The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:33 pm I didn't know Wilgy was playing in this game????

Actually he isn't, he forgot to use blue font.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:18 pm Why is lynching a low poster being considered today?

I find it unlikely that all if the scum can be found among the talkative folks.
I'm not advocating a lynch of a low poster without exhausting all our other options first.

I'll never understand this mentality. Worst thing about it is that it always seems to be the case.

I am applying it specifically to this game, not generally about all mafia games. I look around and I'm getting more town vibes than scum vibes from the activity in the thread. We've got a big pocket of inactive players, so I am wary of them.

A lynch of a low poster has the most merit in a scenario wherein the high posters read each other mostly as civilians -- it's POE. In this scenario I think it's a reasonable option, as the one notable "high poster" suspicion I have to offer is Long Con. I'm with family for turkey time today but ought to be able to investigate ideal low-poster options later.

Linkipalooza

Nvm he is. I'm derping. Was looking for Wilgy at the W instead of D in the poll.

Ignore me plz.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:42 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:40 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:59 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 am I'ma kick today off with a rainbow, avoiding yellows to the best of my ability. with lots of yellows given the two replacements and extreme low posters. I hope to find a better place for them today.
Kylemii
Long Con
nutella
speedchuck
Spacedaisy
colonialbob
Dom
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
sig
sprityo
Mesk514
Jackofhearts2005
Elohcin
Dragon D. Luffy
Sloonei
Epignosis

I will take questions. Unless your question is "Why do you have every read you have", in which case, suck a brick.

Why am I on the same end as Epi and the opposite end of LC?

This... is a darn good question.

Is it?

You said you'd be willing to answer questions.

I did. And I answered it too, but I'm not sure why it's of interest to bob.

Because it's a weird grouping of reads and I wanted to know why you did it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:32 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:18 pm Why is lynching a low poster being considered today?

I find it unlikely that all if the scum can be found among the talkative folks.
I'm not advocating a lynch of a low poster without exhausting all our other options first.

I'll never understand this mentality. Worst thing about it is that it always seems to be the case.

Thah'ts why I compared low posters to zero posters.

There is that guy who makes 3-4 posts a day and contributes nothing. Sprityo, Sig and Wilgy could count on that category (personally I think Sprityo looks bad and I have no read on the other 2).

There is that guy who makes 1 post every 2 days saying hi and is a prime candidate for a replacement. I. e. Dom.

I think the former type can be a worthy lynch (though I'd like to ISO any of them before deciding). The later is not.

Agreed. I would be happy to lynch any of Wilgy, Sig, or Sprityo. I think Dom is unlikely to be bad for the reason I stated (though Quin provided a counterexample)

I didn't even realise it was Thanksgiving.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:33 pm I didn't know Wilgy was playing in this game????

Actually he isn't, he forgot to use blue font.

he's on the player list dad don't embarrass me in front of my friends

RE: Jay, I am taking everything he says right now with a grain of salt because of this post right here:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:20 pm Hey gang. I've followed the game pretty closely so far and will puke up some perspectives/hot takes/sick, nasty content after class.

Any reads that he shares will be ideas that he conceived of prior to entering the game, so they will not be indicative of his alignment upon entry. They just show what he was thinking as a neutral observer.

He prodded me about my past activity as scum, which at least showed an active interest in doing further work, but that's all I've got on him so far.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:37 pm I didn't even realise it was Thanksgiving.

It's tomorrow. Jay is just weird

I don't feel like lynching Wilgy. He seems legit having trouble catching up. Would like to give him more time.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:37 pm I didn't even realise it was Thanksgiving.

ungrateful honky

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:37 pm I didn't even realise it was Thanksgiving.

ungrateful honky

It's hard to be thankful when everything in Australia is trying to kill you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:38 pm RE: Jay, I am taking everything he says right now with a grain of salt because of this post right here:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:20 pm Hey gang. I've followed the game pretty closely so far and will puke up some perspectives/hot takes/sick, nasty content after class.

Any reads that he shares will be ideas that he conceived of prior to entering the game, so they will not be indicative of his alignment upon entry. They just show what he was thinking as a neutral observer.

He prodded me about my past activity as scum, which at least showed an active interest in doing further work, but that's all I've got on him so far.

Yeah. He hasn't convinced me yet that he's the usual supatown Jay we all know.

Sig basically announced he will be inactive until Day 6. But my read on him is neutral so I dunno.

It's troubling me cus the only Dr.Wilgy I know is Pirate Wilgy and that Wilgy, despite his frustrating smiley antics had a significant thread presence, and by the time of his death had a number of baddie reads most of which turned out to be correct

Actually Day 4, with Day 5 being his return to activity. Wrong math.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:42 pm Sig basically announced he will be inactive until Day 6. But my read on him is neutral so I dunno.

Then why on earth did he sign up?

I've never seen baddie Jay to this day and this scares the shit out of me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:05 pm My vote is remaining on Elohcin.

Why?

My only experience with baddie Jay is through hosting Chinese Food mafia. I don't know how comparable burglaries and long-term games are to each other.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:42 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:14 pm I kind of agree with epi on voting a low poster. Other than my suspicion of LC and my slight suspicion of nutella (half the time her posts crack me up and half the time I'm hinking wtf), I do think that the high posters seem to be civ and genuinely trying to help.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:37 pm Elohcin
Mesk514
JaggedJimmyJay
Spacedaisy
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Kylemii
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
colonialbob
sig
sprityo
Quin
Sloonei
Dom
nutella
Long Con

Dom is the only low poster singled out as a clear suspect. The others are all nondescriptly placed in yellow. And then the claim that "the high posters seem to be civ" is somewhat contradicted by Quin and I being colored orange, and kyle being listed among the neutrals as well. You think this computes over here?

I agree with this analysis, well done.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:43 pm It's troubling me cus the only Dr.Wilgy I know is Pirate Wilgy and that Wilgy, despite his frustrating smiley antics had a significant thread presence, and by the time of his death had a number of baddie reads most of which turned out to be correct

Wilgy is a tough nut to crack. He's one of those people who gets mislynched on day 1 a lot, because he's sort of an enigma and as far as I can tell his style is usually pretty consistent regardless of his alignment. Except here. He's usually more active than this. I guess I can understand if he's not caught up, but I would have expected more than nothing from him by now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:05 pm My vote is remaining on Elohcin.

Why?

Should it not be?

I've totally nailed bad boy Jay before. Once, three years ago.

I joined Sloonei on Eloh.

24 hours ago he said he was put on his frog suit and said it was time to get serious so I hope we see some content soon

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:42 pmI still feel like you were voting epi for a nonsense reason which is what mafia will do.

Just glancing at Eloh's ISO to find her previously stated opinions of Quin and Sloonei... this post bugs me. Is that really "what mafia will do"? I feel like I could put a great many reasons baddies vote and put that at the beginning of the sentence.

"I feel like you were voting Epi to make it in before the lynch train took off, which is what mafia will do"

"I feel like you were voting Epi to save your teammate, which is what mafia will do"

"I feel like you were voting Epi to avoid either of the main trains, which is what mafia will do"

... those are all true as well. I'm just not buying Eloh's quote here as honest.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:52 pm 24 hours ago he said he was put on his frog suit and said it was time to get serious so I hope we see some content soon

And now I can ask this question without being a "Didn't Read" Denny. Eloh, why are Quin and Sloonei in the reddish zone? You have never mentioned them before.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:52 pm 24 hours ago he said he was put on his frog suit and said it was time to get serious so I hope we see some content soon

There is no such thing as a serious DrWilgy.

I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:05 pm I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] what do you think about this?

I'm personally feeling good about Eloh right now precisely because it seems she is really playing the game, so I get what Sloon means.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:01 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:55 pm I've said my piece on today's lynch. Plenty of other people haven't provided much content so I'll give them a chance to catch up or speak.

I'll be lurking until EOD in case anyone has questions or I need to move my vote.

This post gives me a very political vibe.

I hate politicians.

I have four times as many posts as you, you're annoyed at all the posts but me stopping posting for the night is bad indicative.

K.

You are interpreted it wrong.

I couldn't care less about you stopping for the night.

I just didn't like the way you put it. Seems like you are reading yourself for a possible jump near EoD to save a teammate, while at the same time excusing yourself for not posting.

You don't need to relay that kind of information if you are a civ. I'm looking at your motivation for doing it. Feels like a politician wanting to excuse bad deeds.

My motivation was that Kyle just asked me to weigh in on stuff I had already weighed in on. So I was like "no."

Who was I gonna save?

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:50 pm ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is

Because there's too little knowledge in the game to be setting a hard POE at this point.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

That's exactly what Scumdaisy would say.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:20 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:17 am ... I have never heard the terms "Good boys" "Bad boys" or "Wild boys" used here. Are you from an alternate reality?

It's gonna become the new thing. Just you wait.

What about Spicy Bois?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

There has to be a more often than not though. What can you best describe as Epi's civ behavior vs Epi's mafia behavior?

Now onto day 1.

here come dat boii

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

DDL has moved into top scum read.

A good chunk of me wants to give Epi another chance cause I secretly love him and cause lots of people have called the buddying theory wrong. Part of me does not because I'm still not seeing much hunting. I am seeing strong mechanic analysis that reminds me of good Epi breaking open ASOUE so there's that.

Mostly, DDL feels frazzled. His reads are coming in half baked. He's too concerned with how he looks (for DDL). Part of me remembers his postgane Pirates comment and thinks he's suffering from the same self doubt. If that's the case, I would feel bad lynching him. But I want to cause he seems bad.

Your thoughts on DDL's game from a DDL meta perspective?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:09 pm My motivation was that Kyle just asked me to weigh in on stuff I had already weighed in on. So I was like "no."

Who was I gonna save?

I have a problem with this. You and I were talking about the usefulness of using close lynches as a valid scum hunting tactic in appropriate contexts.

I asked you why the discussion was so important to you that you felt the need to respond so passionately about it and you never responded. The moment I invited you to discuss the options for the current lynch you decided you were done for the night and left.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:19 pm Part of me remembers his postgane Pirates comment and thinks he's suffering from the same self doubt. If that's the case, I would feel bad lynching him. But I want to cause he seems bad.

That is correct, but this is me trying to do something about it.

You don't get done discussing things. There's no such thing as being done with discussion.

There's no such thing as putting too much effort into ensuring a successful lynch.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:09 pm My motivation was that Kyle just asked me to weigh in on stuff I had already weighed in on. So I was like "no."

Who was I gonna save?

I have a problem with this. You and I were talking about the usefulness of using close lynches as a valid scum hunting tactic in appropriate contexts.

I asked you why the discussion was so important to you that you felt the need to respond so passionately about it and you never responded. The moment I invited you to discuss the options for the current lynch you decided you were done for the night and left.

Didn't I? And hadn't I already stated in extreme detail my feelings on LC, Epi and Nutella?

ISO me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:10 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:20 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:17 am ... I have never heard the terms "Good boys" "Bad boys" or "Wild boys" used here. Are you from an alternate reality?

It's gonna become the new thing. Just you wait.

What about Spicy Bois?

Wilgy gets it.

You can be done because you are just leaving.

It is kind of weird when you are not leaving, and you are making yourself available to change your vote later, yet you are done with discussion.

Either use the seat or leave it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:19 pm @Sloonei

DDL has moved into top scum read.

A good chunk of me wants to give Epi another chance cause I secretly love him and cause lots of people have called the buddying theory wrong. Part of me does not because I'm still not seeing much hunting. I am seeing strong mechanic analysis that reminds me of good Epi breaking open ASOUE so there's that.

Mostly, DDL feels frazzled. His reads are coming in half baked. He's too concerned with how he looks (for DDL). Part of me remembers his postgane Pirates comment and thinks he's suffering from the same self doubt. If that's the case, I would feel bad lynching him. But I want to cause he seems bad.

Your thoughts on DDL's game from a DDL meta perspective?

DDL was my top scum read coming into the day but this post was too emotionally raw for me to read it as false. I'd still be open to evaluating him and we could all probably benefit from interrogating him a little more.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

What were you referring to here?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

What prompted this read as opposed to the post regarding his behavior being non-alignment indicative?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:42 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:38 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:31 am Can you agree with both hesitance and confidence toward the same thing simultaneously?

In this case, I think so. Nutella agrees with the sentiments that have been shared by myself, Long Con, and possibly you (we still don't know your actual reasons for voting Epi). I was only asking about the extent to which she agrees.

My reasons are the same as LC. I thought he was buddying.

Fair enough.

I'll disagree. I think a day one POE is too clear cut to be buddying, and if the goal was to buddy I don't think Epi would've gone about it this way.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:35 am Of course, I do like Doc. Hes a fun fellow even if Dunsparce is lame.

And now my feelings are hurt. *voting JoH*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:36 am Quin/Sloonei not w/w imo.

Do you still think this to be true?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.

Also, people get lazy.

Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.

I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.

When you break down all conversation in mafia to it's smallest bits all that is left is the WIFOM. Do you just hate Mafia?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.

WHo the hell feels guilty about being mafia anyway?

I do. I don't like killing my friends. Choosing who to take out of a game feels bad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

Wait a minute.

How does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?

This.

I know understand why D1 exploded.

// Taking a break here to reflect on personal thoughts.
// Why does Sloonei have so many questions, yet I feel like he has no read yet at this point?
// Because of this I think I agree with DDL.
// At this point the players that have taken my interest so far are LC, Epi, Sloonei, DDL
// I'm noticing a trend that Quin often goes under my radar. For some reason Quin's voice just doesn't stick in my head.

Time to continue. More D1 after these commercial messages.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:38 pm I do. I don't like killing my friends. Choosing who to take out of a game feels bad.

So do I. But this was Day 1. Nobody had had to kill anyone yet. Do you feel guilty just for having a bad role card?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:09 pm My motivation was that Kyle just asked me to weigh in on stuff I had already weighed in on. So I was like "no."

Who was I gonna save?

I have a problem with this. You and I were talking about the usefulness of using close lynches as a valid scum hunting tactic in appropriate contexts.

I asked you why the discussion was so important to you that you felt the need to respond so passionately about it and you never responded. The moment I invited you to discuss the options for the current lynch you decided you were done for the night and left.

Didn't I? And hadn't I already stated in extreme detail my feelings on LC, Epi and Nutella?

ISO me.

I literally just did. My point still stands.

"I've already said my opinions once so I refuse to think about them more or talk about them again when someone asks" is not a pro town attitude

especially when the person making the request is one of your town reads

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:05 pm My vote is remaining on Elohcin.

Why?

Should it not be?

You just answered a question with a useless question, turning it around on me.

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I am not lynching Wilgy today.