I can't remember him actually doing this before lol

How do you feel about an scum!Epignosis world?

He's burying the thread in mountains of quotes and if you actually read some of his thoughts on them they're lacking.

I also wasn't a fan of his EoD voting behaviour - he was a counter-wagon for awhile (rather than 112) but never voted for Drago even for self-preservation.

I didn't need too. And thank you for telling me how lacking my thoughts are. Good job good effort.

(a) didn't ask you
(b) just saying 'this looks good' on posts that are a bit solvely but clearly in someone's wolf range can reasonably be seen as 'lacking'
(c) thx for the compliment on my effort

Let's go into detail on what is lacking, then.

[Pawn Lelouch]

I think my top three scum of the pople who are actually here would be... {Pawn Lelouch, Nova Seline, 112}

Pawn gave me bad info at dayend yesterday, Nova has been lurking and was on the counterwagon, 112 has partner equity with Drago and I still think they're acting super weird compared to WC1. All three are good candidates. I can't say which world I'm leaning towards re: 112 scum or town, but I would definitely like to hear more from everybody on this list today.

Gotta remember that I am stuck with my phone right now and had been for all of EOD. I had to go off of memory of the previous vote count.

Not exactly easy to scroll up and see the poll with how fast EOD was going if I wanted to keep up.

[Epignosis]

novaselinenever

Drago is Town here no?

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

++++

I’ll let nova’s posts speak for themselves. nova can remain a suspect.

[Epignosis]

I'm going to pause and go have that Snickers (read: Burrito). I'll be back to finish these up.

[Evenstar]

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] Mind explaining why you told me Mac was responsible for "crusading" on the Epi wagon when he... really didn't do dick all except have a bout of paranoia?

[iaafr]

I could ultimately be wrong on currently believing 112 town and it'd mess with my worldview a bit

probably the key thing I have to reexamine todau

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Pawn Lelouch Mind explaining why you told me Mac was responsible for "crusading" on the Epi wagon when he... really didn't do dick all except have a bout of paranoia?

Since he is the person who basically started the Epi wagon and was the person who got people to vote on it.

Since no one actually posted any real reasons to put their vote on him outside of vague paranoia that mimicked Mac's. They just followed onto him out of fearmongering about Epi's scum game from Mac.

So from my perspective Mac is by far the most prominent reason and person why Epi was a wagon. I stand by what I said.

[Evenstar]

I think my top three scum of the pople who are actually here would be... {Pawn Lelouch, Nova Seline, 112}

Pawn gave me bad info at dayend yesterday, Nova has been lurking and was on the counterwagon, 112 has partner equity with Drago and I still think they're acting super weird compared to WC1. All three are good candidates. I can't say which world I'm leaning towards re: 112 scum or town, but I would definitely like to hear more from everybody on this list today.

Gotta remember that I am stuck with my phone right now and had been for all of EOD. I had to go off of memory of the previous vote count.

Not exactly easy to scroll up and see the poll with how fast EOD was going if I wanted to keep up.

Generally you're more hooked into the thread than that, Pawn. Distracted by something?

[Pawn Lelouch]

I think my top three scum of the pople who are actually here would be... {Pawn Lelouch, Nova Seline, 112}

Pawn gave me bad info at dayend yesterday, Nova has been lurking and was on the counterwagon, 112 has partner equity with Drago and I still think they're acting super weird compared to WC1. All three are good candidates. I can't say which world I'm leaning towards re: 112 scum or town, but I would definitely like to hear more from everybody on this list today.

Gotta remember that I am stuck with my phone right now and had been for all of EOD. I had to go off of memory of the previous vote count.

Not exactly easy to scroll up and see the poll with how fast EOD was going if I wanted to keep up.

Generally you're more hooked into the thread than that, Pawn. Distracted by something?

The fact that I've been arguing with UPS on the phone for the past 2 hours could be a good start?

Seriously fuck UPS. They are some of the most incompetent groups I have ever seen with how consistently they fuck up the smallest things.

[Evenstar]

@Pawn Lelouch Mind explaining why you told me Mac was responsible for "crusading" on the Epi wagon when he... really didn't do dick all except have a bout of paranoia?

Since he is the person who basically started the Epi wagon and was the person who got people to vote on it.

Since no one actually posted any real reasons to put their vote on him outside of vague paranoia that mimicked Mac's. They just followed onto him out of fearmongering about Epi's scum game from Mac.

So from my perspective Mac is by far the most prominent reason and person why Epi was a wagon. I stand by what I said.

Okay, this is a much better answer. I do agree that Mac was the catalyst, but IMO the jumps on looked very opportunistic and scummy, which said to me that Mac was a wrong townie getting taken advantage of by uhhhh fuck I didn't write it down I was expecting to have the thread still

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] do you recall who followed Mac onto your wagon? There were like three votes in quick succession, I think one of them was Iaafr?

[Evenstar]

I think my top three scum of the pople who are actually here would be... {Pawn Lelouch, Nova Seline, 112}

Pawn gave me bad info at dayend yesterday, Nova has been lurking and was on the counterwagon, 112 has partner equity with Drago and I still think they're acting super weird compared to WC1. All three are good candidates. I can't say which world I'm leaning towards re: 112 scum or town, but I would definitely like to hear more from everybody on this list today.

Gotta remember that I am stuck with my phone right now and had been for all of EOD. I had to go off of memory of the previous vote count.

Not exactly easy to scroll up and see the poll with how fast EOD was going if I wanted to keep up.

Generally you're more hooked into the thread than that, Pawn. Distracted by something?

The fact that I've been arguing with UPS on the phone for the past 2 hours could be a good start?

Seriously fuck UPS. They are some of the most incompetent groups I have ever seen with how consistently they fuck up the smallest things.

lol agreed tbh
It's a bit better up here in canada I think but I still have known their tender mercies

[112]

pawn could be maf

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

There’s no context for this vote, so I can’t do anything with it.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why the fuck is your vote still on me. I don't believe you have any reads of your own since you sheeped that for no reason and don't seem to have taken any stances since. Do you actually suspect me or do you just have zero original thpughts

I think you’re town but a bet is a bet

Garbage reason to vote someone. Anti-town. Screw the bet it's dumb and LLD doesn't deserve that kind of positive feedback rn.

I mean

If you wanna make the same bet on someone I’m game

I just want sheeple to follow my wisdom when I start paying attention

No, I don't. This bet thing is anti-town. Don't do it.

Are you gonna vote drago or Texas with me?

This shows a willingness to vote someone else instead of Dragomir.

From the 5 posts of TL thay I’ve read he seemed townie.

I suspect this sort of thing happens to him a lot when he plays outside his home community but who am I to stop you from ignoring the obvious scum in order to kill sweet TL instead.

who's the obvious scum?

Drago and to a lesser extent Texas

yea drago feels hard to wagon

i said kill drago like 3 times yesterday and people dont follow me

but its easy to wagon michelle and TL

i normally dont use these kinds of reads but the contrast is really stark

back onto drago it is

[v]dragomir[/v]

It’s too bad we weren’t on at the same time maybe if we’d harmonized people would’ve listened

I think if we try hard enough we can make this a 6 way tie.

Who would you suggest for falling within that group?

No low posters. (e.g. Rej, Nova, DFar, etc.) I want to see people voting on people who have been active.

Note for future: if hyena is scum, very likely a partner in the low posters.

Frankly like 1/5 of the game is low posters. And with a game this size there is almost a guarantee that one of them is.

I'd almost bet two low posters are with a scum Hyena. My only hesitation there is that he could be purposefully baiting for this as scum.

Idk if he’s scum or not but yeah if he is I’d say partners in the low posters.

But let’s focus on getting drago dead first.

Alrighty guys I have to focus on work now.

Thank you so much for pushing drago with me, please finish the push and bring it home, I believe in you, etc. etc.

Even after reading all of this, I don’t have any idea why Nanook voted Dragomir.

Wait I’m getting my way? Yippee!

There’s enthusiasm, but it looks like false enthusiasm.

++++

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME’s posts are teammate compatible. There’s an early vote followed by reasonless pushes for Dragomir’s lynch. That doesn’t mean NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME has to be Dragomir’s teammate, but as far as I’m concerned, he can remain a suspect and warrants further scrutiny.

So what you’re saying is that instead of going with Avery defensible Texas vote, as scum I opted to bus my partner instead, because lolwhynot.

You’re not gonna find detailed reasons from me for many reads tbh, I don’t believe in overexplaining.

[Evenstar]

I think my top three scum of the pople who are actually here would be... {Pawn Lelouch, Nova Seline, 112}

Pawn gave me bad info at dayend yesterday, Nova has been lurking and was on the counterwagon, 112 has partner equity with Drago and I still think they're acting super weird compared to WC1. All three are good candidates. I can't say which world I'm leaning towards re: 112 scum or town, but I would definitely like to hear more from everybody on this list today.

Gotta remember that I am stuck with my phone right now and had been for all of EOD. I had to go off of memory of the previous vote count.

Not exactly easy to scroll up and see the poll with how fast EOD was going if I wanted to keep up.

Generally you're more hooked into the thread than that, Pawn. Distracted by something?

The fact that I've been arguing with UPS on the phone for the past 2 hours could be a good start?

Seriously fuck UPS. They are some of the most incompetent groups I have ever seen with how consistently they fuck up the smallest things.

lol agreed tbh
It's a bit better up here in canada I think but I still have known their tender mercies

That said, dayend was not two hours ago, but I'll give you a pass because you did actually produce a decent explanation

[Evenstar]

pawn could be maf

I agree, but tell me more about why because my #1 reason just evaporated

[Pawn Lelouch]

I think my top three scum of the pople who are actually here would be... {Pawn Lelouch, Nova Seline, 112}

Pawn gave me bad info at dayend yesterday, Nova has been lurking and was on the counterwagon, 112 has partner equity with Drago and I still think they're acting super weird compared to WC1. All three are good candidates. I can't say which world I'm leaning towards re: 112 scum or town, but I would definitely like to hear more from everybody on this list today.

Gotta remember that I am stuck with my phone right now and had been for all of EOD. I had to go off of memory of the previous vote count.

Not exactly easy to scroll up and see the poll with how fast EOD was going if I wanted to keep up.

Generally you're more hooked into the thread than that, Pawn. Distracted by something?

The fact that I've been arguing with UPS on the phone for the past 2 hours could be a good start?

Seriously fuck UPS. They are some of the most incompetent groups I have ever seen with how consistently they fuck up the smallest things.

lol agreed tbh
It's a bit better up here in canada I think but I still have known their tender mercies

That said, dayend was not two hours ago, but I'll give you a pass because you did actually produce a decent explanation

Oh for dayend? That's an easy one. My audition timeslot was 5:15 and I was nervous af since it's for Little Shop. I was very focused on having Razzle Dazzle down flat over anything else for like the hour before that.

[Epignosis]

So what you’re saying is that instead of going with Avery defensible Texas vote, as scum I opted to bus my partner instead, because lolwhynot.

No, what I said was, "NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME’s posts are teammate compatible. There’s an early vote followed by reasonless pushes for Dragomir’s lynch. That doesn’t mean NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME has to be Dragomir’s teammate, but as far as I’m concerned, he can remain a suspect and warrants further scrutiny."

You’re not gonna find detailed reasons from me for many reads tbh, I don’t believe in overexplaining.

I wasn't looking for detailed reasons. I was looking for any reason.

[Evenstar]

... man, I really wonder what chaos is currently occurring in the other thread

The majority of players just vanished
Did someone die? Multiple someones? Were we announced as having moved or did we just vanish with no explanation?

Are there scum there? Are there scum here? Probably there are scum in both places, but idek what the point of... oh, duh, the voting rules and the power thing, those are relevant. Ok. And the scum are Leo and Co, so... they have to progress through the levels somehow? Did they set this up? Probably there's some limitation on what they can do...

Yeah I got nothing. I super want to see how this shit works behind the scenes.

Given that multiple levels exist and there were three in the movie, I think we can bet that this'll happen again tonight - some of us will move to a new thread, some of us will [whatever happened to the other 13 players]

is there even another thread

there is super probably another thread

that or we're on a ridiculous clock and half of us are dead, but I don't think the GM would do that to us

This is stupid and I should table it for now, I'm just making myself paranoid because "what if we're in here with an 8-man scum team", which... yeah lol not happening

[Evenstar]

I think my top three scum of the pople who are actually here would be... {Pawn Lelouch, Nova Seline, 112}

Pawn gave me bad info at dayend yesterday, Nova has been lurking and was on the counterwagon, 112 has partner equity with Drago and I still think they're acting super weird compared to WC1. All three are good candidates. I can't say which world I'm leaning towards re: 112 scum or town, but I would definitely like to hear more from everybody on this list today.

Gotta remember that I am stuck with my phone right now and had been for all of EOD. I had to go off of memory of the previous vote count.

Not exactly easy to scroll up and see the poll with how fast EOD was going if I wanted to keep up.

Generally you're more hooked into the thread than that, Pawn. Distracted by something?

The fact that I've been arguing with UPS on the phone for the past 2 hours could be a good start?

Seriously fuck UPS. They are some of the most incompetent groups I have ever seen with how consistently they fuck up the smallest things.

lol agreed tbh
It's a bit better up here in canada I think but I still have known their tender mercies

That said, dayend was not two hours ago, but I'll give you a pass because you did actually produce a decent explanation

Oh for dayend? That's an easy one. My audition timeslot was 5:15 and I was nervous af since it's for Little Shop. I was very focused on having Razzle Dazzle down flat over anything else for like the hour before that.

...

Okay, I believe you, that's just too stupidly specific to not be true

NAI but yeah

[Epignosis]

@Pawn Lelouch Mind explaining why you told me Mac was responsible for "crusading" on the Epi wagon when he... really didn't do dick all except have a bout of paranoia?

Since he is the person who basically started the Epi wagon and was the person who got people to vote on it.

Since no one actually posted any real reasons to put their vote on him outside of vague paranoia that mimicked Mac's. They just followed onto him out of fearmongering about Epi's scum game from Mac.

So from my perspective Mac is by far the most prominent reason and person why Epi was a wagon. I stand by what I said.

Okay, this is a much better answer. I do agree that Mac was the catalyst, but IMO the jumps on looked very opportunistic and scummy, which said to me that Mac was a wrong townie getting taken advantage of by uhhhh fuck I didn't write it down I was expecting to have the thread still

Epignosis do you recall who followed Mac onto your wagon? There were like three votes in quick succession, I think one of them was Iaafr?

MacDougall was one. iaafr was one. Hyena was one. novaselinenever was one. There was one more, but it is eluding me. The most I had at one point was five votes.

[Master Radishes]

For now I think I trust Rabbit, Mac, & Nook the most. I kind of want to like Dom too but will need to put any read on hold till we see more.

There are too many unknowns in this group. I fear that this is going to become an even 'smaller' group prone to manipulation if we don't get some more input from certain slots.

Bed time for this little radish.

[Epignosis]

I am going to finish posting my commentary, and then I'm going to watch the World Series and root for my favorite pitcher.

[Epignosis]

nutella

Lmao drago stop being creepy she's lesbian. Also aren't you like under 18 :\

First interaction. Okay.

I don't really see the point in making character claiming legal when your character isn't alignment indicative. So I do believe in good characters being town, bad characters being scum. And with that being said, safe claims are probably a thing this game. This is technically a tinfoil but it's very logical in my eyes.

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the rules. It's all pretty clear in the first post. Alignment has nothing to do with character. Claiming is illegal, only character claiming is ok because it has no bearing on role. So of course there can't be fake claims because that contradicts all of that. How are you not getting this

Second interaction. Me likey.

Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.

or he's just bad and people have shit reads


...or is it you who has tmi

Evenstar, Dragomir, Epignosis, Benson

nah, maybe, absolutely not, sure

I’m not really sure why there’s more confidence behind Benson than Dragomir here.

maybe we should just lynch dragomir because i hate this post

Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.

Stunned? Does that make *this* TMI then?

Mafucka ninja'd me. Shit lol. Mindmeld buddies. I got the same idea. He sounds way too sure that there is TMI involved, so he must know that I'm town.

Nah dude he made another post before that that basically said the same thing benson did and he just didn't see it. This is a legit reaction imo.

Drago calls people on tonal stuff, but his is possibly the worst in the game. Is this an instance of someone accusing others of what they think they themselves are guilty of?

I'd have to reread him to assess this possibility. I do have concerns about him because usually when he's town I townread him very strongly from early on and I'm not getting that here (disclaimer, I incorrectly tunneled and mislynched him last game, but only after having that strong townread of him for a few days until circumstances led me to case him).

He may only have the second worst tone in the game though after Rej. But Rej's gonna Rej.

This looks like a genuine thought process.

Fine ok we can drop it. But like, what is your feeling on drago's alignment and how strong and why

Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.

or he's just bad and people have shit reads


...or is it you who has tmi

I feel like I am living in crazytown. I'm getting so much heat and it doesn't feel legit.

This smells like scum jumping on village led suspicion to me. Who started this anti Mac rhetoric? Who has looked like they're taking advantage of wounded Mac?

These were two posts that directly reacted to the TMI garbage at the time. Do they not satisfy the criteria?

Ehh again they were reactions to it without addressing the premise. Again I'm more concerned about your confidence in drago being town.

Rather than chase Mac’s dick (see the context) and carry on this conversation, Nutella demanded MacDougall’s opinion on Dragomir. That’s good.

Aight let's try this. So many names

Epignosis
Hyena
Creature

112
Benson
iaafr
MacDougall

Master Radishes
Michelle
vanity.

Evenstar
Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

DFaraday
Dom
Quin
sprityo
Texas Cloverleaf

Elephant
Lady Lambdadelta
Long Con
novaselinenever
Pawn Lelouch
Spiny Creature
Trustworthy Liberal
TonyStarkPrime

Dragomir
juliets
Rej

......This was hard. Much of this subject to change.

[VOTE: rej] aubergine

Cool.

I would be okay with a Drago or Rej lynch or whatever but I am feeling radish as the galaxy brain option. However to echo something iaafr said about someone else, if he ends up being town it would be a mislynch I'd regret. So I want some input.

I don’t mind this post.

TL and to some extent Drago feel like the too-easy options for D1. Though Drago has also kinda disappeared. See if some pressure brings him in.[VOTE: drago] aubergine

Prob not staying on either of these guys. I don't want to end in a lame small brained mislynch. I wanna catch the big fishes

who are your big fish candidates

Pawn, LLD, maybe juliets or elephant

Maybe nutella gave herself an out from voting Dragomir, but let’s be honest- nobody at this time was willing to lynch any of these people.

Like I said earlier, I usually find Drago as a pretty strong townread early on when he's town (even when I mislynched him I had been townreading him for the first few days) and I haven't gotten that feeling at all here so my gut says he's likely scum.

I believe this.

Drago is Town here no?

No?

++++

I saw nutella as a civilian throughout Day 1, and I don’t see anything here that changes my mind.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So what you’re saying is that instead of going with Avery defensible Texas vote, as scum I opted to bus my partner instead, because lolwhynot.

No, what I said was, "NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME’s posts are teammate compatible. There’s an early vote followed by reasonless pushes for Dragomir’s lynch. That doesn’t mean NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME has to be Dragomir’s teammate, but as far as I’m concerned, he can remain a suspect and warrants further scrutiny."

You’re not gonna find detailed reasons from me for many reads tbh, I don’t believe in overexplaining.

I wasn't looking for detailed reasons. I was looking for any reason.

It was the way he made then backed off that shitty joke, it didn’t feel like a town progression to me.

That isn’t gonna convince people though, a naked vote is easier to get support for than that ime, so better to vote then rally, otherwise it’s not hard for the case to be discredited.

[Epignosis]

Pawn LeLouch

Man, so many town reads being handed out like candy over here, there's gotta be some TMI underneath them.

Oh totes. The question is who is truthful and who is TMIing. Considering like half of the players have posted at least some reads by now. And that is something that will take a bit to figure out frankly due to needing more data points and associatives to work with. So it can be a concern but not one that should be at the forefront of your mind until at least D1 starts.

Okay.

Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.

Confirmed Town
Pawn Lelouch

Town
Creature

Town Lean
Master Radishes Love his interaction about Creature’s reaction and hard agree on hating the Sprityo post.
Iaafr
Epignosis
Vanity. His Nook insight is a towny type of insight and I have had that exact view on Michelle before in other games and have had it here already. It just feels like a genuine thought process.
Texas Cloverleaf

Null (+/neutral/-)
Evenstar (+)
MacDougall (+)
Nutella (+)
Spiny Creature(+) Note I am fully admitting to bias here due to the Hyena interactions but I just love her there, and while the content amount is low due to time, the actual content is good imo.

Benson (neutral)
112 (neutral)
Michelle (neutral) I fully admit I just have trouble reading her.
Juliets (Neutral) This is a weird one for me. Since she doesn’t actually have much content that is actually strong. Like she has it, but it all feels fairly shallow. However, I think her reaction to being stilted is real and as someone who is somewhat similar to that I can’t really endorse scum reads based on that due to not finding them accurate, and yes that does seem to be a fair bit of why people are scum reading her. So two conflicting views null out.
Jackofhearts2005 (neutral) Has the Creature read going for him but otherwise everything else is honestly very meh. It exists but that’s about it.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (neutral) There’s a passiveness and wishy washiness that I don’t really associate with town Nook but Vanity raised a really good point regarding him acting like a town who has been burned before which I can see. Two conflicting views null this out essentially.

Trustworthy Liberal (-)
Elephant (-)
Long Con (-)
TonyStarkPrime (-) So TSP has only a few things going on with him. The minor spat with Spiny, the one with me, and the relatively singleminded Juliets push. Spiny is a punctuation read that I find laughable on principle and am ignoring, the one on me I honestly didn't mind outside of his weird last sentence flip where he basically swapped to scum reading me at the end of the paragraph after leading up with town, since that was a strange look. Currently have this as a null - and their current position is currently tied directly to the opposite end as Juliets.

Scum Lean
Sprityo Mostly pure shitpost and the actual content post he put out was basically semi-incoherent when I looked through the ISO. Post #1413 exactly, is enough to drag him to scum lean,
Dragomir

Scum
Hyena
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Basically Don’t Exist yet and thus auto null (-) until more content.

DFaraday
Dom
Lady Lambdadelta
novaselinenever
Quin
Rej

Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.

What makes you think Mac is roleplaying?

... wait, was it that one weird post way back, where Mac was strangely enthusiastic?

It was more of a series of posts from then but pretty much, yeah.

I think it could be hilarious if I started roleplaying mine. OR I could end up looking like Dragomir.

Do you think roleplaying is suspicious?

Not at all. When Dragomir is being a creep though when using what I believe roleplaying as an excuse, even as a bad joke, I don't see a reason to keep him around when he's already in my bottom 3 reads.

This is an early vote against Dragomir. The reasoning behind it isn’t strong, but it’s solid for a Day 1. I’m not really sure why Dragomir was “already in [your] bottom 3” prior to the creepiness, so perhaps you could elaborate on that Pawn.

hey pawn whatup

which reads of yours should I sheep rn

Drago or TSP are probs my top two scum rn. MR, Creature, Vanity town. Also feeling pretty good about Epi and Texas rn.

Okay.

fuckit bros let's kill drago

Let's go.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

There’s a measure of enthusiasm here, as Pawn voted Dragomir a second time.

And thus the triad is broken and I can freely place my vote. Out of TL, Michelle, and Drago, Drago is by far the scummiest imo.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Third time’s a charm…

fuck is Day over

You have 12 minutes. Epi and Drago are main 2 wagons.

Like hell.

Off of vote numbers yeah you two are. Unless 112 has made a big enough resurgence to make it a 3 way competition.

> 112 5 votes

So they have then. 112 + Drago are the main two then.

This might not mean much at first glance, but at the time, I was certainly not a main candidate to be lynched, and I said as much. Why this is significant is that it means Pawn was unconcerned with keeping an eye on the poll in order to manipulate where the votes fell during crunch time.

++++

If I squint hard I could see a Dragomir teammate, but that last point resonates with me.

[Evenstar]

@Pawn Lelouch Mind explaining why you told me Mac was responsible for "crusading" on the Epi wagon when he... really didn't do dick all except have a bout of paranoia?

Since he is the person who basically started the Epi wagon and was the person who got people to vote on it.

Since no one actually posted any real reasons to put their vote on him outside of vague paranoia that mimicked Mac's. They just followed onto him out of fearmongering about Epi's scum game from Mac.

So from my perspective Mac is by far the most prominent reason and person why Epi was a wagon. I stand by what I said.

Okay, this is a much better answer. I do agree that Mac was the catalyst, but IMO the jumps on looked very opportunistic and scummy, which said to me that Mac was a wrong townie getting taken advantage of by uhhhh fuck I didn't write it down I was expecting to have the thread still

Epignosis do you recall who followed Mac onto your wagon? There were like three votes in quick succession, I think one of them was Iaafr?

MacDougall was one. iaafr was one. Hyena was one. novaselinenever was one. There was one more, but it is eluding me. The most I had at one point was five votes.

Yeah Nova super deserves pressure today after following Mac like that.

Speaking of which, @Macdougall: Stop overthinking and get out of your Epi tunnel, this man is town. You're reading way too much in and letting your paranoia get the best of you.

[Evenstar]

[mention]Macdougall[/mention]

[Master Radishes]

... man, I really wonder what chaos is currently occurring in the other thread

The majority of players just vanished
Did someone die? Multiple someones? Were we announced as having moved or did we just vanish with no explanation?

Are there scum there? Are there scum here? Probably there are scum in both places, but idek what the point of... oh, duh, the voting rules and the power thing, those are relevant. Ok. And the scum are Leo and Co, so... they have to progress through the levels somehow? Did they set this up? Probably there's some limitation on what they can do...

Yeah I got nothing. I super want to see how this shit works behind the scenes.

Given that multiple levels exist and there were three in the movie, I think we can bet that this'll happen again tonight - some of us will move to a new thread, some of us will [whatever happened to the other 13 players]

is there even another thread

there is super probably another thread

that or we're on a ridiculous clock and half of us are dead, but I don't think the GM would do that to us

This is stupid and I should table it for now, I'm just making myself paranoid because "what if we're in here with an 8-man scum team", which... yeah lol not happening

Stop doing that thing where you sow chaos please. There's no evidence of another thread, there's certainly no 8-person scum team in here, there certainly are some scum in here, and anyway it doesn't matter because we have a game to play.

[Epignosis]

Quin

gth reads based on mac's exercise:

Benson: I've only known Benson for a day and a half, but if anything ever happened to him I would kill everyone in this game and then myself. Similar to TSP in having things to say about just about everything, but there's dedication to these posts TSP doesn't have. Town.

Dragomir: Early juliets callout set off alarm bells. Didn't really sound like a test even though that's how he played it. There's fluff, but his meaty posts are targeted in just about every direction which isn't a bad thing. Kinda don't think he'd go so overboard with that Evenstar stuff is he was bad (to stay out of the spotlight if anything) Town.

Lady L (thank you umineko references): The 4 person shtick is...confusing? I won't linger on it. I do hope there's not actually 4 people behind the role though. Somewhat insightful up until the nutella vote which isn't explained until later on. Though she is proactive in getting the lynch going (good), Lady has her heels in the ground when talking about it with other people which sucks a bit. Town.

Rej: The Michelle callout is a good look (questioning those who blindly accept townreads). It's a good point against her, though if I can make time I'd give her a read too before I make any judgments. Not a whole lot to work with otherwise. Town.

TSP: Fluff. If scum, probably buddying the elephant. He's got a lot of posts yet so many of them seem to be tiptoeing around the events of the thread without dedicating himself to anything. Scum.

Quin has four posts and one of them is this.

++++

Voted Evenstar.

Quin can remain a suspect.

[Epignosis]

Rej

Nada.

Did not vote.

Rej can remain a suspect.

[Epignosis]

SpinyCreature / boo

ok if i'm gonna start posting from the point I'm caught up at, these were my ~vibes~

anyway Eva is town. and not JUST because her savagery in response to Drago's flirting attempts was the most beautiful effortless thing she's ever done. (more because of her responses to iaafr and 112). Her read that Drago continuing that flirting so long was trying to force conversation, thus scummy, was not one that would've occurred to me, but ig she could be right there.

This looks genuine.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I see 3 votes on Epi. Anybody wanna enlighten me on the case against him?

dumbread: "anybody wanna enlighten me on the case" feels like forced tryhard wording. trying hard to sound clever and not all that bluntly invested in Epi wagon. /dumbread

idk I don't like it. Will watch out to see if that's just how Drago talks.

I dig this.

++++

boo voted no lynch, and I cannot fault him for that.

Due to the above, I think boo is not mafia. And even still, I wouldn’t be lynching him Day 2 anyway. What’s new, boo? Not that you can answer that.

[Epignosis]

sprityo

I'm kidding.

Hi kidding, I’m sprityo

Eh.

I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Eh Part II.

++++

Voted Evenstar.

sprityo can remain a suspect.

[Epignosis]

TexasCloverleaf

Nada.

Voted Evenstar.

TexasCloverleaf can remain a suspect.

[Dom]

why we analyzing people who ain't here?