Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think 3J knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to Sloonei.

I'm open to hearing you out here, but if you think I am going to reverse on a civilian read at the very end of a day phase with minimal time to process and no answer to the question I kept stabbing into your face, then we're not playing the same game.

Why does a mafia Sloonei need to go to that much trouble to attack one dude? What's the agenda? Recall that Sloonei himself faced no significant pressure in this thread prior to that case.

[Kylemii]

Sorry Daisy.

[Epignosis]

3J, since you are fond of demands- link me to any huge case Sloonei has made on someone Day 1.

[Epignosis]

I don't think 3J knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to Sloonei.

I'm open to hearing you out here, but if you think I am going to reverse on a civilian read at the very end of a day phase with minimal time to process and no answer to the question I kept stabbing into your face, then we're not playing the same game.

Why does a mafia Sloonei need to go to that much trouble to attack one dude? What's the agenda? Recall that Sloonei himself faced no significant pressure in this thread prior to that case.

I can't believe I need to answer this.

"Why does a mafia need."

He doesn't.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

3J, since you are fond of demands- link me to any huge case Sloonei has made on someone Day 1.

GY!BE, Day 0

[DrWilgy]

Guys that's not what I said to do.

[Sloonei]

I don't think 3J knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to Sloonei.

I'm open to hearing you out here, but if you think I am going to reverse on a civilian read at the very end of a day phase with minimal time to process and no answer to the question I kept stabbing into your face, then we're not playing the same game.

Why does a mafia Sloonei need to go to that much trouble to attack one dude? What's the agenda? Recall that Sloonei himself faced no significant pressure in this thread prior to that case.

I can't believe I need to answer this.

"Why does a mafia need."

He doesn't.

what was my motivation for building that case against kyle?

[Epignosis]

I don't think 3J knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to Sloonei.

I'm open to hearing you out here, but if you think I am going to reverse on a civilian read at the very end of a day phase with minimal time to process and no answer to the question I kept stabbing into your face, then we're not playing the same game.

Why does a mafia Sloonei need to go to that much trouble to attack one dude? What's the agenda? Recall that Sloonei himself faced no significant pressure in this thread prior to that case.

I can't believe I need to answer this.

"Why does a mafia need."

He doesn't.

what was my motivation for building that case against kyle?

To look like a civilian.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You're going to ask me to dig shit up you better talk about it when I do.

[Sloonei]

I don't think 3J knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to Sloonei.

I'm open to hearing you out here, but if you think I am going to reverse on a civilian read at the very end of a day phase with minimal time to process and no answer to the question I kept stabbing into your face, then we're not playing the same game.

Why does a mafia Sloonei need to go to that much trouble to attack one dude? What's the agenda? Recall that Sloonei himself faced no significant pressure in this thread prior to that case.

I can't believe I need to answer this.

"Why does a mafia need."

He doesn't.

what was my motivation for building that case against kyle?

To look like a civilian.

Is there more to your suspicion than that?

[Sloonei]

Guys that's not what I said to do.

why did you want to lynch kyle?

[Sloonei]

this was exhausting. epi and kyle are the only players i feel comfortable labeling as suspects right now. There's definitely a lot of juicy content in that day phase but I'm in no condition to dig through it all right now.

[Epignosis]

3J, since you are fond of demands- link me to any huge case Sloonei has made on someone Day 1.

GY!BE, Day 0

Okay. A case against you. Which he never perused. And quickly admitted it was "pressure."

Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.

Couple it with the fact that it was you he voted for, and you have my entire reason right there.

What if I told you it's more of a pressure vote than anything?

3J and Sloonei are in love and will never lynch one another the end.

[Epignosis]

I don't think 3J knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to Sloonei.

I'm open to hearing you out here, but if you think I am going to reverse on a civilian read at the very end of a day phase with minimal time to process and no answer to the question I kept stabbing into your face, then we're not playing the same game.

Why does a mafia Sloonei need to go to that much trouble to attack one dude? What's the agenda? Recall that Sloonei himself faced no significant pressure in this thread prior to that case.

I can't believe I need to answer this.

"Why does a mafia need."

He doesn't.

what was my motivation for building that case against kyle?

To look like a civilian.

Is there more to your suspicion than that?

Yes.

[Sloonei]

I don't think 3J knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to Sloonei.

I'm open to hearing you out here, but if you think I am going to reverse on a civilian read at the very end of a day phase with minimal time to process and no answer to the question I kept stabbing into your face, then we're not playing the same game.

Why does a mafia Sloonei need to go to that much trouble to attack one dude? What's the agenda? Recall that Sloonei himself faced no significant pressure in this thread prior to that case.

I can't believe I need to answer this.

"Why does a mafia need."

He doesn't.

what was my motivation for building that case against kyle?

To look like a civilian.

Is there more to your suspicion than that?

Yes.

care to share?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To look like a civilian.

This is such weak shit for you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Y’all want to make a case on Sloonei? Go crazy. I’ll listen.

“He made a big case against Kyle on Day 1” does not change my mind. Who fucking cares?

[Sloonei]

I'd be happy to have a case made against me if it meant we could talk about the case I made on Kyle.

[DrWilgy]

Guys that's not what I said to do.

why did you want to lynch kyle?

Like I said. Good feeling it's him or you. Now I wait a full cycle to find out.

[Sloonei]

Guys that's not what I said to do.

why did you want to lynch kyle?

Like I said. Good feeling it's him or you. Now I wait a full cycle to find out.

what gives you this feeling?

[Kylemii]

Guys that's not what I said to do.

why did you want to lynch kyle?

Like I said. Good feeling it's him or you. Now I wait a full cycle to find out.

Can I ask you to explain this viewpoint?

[MacDougall]

Wigly sure has a lot to say now that the lynch is over.

[Epignosis]

To look like a civilian.

This is such weak shit for you.

Kiss my ass. Lynching spacedaisy was weak shit for anybody, and guess what?


Daisy
7
39%


Voters: JaggedJimmyJay

There's Mr. Weak Shit.

Sorry I listened to your bullshit to save Sloonei. Will not happen again.

[MacDougall]

Group 1 - Give the most credence to these reads.

Speed
Sloonei
Epi
JJJ
Kylemii
nutella

Group 2 - Give some credence to these reads.

FZ
Dyslexicon
Long Con
Dr Wilgy
Marmot

Group 3 - Pay no mind sunshine.

Lorab
Novaselinenever
Dave


Update after day 1.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis, I have nearly no idea why you suspect Sloonei and you’ve spent the last two hours telling me about it.

Get to the fucking point. Show me something.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, I have nearly no idea why you suspect Sloonei and you’ve spent the last two hours telling me about it.

Get to the fucking point. Show me something.

He looks fucking PHONY.

That will never mean anything to you because you two believe in holding each others hands.

[Epignosis]

Anyway, the snow melted and I have to go back to work tomorrow.

[Sloonei]

To look like a civilian.

This is such weak shit for you.

Kiss my ass. Lynching spacedaisy was weak shit for anybody, and guess what?


Daisy
7
39%


Voters: JaggedJimmyJay

There's Mr. Weak Shit.

Sorry I listened to your bullshit to save Sloonei. Will not happen again.

It was all weak shit. There was one really thorough substantial case made during the day but rather than discussing that, we just decided that the guy who made it had to be full of shit.

[Sloonei]

Epignosis, I have nearly no idea why you suspect Sloonei and you’ve spent the last two hours telling me about it.

Get to the fucking point. Show me something.

He looks fucking PHONY.

That will never mean anything to you because you two believe in holding each others hands.

For what it's worth, this also means nothing to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m considering the notion of an Epi/Kyle pairing.

He sounded civilian because his posts read like his Vocaroo recordings? When did Kyle even face significant pressure in Vocaroo? What is the comparison?

[Sloonei]

I’m considering the notion of an Epi/Kyle pairing.

He sounded civilian because his posts read like his Vocaroo recordings? When did Kyle even face significant pressure in Vocaroo? What is the comparison?

We're starting to agree on things.

[Kylemii]

I’m considering the notion of an Epi/Kyle pairing.

He sounded civilian because his posts read like his Vocaroo recordings? When did Kyle even face significant pressure in Vocaroo? What is the comparison?

wait when did he say this?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To be more specific regarding my thought process (since I'm so often accused of pretzel logic and am getting that criticism here again), my initial concern was how Kylemii failed to consider that 3J was bad and was making a move against him. Had the Vocaroo sequel not have happened, I might have carried on with considering that a sign of Kyle's (subconscious) guilt revealing itself, but when I read Kyle's posts in his own voice, that feeling went away.

Sloonei has done nothing in my estimation except pound Kylemii into the ground. We both played Vocaroo Too! Mafia, and I expressed why I think Kylemii is civilian. Sloonei, to my knowledge, has not commented on Kylemii's tone were he to read his posts in Kylemii's voice.* Furthermore, Sloonei quickly called me good. Should he have done so? And on what basis?

*Granted, I have not read Sloonei's novel on Kylemii, which I will do so shortly.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sorry I listened to your bullshit to save Sloonei. Will not happen again.

"JaggedJimmyJay is responsible for my vote."

No thanks.

[Sloonei]

I didn't register that he faulted me for not reading kyle's posts that way. Yuck. Also he's accusing me of "doint nothing except pound Kyle into the ground" without having read the post in which I pounded kyle into the ground. Yuck.
Sorry Daisy. we should have lynched Epi.

[MacDougall]

True story:

In the only other DFaraday Speed Game, I got lynched Day 1 for the first time ever, because I fell asleep at my desk and didn't save myself.

I'm not seeing baddie LA. I also feel like there was quite the bandwagon going on earlier against her, although it seems to have moved off.

I'm going to vote Epi for now. I'm not feeling great and may fall asleep on the keyboard, so want to be sure to not forget to vote. He's really the only one I'm noticing who is playing their baddie game.

I'm going to sleep.
Not sure I like Marmot's vote there, though I admit there are some pages I didn't read. The days are way too short for me

If I get lynched, lynch the people who voted for me and fell asleep.

They don't care about the roof.

Epi when you made your plea why did you pick these two players to make the plea to? They seem relatively random.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I didn't register that he faulted me for not reading kyle's posts that way. Yuck. Also he's accusing me of "doint nothing except pound Kyle into the ground" without having read the post in which I pounded kyle into the ground. Yuck.
Sorry Daisy. we should have lynched Epi.

And now that we both want him dead, his agenda has shifted back to "Jay saved Sloonei" and a bunch of meaningless "they're in love" jokes.

I'll vote for him the moment Day 2 starts.

[Sloonei]

sloonei with all due respect I'm done responding to you. your case is bad and you're only being repetitive and I have family over that I should be hanging out with, I can't be a good family member, and respond to you, and also make a good decision for this day phase at the same time. I can do 1, maybe 2 of those things but not all 3.

Sloonei's case is literally the only thing I haven't read in this thread (except what I haven't read that I am going to read). I have never known anyone to pour that much effort into a Day 1 case as that.

There are three mafia. Not one. If Sloonei feels he has a fish (you), he can afford to cast his net for others. And I don't see him doing that.

Also, what is this post? It came in just before he decided that I'm the least Jewish person Russia.

[Sloonei]

I didn't register that he faulted me for not reading kyle's posts that way. Yuck. Also he's accusing me of "doint nothing except pound Kyle into the ground" without having read the post in which I pounded kyle into the ground. Yuck.
Sorry Daisy. we should have lynched Epi.

And now that we both want him dead, his agenda has shifted back to "Jay saved Sloonei" and a bunch of meaningless "they're in love" jokes.

I'll vote for him the moment Day 2 starts.

I'll hold your hand in that vote.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey look at that post, he said "literally" again.

You use the word "literally" a lot when you're bad.

You should work on that.

[MacDougall]

I’m considering the notion of an Epi/Kyle pairing.

He sounded civilian because his posts read like his Vocaroo recordings? When did Kyle even face significant pressure in Vocaroo? What is the comparison?

I don't see the pairing. I just got through reading all of Epignosis's interactions with Kyle literally right as I made that most recent post and had determined that they are impossible partners due to the fact that they are too overtly tied together. I would expect more care. I can't see Epi defending Kyle at the clip he was if he was his partner. Epi is more likely to have bussed him.

Says nothing about either's alignment but I can't see them as teammies.

Basically what I am doing right now is reading each ISO and just reading the way they communicate with each player (or don't). In some cases the way one person communicates make them look partner positive (speedchuck towards Sloonei) but the other players interactions look more natural (Sloonei towards Speedchuck).

The most compelling case for partners I have found so far is a potential speedchuck/Epignosis team. I have drawn a line through a lot of partnerships due to the interactions read. This is not a perfect art but I feel it's useful.

On a glance; speedchuck does not make sense as partners with JJJ, Kyle, nutella or wigly. Pings with Sloonei and Epi. Null with FZ, Dizzy, LC, Lorab, Nova, Marmot and Dave.

Sloonei does not make sense as partners with speedchuck, Epi, JJ, Kyle, FZ and Marmot. Is null with literally every other player.

Epi pings with speedchuck. Does not make sense with Sloonei, JJJ, Kyle or nutella... haven't read further yet.

[MacDougall]

Neither Epig or Kyle are voting each other - which is peculiar kind of. I guess they will if things stay the same?

I'll either let my vote stay or switch ro LoRab cause idfk. And I need to sleep very soon.

I believe Kyle is a civilian.

I'm not voting for him for that reason. I believe the reciprocal is true.

False dilemmas are the mafia's playpen. And their playpen doesn't even have a fucking roof.

The only interaction between these two. I find their lack of interaction suspicious.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can understand it, Mac. For me the biggest hangup in an Epi/Kyle pair is that I still don't think Kyle looks bad on his own. Any suspicion I have of him now is a product of Epignosis.

I'm open to hearing about an Epi/speedchuck connection. The latter is someone I haven't given the proper care and attention.

[MacDougall]

Does Epignosis have a tendency one way or the other when it comes to ignoring/engaging with teammates in the thread casually? Notwithstanding when he makes a move to actually distance or bus?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I do think though that Epignosis would sooner defend than bus his teammates in the vast majority of scenarios. He talks a lot about his lack of bussing history, and it bears out -- he doesn't do it much.

[MacDougall]

nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

Lorab is someone I've wrongly accused more times than I can count. I think I've been right about her once. I have no opinion on her today. Nothing stands out.

I generally read Lorab wrong and I am reading her town so take that fwiw.

On what basis?

Interesting. I don't recall my answer having received any follow up. Epi can you share why you asked me this question. I hadn't noticed that you had made the same claim less than an hour prior to me saying that.

[Sloonei]

You described my post as "unhelpful" earlier. why?

because it was unhelpful

all you did was sharpen the focus on something that was already being focused on

is that value added?

I still dislike every single word of this post. If I'm going to reduce my suspicion of Kyle down to a single post, I want it to be this one. It starts here.

[MacDougall]

I do think though that Epignosis would sooner defend than bus his teammates in the vast majority of scenarios. He talks a lot about his lack of bussing history, and it bears out -- he doesn't do it much.

Without provocation/necessity would you expect him to ignore his partners in the thread?

[MacDougall]

You described my post as "unhelpful" earlier. why?

because it was unhelpful

all you did was sharpen the focus on something that was already being focused on

is that value added?

I still dislike every single word of this post. If I'm going to reduce my suspicion of Kyle down to a single post, I want it to be this one. It starts here.

I don't know why.

[MacDougall]

I can understand it, Mac. For me the biggest hangup in an Epi/Kyle pair is that I still don't think Kyle looks bad on his own. Any suspicion I have of him now is a product of Epignosis.

I'm open to hearing about an Epi/speedchuck connection. The latter is someone I haven't given the proper care and attention.

It's important to note that these reads are entirely related to POSSIBLE scum partnerships and have nothing to do specifically with how I read that player. I am surprised by how few partnerships there are. Very interesting that I read Sloonei and not once did I think "yeah they could be partners".

With Epi I have done so with Speedchuck, Dyslexicon and Long Con. Can't see him being a teammate of Sloonei, you, Kyle, nutella, FZ or Marmot. Null on only Lorab, Nova, Dave.