Re: GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 D5
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:17 pm
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
^ we even know as much because falcon attempted to shoot macJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:15 pmMac was never surviving to end gameBelzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:05 pmIf sabie is scum, then i would be surprised Alexa and Sabie agreed both with me to shoot Mac.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:59 pmSloonei, LP, sabie and DyaBelzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:56 pmHelp us find who if not you.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:55 pm I am town. Killing me will lose the game.
If your suspects are just me and LP then we have gone wrong somewhere
Dya has cred for the kill on marmot, but I don't see why they can't be the lone wolf
I'm assuming LP is scum
I really doubt creature/falcon are faking their stuff so I am assuming legit.
Dya is hard to say cuz is for personal reasons less involved, and the shot on Marmot could mean anything really.
Sloonei is looking really good today.
In what scenario could ilario "inherit the mafia kill"?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:52 pm I didn't trust anything Ilario said. I didn't trust the 3p won't inherit the mafia kill because that definitely didn't blow up in my face before.
You're again discounting the possibility that town makes irrational reactionsSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:16 pmWe knew that Alexa was poisoned. We knew that ilario claimed responsibility. We knew what ilario had told us about his role. We did not know whether it was possible for alexa to be healed.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:06 pm Are you telling me every townie you have played with has a reaction that makes 'sense'.
B) that isn't true because Alexa could have been healed.
"All we were being asked to do was believe him or not believe him with regards to Alexa." - and I chose not to trust him
In the world where alexa was healed, ilario's attempt to achieve his 3p goal would have failed. In which case, he'd be stuck in the thread having outed himself completely unnecessarily. ilario was safely in the towncore at the time of his claim. In this world, there is nothing we can do on Day 4 except wait to see what happens to alexa and ilario. This is what I mean when I say "there was nothing we could do to prevent his actions from resolving." Thus, we were never being asked to "trust" ilario in a game-sense. We were only being asked to trust a singular read he had made, and even that was not strictly necessary. "Trusting" his alexa read just meant playing that day as though alexa might be mafia, rather than confirmed town. Making a fuss about not trusting ilario just impedes our efforts to flesh out reads in the world where alexa is mafia.
I also have another concern which I'll articulate in a separate post.
If the wolves are all dead and the game was still going onSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:18 pm Actually, before I articulate my concern, I need to ask a question first.In what scenario could ilario "inherit the mafia kill"?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:52 pm I didn't trust anything Ilario said. I didn't trust the 3p won't inherit the mafia kill because that definitely didn't blow up in my face before.
I’m not. I just think your reaction specifically looks exaggerated.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:19 pmYou're again discounting the possibility that town makes irrational reactionsSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:16 pmWe knew that Alexa was poisoned. We knew that ilario claimed responsibility. We knew what ilario had told us about his role. We did not know whether it was possible for alexa to be healed.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:06 pm Are you telling me every townie you have played with has a reaction that makes 'sense'.
B) that isn't true because Alexa could have been healed.
"All we were being asked to do was believe him or not believe him with regards to Alexa." - and I chose not to trust him
In the world where alexa was healed, ilario's attempt to achieve his 3p goal would have failed. In which case, he'd be stuck in the thread having outed himself completely unnecessarily. ilario was safely in the towncore at the time of his claim. In this world, there is nothing we can do on Day 4 except wait to see what happens to alexa and ilario. This is what I mean when I say "there was nothing we could do to prevent his actions from resolving." Thus, we were never being asked to "trust" ilario in a game-sense. We were only being asked to trust a singular read he had made, and even that was not strictly necessary. "Trusting" his alexa read just meant playing that day as though alexa might be mafia, rather than confirmed town. Making a fuss about not trusting ilario just impedes our efforts to flesh out reads in the world where alexa is mafia.
I also have another concern which I'll articulate in a separate post.
Agreed.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:21 pm I know Dya has been having stuff going on irl. But I think it would be a mistake to let that slot skate-by
My only pause is they are defending sabie, a slot that was in the PoE and would have been a free misyeetBelzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:23 pmAgreed.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:21 pm I know Dya has been having stuff going on irl. But I think it would be a mistake to let that slot skate-by
If they didn't shot Marmot, i would scumread Dya for sure. So maybe it is Dya afterall.
Is Dya+LP a thing?
So ilario would have needed to remain in the game for several phases after killing alexa in order for this to happen. And if it did happen, we would all know it right away. But it would not likely happen because he told us he would disappear from the game after killing alexa if she flipped mafia. If she flipped town, ilario basically would have had no win condition. If she flipped mafia and he stayed in the game, he’d have a very slim win condition.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:19 pmIf the wolves are all dead and the game was still going onSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:18 pm Actually, before I articulate my concern, I need to ask a question first.In what scenario could ilario "inherit the mafia kill"?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:52 pm I didn't trust anything Ilario said. I didn't trust the 3p won't inherit the mafia kill because that definitely didn't blow up in my face before.
Scum white knights all the same, so not sure that is any proofJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:24 pmMy only pause is they are defending sabie, a slot that was in the PoE and would have been a free misyeetBelzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:23 pmAgreed.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:21 pm I know Dya has been having stuff going on irl. But I think it would be a mistake to let that slot skate-by
If they didn't shot Marmot, i would scumread Dya for sure. So maybe it is Dya afterall.
Is Dya+LP a thing?
Yeah, I believe if dya is wolf they are more likely with sabieJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:24 pmMy only pause is they are defending sabie, a slot that was in the PoE and would have been a free misyeetBelzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:23 pmAgreed.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:21 pm I know Dya has been having stuff going on irl. But I think it would be a mistake to let that slot skate-by
If they didn't shot Marmot, i would scumread Dya for sure. So maybe it is Dya afterall.
Is Dya+LP a thing?
That's okay.
So Alexa and Sabie both joined me on shooting Mac, cuz Mac was about to be shot anyways?Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:26 pmYeah, I believe if dya is wolf they are more likely with sabieJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:24 pmMy only pause is they are defending sabie, a slot that was in the PoE and would have been a free misyeetBelzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:23 pmAgreed.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:21 pm I know Dya has been having stuff going on irl. But I think it would be a mistake to let that slot skate-by
If they didn't shot Marmot, i would scumread Dya for sure. So maybe it is Dya afterall.
Is Dya+LP a thing?
Yeah but this all requires the knowledge of his wincon being completely factual and not made up. It's not even clear to me now if there was still potential for ilario to inherit the factional killSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:25 pmSo ilario would have needed to remain in the game for several phases after killing alexa in order for this to happen. And if it did happen, we would all know it right away. But it would not likely happen because he told us he would disappear from the game after killing alexa if she flipped mafia. If she flipped town, ilario basically would have had no win condition. If she flipped mafia and he stayed in the game, he’d have a very slim win condition.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:19 pmIf the wolves are all dead and the game was still going onSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:18 pm Actually, before I articulate my concern, I need to ask a question first.In what scenario could ilario "inherit the mafia kill"?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:52 pm I didn't trust anything Ilario said. I didn't trust the 3p won't inherit the mafia kill because that definitely didn't blow up in my face before.
If ilario’s win condition required him to survive for an extensive period of time after poisomkng alexa, then it never made sense for him to claim the way he did.
Now to get to the point I was originally going to object to here: your fear about ilario inheriting the mafia kill would imply confidence in alexa flipping mafia.
If dya is town, killing Marmot helps further her wincon by killing wolf.
Alexa and sabie wouldn't have known that mac would have been shot if we live in a world where they are both scum. I think it's entirely possible they did it for cred because there was a good chance mac would have been yeeted.Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:28 pmSo Alexa and Sabie both joined me on shooting Mac, cuz Mac was about to be shot anyways?Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:26 pmYeah, I believe if dya is wolf they are more likely with sabieJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:24 pmMy only pause is they are defending sabie, a slot that was in the PoE and would have been a free misyeetBelzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:23 pmAgreed.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:21 pm I know Dya has been having stuff going on irl. But I think it would be a mistake to let that slot skate-by
If they didn't shot Marmot, i would scumread Dya for sure. So maybe it is Dya afterall.
Is Dya+LP a thing?
Do you think a townDya would shoot Marmot that early? It was really soon.
I thought we were already discussing shots at the time?Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:36 pmDo you think a townDya would shoot Marmot that early? It was really soon.
Hmmm... I really don't know what to do with Dya. I wanna believe town shot Marmot, but i have no other reason to townread Dya. And we did expect Marmot to get killed... and Dya was quickly to do so... hmmmm..... maybe it is Dya who is mafiaCreature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:38 pmI thought we were already discussing shots at the time?Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:36 pmDo you think a townDya would shoot Marmot that early? It was really soon.
Qfr
Ouch that is really sad in hindsight. Shot Town for voting Mafia.
I actually townread Bo, and scumread Dizzy, when c4 did thatLinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:53 pmOuch that is really sad in hindsight. Shot Town for voting Mafia.