The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:07 pm**

The thing is, even if we do flip his ability, I don't know how that can help us other than just making sure he wasn't the 3p, lol.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:07 pm**

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:03 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:59 pm I'd vote Mac solely because of not knowing his role and to be sure he is not the 3p that wins today.
I mean, look, if we try to think about it, with all the other roles and abilities we had confirmations more or less what they have been doing or what actions were what.. You know what I mean... Like everything fall in place, people could counter confirm other's actions. But mac, he can't be a VT right? He must have an action which we would have not received an explanation for?

Am I making sense at all or am I paranoid?

Well he claims he is not allowed to claim which is also true of Oddmerta and SPF, but we were able to make some determinations about them even without their claims. Poison, I think this is a situation where we are all a bit paranoid about who it could be.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:08 pm**

Idk that effort level for this specific game is a tell or not for Mac tbh, the other 3p game of his was a dramatically different game state where he had private communication with the scum team and they just kind of were able to coast and win against one active town player.

On the other hand I’d feel pretty bad if mac is town and dies so

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:09 pm**

The thing is, if he's 3p, being that active and gunning down for mafia does exactly this thing

1) Makes him a kill target

Which 3p would avoid under any and all circumstances.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:09 pm**

I’m voting him for self prez but my hearts not super into it

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:10 pm**

I wouldn't feel bad if Mac got flipped, it's PoE, it's mechanics, it's whatever.

But he does have a point regardless, gunning for mafia like he did is pretty anti-3p.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:10 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:07 pm The thing is, even if we do flip his ability, I don't know how that can help us other than just making sure he wasn't the 3p, lol.

Uhh.. I don't know.. I mean, it was just weird from my Pov so I just pointed it out.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:10 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:09 pm The thing is, if he's 3p, being that active and gunning down for mafia does exactly this thing

1) Makes him a kill target

Which 3p would avoid under any and all circumstances.

It doesn’t in this game with an outed watcher then a cop with green checks

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:11 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:08 pm Idk that effort level for this specific game is a tell or not for Mac tbh, the other 3p game of his was a dramatically different game state where he had private communication with the scum team and they just kind of were able to coast and win against one active town player.

On the other hand I’d feel pretty bad if mac is town and dies so

He also plays a magnificent town game when he's motivated so I don't really think his effort is a tell. My point was just I'm paranoid about him since I know he is masterful as scum, especially since he has lasted this long. I would also feel bad if he is town and dies.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:11 pm**

I mean, it shouldn't be weird. We have 2 other unclaimed roles.

It isn't to say there can't be 3, it's just that he doesn't have a clearing action going on for him.

Oddmerta technically didn't get cleared off his role either, it was Herm's role.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:11 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:09 pm The thing is, if he's 3p, being that active and gunning down for mafia does exactly this thing

1) Makes him a kill target

Which 3p would avoid under any and all circumstances.

Well that makes sense. And if we try to think nook is in the perfect position I mean safe from both town and mafia till now.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:12 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:10 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:09 pm The thing is, if he's 3p, being that active and gunning down for mafia does exactly this thing

1) Makes him a kill target

Which 3p would avoid under any and all circumstances.
It doesn’t in this game with an outed watcher then a cop with green checks

The watcher was outed D2, Mac puts himself in the killpool regardless?

I don't know what your cop argument is refuting, elaborate?

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:12 pm**

Like look at the claim state d2...Hally always was gonna die N2...and by d2/D3 the kills were close to on rails (or seemed like they would be, still weird that alison didn’t die earlier but it’s irrelevant to the point)

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:13 pm**

oh like mafia is supposed to get rid of clears

meh I think that is an outcome oriented argument, really

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:13 pm**

Like, from Mac's 3p perspective, he doesn't know there's a watcher and a cop that can't die and keeps mowing through checks.

It's a lot of assuming.

The point is that he gunned for mafia since Day 1 and put himself in the kill pool.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:15 pm**

Sure, you can make that argument, but it isn't really reasonable.

If me, you, juliets, anybody would've been 3p, how could they have known about the roles in game and how the game state would shift so easily, lol.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:15 pm**

Idk, I think if I were 3p claiming “I can’t claim” I would not be worried at all about getting NKed in that gamestate, is all I’m saying

More compelling to me is that Mac helped bury the last mafia when 3p probably wants to drag the game out a bit longer usually

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:16 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:15 pm Idk, I think if I were 3p claiming “I can’t claim” I would not be worried at all about getting NKed in that gamestate, is all I’m saying

More compelling to me is that Mac helped bury the last mafia when 3p probably wants to drag the game out a bit longer usually

Yea that makes sense. And you talking about this makes me wanna town read you. Ugh!!!

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:17 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:15 pm Idk, I think if I were 3p claiming “I can’t claim” I would not be worried at all about getting NKed in that gamestate, is all I’m saying

More compelling to me is that Mac helped bury the last mafia when 3p probably wants to drag the game out a bit longer usually

I'm talking about his mentality on D1.

There were no claims D1, no watcher outs, no cop outs, nothing.

He started going for mafia hard since D1.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:17 pm**

No I mean

Hally outed early so he would’ve known he has D3 to get out of being NKed

Then a bunch of obviously useful townie roles claimed later d2 and D3...like who would kill Mac over radishes backup claim, or TSP, or alison, etc. So he never really would’ve had to go into “ok now I’m gonna not get NKed” mode, he was always free to just town it up cause no matter how townie he was there were always mech kills a lot better than him

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:17 pm**

But seriously how many misyeets can we have at the most?

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:18 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:15 pm Idk, I think if I were 3p claiming “I can’t claim” I would not be worried at all about getting NKed in that gamestate, is all I’m saying

More compelling to me is that Mac helped bury the last mafia when 3p probably wants to drag the game out a bit longer usually
I'm talking about his mentality on D1.

There were no claims D1, no watcher outs, no cop outs, nothing.

He started going for mafia hard since D1.

Oh, that’s not AI—he did that last time as 3p too. He’s even selling that as his 3p MO, go hard after mafia D1 for the town cred then fade into the background afterwards

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:18 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:15 pm Idk, I think if I were 3p claiming “I can’t claim” I would not be worried at all about getting NKed in that gamestate, is all I’m saying

More compelling to me is that Mac helped bury the last mafia when 3p probably wants to drag the game out a bit longer usually
I'm talking about his mentality on D1.

There were no claims D1, no watcher outs, no cop outs, nothing.

He started going for mafia hard since D1.

Ye that's the biggest plus for him.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:19 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:18 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:15 pm Idk, I think if I were 3p claiming “I can’t claim” I would not be worried at all about getting NKed in that gamestate, is all I’m saying

More compelling to me is that Mac helped bury the last mafia when 3p probably wants to drag the game out a bit longer usually
I'm talking about his mentality on D1.

There were no claims D1, no watcher outs, no cop outs, nothing.

He started going for mafia hard since D1.
Oh, that’s not AI—he did that last time as 3p too. He’s even selling that as his 3p MO, go hard after mafia D1 for the town cred then fade into the background afterwards

But he didn't fade instead he was going hard against scum all game and yeeted them all iirc.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:20 pm**

Headdesk

Are you even reading what I’m saying

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:21 pm**

If mac is 3p...going after mafia D1 fits his MO, by his own admission...and he never needed to fade after D1 due to the claim state D2 and onwards...

It’s literally the only thing stopping me from saying “it’s just Jules gg”

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:22 pm**

Like I’m not even sure I believe it, but it’s viable imo

Idk why I’m bothering this isn’t my problem anymore in t-minus 9 hours kek

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:23 pm**

Nanook you village whisperer, silver tongued ensign.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:24 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:22 pm Like I’m not even sure I believe it, but it’s viable imo

Idk why I’m bothering this isn’t my problem anymore in t-minus 9 hours kek

There are a lot of things that could happen to the votes in 9 hours.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:26 pm**

Don’t you fucking dare I did my part now you’re supposed to vote me out due to POE and throw without me!

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:27 pm**

It's not a throw if the 3p is in the PoE

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:30 pm**

It’s a throw if they satisfy their wincon before getting killed and I’m already dead and thus not part of it!

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:31 pm**

If I’m alive if/when they satisfy their wincon tho it isn’t a throw it’s just bad luck kek

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:31 pm**

It's not a throw

this isn't a game of mafia anymore

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:33 pm**

I mean I’ve already mentally chalked this one up as a W tbh

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:33 pm**

If we lose this, it's called losing the lottery

not a game of mafia anymore ever since scum died

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:04 pm**

I'll be here an before EoD. Gn.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:31 pm**

Noting Oddmerta shadow voted me and is otherwise entirely laying low while the supposed POE try to solve ourselves.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:31 pm**

Oddmerta started pushing me as the 3p before the last mafia was dead too.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:39 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:31 pm Oddmerta started pushing me as the 3p before the last mafia was dead too.

I have been worried about Oddmerta since I started asking questions about him. I'm personally not convinced we should be excluding him but Nanook and ted are. I'll be back in a bit.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:31 pm**

I agree. His play for days has been agenda like. Looks like someone who just wants to make bad lynches. Isn't trying to solve just pushing wherever gets him a result.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:36 pm**

Here is ted's reason to clear him but I'm pretty sure Nanook had something too, I will try to find it.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:49 am Mechanically cleared people

SPF -

Spoiler: show
We have deduced she is the song Magpie from the album King Of The Limbs. Herm was tracked to Master Radishes' house the night he checked for the album King Of The Limbs. Herm only checks songs. That implies that Master Radishes was the civilian notified of Herm's check, thus, there are not any non-civillians on the album King Of The Limbs.

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:01 am
Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:18 pm My album is also The King of Limbs, so I assume me and Rasishes are the only ones with that album, which probably explains why I was seen visiting.

So once I'm miseliminated, just continue the game with that info in mind.
Oh lol, sorry about that typo Radish.

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:05 pm The King of Limbs (0 Scum, Radishes)
Note : Read herm's flip, by "0 scum" he means that he didn't get a rolepeek of any card while checking the album, which means there are no NON-CIVILLIANS on that album. Herm was using "scum" here to refer to both 3p and mafia.

tedxtr -

Spoiler: show
I claimed a song from the album Kid A. Herm told us that there aren't any non-civillians on Kid A, and my claim was proven to be true by Poison.

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:38 pm To start off, my role sounds a bit similar to Poison's role, but I assume it's not entirely the same.

I'm some kind of Song Cop.

I scan albums each night, looking for roles.

N1 I scanned the Amnesiac Album, but I didn't get any results. I'm supposed to get results if there's any scum roles on this album. If town is on this album they should be notified of my search. Not sure how this works tbh.

N2 I scanned Kid A. No results this time either. So I assume there's no scum on this album.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:10 am Hard claim album Kid A, song Optimist or whatever it is, Optimistic

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:27 am Ted didn't lie about his song.

Oddmerta -

Spoiler: show
Herm checked Amnesiac and Kid A. Nobody from the album Amnesiac or Kid A claimed to have received a notification from Herm, but Oddmerta heavily hinted to receiving one. As a 3p, he'd have to have a role peek on Herm and also gambit on whether the person from Kid A or Amnesiac were dead or alive. Thus, Occam's razor suggests that he's just the town from one of those albums that also happened to receive the notification.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:20 am
Herm wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:38 pm To start off, my role sounds a bit similar to Poison's role, but I assume it's not entirely the same.

I'm some kind of Song Cop.

I scan albums each night, looking for roles.

N1 I scanned the Amnesiac Album, but I didn't get any results. I'm supposed to get results if there's any scum roles on this album. If town is on this album they should be notified of my search. Not sure how this works tbh.

N2 I scanned Kid A. No results this time either. So I assume there's no scum on this album.

My role also has this Day 1 thing tailored to it, that if I don't have any votes at EOD of D1, then I'm bp for N1.

I was successful, but I think I was too scummy to be targeted N1 lol.
Ok so Herm is town, I know it. We need to get rid of Dyachei for faking tracker results

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:27 am Best to start thinking of a world where Herm is town amd dyachei is scum

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:31 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:30 am
Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:28 am Yes, but it is randomized. So only one townie on an album gets notified of the search.
Lol.

I commend you trying, but like no. =p
I think he is telling the truth

Dizzy -

Spoiler: show
Poison chose to inspect the song High and Dry from the album "The Bends". Poison claimed that this specific song is civilian aligned and Dizzy's claims fits the description of that song to a T. Here's how :

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:06 am I used The role card and got High and Dry. Civ. Conditional tracker and can make a post upon their death. I'll elaborate on it later.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:02 pm You can yeet me if you want. I can post (but maybe only once don't remember) after I'm dead too. Not that I would be helpful lol. =p
Also, we know Dizzy is a conditional tracker, but the detail there being the "make one post after you die" seals the deal.
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Clarifications :

I have previously mentioned that SPF should be outed 3p if Poison doesn't have the songs to pick from tonight. That is actually incorrect.

If our assumption of SPF being Magpie is correct, then she's always lock cleared. Truth is, if 3p had a visiting role, they probably DID actually visit Poison, but it's not SPF.

Again, whether Poison has the songs tomorrow or not doesn't matter for SPF's alignment as long as our assumption of her song is correct. 3P could be another person and SPF got caught in the crossfire, but as long as she's Magpie, it doesn't matter because of the point I've made about her.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:45 pm**

Well, I thought Nanook talked about why Odd is town but I couldn't find it. Maybe he will come back on. [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] if you're around please come and explain why you see Oddmerta is town. I thought you did already but couldn't find it in your ISO.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:47 pm**

Anyone else who can speak to why Oddmerta is town please speak up. [mention]tedxtr[/mention] you said there are reasons you know he is on Amnesiac. Maybe I asked this but let me ask again, can you share that with us? Sorry if you did and I missed it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:05 pm**

I'm reading through Oddmerta's posts. This one is interesting. It doesn't prove anything, its just food for thought. Could also be intentional misdirection. Replace "scum" with 3P, seems like the reasoning would be the same.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:12 pm There's this thing I like to do as scum, you enter the game knowing that sooner or later you are going to draw suspicion. It's inevitable and unavoidable. What you do is make yourself suspicious on purpose but in a way that you can defend, you choose the battlefield, you set the terms. This way you are less likely to face off against real suspicion, suspicion you are unprepared for, or when you do come up against it you've already set a precedent for clearing yourself

Once I said that "I am a cop". instead of saying "I am the cop" knowing that was what townoes would latch onto, covered myself against the immediate sus on me and was so convincing that I was killed by a rival scum faction that night

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:18 pm**

[mention]Oddmerta[/mention] please show us some of this (below). [mention]Poison Chan[/mention] you know Oddmerta, why is he not trying to help us solve?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:54 am Just ask Poison how good I am albeit slightly unorthodox

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:21 pm**

OK, I have to eat. I don't think there is anyone here to help me think about Oddmerta but maybe some people will show up.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:30 pm**

I've received a question about the role Lotus Flower:

Each Night you will identify a Radiohead album. If there is a song from that album associated with a non-civilian role in the game, you will be given a glimpse of that song’s role card.

This role was capable of identifying mafia roles AND the rogue's role.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:32 pm**

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine then

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:49 pm**

I really don't think Nanook is going to flip 3p and I don't really think Juliets is either. But given the confirmation of Herm's role I'd say that Herm is very likely to have cleared Oddmerta now.

That really only leaves Poison Chan.

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