Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Jackofhearts2005]

She poisoned the well by accusing me of a fake accusation against her just like in VH.

I had not yet accused her of doing anything.

So many technicalities and no sense. You've mentioned her as a candidate to be lynched 80 times. That is basically the same thing as [insert accusation here].

I don't understand you, Jackofhearts2005.

It’s cause I mumble sometimes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

She poisoned the well by accusing me of a fake accusation against her just like in VH.

I had not yet accused her of doing anything.

So many technicalities and no sense. You've mentioned her as a candidate to be lynched 80 times. That is basically the same thing as [insert accusation here].

I don't understand you, Jackofhearts2005.

It’s cause I mumble sometimes.

Some people have a tendency to see the trees instead of the forest. I think you have the tendency to see a single leaf.

[juliets]

I understand. Either I’m right or you misread my post.

If you’re scum, Juliets is scum. If you’re town, you really suspect Juliets too and maybe she’s scum.

Right so either way we lynch juliets

I like to call this “strategy.”

Tell me why juliets is bad without saying anything about Spacedaisy.

She poisoned the well by accusing me of a fake accusation against her just like in VH.

I had not yet accused her of doing anything.

Did you not see my response to that? I misread what you were saying about me. I told you I no longer see it as applicable.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I like juliets. I feel like she is involved more so than usual. I am not entirely sure why that would be but I don't think it is in a bad way and I don't really want to discourage it. I'd give her a light green skittle (if I had skittles to give).

Someone tell me this is not a fake read.

Is what MacDougall said about juliets at all accurate, or did he make up some b/s to justify calling her good?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]juliets[/mention]

I'd like to know how you feel about Jack, nutella, and Spacedaisy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

She poisoned the well by accusing me of a fake accusation against her just like in VH.

I had not yet accused her of doing anything.

So many technicalities and no sense. You've mentioned her as a candidate to be lynched 80 times. That is basically the same thing as [insert accusation here].

I don't understand you, Jackofhearts2005.

It’s cause I mumble sometimes.

Some people have a tendency to see the trees instead of the forest. I think you have the tendency to see a single leaf.

Why is Never a better lynch?

[Lunalee]

Hello friends. Four pages since yesterday evening, eh? Geez.

Donald it is!

Errr, or I would vote Donald, but I seem to be having the same trouble as others on page 1 - I can't vote! Alas.

Shit, I forgot I was playing! It's been too long.

I won't catch up now because I need to leave for trivia in like 10-20 minutes.

Who's suspicious, eh?

niju's posts are at the opposite end of the stiffness spectrum. Three exclamation marks. They're almost gratuitously loose.

Lynching a low-poster means ignoring all the good discussion we've had in the thread so far and going back to the day 0 game of analyzing how stiff or natural each person's check-in post felt. I don't really like that, and think we can do better.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why is Never a better lynch?

As I see it, the case is no weaker than the one against juliets. I am serious. Then consider how we may project the future of the game given each permutation:

1) civilian Neverwhere
2) mafia Neverwhere
3) civilian juliets
4) mafia juliets

#3 would be a significant loss. Eliminating #1 or #2 would have similar impacts upon the future thread pace and climate apart from the obvious difference in alignment. #4 would be lovely to eliminate if the case is there.

[Spacedaisy]

Actually you're the one who isnt trying to understand lol but whatever.

That’s complete bullshit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lynching a low-poster means ignoring all the good discussion we've had in the thread so far and going back to the day 0 game of analyzing how stiff or natural each person's check-in post felt. I don't really like that, and think we can do better.

What if the good discussion doesn't direct us to a good result? This happens all the time. I don't want to lynch nutella. I am waiting for someone to give me a good reason to lynch juliets. I am less inclined to lynch you than I was two hours ago. Here we stand. I refuse to grant immunity to people with fewer posts merely because it feels lame.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

juliets I need you to talk with me. I am very nearly out of time, and I will have no control over what happens in here after class starts.

[nutella]

Hello friends. Four pages since yesterday evening, eh? Geez.

Donald it is!

Errr, or I would vote Donald, but I seem to be having the same trouble as others on page 1 - I can't vote! Alas.

Shit, I forgot I was playing! It's been too long.

I won't catch up now because I need to leave for trivia in like 10-20 minutes.

Who's suspicious, eh?

niju's posts are at the opposite end of the stiffness spectrum. Three exclamation marks. They're almost gratuitously loose.

Lynching a low-poster means ignoring all the good discussion we've had in the thread so far and going back to the day 0 game of analyzing how stiff or natural each person's check-in post felt. I don't really like that, and think we can do better.

And yet I have yet to see you comment on almost any of this content to which you refer.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why is Never a better lynch?

As I see it, the case is no weaker than the one against juliets. I am serious. Then consider how we may project the future of the game given each permutation:

1) civilian Neverwhere
2) mafia Neverwhere
3) civilian juliets
4) mafia juliets

#3 would be a significant loss. Eliminating #1 or #2 would have similar impacts upon the future thread pace and climate apart from the obvious difference in alignment. #4 would be lovely to eliminate if the case is there.

What Never case? Or is that your point?

[nutella]

Actually you're the one who isnt trying to understand lol but whatever.

That’s complete bullshit.

You literally said in that post that you were giving up on trying. Anyway I find this a waste of time, what are your thoughts on Luna or Mac?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What Never case? Or is that your point?

I could make a vague, shitty case on Neverwhere.

I see a vague, shitty case on juliets.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Either way I don't even think nutella should be a wagon at present. Don't ask me why, or expect a vague answer.

juliets is forcing me to play defense for her, and I hate that. She can be a wagon alongside a preferred low-poster.

[nutella]

Either way I don't even think nutella should be a wagon at present. Don't ask me why, or expect a vague answer.

juliets is forcing me to play defense for her, and I hate that. She can be a wagon alongside a preferred low-poster.

Nobody with their vote on me besides juliets is around to move their vote so would you be so kind as to vote for juliets for now to help me out

[Epignosis]

The Day 1 lynch ends in less than one hour.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Everyone should also be mindful that this is a claim-friendly game. That doesn't mean you need to blab for no reason, but it does mean that you should keep the option in your tool belt. I would hate to see a needless lynch that could be prevented by a sound claim.

The concern would be the recent advent of soup-killing. Epi's rules do not mention such a thing (doesn't mean it doesn't exist), but it's also never something he has done before. Who knows.

[juliets]

juliets I need you to talk with me. I am very nearly out of time, and I will have no control over what happens in here after class starts.

Jay sorry I was doing something else. I think Daisy's reason for voting me is shit but I think it's because she has not played with me as much recently. I think Jack's theory about Daisy is shit because it's clear as day she wan't defending me. I think Daisy is town, I think Jack is bad. I've forgotten who the other person is you asked for my read on.

linki

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Either way I don't even think nutella should be a wagon at present. Don't ask me why, or expect a vague answer.

juliets is forcing me to play defense for her, and I hate that. She can be a wagon alongside a preferred low-poster.

Nobody with their vote on me besides juliets is around to move their vote so would you be so kind as to vote for juliets for now to help me out

We can get six votes on anyone.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

juliets I need you to talk with me. I am very nearly out of time, and I will have no control over what happens in here after class starts.

Jay sorry I was doing something else. I think Daisy's reason for voting me is shit but I think it's because she has not played with me as much recently. I think Jack's theory about Daisy is shit because it's clear as day she wan't defending me. I think Daisy is town, I think Jack is bad. I've forgotten who the other person is you asked for my read on.

linki

nutella. They're the three who've voted for you.

[juliets]

Ok I'm tired of all this. I am basically a stump. If I get killed in the night by the mafia I can't vote anymore but I can continue to post. If I'm lynched I'm dead.

[Long Con]

Ok, caught up from where I entered/last posted. IT's going to take my mind a couple of days to get involved, I think. I feel rusty right now. I have a couple of folks that I think are Civ, so I won't vote for them.

I do like JJJ's thoughts on Mac, and I'm going to vote for him. I also like the Mac-juliets connection with the "fake-sounding" light-green Skittle post.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

juliets I need you to talk with me. I am very nearly out of time, and I will have no control over what happens in here after class starts.

Jay sorry I was doing something else. I think Daisy's reason for voting me is shit but I think it's because she has not played with me as much recently. I think Jack's theory about Daisy is shit because it's clear as day she wan't defending me. I think Daisy is town, I think Jack is bad. I've forgotten who the other person is you asked for my read on.

linki

Don’t stress yourself. Jack’s “strategy” feels snakey to me and I won’t be voting you by the time this poll ends.

[Long Con]

Ok I'm tired of all this. I am basically a stump. If I get killed in the night by the mafia I can't vote anymore but I can continue to post. If I'm lynched I'm dead.

*sits on comfy Juliets stump*

[Spacedaisy]

Ok I'm tired of all this. I am basically a stump. If I get killed in the night by the mafia I can't vote anymore but I can continue to post. If I'm lynched I'm dead.

This was a good claim. I refine my earlier suspicion of your statement regarding claiming.

[Spacedaisy]

*rescind

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ok I'm tired of all this. I am basically a stump. If I get killed in the night by the mafia I can't vote anymore but I can continue to post. If I'm lynched I'm dead.

This at least meshes with the "seems harmful; under specific circumstances can be somewhat helpful" nature of my own role.

[juliets]

juliets I need you to talk with me. I am very nearly out of time, and I will have no control over what happens in here after class starts.

Jay sorry I was doing something else. I think Daisy's reason for voting me is shit but I think it's because she has not played with me as much recently. I think Jack's theory about Daisy is shit because it's clear as day she wan't defending me. I think Daisy is town, I think Jack is bad. I've forgotten who the other person is you asked for my read on.

linki

nutella. They're the three who've voted for you.

nutella is coming across less hostile than I read her yesterday and she has backed off thinking that silly post was me being bad. I'm ready to move off of her.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

have a couple of folks that I think are Civ, so I won't vote for them.

I'd love to know their names.

[Spacedaisy]

I need to figure out where I want to move my vote.

[Jackofhearts2005]

juliets I need you to talk with me. I am very nearly out of time, and I will have no control over what happens in here after class starts.

Jay sorry I was doing something else. I think Daisy's reason for voting me is shit but I think it's because she has not played with me as much recently. I think Jack's theory about Daisy is shit because it's clear as day she wan't defending me. I think Daisy is town, I think Jack is bad. I've forgotten who the other person is you asked for my read on.

linki

Don’t stress yourself. Jack’s “strategy” feels snakey to me and I won’t be voting you by the time this poll ends.

Noted.

[nutella]

Ok I'm tired of all this. I am basically a stump. If I get killed in the night by the mafia I can't vote anymore but I can continue to post. If I'm lynched I'm dead.

Ugh ok.

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

[juliets]

I need to figure out where I want to move my vote.

Me too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

With that claim in existence I will re-stress that care should be taken. Epi's first rule does issue a warning to those who may claim. It could just be his typical ominous style, it could be a soup kill, or it could be that he designed roles that don't clear people by virtue of being claimed (evidence exists for this one).

[nutella]

Ok, caught up from where I entered/last posted. IT's going to take my mind a couple of days to get involved, I think. I feel rusty right now. I have a couple of folks that I think are Civ, so I won't vote for them.

I do like JJJ's thoughts on Mac, and I'm going to vote for him. I also like the Mac-juliets connection with the "fake-sounding" light-green Skittle post.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Please actually vote

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[Matahari]

I’m placing my vote on Nutella for now, but I may switch to Luna in a few. I just didn’t want to miss the vote while I doublecheck stuff.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Go on and vote Mac, Daisy.

[nutella]

[mention]Matahari[/mention] hey no, uncool. You are behind the times as always.

[speedchuck]

The concern would be the recent advent of soup-killing. Epi's rules do not mention such a thing (doesn't mean it doesn't exist), but it's also never something he has done before. Who knows.

Soup-killing really only works in an open setup where the mafia/town have a list of roles to look at.

In a closed setup, Town can't fake claim to cover for each other and Mafia have shakily-defined terms to soupkill on. "Oh, you tried to soupkill Leetic as the cop, but he's actually an even-night cop. Too bad."

You also kinda have to build the roles around it. AND it only works with very limited role reveals, or mafia can just POE and kill everyone.

Soupkilling is not just another technique in the garage of mafia mechanics. It's almost another type of game, usually called 'Hunt', as seen in Tinyhunt, Credithunt, and Dersehunt.

In other words, we can practically guarantee that soupkilling is not in this game, at least not in any normal form.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m placing my vote on Nutella for now, but I may switch to Luna in a few. I just didn’t want to miss the vote while I doublecheck stuff.

I think you should vote Mac.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The concern would be the recent advent of soup-killing. Epi's rules do not mention such a thing (doesn't mean it doesn't exist), but it's also never something he has done before. Who knows.

Soup-killing really only works in an open setup where the mafia/town have a list of roles to look at.

In a closed setup, Town can't fake claim to cover for each other and Mafia have shakily-defined terms to soupkill on. "Oh, you tried to soupkill Leetic as the cop, but he's actually an even-night cop. Too bad."

You also kinda have to build the roles around it. AND it only works with very limited role reveals, or mafia can just POE and kill everyone.

Soupkilling is not just another technique in the garage of mafia mechanics. It's almost another type of game, usually called 'Hunt', as seen in Tinyhunt, Credithunt, and Dersehunt.

In other words, we can practically guarantee that soupkilling is not in this game, at least not in any normal form.

Good!

[Spacedaisy]

I have not felt Mac was bad. Like at all. I’d be more inclined to vote nutella, but I don’t see good reason for that either except for jumping on nova’s joke which I didn’t think she was serious about originally.

[speedchuck]

In other words, we can practically guarantee that soupkilling is not in this game, at least not in any normal form.

Good!

It would be hilarious if Epi somehow modified soup to work in a closed game, but
a. I don't even know how anyone would do that. Consider this a challenge to anyone.
b. This game went into sign-ups before Vault Hunt :P

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have not felt Mac was bad. Like at all. I’d be more inclined to vote nutella, but I don’t see good reason for that either except for jumping on nova’s joke which I didn’t think she was serious about originally.

*scribbles aggressively*

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have not felt Mac was bad. Like at all. I’d be more inclined to vote nutella, but I don’t see good reason for that either except for jumping on nova’s joke which I didn’t think she was serious about originally.

Talk to me about it:

What isn't genuine about his civilian reads? The DDL one was something prompted from their interactions, and felt like natural conversation especially considering its context (The Firefly game).

He wrote a novella to explain why he read DDL as a civilian. I don't believe that was necessary, and I don't believe that's how MacDougall operates. He was similar in his handling of dunya. He technically called me light green, but I haven't the faintest idea why -- his read on me doesn't exist. He said he liked juliets because she is "more involved than usual" (no she isn't?). He loved Kites for his big reads post, which is such an easy thing to say.

Bleh.

[nutella]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] please

[dunya]

you claimed at the right time, juliets. well done.