Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:45 am
<some analysis and reads list and stuff>
This all is still based on very little. Your very early with such detailed read list this time. This does not make you necessirily town. Mostly thin air imo.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:09 am
Sean's reads are really weird, but I appreciate the effort. I hope it moves up the game.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:56 am
This all is still based on very little. Your very early with such detailed read list this time. This does not make you necessirily town. Mostly thin air imo.
You complain about how slow the game is, state that you want us to work together to decide on an elim, but then when I actually put in the work to help town do just that (yes, off very little, but how exactly do you expect there to be "a lot" if people don't start with the little bit at the beginning of the game?), this is your response?
Nah.
[VOTE:
Belzy] aubergine
I would try to work together where I think I should. You seem to try too hard to look town. I want you to be town, because your reads have been the best in our past few games, but this time you make very early cases I fail to see anything I can engage or agree with.
Now you vote for me. I think you just wanna get rid of me. Is that it?
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:32 am
I'm liking Belzy so far since I think her reactions and general gameplay have been to move the game along and imo that continued focus is level 1 towny. So far I think Zenon looks the worst because she feels caught for the wrong reasons.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:08 am
This game is awfully slow. Only two posts during a football match I just watched.
Can we for once unite as town and win for a change?
1: Kate and MR poll thing is NAI, and move on.
2: decide on a lynch.
I feel like while the game started rather slow, it is clearly picking up. There is a lot of AI info from you, Zenon, MR, Ted, and SVS sitting in this last page. There also is probably enough AI info to get a good read on Lime.
I'mma summarize my thoughts in a minute, but I am a bit confused as to how you aren't seeing the game escalating, since you are one of the people that is in the thick of it.
So I am part of the escalation, but not moving it forward?
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:09 pm
Sean's case on me seems forced, but I don't want another d1 drama where we tunnel each other. So I willl decide eod1 on Sean, and spread my focus.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:18 pm
What is CWAC btw?
Contributing without actually contributing. Things like mech discussions and some other types of discussions make people "look helpful" without really actually doing that much to be helpful - or are things that people would have figured out regardless and so don't actually give a lot of benefit. Both town and scum do it, so it in-itself isn't really bad, but scum is slightly more incentivized to do it to get townread without actually doing pro-town things.
I consider your posts to me and Zenon about why MR and Kate were not on the poll to be CWAC.
Dude, I explained why it is NAI. You even thanked me for it, and you call it CWAC? Why are you being so damn unfair with me? Half the thread has done ssss-it and you expect me to contribute more than what's possible?
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:49 pm
by Master Radishes
Level 1 = Seanzie town.
The simplest explanation is that Belzy thought there was something logical to push with Seanzie's 'thin air' early readslist. The fact that she noticed 2 top posters in his bottom 3 shows she's actually reading it and thinking about it, which feels less likely if it's a nudge on a partner you know you don't plan to push very far. Seanzie's mildly sarcastic response to that is a good look too. Belzy sticks with it a little bit, then disentangles ("I don't want another D1 drama where we tunnel each other"), likely because she doesn't want to actually get sucked into a thunderdome situation that spirals out of her control or anything, whereas a partner distancing act would go harder and further to cement the distance. The last little frustrated snipe at Seanzie feels genuine, in the sense that she's unhappy with still being pushed when there are slanky slots, which should be easy mischop bait.
Phrases like "Sean's reads are really weird but I appreciate the effort", "I want you to be town", and "Sean's case on me seems forced, but I don't want another D1 drama where we tunnel each other" feel like scum talking to/about town.
If this was a high stakes game where people were tryharding, I'd maybe be less likely to find all this super clearing, but it definitely feels like Belzy is treating Seanzie as town here, IMO.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:50 pm
by Master Radishes
As ever I spend too much time mulling over thoughts, finding quotes, etc, and don't have time to do all I want to do.
If I have time I have more to pull out of Belzy's iso. We'll see if I get that done before EoD.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:00 pm
by tedxtr
happy birthday woogerz
seems like you'll be spending it in dvc :/
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:28 pm
by Master Radishes
An incomplete but representative selection of Belzy's posts on/to Robyn:
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:55 pm
what's ur read on me belzy
Null, because I cannot comprehend most of your posts.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:24 pm
Ted, Sean, Robyn, Lime and SVS are all in my poe along w/ the 4 bottom posters. That is way too many.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:20 am
I could see robyn as a wolf maybe, but I think ted more likely.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:21 pm
I could get on board with Robyn or Ted atp.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:14 pm
It would make sense i vote for Robyn to double the gap to Thunal, which i will if wagons are not changing. Robyn is however not my fave lynch, but def in my poe.
An incomplete but representative selection of Belzy's posts on/to Kate:
Kate looks townly, SVS null, Thunal townly, Lime null, MR null. I think Ted could be wolf. Wilg and Falcon are bottom posters, so null. I don't have many scumreads.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:29 pm
<snipped a bunch of analysis>
I am struggling to comprehend a real reason what makes Kate wolf here. Her vote on you... looking into Zenon voters... saying you're gonna slank... for a singular post... or just naked voting... okay, I wrote them down so I won't forget your reasons.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:22 pm
Kate is trending down for me, but I will see on d2.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:09 pm
I will judge Falcon, FS, Kate and MR on d2
This is mostly to establish a baseline of how Belzy treated now-known townies. She handled both very similarly, imo - very light-touch, just quickfire comments, generic judgements, keeping both as possibilities for current or future miselims but without pushing hard on either, that sort of thing.
Whether or not this is or will be useful, I don't know. But I find it helpful for myself.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:38 pm
by Master Radishes
Belzy x Ted
For me to stare at.
Does not include any voting patterns, which I want to look at too but may fall asleep instead.
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:41 am
OK, I just searched Belzys ISO for "ted" and her main reasons for voting him seem to be "I want more posts from ted".
Am I missing something? Is this just a pressure vote?
The main focus on Kate while we could not vote for her, to then self-press vote for me, wasn't a good look imo. It took Ted forever to do something else, like going after Epi. Which makes a slighty better look on Ted, but I still am not sold on Ted.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:21 pm
I could get on board with Robyn or Ted atp.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:45 pm
by Master Radishes
In general, that feels like an awful lot of shade thrown at Ted. I cut a bunch of repetitive bits as well where she harps on a bit about Ted scumreading Kate.
And I think it's worth noting that she starts the case up about midway through D1 and sticks with it for 24h or so.
It does sort of feel like she was at a juncture where she needed a case to push, found something minor she could nitpick, and took advantage of a relatively quiet first round to stick with it for awhile. Towards the end she leaves herself room to go either Robyn or Ted (or later Wilgy), which maybe suggests a lack of belief in her Ted case? But that might be stretching it a bit.
Regardless, the simplest interpretation is that she pushed Ted in the same way she pushed Seanzie and both are town.
Caveat: I want to try to piece together votes/wagons too, before settling on this read. Wolves definitely bus, and I think the way she lets her Ted push fade away towards the end *could* indicate a bus. This doesn't feel quite as convincing as not w/w as her interactions with Seanzie do, at least to my eye. So I want to do some more due diligence on this one. (Also, I've been wavering back and forth on Ted, myself, all game, because I have a high opinion of his abilities and don't want to let myself be fooled.)
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:14 pm
Because Belzy is town as fuck mainly
This isn't good enough for me.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:38 pm
But I've changed my mind on Belzy for now. I don't view that as a good vote. I'll move it later.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:51 pm
Through five pages and I'm clocking Seanzie and Belzy as civilians.
I felt pretty good about snapreading Epi town off of a single Belzy post, earlier, but mmmmm this feels less good. I think I can forgive it but am noting it for future MR just in case.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:52 pm
by DrWilgy
Meow wolf was really cool again. I feel that they were working in some limited space on this one so it was abit cramped, but everything that cramped up the place was super cool.
Lot of interaction and just amazing visuals. 7.5/10 would do again.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:00 pm
I was hoping my vote on Wilg did something, but since my vote Wilg has not posted anymore.
Robyn 4 and Ted [Thunal] 3 are still leading.
(Side note: I don't have the energy to go figure out the timing of what SVS noticed about her Thunal vote. Did Belzy just mix up Ted and Thunal? That would probably just spew both town, lol.)
Thunal later votes Wilgy, but the wagon goes nowhere else, and Thunal retracts, so...
Ffs I know what I'd say about Wilgy based on this but I'm not going to because I don't want to be made to look a fool again.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:10 pm
by Master Radishes
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:10 pm
Ffs I know what I'd say about Wilgy based on this but I'm not going to because I don't want to be made to look a fool again.
For posterity's sake this is not me trying to derail the Wilgy wagon. We're flipping him. Just either going to be annoyed at myself for being right, or annoyed at myself for being so hopelessly wrong.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:11 pm
by Thunal33
I think Belzy's spew generally is level 1 in some ways. She can and does distance with teammates and vote them, but when it comes to more in depth interactions like trying to convince someone or trying to discredit someone that person is likely town.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:13 pm
by Thunal33
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:11 pm
Insomn am I right calling out the Ladd Tell there or am I off on that?
What is the ladd tell?
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:14 pm
by Master Radishes
On a different note, I actually think there's room for Belzy/Ted to be partners in that. Like she votes him early when there's not really a wagon, switches off almost immediately, comes back later and rejoins, pushes a weak case, then allows herself an escape ramp onto Wilgy and later Robyn; by the last few hours she's not pushing Ted anymore despite her earlier conviction, just occasionally saying e.g. 'I could vote Ted, x, y'.
If Wilgy flips wolf it's a moot point. If Wilgy flips town I might revisit this for due diligence.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:15 pm
by Master Radishes
Fyi I don't know what the Ladd tell is either, so clearly this is not a very well known thing or LC is making it up.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:17 pm
by Master Radishes
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:11 pm
I think Belzy's spew generally is level 1 in some ways. She can and does distance with teammates and vote them, but when it comes to more in depth interactions like trying to convince someone or trying to discredit someone that person is likely town.
Are you speaking in general, i.e. based on previous games with her?
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:17 pm
by Master Radishes
On a completely different note, Lime Coke seems to be playing this game entirely in his own world and I think that's probably towny? Probably?
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:15 pm
A tinfoil I have is Belzy/Wilgy w/w. Belzy was doing a lot of talking about how she wanted to eliminate Wilgy after she switched back to robyn but wasn't really advocating for a CFD. These posts were after both her and myself switched to Robyn and they felt like she was putting on a show for the thread.
You give me allergies. If you survive day and night, and also post d2 like this, I will advocate your lynch.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:52 pm
For some reason it is hard to create a real wagon on Wilg.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:57 pm
Just calling a CFD on you.
Will you act like this on d2 also?
Last game I did the same w/moto. Also then i was not very vocal w/my CFD. I just give it attention and a vote.
If Wilgy flips wolf I found something that's a good look for Ted. I made this post as well as one just generally suspecting Belzy, and one proposing a Belzy/Wilgy/Ted team all at around the same time.
Belzy only reacted to the one calling her and Wilgy w/w. If Wilgy is wolf I think Belzy wanted to refute that her/Wilgy were w/w but paid no attention to refuting that her/Ted were w/w.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:11 pm
I think Belzy's spew generally is level 1 in some ways. She can and does distance with teammates and vote them, but when it comes to more in depth interactions like trying to convince someone or trying to discredit someone that person is likely town.
Are you speaking in general, i.e. based on previous games with her?
From what I remember yes. It is pretty outdated meta.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:19 pm
by tedxtr
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:14 pm
On a different note, I actually think there's room for Belzy/Ted to be partners in that. Like she votes him early when there's not really a wagon, switches off almost immediately, comes back later and rejoins, pushes a weak case, then allows herself an escape ramp onto Wilgy and later Robyn; by the last few hours she's not pushing Ted anymore despite her earlier conviction, just occasionally saying e.g. 'I could vote Ted, x, y'.
If Wilgy flips wolf it's a moot point. If Wilgy flips town I might revisit this for due diligence.
she tmi’d me villa by basically belittling my reasons for thinking kate was a wolf, while TMIng kate villa in the process of making me look bad
that’s not how w/w interactions go down
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:19 pm
by Master Radishes
^Agree, for my own reasoning (Belzy's voting pattern) that she is not partners with both Wilgy *and* Ted. If Wilgy is a wolf then Ted is town.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:14 pm
On a different note, I actually think there's room for Belzy/Ted to be partners in that. Like she votes him early when there's not really a wagon, switches off almost immediately, comes back later and rejoins, pushes a weak case, then allows herself an escape ramp onto Wilgy and later Robyn; by the last few hours she's not pushing Ted anymore despite her earlier conviction, just occasionally saying e.g. 'I could vote Ted, x, y'.
If Wilgy flips wolf it's a moot point. If Wilgy flips town I might revisit this for due diligence.
she tmi’d me villa by basically belittling my reasons for thinking kate was a wolf, while TMIng kate villa in the process of making me look bad
that’s not how w/w interactions go down
I already came to that conclusion, kinda, based on general spew analysis. I just mean specifically her voting pattern, in a vacuum, is more possibly partner indicative.
I'm still calling you town. Just less convincingly then others.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:24 pm
by Master Radishes
I think I'll just go to bed now. Too tired to think on any of this further.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:26 pm
by Thunal33
I agree with a lot of MR's spew takes today. I had a tinfoil on Ted as well but I think he's probably town.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:45 pm
by S~V~S
I think Sean, Epi, Ted, Thunal are def town.
Splints, Radishes and LC also prolly town.
For all her arguing with Wilgy that he’s not bad, PA as well.
I read and reread today and I have no reason to find Falcon town.
Good luck in the nights guys, and Wilgy glad you had fun. It sounds amazing!
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:00 pm
by Roxy
Trivia Time
Who is Zoe's best friend besides Elmo?
Answer by PM on The Syndicate, first and second correct answer wins!
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:00 pm
by Roxy
Well done! You just gave murderous primitives the power of fire!
Land of the Lost - Marshall, Will and Holly on a routine expedition met the greatest earthquake ever known. High on the rapids it struck their raft and plunged them down a thousand feet below to the Land Of The Lost. They took a journey back in time through this incredible world of breathtaking wonder, pulse-pounding danger.
The town has done it again! Welcome to Night 3.
Wigly was bad!
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Night 3
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:08 pm
by Roxy
I have my winners!
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:02 pm
by Roxy
Other than the fly we're good...
Count Von Count helped count his way to safety.
Elmo hugged his friend.
Then everyone sang lovely song and went home.
No one died. Welcome to Day 4.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:05 pm
by Master Radishes
[VOTE:
Falcon] aubergine
Yeesh.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:05 pm
by Roxy
Hammer in effect, it will take 6.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 1
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:05 pm
by tedxtr
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:00 am
im fine with voting wilgy / belzy today
I'm not going to overthink anything this round, for once.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:15 pm
by Epignosis
I'll wait to hear from SV.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:19 pm
by tedxtr
[VOTE:
falcon ] aubergine
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:28 pm
by S~V~S
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:15 pm
I'll wait to hear from SV.
OMG stop
I said yesterday I can’t find a reason to find Falcon town. I still can’t.
If other people do I hope to hear from them.
We have a hammer but votes aren’t locked are they? @Roxy
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:38 pm
by Thunal33
Tbh now I I think it very well could be Falcon. At first I thought Wilgy actually didn't mind dying but when he was wagoned he did return and make some effort to tell people he was town. It was probably more defeated wolf than self sacrificing wolf.
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:39 pm
by falcon45ca
Howdy folks, what I miss?
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:47 pm
by tedxtr
Gg?
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:47 pm
by Seanzie
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:39 pm
Howdy folks, what I miss?
You are a consensus scumread, and there is a hammer.
You may die soon. Do you have any legacy thoughts?
Re: Sesame Street Mafia Day 4
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:48 pm
by S~V~S
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:39 pm
Howdy folks, what I miss?